Bloggers sniff out anti-Palin astroturf campaign– and the cover-up begins Updated with Ethan Winner response

By Michelle Malkin  •  September 22, 2008 04:44 AM

Scroll down for updates…Response from Ethan Winner


Follow the disappearing YouTube account…

The blogosphere is doing the job the MSM thinks no one else can do.

A collaborative investigative effort by our friends at The Jawa Report to expose an apparently astroturfed, anti-Sarah Palin smear campaign seems to have caused late-night panic in Barack Obama-linked p.r. circles. The bloggers digging into the provenance of anti-Sarah Palin smears on the web got results last night/early this morning while most elite journalists were still in their pajamas sleeping.

First, read this. Read the whole thing. Rusty Shackleford — with help from Jane of Armies of Liberation, Stable Hand, the Jawa team, Dan Riehl, Ace of Spades, and Patterico – traced a Palin-bashing YouTube video to a Democrat public relations firm, Winner and Associates, and one of its employees, Ethan S. Winner. They believe the voiceover for the ad — which spreads the lie that Sarah Palin belonged to a fringe third party, the Alaska Independence Party — was done by a professional whose voice they believe was also featured in several Obama ads and other spots produced by Obama top strategist and astroturfer extraordinaire David Axelrod’s firm.

The Jawa Report’s bottom line:

While not conclusive, evidence suggests a link to the Barack Obama campaign. Namely:

* Evidence suggests that a YouTube video with false claims about Palin was uploaded and promoted by members of a professional PR firm.

* The family that runs the PR firm has extensive ties to the Democratic Party, the netroots, and are staunch Obama supporters.

* Evidence suggests that the firm engaged in a concerted effort to distribute the video in such a way that it would appear to have gone viral on its own. Yet this effort took place on company time.

* Evidence suggests that these distribution efforts included actions by at least one employee of the firm who is unconnected with the family running the company.

* The voice-over artist used in this supposedly amateur video is a professional.

* This same voice-over artist has worked extensively with David Axelrod’s firm, which has a history of engaging in phony grassroots efforts, otherwise known as “astroturfing.”

* David Axelrod is Barack Obama’s chief media strategist.

* The same voice-over artist has worked directly for the Barack Obama campaign.

This suggests that false rumors and outright lies about Sarah Palin and John McCain being spread on the internet are being orchestrated by political partisans and are not an organic grassroots phenomenon led by the left wing fringe.

Now, here’s the juicy part. Within an hour of publication of the Jawa Report’s investigation, “eswinner” deleted the smear video that he had uploaded several times on September 11. Here’s a screenshot of the cached copy:

Let me underline that: At some point between approx. 12 midnight – 2am Eastern, “eswinner” logged into his account and tried to erase all traces of the deceitful, Palin-bashing ad.

And at 4:26am Eastern, here’s the message that appeared when attempting to view “eswinner’s” previously accessible account:

That was fast.

“Eswinner” didn’t just delete the Palin/AIP smear ad and his entire account. A related YouTube account, “Gocamerica,” that was spreading the lie has now also tried covering its tracks and has been closed. Ace and Dan Riehl are tracking the cover-up.

The Jawas, who have been at the vanguard of smoking out jihadis on the web, of course saved the video and all relevant websites.

Rusty wonders:

“If ‘eswinner’ isn’t Ethan Winner of the Publicis Groupe, then why did “eswinner” yank the video so quickly? Or if this was just an innocent homemade ad, then what does he have to hide? You’d think he’d want more attention for it.”

Indeed. Here it is, captured by a quick-thinking watchdog and reposted on YouTube.

I highly doubt “eswinner” will dare to send a takedown notice and reveal himself — and the lawyers and money behind him.

But it’s only a matter of time before the truth comes out.

Stay tuned.

***

Update: Patterico on the cover-up…

In the criminal law business, we call evidence like that “consciousness of guilt.”

