A historic night: The first presidential debate of 2008
Scroll down for updates and liveblogging…Obama hammers Bush-McCain theme, McCain emphasizes — sigh — fighting against “climate change…with Sen. Clinton”…McCain hits his stride on the war, foreign policy, Obama’s no-preconditions bungle…Gaffe of the debate so far: Obama trying to respond to McCain on his military/moral authority: “I’ve got a bracelet, too!”
What a week, huh? The high-stakes presidential debate at Ole Miss starts at 9pm Eastern. Hang out here and share your thoughts. I’ll liveblog for as long as my stomach can take it.
Expectations: Low.
Ole Miss has a debate site here.
The moderator will be PBS anchor Jim Lehrer. The debate format:
– Each debate will have a single moderator and last for 90 minutes…
– During the first and third presidential debates, and the vice presidential debate, the time will be divided into eight, ten-minute segments. The moderator will introduce each segment with an issue on which each candidate will comment, after which the moderator will facilitate further discussion of the issue, including direct exchange between the candidates for the balance of that segment…
– Time at the end of the final presidential debate will be reserved for closing statements.
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A reader proposes the first drinking game suggestion:
Michelle, how about a college-style drinking game tonight – where everyone takes a drink whenever Obama says “Bush” – in his laughably ridiculous ongoing effort to link McCain to Bush.
If you’re looking to get inebriated quickly, start drinking every time Obama says “Uh.”
Or every time McCain touts bipartisanship.
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9:08pm Eastern.
First question on the need for solvency and security: Where do you stand on the economic recovery plan?
Obama: He’s reciting his bailout talking points…Oversight, returns to taxpayers, no CEO golden parachutes, help homeowners. Failed economic policies by George Bush supported by McCain.
McCain-Bush! Take your first swig, people.
McCain: Mentions Ted Kennedy being hospitalized. I’m not feeling too great about things tonight, but tonight I’m feeling a little better…touts bipartisan efforts to forge a bailout deal…Republicans and Democrats sitting down and negotiating.
Bipartisanship! Take another swig, people.
More McCain: This is the end of the beginning of the crisis. We’ve got a lot of work to do. Eliminate dependence on foreign oil.
Lehrer: Do you favor the plan, Sen. Obama?
Obama: We haven’t seen the language yet. There is constructive work being done there.
The question is how did we get here? Obama takes credit for warning about the problem.
McCain: Reminds that he warned about it, too. Says he will vote for the bailout. I’ve been heavily criticized for calling for the resignation of the SEC chairman.
He’s going on an anti-greed screed.
Obama: Attacking McCain for claiming the fundamentals of the economy are sound. Lehrer tries to get them to talk to each other directly. They won’t.
I agree with a commenter below. Obama is wearing too much make-up.
9:19pm Eastern.
Still on the economy.
McCain: We need to control spending. He’s talking about earmarks as a gateway drug. Refers to his friend Tom Coburn (also cited as a friend of Barack Obama). Obama has asked for $932 million in earmarks. Points viewers to Citizens Against Government Waste for documentation. That’s one of the fundamental differences between Obama and me.
Obama: Earmarks account for $18 billion in the budget. McCain wants $300 billion in tax cuts to wealthiest corporations and individuals.
McCain-Bush, McCain-Bush!
Bottoms up. Take another gulp.
McCain goes after Obama for $800 billion he supports in new spending. Obama says he’ll close corporate loopholes. Expand health care.
9:25pm Eastern. McCain is defending his business tax proposals. He really should challenge Obama on the Bush talking point.
Side note: Obama’s got a shiny flag lapel pin.
9:34pm Eastern. Sorry, tuned out for a moment there while Obama was burbling about building broadband lines.
McCain turns to defense spending. He’s recounting all his pork barrel fights.
I wonder if this debate will ever get to the stated focus: Foreign policy.
9:36pm Eastern. Another “Bush’s failed policies” line from Obama. What’s that now? 10?
