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		<title>By: RED GIRL RISING &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Where Do You Get Your &#8220;Facts?&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/23/tell-all-your-friends-factcheckorg-is-useless/comment-page-1/#comment-493690</link>
		<dc:creator>RED GIRL RISING &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Where Do You Get Your &#8220;Facts?&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Review and Michelle Malkin broke the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jillstanek.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>jillstanek.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fact-checking Factcheck.org on Gianna and Obama ads...&lt;/strong&gt;

Only 4 days ago Michelle Malkin called FactCheck.org&#039;s output &quot;pure garbage.&quot; I&#039;m here to corroborate. On September 24, FC posted an article supposedly fact-checking BornAliveTruth.org&#039;s Gianna ad as well as Barack Obama&#039;s retaliatory attack ad. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Fact-checking Factcheck.org on Gianna and Obama ads&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Only 4 days ago Michelle Malkin called FactCheck.org&#8217;s output &#8220;pure garbage.&#8221; I&#8217;m here to corroborate. On September 24, FC posted an article supposedly fact-checking BornAliveTruth.org&#8217;s Gianna ad as well as Barack Obama&#8217;s retaliatory attack ad. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: red dish</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/23/tell-all-your-friends-factcheckorg-is-useless/comment-page-1/#comment-466952</link>
		<dc:creator>red dish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know why the Patterico site is down?  Anyone have a screencap of the story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know why the Patterico site is down?  Anyone have a screencap of the story?</p>
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		<title>By: Peddler</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/23/tell-all-your-friends-factcheckorg-is-useless/comment-page-1/#comment-466573</link>
		<dc:creator>Peddler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Include in the mix another so-called fact checking site, PolitiFact.  It is the &quot;fair and balanced&quot; child of the St. Petersburg Times.  They do have a nice little animated meter indicating a major lie. &quot;Pants on Fire&quot; is the handle.  However, they do much the same as FactCheck when defending an Obama lie.  Snarky answers, half truths, and nuanced propaganda against McCain.

When McCain is right on something Obama lies about, the explanation line is pretty tame and vanilla.  When Obama is right on something, red hot chili peppers is the spice of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Include in the mix another so-called fact checking site, PolitiFact.  It is the &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; child of the St. Petersburg Times.  They do have a nice little animated meter indicating a major lie. &#8220;Pants on Fire&#8221; is the handle.  However, they do much the same as FactCheck when defending an Obama lie.  Snarky answers, half truths, and nuanced propaganda against McCain.</p>
<p>When McCain is right on something Obama lies about, the explanation line is pretty tame and vanilla.  When Obama is right on something, red hot chili peppers is the spice of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Goldwater Knight</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/23/tell-all-your-friends-factcheckorg-is-useless/comment-page-1/#comment-466272</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldwater Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Palin should change her line to something like “17% of US oil production” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

it&#039;s actually 16.5% to be precise. If you look at the Gibson interview she said, &quot;Nearly 20%.&quot; That&#039;s taking liberty on the facts but still OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Palin should change her line to something like “17% of US oil production” </p></blockquote>
<p>it&#8217;s actually 16.5% to be precise. If you look at the Gibson interview she said, &#8220;Nearly 20%.&#8221; That&#8217;s taking liberty on the facts but still OK.</p>
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		<title>By: kellino</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/23/tell-all-your-friends-factcheckorg-is-useless/comment-page-1/#comment-466266</link>
		<dc:creator>kellino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction -- it looks like the Alaska RDC originally had a quote claiming that Alaska provides 20% of oil AND gas, but the web site has been revised and now the only claim is around 15% of US oil production only.

So Palin&#039;s statement is apparently based on an old Alaska RDC statement that it no longer stands behind.

Palin should change her line to something like &quot;17% of US oil production&quot; (based on 2005).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction &#8212; it looks like the Alaska RDC originally had a quote claiming that Alaska provides 20% of oil AND gas, but the web site has been revised and now the only claim is around 15% of US oil production only.</p>
<p>So Palin&#8217;s statement is apparently based on an old Alaska RDC statement that it no longer stands behind.</p>
<p>Palin should change her line to something like &#8220;17% of US oil production&#8221; (based on 2005).</p>
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		<title>By: Goldwater Knight</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/23/tell-all-your-friends-factcheckorg-is-useless/comment-page-1/#comment-466263</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldwater Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin said, &quot;nearly 20% of of the US domestic supply of energy.&quot; You can add the two and that&#039;s what she meant. 