There needs to be follow-up to this story. The connection to the Winners and their PR firm is solid. The evidence tying in Axelrod and Obama is circumstantial but suggestive. The lightning-quick cover-up goes a long way towards convincing me. Now the baton needs to be passed to a media organization that can demand answers from the parties involved, who are unlikely to respond to a bunch of bloggers.

Update: Ethan Winner has responded.

September 22, 2008

1:30 pm PDT

Statement of Ethan Winner

The following is in response to questions I have received regarding the post on the Jawa Report website.

I produced and posted on the Internet the video entitled “Sarah Palin: A Heartbeat Away.”

The idea for the video was mine. No one paid me to produce it. The only out-of-pocket cost will be the fee for the voice-over narrator, which I will pay personally when I receive an invoice. Contrary to the allegation in the Jawa Report, the voice-over artist has never done any work for the Obama campaign. I retained her through a talent agency based solely on the quality of her voice.

Neither the Obama campaign nor any independent political action committee has had a connection with the making and/or posting of this video. Just like the thousands of Americans who have posted videos on the Internet regarding the current Presidential campaign, I produced this video as an expression of my right to free speech, which is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

I believe the American people have a right and a need to know information about candidates for political office and their views. I made this video because I think it is important for the public to be aware of the association between Sarah and Todd Palin and the Alaskan Independence Party. The New York Times has reported that the Alaskan Independence Party website describes the party as seeking, in the words of the party, “a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority,” including “advocacy for state’s rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska.”

While a number of media outlets have said that reports that Sarah Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party may have been erroneous, her attendance at the party’s 1994 convention, her video speech to the 2008 convention and her husband’s membership in the Alaskan Independence Party have not been called into question.

Some people have asked why I have pulled the video from the Internet. The reason is simple. Following the posting of personal information about me by the Jawa Report, my family began to receive threatening and abusive phone calls and emails.

Rusty Shackleford’s response:

Do I find his response hard to believe. Yes I do. I would especially note the carefully crafted future tense usage for when he will pay the voice over artist.

It’s almost …. Clintonesque.

So, he produces the video. He pays for the video production — out of his own pocket. He then posts it to YouTube using multiple phony identities.

Then he gets his friends at one of the largest PR firms in the world to post it on the internet, to suggest to others that they pass it on, and spend company time defending the outright lies in the video — all for free?

And the multimillionaire who is President of the firm also spends his free time defending the lies on his “homemade” — yet professionally voiced over — video?

Hey Ethan, with that business savvy no wonder you were forced to rent out the family yacht! Maybe it’s time to also get rid of those courtside seats.

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Comments


  1. #463746
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:03 am, DBNinKY said:

    Oops!”…they [will] have shown themselves to be.”

  2. #463747
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On September 22nd, 2008 at 9:47 am, mojoe said:

    On September 22nd, 2008 at 9:19 am, 30 pcs of silver said:
    Michelle has access to a major news network; in addition, to her columns for major newspapers. All is not lost.

    I hope you’re right 30, but it is discouraging.

    What worries me is that the largest voting segment, senior citizens, still rely on most of their news from the alphabet networks and newspapers. When I ask my parents (who idealogically are somewhere to the right of Archie Bunker) about political issues they parrot what they hear from the MSM.

    I’ve tried to get them online, but their VCR is still blinking 12:00 (if you know what I mean).

    I know what you mean but it pains me to learn that so many of my fellow conservatives are dejected. This is what they (the other side) wants. Chin up. All is not lost.

  3. #463749
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:05 am, bear1909 said:

    The Dhimmicrats are imploding. They read Dan Rather’s book on how to be an inflammed posterior portal in order to turn an election.

    Look where it got Ol Dan. ROFLMAO

  4. #463752
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 am, franksalterego said:

    On September 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 am, lgm said:

    Huff&puff doesn’t change the fact that there is truth in the allegation. Palin did make a very warm video for this anti-American organization. Her husband was a member.

    Advocating “States Rights” doesn’t make an organization “Anti-American”

    Just the opposite.

    It makes them as American as Apple Pie.

    All states have the right to sovereignty…Or, didn’t you know that?