Lehrer keeps hectoring the candidates to answer his question about how the financial crisis would change how they govern.
McCain says he’d call for a spending freeze on everything except defense and entitlements.
Obama’s babbling about something or other.
McCain goes after Obama on nuclear power, dependence on foreign oil…and CLIMATE CHANGE, “an issue I’ve been involved in for many years along with Sen. Clinton.”
Gag.
9:42pm Eastern. McCain is repeating his lines about cutting spending. Okay, I think he’s got his message across on that.
Obama: Bush-McCain! Bush-McCain!
McCain: Repeats his “I was not elected Miss Congeniality…I’m a maverick and so’s my running mate.”
Lehrer moves to the war. What are the lessons of Iraq?
McCain talks strategy, surge, praises Petraeus, we will come home in victory.
Obama pats himself on the back for opposing the Iraqi invasion, rattles off body count, claims al Qaeda is resurgent, complains about military spending.
9:48pm Eastern. McCain does well, finally, in attacking Obama on his surge flip-flops and not visiting the battlefront.
Obama’s answer: “I’m proud of my vice presidential pick.”
Joe Biden: Obama’s human shield!
McCain says “Obama doesn’t know the difference between a tactic and a strategy.” McCain recounts his visit to Baghdad two Fourth of Julys ago and how troops told him, “Let us win.” McCain gives a counterinsurgency 101 lesson. McCain points out Obama voted to cut off funds for the troops.
Very good fusillade from McCain.
Obama getting antsy.
McCain engages Obama on setting specific dates for withdrawal.
9:55pm Eastern. Lehrer turns to Afghanistan. Do we need more troops?
Obama: “Yes. I’ve said that for over a year now.”
9:58pm Eastern. McCain is “not prepared to threaten Pakistan as Obama said he would do…You don’t say that out loud…I’ve been to Waziristan…need a strategy…”
Sidenote: Email from reader Rich…
MM,
Overall so far…McCain is not quick enough on the uptake. Obama is more focused and clearly more prepared with the details and populist counter-arguments. McCain needs to respond quickly from two perspectives….1) What he would do moving forward, and 2) What he has done over the last 25+ years, esp bipartisan efforts.
Q1: Why did McCain say he has “spoken out” about Fannie and Freddie instead of talking about his introduction of legislation in 2003 to provide further regulation/oversight of F & F.
Q2: Obama immed answers a question of what he plans to cut during this financial crisis with a laundry list of his proposals for new spending programs. McCain misses an easy opening to say just that…”Obama was asked what he would cut and answered how he would spend”.
More later..
Rich
USMC (Retired)
Obama comes back at McCain for singing “Bomb, bomb, Iran.”
McCain returns fire with his record on Lebanon, Somalia, Kosovo. “I have a record of being involved in these national security issues which involve the highest responsibilities you can have…”
McCain recounts his Matthew Stanley bracelet story. Talks about troops, families, refusing to come back with defeat and dishonor.
Obama: I’ve got a bracelet, too!
He has to look at it…uhhh…to remember whose bracelet it is.
10:06pm Eastern. Obama attacks McCain on Afghanistan. McCain responds: “You would think if he were so concerned, he would have gone to Afghanistan.”
McCain wants a “League of Democracies.”
10:14pm Eastern. McCain takes a dig at Obama’s presidential seal…”I don’t have a seal yet”…
should have probably explained the joke a little…
10:15pm Eastern. McCain attacks Obama’s pledge to meet tyrants without preconditions.
Obama blusters on his preconditions/preparations line.
10:18pm Eastern. McCain is strong on North Korea.
Obama cites Kissinger.
McCain comes back: He’s known Kissinger for 30 years. Obama is parsing words.
10:26pm Eastern. McCain sounds forceful on Russia/Georgia. Obama follows up meekly.
10:30pm Eastern. Last question. What’s the likelihood of another 9/11?