US domestic supply is an aggregate of all forms of energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin said, &#8220;nearly 20% of of the US domestic supply of energy.&#8221; You can add the two and that&#8217;s what she meant. </p>
<p>US domestic supply is an aggregate of all forms of energy.</p>
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		<title>By: kellino</title>
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		<dc:creator>kellino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with bluesoc that you can&#039;t just sum to shares from different buckets and get a usable value for aggregated share.

So getting to 16% that way does not make sense.  

But here is a paragraph from the Alaska RDC:

&lt;blockquote&gt;With the discovery of Prudhoe Bay and the construction of the trans-Alaska Pipeline, the oil and gas industry has become Alaska’s economic lifeline and a major secure source of domestic energy. North Slope oil fields account for an average (1980 - 2000) of 20 percent of the nation’s domestic production. Currrently, Alaska accounts for nearly 15% of U.S. production.

http://www.akrdc.org/issues/oilgas/overview.html  &lt;/blockquote&gt;

So Alaska says oil &amp; gas share = 15%, but WaPo says around 7%.

I went to the link that the WaPo referenced as a source and did some calculations myself.

According to those 2005 stats, Alaska produced 16.68% of all domestically produced oil.

But for natural gas the number is 2.6%.

Now both numbers are in BTU&#039;s so they can be summed and averaged.

Because there are twice as many natural gas BTUs than oil BUTs produced in the US, this weights down the total which is where I think WaPo came up with the 7.4%.

If you exclude natural gas, Alaska produces almost 17% of the BTUs created by oil.  It&#039;s the natural gas that drops it to 7.4%.

So it seems to me that based on BTUs the Washington Post is correct.

However, the Alaska RDC seems to have applied a different methodolgy.

Ask any accountant and there&#039;s a hundred ways to count the same thing.  It seems the worst Palin can be accused of is quoting states from the Alaksa RDC which uses a different measuring stick than the EIA.

That being said I thnk BTU&#039;s are a better measure.  If Palin had said &quot;17% of all oil produced in the US&quot;, the Washington Post would not be able to argue with her based on BTUs -- they&#039;d have to find a different article/measuring stick to disagree with her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with bluesoc that you can&#8217;t just sum to shares from different buckets and get a usable value for aggregated share.</p>
<p>So getting to 16% that way does not make sense.  </p>
<p>But here is a paragraph from the Alaska RDC:</p>
<blockquote><p>With the discovery of Prudhoe Bay and the construction of the trans-Alaska Pipeline, the oil and gas industry has become Alaska’s economic lifeline and a major secure source of domestic energy. North Slope oil fields account for an average (1980 &#8211; 2000) of 20 percent of the nation’s domestic production. Currrently, Alaska accounts for nearly 15% of U.S. production.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.akrdc.org/issues/oilgas/overview.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.akrdc.org/issues/oilgas/overview.html</a>  </p></blockquote>
<p>So Alaska says oil &amp; gas share = 15%, but WaPo says around 7%.</p>
<p>I went to the link that the WaPo referenced as a source and did some calculations myself.</p>
<p>According to those 2005 stats, Alaska produced 16.68% of all domestically produced oil.</p>
<p>But for natural gas the number is 2.6%.</p>
<p>Now both numbers are in BTU&#8217;s so they can be summed and averaged.</p>
<p>Because there are twice as many natural gas BTUs than oil BUTs produced in the US, this weights down the total which is where I think WaPo came up with the 7.4%.</p>
<p>If you exclude natural gas, Alaska produces almost 17% of the BTUs created by oil.  It&#8217;s the natural gas that drops it to 7.4%.</p>
<p>So it seems to me that based on BTUs the Washington Post is correct.</p>
<p>However, the Alaska RDC seems to have applied a different methodolgy.</p>
<p>Ask any accountant and there&#8217;s a hundred ways to count the same thing.  It seems the worst Palin can be accused of is quoting states from the Alaksa RDC which uses a different measuring stick than the EIA.</p>
<p>That being said I thnk BTU&#8217;s are a better measure.  If Palin had said &#8220;17% of all oil produced in the US&#8221;, the Washington Post would not be able to argue with her based on BTUs &#8212; they&#8217;d have to find a different article/measuring stick to disagree with her.</p>
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		<title>By: Goldwater Knight</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/23/tell-all-your-friends-factcheckorg-is-useless/comment-page-1/#comment-466239</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldwater Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;bluesoc said:&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re too smart for me pal. You&#039;ve articulated the chart perfectly. Good night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>bluesoc said:</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re too smart for me pal. You&#8217;ve articulated the chart perfectly. Good night.</p>
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		<title>By: bluesoc</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/23/tell-all-your-friends-factcheckorg-is-useless/comment-page-1/#comment-466235</link>
		<dc:creator>bluesoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and...