  5. #463754
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 am, swmbo said:

    Hey 30, I’m a fellowette conservative and I’m not dejected. Mr. SWMBO says I wear rose colored glasses, but I’ve always felt good guys win in the end.

    I like white hats, and the people who wear them.

  6. #463759
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    Good work by the Jawa folks.

    I hope this makes it into a syndicated article Michelle. It really needs to get out there.

  7. #463761
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 am, Misscheryl said:

    The marxists have awakened the sleeping giants! I agree with swmbo and 30, good will rule the day and whoever rules the day, makes the rules.

  8. #463762
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 am, Misscheryl said:

    correction: “goodness” oooppsss

  9. #463764
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:17 am, lgm said:

    franksalterego asked (#65):

    I’m governor Sarah Palin, and I am delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaskan Independance Party Convention.

    Would someone be so kind as to point out, what’s wrong with this?

    It’s an anti-American organization. Watch the video.

  10. #463766
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 am, ajmontana said:

    factcheck.org just busted Odopey on his latest ad…..

    It’s Killin em and
    I Love it!!!

    McCain/Palin 08′
    Image: expect the puppets to mimic this BS. 8)

  11. #463767
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 am, franksalterego said:

    As far as my #65 comment…

    Forget it,

    I followed a few links – what I should’ve done first, and seen the WHOLE uncut video.

    Much different, than what is implied in the smear-video.

  12. #463769
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 am, Goldwater Knight said:

    It’s an anti-American organization. Watch the video

    More anti-America than yourself lgm?

  13. #463770
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 am, travlinman said:

    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 am, franksalterego said:

    Advocating “States Rights” doesn’t make an organization “Anti-American”

    Just the opposite.

    It makes them as American as Apple Pie.

    All states have the right to sovereignty…Or, didn’t you know that?

    Well said. Maybe we need to adopt the AIP movement in every state and assert our constitutional position of getting the states back into control of their own destinies. Federal powers were purposely limited in the U.S. Constitution for good reason. We are seeing proof of that every day. One would think that an esteemed law professor like BHO would have known that.

  14. #463774
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:22 am, GladzKravtz said:

    mojoe, I’m with you, and re: Eye’s glazing over;
    Besides the people who will vote dem even if satan were their candidate, I believe the internet maze is still over many heads and to them, this sleuthing is TMI. It will be some time before the sleuth bloggers become main stream and I worry about how far the Fairness Doctrine will reach. Laws need to be updated. I got one of those blank stares recently from a law student when I asked her about what was being taught in law schools about ‘internet laws’. I hope it was just her….she was going into community advocacy…grrrreat…

  15. #463778
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:24 am, WarEagle82 said:

    And they claim McCain is internet afflicted. Obama’s minions must be truly, truly stupid to think people aren’t watching them and to not understand that the web leaves trails that can be difficult to erase.

    Expect another big “yawn” from the MSM. Charlie Gibson is too busy dreaming up his next “gotcha” question for Sarah to worry about investigating this stuff.

  16. #463780
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:25 am, DBNinKY said:

    The Great Equivocator, LGM moans:

    It’s an anti-American organization.

    That’s quite pithy for someone who routinely comes here to defend every piece of anti-American trash on the planet! To borrow from the late, great Benny Hill: LGM, you’re full of pith.

  17. #463782
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:26 am, travlinman said:

    Keep up the good work kids. I have to head into the office for afternoon meetings. Never let the lying socialists have a moment’s rest. They are scurrilous when at their best. We are seeing their worst. Remember, the light of truth will disperse even the most brazen of cockroaches.

  18. #463784
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:27 am, franksalterego said:

    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:17 am, lgm said:

    It’s an anti-American organization. Watch the video.

    Is there something “Anti-American” about asking for a vote on an issue?

    If you think there is, I’d suggest you move someplace, where you don’t get that option.

  19. #463786
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:28 am, sonofdy said:

    LGM: How many times do I have to post this?

    http://www.akip.org/platform.html

    Platform
    We pledge to exert our best efforts to accomplish the following:

    1/ To effect full compliance with the constitutions of the United States of America and the State of Alaska.