McCain: Less than it once was. Recounts teaming up with Joe Lieberman on formation of a 9/11 investigation commission…Bush opposed us…we reached across the aisle…long way to go on intelligence services…trained interrogators so we don’t ever torutre another prisoner ever again…America is safer today than it was on 9/11, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have a long way to go…he really should tie the war on terror overseas — not just in Iraq, but worldwide — to homeland security…and what about border security…
Stop. Oh, my god, he just mentioned doing a better job on our borders.
Knock me over with a feather.
Obama: He’s talking missile defense. al Qaeda in 60 countries.
McCain should have covered that.
10:34pm Eastern. Obama credits McCain on the torture issue and then gives us his Big Idea for making America safer? “Restoring our standing in the world!” Making us more “respected!”
McCain: Obama doesn’t get it. If we fail in Iraq…it would lead to defeat…Americans will judge…right path or wrong path…this is the central issue of our time.
10:40pm Eastern. Wrapping up.
McCain: “I don’t need any on-the-job training. I’m ready to lead now.”
Obama is talking about his name. Filibustering about “investing,” “The Children,” etc.
McCain gets the last word: “I know how to heal the wounds of the war, I know how to deal.”
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is Lehrer a marriage counselor or what?
Name names John!!!
Greed in Washington DC. YAY!!!!
So glad the makeup thing isn’t just me. Doesn’t he appear to be a funny color?
MDH3 – I do the live blogging standing up, this may prove a challenge tonight…
more wine!
Spending is out of control! Thank you!
Reign in spending! Works for me!
you noticed that too?
Obama, We haven’t been paying attention to people who can’t make their mortgages? which ones the ones who should never got them in the first place from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Sub Prime Loans. So Obama wants to keep pouring money into a bucket with a hole in the bottom of it?
C’mon McCain! FIGHT!
McCain — good answer — spending control. NO KIDDING.
Oh No, nick in McCain’s armor.
The moderator should shut up trying to get them to talk directly to each other. When they’re ready to, they will. Trying to bully them into it is just heavy handed.
McCain’s makeup person did an excellent job. His left eye was looking a little rough the other day. Clinton had that problem too when he was tired.
He always looks funny to me
McCain the Reformer: mentioning earmarking as a “gateway drug.” Interesting.
Break out the calculators … you’re going to need them no matter what you are keying that next drink on …
YEAH!!! Veto baby!
Let’s make sure he gets the chance to veto spending people!
Yeah! And how about his hair? It’s grey one day, black the next, back to grey, salt and pepper. What’s up with that????
Does Sen. McCain seem nervous to anyone else?
oh yay, attack!!
I am cowered in a corner of the room , rocking myself. I panic waaaay to seriously.
McCain has a pen to veto, (paraphrasing Clinton about the heath Care plan.)
Slam!!!
New Obama commercial: McCain, even his pens are old. I’m Barack Obama.
Finally…hitting on Obama’s earmarks!
You guys are so brave. I can’t bring myself to watch it. My blood pressure is high enough just knowing Jim Lehrer is the moderator!
BOOM!!! Barry’s pork thrown on the floor in front of him
Bears in Montana – nice story, but what about the earmark for MichelleO’s hospital?
Nice point by McCain on earmarks
I’m happy that Oblahblah seems to have shrunk, to have lost shoulder width ON the HD screen I’m watching, but I PRAY that John McCain would remind the audience that he’s been warning that this collapse would happen for YEARS!
Obama, How does your garden grow?
Earmarks – Pow!
three more!
Obummer denying that he ever earmarked. Har. Har. Har.
four!
Oh, here we go…class warfare. Tax cuts INCREASE revenues. Idiot. Just look at the charts.
I’m listening to radio. Did McCain pull out a quill?
$932 million dollars, nearly 1 million dollars for evey day he’s been in the Senate. Slam!
Oh here we go with the class envy bravo sierra.
It could be my tv … he’s probably tired too, like somebody said earlier. I liked the joke about talking to McCain! And McCain saying, You think I can’t hear him.
Cute.