(is this a joke?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and&#8230;</p>
<p>(is this a joke?)</p>
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		<title>By: Goldwater Knight</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/23/tell-all-your-friends-factcheckorg-is-useless/comment-page-1/#comment-466217</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldwater Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine there&#039;s natural gas and crude oil dumped in a big swimming pool. All that oil and natural gas swirling around in the pool represents all the natural gas and oil the United States produces and it&#039;s called &quot;energy.&quot; Let&#039;s say the pool holds 1000 gallons. Alaska makes 160 gallons in that swimming pool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine there&#8217;s natural gas and crude oil dumped in a big swimming pool. All that oil and natural gas swirling around in the pool represents all the natural gas and oil the United States produces and it&#8217;s called &#8220;energy.&#8221; Let&#8217;s say the pool holds 1000 gallons. Alaska makes 160 gallons in that swimming pool.</p>
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		<title>By: bluesoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluesoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My physics class in high school covered thermodynamics, but I&#039;m not sure what that has to do with anything. 

I&#039;m reading the chart:
21,033 thousand barrels (oil)	-- 13.7%
444,724 million cu ft (natural gas)	--	2.3%

It does not follow that Alaska produces 16% of the nations oil and gas.

What if the numbers were different and Alaska produced 70% of the nation&#039;s oil and 70% of the nation&#039;s natural gas. Does that mean that they produce 140% of the nation&#039;s oil and natural gas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My physics class in high school covered thermodynamics, but I&#8217;m not sure what that has to do with anything. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading the chart:<br />
21,033 thousand barrels (oil)	&#8211; 13.7%<br />
444,724 million cu ft (natural gas)	&#8211;	2.3%</p>
<p>It does not follow that Alaska produces 16% of the nations oil and gas.</p>
<p>What if the numbers were different and Alaska produced 70% of the nation&#8217;s oil and 70% of the nation&#8217;s natural gas. Does that mean that they produce 140% of the nation&#8217;s oil and natural gas?</p>
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		<title>By: Goldwater Knight</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/23/tell-all-your-friends-factcheckorg-is-useless/comment-page-1/#comment-466196</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldwater Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bluesoc you&#039;re 100% wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bluesoc you&#8217;re 100% wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Goldwater Knight</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/23/tell-all-your-friends-factcheckorg-is-useless/comment-page-1/#comment-466192</link>
		<dc:creator>Goldwater Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, you can’t just add the percentages.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever taken a course in thermodynamics?
Read the damn chart. Percent of US production is what it means. Sorry man I don&#039;t jive with that fuzzy math crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also, you can’t just add the percentages.</p></blockquote>
<p>What the hell are you talking about? Have you ever taken a course in thermodynamics?<br />
Read the damn chart. Percent of US production is what it means. Sorry man I don&#8217;t jive with that fuzzy math crap.</p>
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		<title>By: bluesoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>bluesoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goldwater Knight- 

Political discourse &lt;strong&gt;about oil&lt;/strong&gt; is done in terms of barrels of crude. It would be impossible to talk about our total domestic energy supply in terms of barrels (how many barrels is one cubic foot of natural gas? [technically you could do this if you converted everything to BTUs first and then into barrels, but I don&#039;t think we do that]).

Also, you can&#039;t just add the percentages. Please see post 70. If you got the number from the energy secretary, he was using different numbers than the ones you provided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goldwater Knight- </p>
<p>Political discourse <strong>about oil</strong> is done in terms of barrels of crude. It would be impossible to talk about our total domestic energy supply in terms of barrels (how many barrels is one cubic foot of natural gas? [technically you could do this if you converted everything to BTUs first and then into barrels, but I don't think we do that]).</p>
<p>Also, you can&#8217;t just add the percentages. Please see post 70. If you got the number from the energy secretary, he was using different numbers than the ones you provided.</p>
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