  20. #463788
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:30 am, letget said:

    Thanks Michelle and all who are on top of this issue. I knew with all the blog brains out there, these people would be found. Good Monday news.
    L

  21. #463789
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:30 am, jsr said:

    This is what you get with the Chicago Political Machine. Where is Mike Royko when you need him?

    If Mike Royko was still around Sen. Hope and Change would never had made it out of the Illinois legislature. Nobody was better at exposing and humiliating Chicago’s corrupt, inept political class of which Obama is a card carrying member. Man do I miss him!

  22. #463790
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 am, vickisoup said:

    Ethan & Charles Winner, now there’s a couple of real cyber-geniuses. I mean, can’t we imagine, with some certainty, that these two were among those who were howling with laughter, besmirching Sarah Palin for thinking her Yahoo e-mail would be private, because it’s so easy to hack?
    Tracking doesn’t get much easier than using your own first initial(s) and last name, now, does it?
    Idiots. :roll:

  23. #463791
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 am, Jim M. said:

    A similar smear against Hillary got swept under the rug during the primaries:

    http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Hillary_1984_ad_creator_lived_with_0323.html

    “Anti-Hillary ‘1984′ ad creator once lived with Obama spokesman Michael Roston
    Published: Friday March 23, 2007

    The creator of the viral “Hillary 1984″ video that sparked controversy between the presidential campaigns of Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama at one time lived with at least one member of Obama’s staff. A photograph obtained by RAW STORY showing former Blue State Digital consultant Phil De Vellis with current Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt conflicted with a claim by Senator Obama that his campaign had “no way of knowing who this person was.”…”

    Now, the first time this happened the MSM gave Obama a pass and bought the line that he was not aware of it. But what we have here is a clear pattern of intentional deception linked directly to Obama. If the MSM ignores this, they will be outed not only as partisan, but as STUPID. They might be willing to live with the “partisan” tag, but liberals hate being labeled as stupid.

    And frankly, if they didn’t know it before, this is clear evidence that they have been USED. And again, they don’t like to be seen as having been duped and used as “useful idiots”. If their credibility was not at stake before (it was all but gone with the right), it is on the line now. One of them will break and run a story at how they were taken in by dirty tricks. And when one breaks, the rest will follow.

  24. #463794
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 am, Marshall Russ said:

    I heard Mike “the Barnacle” on Imus this morning say,”If the Democrats can’t win this time they should start selling aluminum siding”. We need to help them out.A lot of republicans stayed home in 2006 to teach republicans a lesson. The problem is, is that it came back on us. The leadership in the House and Senate went to the Democrats. Along with all the committee chairmanships which is where the power in congress is. The Dems were so bent on losing the war in Iraq they ignored the dark clouds on the horizon.
    Bush and McCain, in 2005, tried to push through reform but, were blocked by the Democrats and some liberal Republicans. After the 2006 election forget any reform getting through. Even if late coming reform would have helped the country, Bush derangement was the order of the day.

  25. #463796
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:37 am, Marshall Russ said:

    In Congress were the oversight is. Leadership matters. Even if it’s weak leadership. We can’t stay home this time.

  26. #463802
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:39 am, bear1909 said:

    …. and Hell followed with him.

  27. #463803
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:41 am, franksalterego said:

    So, lemme’ see if I got this straight…

    “LGM” thinks, the AIP is “anti-american”

    Obviously, “LGM” has never been to Chicago, and seen politics played the way THEY do it.

    He’s never seen Aldermen going to public places handing out cash for votes…He’s never been someplace, you can pay your way out of a traffic ticket.

    If “LGM” wants to see REAL “anti-americanism” and corruption, he should take a trip to Chicago.

  28. #463804
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:41 am, vickisoup said:

    Good word, Marshall Russ.

  29. #463805
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:41 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 am, swmbo said:
    Hey 30, I’m a fellowette conservative and I’m not dejected. Mr. SWMBO says I wear rose colored glasses, but I’ve always felt good guys win in the end.

