nyk said:

I was responding to one of your fellow conservatives, who apparently does think the polls matter. So much so that s/he dug up the lone poll (Zogby) that shows McCain ahead and said:

Ah, so it’s a missy and not a lad? Ah well. But to further de-confuse you: I’m independent with some views that are conservative, middlin’ and some JFK/common-sense old-school democrat.
Also, if you check, that was me to whom (”to who?” – eh, whatever, I’m tired) you responded.

And I cited the only poll that shows the polling data POST-debate issue/economic emergency issue kerflufle, as I already highlighted. The others are old and do not reflect the voters reaction to McCain’s decision to tend to business first, as that one does. You’ll have to wait a few days for the dust to settle in other polls.

“No wonder the Obamites are in a frothing full-moonbat rage over this!”

Yup, that was me (again, just scroll up), McCain putting country first on the debate question put the Obama campaign in between a major rock & hard place. It was already in throes of PDS, so this just drove them into even more furious disarray. Not only did McCain do the right thing but he thrust Obama in a bigtime catch-22. A nice twofer.

Fin.

That’s “Fin” with me, too.

First off, I don’t get excited by polls no matter which way they go, laddie.

Neither do I (it’s “lassie,” btw). But I was responding to one of your fellow conservatives, who apparently does think the polls matter. So much so that s/he dug up the lone poll (Zogby) that shows McCain ahead and said:

No wonder the Obamites are in a frothing full-moonbat rage over this!

I found it quite a stretch and, using the same criteria, refuted the argument.

Fin.

nyk said:

Zogby Poll: McCain Recovers as Contest Takes Dramatic Turns; McCain 46% – Obama 44%

Tool around to some of the other polling sites

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First off, I don’t get excited by polls no matter which way they go, laddie. Especially when they show sudden, wild swings, when they do such polls are term “outliers”. i.e. out of the norm.

Second, when you look the outlier polls more carefully you see why you should have a full salt shaker handy.

For example, you may cite the latest Wapo-ABC polls which claims a sudden 9 point lead for Obama. If you’re just taking it at face value, then I understand where you might think Obama should be picking out drapes for the Oval Office even though that lead is nowhere Dukakis’ 17 point one in 1988.

To demonstrate the inherent problem with depending on such numbers, Pajamas Media looked at the methodology involved – here’s a quick excerpt, but it should give you an idea of why some skepticism is called for:

what the news outlets failed to report in their coverage about the Washington Post-ABC poll was the fact that 38% of the individuals who made up the poll identified themselves as Democrats, while only 28% identified themselves as Republicans. (See poll question #901.) Not surprisingly, a poll of mostly Democrats revealed that most of them wanted Democrat Barack Obama to be president rather than Republican John McCain. (Last month, the same poll used a 13-point edge for the Democrats among likely voters to produce similar results heading into the conventions.) The heavily skewed partisan nature of the poll is the real story, not the bogus numbers produced as a result of what is essentially a “push poll.”

Third, even if you accept that poll, it was before the items we’re talking about here – the economic melt-down and McCain’s choosing to “do his job” instead of playing politics as usual.

Now, on the contrary, the numbers I cited reflect voters choices after all the economic and debate fuss. Hence the title “McCain Recovers as Contest Takes Dramatic Turns; McCain 46% – Obama 44%”.

Forth, and finally, what you should be looking at are the “undecideds” and “independents”. I expect they will be the deciding factor and, as of now, both groups tilt moderately to heavy for McCain. The other thing to remember is the national vote – even if the polling could get it right – means diddly. There’s not 1 election for President, but 51. Just as with the “undecided voters”, the “undecided states” is the big, underlying story. How they will go is anybody’s guess and pretty much depends on how many voters got up on which side of their beds on Nov 4th.

At any rate, if you have any other questions on all this, I refer you to Presidents Dewey and Dukakis.

Zogby Poll: McCain Recovers as Contest Takes Dramatic Turns; McCain 46% – Obama 44%

By EVERY other estimate, Obama is leading by margins greater than ever before. Tool around to some of the other polling sites.

Kinda juvenile, dontcha think?

Do I think that creating t-shirts that call out McCain, using humor, for trying to dodge a debate when he’s not doing well is “juvenile?” Not really. Staging a publicity stunt to make yourself seem presidential? Seems pretty juvenile (where juvenile is a euphemism for pathetic) to me. Clearly, you disagree.

The irony of this situation is that John McCain hasn’t suspended his campaign at all. To quote Kos — yes, Kos — because whatever you think about that site, if you’ve watched the news or been online today, all of this is easily confirmed:

His surrogates are all over television, attacking Obama. His campaign ads are still running and his Internet fundraising is still operational. McCain’s press crew is fully operational. He spent the day with Rick Davis, his lobbyist campaign manager. And all of his campaign offices are still open and fully operational.

And now comes word via Jonathan Martin at The Politico that McCain will spend the evening doing interviews on ABC, NBC, and CBS.

The beauty of this is that he’s done this before:

With new polls showing his campaign dead in the water among California Republicans, Arizona Sen. John McCain has pulled out of a long-scheduled debate with Texas Gov. George Bush, set for Thursday in Los Angeles.

With McCain artfully dodging the hard questions and Sarah Palin having a really hard time answering even the easiest ones (see here and here),
it’s shaping up to be quite an easy decision.

DBNinKY said:
Is that how you felt when B Hussein Obama flaked out on SNL? I don’t think the people of Texas exactly required his prescient concern to be able to with stand Ike.

LOL, DBN. And remember Barry’s abject, total cowardice when Philandering John Edwards ordered Obama to follow his lead (actually “retreat”) and run from the Fox debates?

In time of crisis McCain chose duty to country, Obama choose to play in the sandbox instead. It seems people have noticed the stark contrast:

Zogby Poll: McCain Recovers as Contest Takes Dramatic Turns; McCain 46% – Obama 44%

No wonder the Obamites are in a frothing full-moonbat rage over this!

Is that how you felt when B Hussein Obama flaked out on SNL? I don’t think the people of Texas exactly required his prescient concern to be able to with stand Ike.

Not quite sure what you’re talking about, but it sounds like you’re comparing canceling on a dreadful sketch comedy show to scurrying away from a Presidential debate.

Is that right?

I think they’re pretty funny:

Kinda juvenile, dontcha think?

T SHIRT 1:

John McCain can’t multitask.

Obama can.

Oh yeah, those reliable voters over age sixty-five won’t be able to contain themselves (with laughter) when they read that little ditty. It’s a hoot!

T Shirt 2:
The Dog Ate My [History] Homework
(John McCain’s Joe Biden’s face here)

Much better!

On September 25th, 2008 at 1:14 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

What’s the matter – afraid BHO will forget his lines?