New word for drinking game:
FUNDAMENTAL
O breaks out class warfare on the tax breaks. He neglects to tell us that most of those Americans, the 95%, DON’T pay INCOME taxes
Mookie – you are right…he’s got a little palsy on the left, but looks OK tonight.
class warfare! Favorite tactic of the dems. Oh, 40% of those 95% don’t pay taxes!!!!!!
“Corporate tax cuts bad, rich people evillll”
yawn
Corporate tax cuts are good for us peasants too- we have our 401k’s invested in those corporations.
He’s starting to unravel… Obama that is.
Obama is going to his old 95% people get a tax cut really then where is the 700 Billion going to come from.
$700K less in taxes is $700K more into the economy in one form or another, you quasi-socialist tool.
Grow economy from bottom up – hahahahahaha
get him John
BlamO, take THAT Obama. hahaha
Cricket24 … the trick is to watch with friends …
Jim, Jack, Jose, etc., etc., etc.
Gotcha, Obummer… he suspended the requests after he started runnning for President. Hahahahahah!!!!
Pork bad, Obama you know you have heard this your whole life…LOL
go get em, Mav! $932M in requests
he does look nervous doesn’t he
Just leave out “marks” and talk about Obambi’s big ears.
Get him John!
$800 billion in new spending! Ka-boom!!
Obama looks very bitter. can we send hime some guns and religion?
earmarks corrupt – nice John.
Odumbo’s getting flustered.
you pay for your programs with our money!!!!!!
I can’t stand it that BO constantly says “let’s be clear”. Why does he have to continually clarify everything? What a tool, I really can’t stand him.
ZING! McCain gets him on the requests on earmark reform!
McCain – 1
Obama – 0
My count of course.
what that six UHS?
Crap, I am definitely gonna need to crack open another bottle at this rate!
MDH3
I don’t think he is quasi
McCain likes rich people, lets get him!
Obummer: earmarks not a recipe in cutting taxes. What the hell is he talking about?
Obama will make sure we’re not spending money unwisely.
Laree, har.
Line by Line? Obamas going to request a line item veto for the budget
Thanks for the laugh.
Barry’s eye contact…casts down and left…I seem to recall that is “evasive and untruthful”
More Bush-McCain, class envy! That’s all that’s in this guy’s arsenal.
thank you, John
Corporate taxes are too high.
ooh the business tax 35% oh this is going to stump Obama this is Capitalism
Really. All that approach will grow is more dependency.
Yes mcCain!
Turn! Corporate tax cuts keep jobs in America!
Global taxes, in black and white..so easy even Obama can understand it. Cut taxes for corporations and they will stay here in this country.
Obama looks pissed.
One shot for My friends
This is so great, McCain earmarks: ZERO.
Zero’s earmarks: 932 million.
I love McCain’s tone – he slams, but doesn’t look or sound angry. Genuinely appealing to the average Joe watching.
Barry’s getting the Benito Mussolini face on again…
tax cuts sound good to me.
McCain’s going to undo this precocious young man.
Oh, will the ashtrays fly in the Obama hotel room this evening!
is obama in high school with the raising of his hand all the time?
Tax hikes not good for economy. NO they’re not.
There’s another “let’s be clear”, DJ!
Obummer’s getting pissed…. does he needs his enforcer Michelle?
Oh, God…first “my friends.” Get me my Zinfandel. Stat!
Are Obama’s lawyer’s trying to shut down McCain’s ‘lies’ yet?
he’s struggling right now.
wa wa wa wa wa
Sorry, this is totally unwathable. Like his namsake in Top Gun, Maverick refuses to engage.
Obama’s stuttering.
He does look pissed.
And now he’s talking to “us.” In an effort to make “John” look like he’s talking to rich people, and Obama is talking to “us.”
Keep stabbing him with $900 million in earmarks. 35% vs 11% US and Ireland tax rates. Nice
Most of the people O’s cutting taxes for don’t pay them now. Sheesh. What a tool.