    I like white hats, and the people who wear them.

    Glad to hear it! Agreed.

  30. #463806
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:44 am, Dan Lee said:

    LGM Wrote in #82:

    It’s an anti-American organization. Watch the video.

    Even if that were true, the whole Democratic party is Anti-American, so go clean up your own feces lgm, before pointing the finger at anyone else.

    Lastly, I think this is a waste of time to spend too much energy one. The public knows at this point that Obama’s is Campaigning against Sarah Palin, George Bush, & Rush Limbaugh. Such fearful & pathetic little creatures they are.

    Never in my lifetime have I see such a vile & dishonest bunch of people involved in a Political campaign, but the bottom line, is that they are on the wrong side of God, & they will eventually get what they deserve.

    We just need to make sure people continue to hear about the fact that Obama has no problem with letting a baby who’s survived abortion, die in a bucket on the floor, just to be true to the abortionist cause.

  31. #463807
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:47 am, Bruce said:

    Keep in mind The ONE’s oft made comment…

    “I do not intend to lose this election!”

    Do we have to guess just how these cretins intend to assure that happens?

  32. #463808
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:48 am, CO2 Producer said:

    The videos and other activity started disappearing only an hour after Jawa posted the story in the middle of the night. Obvious question: Is eswinner a Jawa, Patterico, Ace, RWV, etc. devotee?

  33. #463810
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:50 am, TxSkirt said:

    Just because an organization wants to leave the US of A doesn’t necessarily mean they are anti-American, it may mean they are pro-Alaskan. When the suits in Washington start hammering away at the “evil” oil producers, more than a few fair minded Texans start rumbling about leaving the bastards behind and doing our own thing. I don’t see what the big deal is. Half of Hollywood swears that they are moving to Canada if McCain is elected. How is that any different?

  34. #463815
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:52 am, bear1909 said:

    lgm is so left. lol

    the left is always squawking about constitutionality and rule of law. yet, they dont understand it as a document that limits federal power in relationship to the states.

    the anarcho-marxist national socialist bile that runs in the veins of the Left is as unconstitutional, and therefore un-American, as it gets.

    Bear1909 out.

  35. #463817
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:52 am, K2 said:

    What surprises me the most is that lgm thinks the AK group is anti-American, but not Obama.

    I suppose it is okay for Obama to ‘look the other way’ as his supporters do the dirty work so he can become POTUS.

    And, once in office he, with his corrupt socialist supporters will destroy the country which provides the very freedoms they currently abuse.

    Hope his supporters realize Castro also imprisoned some of those who helped bring him into power.

    Do I think Obama is this scary? Yes. No Doubt.

  36. #463822
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:57 am, johnsteele said:

    Of course if the MSM were to actually do their freaking job this kind of investigation wouldn’t be necessary; Obama would have long been a none-too-amusing footnote in the history of American politics.

  37. #463829
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 am, Marshall Russ said:

    Thank you vickisoup.

  38. #463833
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 am, Socky said:

    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 am, franksalterego said:

    Advocating “States Rights” doesn’t make an organization “Anti-American”

    Just the opposite.

    It makes them as American as Apple Pie.

    All states have the right to sovereignty…Or, didn’t you know that?

    Damn right! And the citizens of the United States have the sovereign right to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

    Why are liberals like lgm so gobsmacked when people exercise their constitutional rights?

  39. #463836
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 11:02 am, MtsEdge said:

    Advocating “States Rights” doesn’t make an organization “Anti-American”

    Just the opposite.

    It makes them as American as Apple Pie.

    All states have the right to sovereignty…Or, didn’t you know that?

    franksalterego, Thank You!! :)

    And let us not forget that that is the PRIMARY reason we have a Second Amendment to our Constitution!

  40. #463851
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 11:13 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    … so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith;

    2 Timothy 3:8

    Thank you, Jesus, that men of corrupt minds are being exposed!

  41. #463868
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 11:23 am, powerpro said:

    OT:

    Looks like the dead have an unquenchable desire to vote in the election this year…courtesy of our friends at ACORN:

    http://www.capitalresearch.org/blog/?p=440

    PS…that picture of the tomb with the “I Voted” sticker is priceless.

  42. #463871
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 11:25 am, shanimal said:

    One potential issue that could block an investigation. Doesn’t google own youtube? The leftists at google probably have destroyed all evidence about the poster of that video. Down the memory hole!

  43. #463895
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 11:43 am, fulldroolcup said:

    lgm keeps saying he’s a teacher. so here it is a Monday morning, and he’s posting at 9:32 and 10:17.

    Wasn’t he writing here the other day about how Palin shouldn’t have been using her private email to do public business.

    Well, in this case lgm is taking time off his taxpayer-supported job to post on MM.

    And please, lgm: don’t come back saying you teach at a private school. Manifestly you are far too stupid to hold such a job. In any case even private employers don’t like their employees screwing around on the net for entertainment purposes during working hours.

    What a turd.

  44. #463908
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 11:48 am, CJ said:

    What worries me is that the largest voting segment, senior citizens, still rely on most of their news from the alphabet networks and newspapers. When I ask my parents (who idealogically are somewhere to the right of Archie Bunker) about political issues they parrot what they hear from the MSM.

    Several years ago, I ordered the national (weekly) version of the Washington Times for my step-father. He loves to relax in the evening with a newspaper (even at 84, he still does a lot of manual labor), but was disgusted by the reporting in their Local Liberal Rag.

    It’s a great (and easy!) gift idea for the older relative/friend who is not Internet savvy. My step-father loves the paper and has canceled the Local Liberal Rag. (And I think he gets a certain pleasure out of telling the LLR what he thinks of their paper every time they call asking him to come back.) I renew his WT subscription for him every year at Christmas.

  45. #463919
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 11:56 am, MtsEdge said:

    no wonder conservatives don’t want to put McCain/Palin bumper stickers on their cars – all they serve to do is to place a big “vandalize me” sticker on your car which the libs are only too eager to accomodate.

    Better not do it @ our house…protected by Smith & Wesson (actually Desert Eagle & Ruger).

  46. #463923
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 11:56 am, Dimsdale said:

    On September 22nd, 2008 at 10:17 am, lgm said:

    franksalterego asked (#65):

    I’m governor Sarah Palin, and I am delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaskan Independance Party Convention.

    Would someone be so kind as to point out, what’s wrong with this?

    It’s an anti-American organization. Watch the video.

    Suppression of Constitutionally guaranteed state’s rights is anti-American.

    Rumormongering (or is it “rumormongerering?” LOL!)) like this is despicable and vile, to use the terms of one presidential candidate. It is indefensible, and even lgm apparently won’t take a stab at it. Nice party you have there, lgm.

    Posting anti terrorism secrets is anti American though, so I guess we should prosecute the NYTImes…

    lgm’s basic argument: “yeah, but….”

    lgm, we aren’t laughing with you, we are laughing at you. Howls of derisive laughter, at that.

  47. #463926
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 11:57 am, mojo said:

    As a Concerned Christian, I have to protest your witch hunt against Winner & Associates…

  48. #463933
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 12:00 pm, thirteen28 said:

    There needs to be follow-up to this story. The connection to the Winners and their PR firm is solid. The evidence tying in Axelrod and Obama is circumstantial but suggestive. The lightning-quick cover-up goes a long way towards convincing me. Now the baton needs to be passed to a media organization that can demand answers from the parties involved, who are unlikely to respond to a bunch of bloggers.

    Oh, we can dream, can’t we. You know the MSM won’t pick up on this, and even many supposedly conservative media outlets like NRO and The Weekly Standard will keep this at arms length just like they did with the whole Scott Beauchamp/TNR debacle. Can’t criticize their liberal buddies now. I’d love to see this thing get wider coverage, but unless we can get Rush or Drudge (or both) on it, I have a feeling it will be limited to the conservative blogospher.

    Hoping I’m wrong.

  49. #463947
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 12:06 pm, Socky said:

    I am thinking a hard leftist like lgm would deny that Alaskans have any legitimate grievances with the FedGov.

    After all, the Federal Government only exercises sovereignty over 80+% of their state and refuses to allow Alaskans the right to develop their own natural resources.

    All of which is done in the name of collectivism and radical environmentalism… which lgm is cool with. Therefore, to him, the grievances of the AIP are not legitimate.

  50. #463950
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 12:08 pm, mojoe said:

    On September 22nd, 2008 at 11:57 am, mojo said:
    As a Concerned Christian, I have to protest your witch hunt against Winner & Associates…

    I am not affiliated with this commenter.

    Is this sarcasm or idiocy?

  51. #463973
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 12:18 pm, nativeaz08 said:

    I sent the information to JD Hayworth who is on the air from 4 pm to 6 pm. I’m sure Rush already received the information.

    Two can play this game. I also sent it to the 60 people in my email list and asked them to pass it on.

    I don’t think this story is going to go away … at least, not if I can help it! :-)

  52. #463974
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 12:18 pm, emjem24 said:

    It’s always easier to create the smear then it is to erase it when it’s proven false.

    Why the concerted cover-up? What’s Obummer so ashamed of?

  53. #463982
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 12:24 pm, MtsEdge said:

    There has not been a conservative politician since Ronald Reagan who was hated so much by libs. Like the attacks on Gov. Palin, the attacks on Reagan contained breathtaking irony, e.g., Hollywood actors complaining that he was “stupid”–followed up by their pals (outside Hollywood, of course) saying he was a “dumb actor”…who just happened to have revitalized our economy, freed the hostages from Tehran, and won the Cold War without firing a shot, to name just a few of his accomplishments that come to mind.

    The irony here is again breathtaking, that an accomplished, successful, beautiful, wife & mother, who has God, guts, and guns, is being attacked by those who claim they have ONLY wanted women to claim their rightful place in society…so much for THAT theory. :roll:

    We have proudly displayed our McCain/Palin sign in our front yard. The local townies have had their Obama signs out for weeks now…

  54. #463993
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 pm, sandyb said:

    On September 22nd, 2008 at 9:11 am, mojoe said:
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 6:27 am, fighterDC said:

    I’m getting the reputation as “angry political guy” where I work, and I see people’s eyes glaze over when I try to tell them what’s really going on.

    I hear ya. My immediate family thinks I’m nuts. When I speak to family members in other states and mention their elected officials and their shenanigans, they change the subject pronto.

    I have two neighbors who actually “get it,” but don’t really keep up with all the details. It’s “eyes wide shut” time everywhere and it’s worrisome — to put it mildly.

    If it weren’t for MM providing the opportunity to vent, I fear I would lose it.

  55. #463994
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 12:34 pm, Elizabetty said:

    I am begining to think Ole Barack must not like women very much. Michelle Obama worships him so she is okay, but he sure is nasty to the rest.

  56. #463999
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 12:38 pm, nlebou said:

    Rush Limbaugh was just saying that SNL had a skit about Todd Palin having sex with his daughters. Has anyone else heard that? That is way over the line even for SNL.

  57. #464011
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 12:44 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    nlebou said:

    Rush Limbaugh was just saying that SNL had a skit about Todd Palin having sex with his daughters. Has anyone else heard that? That is way over the line even for SNL.

    It’s been socially normalized because it’s a liberal saying it about a conservative. The public is desensitized to it; there’s no outrage.

  58. #464012
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 pm, HotWeaver said:

    As a Concerned Christian, I have to protest your witch hunt against Winner & Associates…

    What, another Illinois organization whining online?
    “Concerned Christian Americans … Wauconda, IL”
    :-)

  59. #464025
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I am begining to think Ole Barack must not like women very much. Michelle Obama worships him so she is okay, but he sure is nasty to the rest.

    Worships him? Maybe, but my guess is daily whippings make the campaign trail (and living in Springfield while wifey and the kids live in Chicago) makes life more tolerable…but he lets his anger out on the other women in the world…

  60. #464033
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 1:03 pm, nativeaz08 said:

    The story made it onto National Review Online. It should reach WSJ and Fox News at some point. The McCain campaign can then comment on it, at which point the MSM can’t ignore it any longer.

  61. #464037
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 1:05 pm, Dan Lee said:

    CNN just got in on the smear act with an article about Rape Victims that had to pay for their own rape exams in Wasilla while Palin was Mayor..

    CNN/MSNBC merger anyone?

    Of course to their chagrin, they are forced to admit in the article that there’s no evidence she even knew about it. They just hope that most people will read the dubious & puposely misleading headline:

    Palin’s town charged women for rape exams

    CNN editors = immoral charlatans

  62. #464042
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 1:07 pm, Dan Lee said:
  63. #464053
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 1:13 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Ben Ferguson on WREC 600 in Memphis was talking about the Sarah Palin SNL skit this morning, and el Rushbo brought it up during the first hour.

    I heard the skit and can say that the average family has had visits from CPS for less that what the skit portrayed.

    If a doctor, nurse, teacher, etc even suspects for one minute that there is any form of abuse going on; they will be calling CPS and you get a knock on the door.

    GSP

  64. #464069
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 pm, lgm said:

    Palin cannot keep the anti-America organization from meeting. It’s a free country. But she doesn’t have to be delighted to welcome them either.

  65. #464088
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 1:46 pm, flenser said:

    Huff&puff doesn’t change the fact that there is truth in the allegation.

    Sounds like “fake but accurate” is the last refuge of the left once again.

    I could say that “there is truth” in the allegation that Obama is a Muslim.

  66. #464089
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 1:46 pm, hatfield said:

    If that cretin lgm is really a teacher, I hate to think what he is stuffing into the kids heads.

  67. #464091
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 1:47 pm, flenser said:

    Palin cannot keep the anti-America organization from meeting.

    It’;s not an “anti-America organization”, you retard.

    If you want to see an anti-America organization, take at look at Obama’s church.

  68. #464095
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 1:49 pm, flenser said:

    The McCain campaign can then comment on it, at which point the MSM can’t ignore it any longer.

    Would you like to bet on that?

  69. #464101
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 1:51 pm, Flyoverman said:

    If roads lead back to Obama’s campaign, McCain needs to go before the cameras and demand BY NAME those in the obama camp that need to resign. I would pound away on this one relentlessly.

    That’s in addition to getting the Election Commission involved. “eswinner” has a IP address.

  70. #464145
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 2:09 pm, 29Victor said:

    No one is asking the important question.

    How does investigating the Obama campaign for corruption help Michelle Obama’s children?

  71. #464150
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 2:11 pm, Dave Turson said:

    On September 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 pm, lgm said:
    Palin cannot keep the anti-America organization from meeting. It’s a free country. But she doesn’t have to be delighted to welcome them either.

    When will you post a link showing the AIP is an anti-America organization?
    Here’s an AP article that was written 20 days ago that nipped this lie in the bud:

    [T]he Alaskan Independence Party, a fierce states’ rights group that wants to turn all federal lands in Alaska back to the state. …Some members of the party have advocated secession from the United States, though that is not a goal listed in the party’s platform.

    Tell us all about the AIP lgm, read the party’s platform and keep us posted.

  72. #464181
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 2:23 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    My name is Barack Obama and I approve this coverup…

  73. #464186
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 2:26 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    CNN just got in on the smear act with an article about Rape Victims that had to pay for their own rape exams in Wasilla while Palin was Mayor..

    I’d have to track this down, but I believe they charged them if they decided not to press charges. (Helps prevent false accusations.)

  74. #464219
    On September 22nd, 2008 at 2:46 pm, rambler said:

    Well, well, look at all the sleezy thugs surrounding obama. Chicago politics at its best. Morals, integrity or truth telling don’t exist in Chicago politics. If Obama truely had anything going for him, he and his minions would not have had to resort to a smear campaign. It must be killing them to see Sarah draw huge crowds. I hope that Obama is booted out of the Senate after he looses this election.

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