A historic night: The first presidential debate of 2008
Scroll down for updates and liveblogging…Obama hammers Bush-McCain theme, McCain emphasizes — sigh — fighting against “climate change…with Sen. Clinton”…McCain hits his stride on the war, foreign policy, Obama’s no-preconditions bungle…Gaffe of the debate so far: Obama trying to respond to McCain on his military/moral authority: “I’ve got a bracelet, too!”
What a week, huh? The high-stakes presidential debate at Ole Miss starts at 9pm Eastern. Hang out here and share your thoughts. I’ll liveblog for as long as my stomach can take it.
Expectations: Low.
Ole Miss has a debate site here.
The moderator will be PBS anchor Jim Lehrer. The debate format:
– Each debate will have a single moderator and last for 90 minutes…
– During the first and third presidential debates, and the vice presidential debate, the time will be divided into eight, ten-minute segments. The moderator will introduce each segment with an issue on which each candidate will comment, after which the moderator will facilitate further discussion of the issue, including direct exchange between the candidates for the balance of that segment…
– Time at the end of the final presidential debate will be reserved for closing statements.
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A reader proposes the first drinking game suggestion:
Michelle, how about a college-style drinking game tonight – where everyone takes a drink whenever Obama says “Bush” – in his laughably ridiculous ongoing effort to link McCain to Bush.
If you’re looking to get inebriated quickly, start drinking every time Obama says “Uh.”
Or every time McCain touts bipartisanship.
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9:08pm Eastern.
First question on the need for solvency and security: Where do you stand on the economic recovery plan?
Obama: He’s reciting his bailout talking points…Oversight, returns to taxpayers, no CEO golden parachutes, help homeowners. Failed economic policies by George Bush supported by McCain.
McCain-Bush! Take your first swig, people.
McCain: Mentions Ted Kennedy being hospitalized. I’m not feeling too great about things tonight, but tonight I’m feeling a little better…touts bipartisan efforts to forge a bailout deal…Republicans and Democrats sitting down and negotiating.
Bipartisanship! Take another swig, people.
More McCain: This is the end of the beginning of the crisis. We’ve got a lot of work to do. Eliminate dependence on foreign oil.
Lehrer: Do you favor the plan, Sen. Obama?
Obama: We haven’t seen the language yet. There is constructive work being done there.
The question is how did we get here? Obama takes credit for warning about the problem.
McCain: Reminds that he warned about it, too. Says he will vote for the bailout. I’ve been heavily criticized for calling for the resignation of the SEC chairman.
He’s going on an anti-greed screed.
Obama: Attacking McCain for claiming the fundamentals of the economy are sound. Lehrer tries to get them to talk to each other directly. They won’t.
I agree with a commenter below. Obama is wearing too much make-up.
9:19pm Eastern.
Still on the economy.
McCain: We need to control spending. He’s talking about earmarks as a gateway drug. Refers to his friend Tom Coburn (also cited as a friend of Barack Obama). Obama has asked for $932 million in earmarks. Points viewers to Citizens Against Government Waste for documentation. That’s one of the fundamental differences between Obama and me.
Obama: Earmarks account for $18 billion in the budget. McCain wants $300 billion in tax cuts to wealthiest corporations and individuals.
McCain-Bush, McCain-Bush!
Bottoms up. Take another gulp.
McCain goes after Obama for $800 billion he supports in new spending. Obama says he’ll close corporate loopholes. Expand health care.
9:25pm Eastern. McCain is defending his business tax proposals. He really should challenge Obama on the Bush talking point.
Side note: Obama’s got a shiny flag lapel pin.
9:34pm Eastern. Sorry, tuned out for a moment there while Obama was burbling about building broadband lines.
McCain turns to defense spending. He’s recounting all his pork barrel fights.
I wonder if this debate will ever get to the stated focus: Foreign policy.
9:36pm Eastern. Another “Bush’s failed policies” line from Obama. What’s that now? 10?
Lehrer keeps hectoring the candidates to answer his question about how the financial crisis would change how they govern.
McCain says he’d call for a spending freeze on everything except defense and entitlements.
Obama’s babbling about something or other.
McCain goes after Obama on nuclear power, dependence on foreign oil…and CLIMATE CHANGE, “an issue I’ve been involved in for many years along with Sen. Clinton.”
Gag.
9:42pm Eastern. McCain is repeating his lines about cutting spending. Okay, I think he’s got his message across on that.
Obama: Bush-McCain! Bush-McCain!
McCain: Repeats his “I was not elected Miss Congeniality…I’m a maverick and so’s my running mate.”
Lehrer moves to the war. What are the lessons of Iraq?
McCain talks strategy, surge, praises Petraeus, we will come home in victory.
Obama pats himself on the back for opposing the Iraqi invasion, rattles off body count, claims al Qaeda is resurgent, complains about military spending.
9:48pm Eastern. McCain does well, finally, in attacking Obama on his surge flip-flops and not visiting the battlefront.
Obama’s answer: “I’m proud of my vice presidential pick.”
Joe Biden: Obama’s human shield!
McCain says “Obama doesn’t know the difference between a tactic and a strategy.” McCain recounts his visit to Baghdad two Fourth of Julys ago and how troops told him, “Let us win.” McCain gives a counterinsurgency 101 lesson. McCain points out Obama voted to cut off funds for the troops.
Very good fusillade from McCain.
Obama getting antsy.
McCain engages Obama on setting specific dates for withdrawal.
9:55pm Eastern. Lehrer turns to Afghanistan. Do we need more troops?
Obama: “Yes. I’ve said that for over a year now.”
9:58pm Eastern. McCain is “not prepared to threaten Pakistan as Obama said he would do…You don’t say that out loud…I’ve been to Waziristan…need a strategy…”
Sidenote: Email from reader Rich…
MM,
Overall so far…McCain is not quick enough on the uptake. Obama is more focused and clearly more prepared with the details and populist counter-arguments. McCain needs to respond quickly from two perspectives….1) What he would do moving forward, and 2) What he has done over the last 25+ years, esp bipartisan efforts.
Q1: Why did McCain say he has “spoken out” about Fannie and Freddie instead of talking about his introduction of legislation in 2003 to provide further regulation/oversight of F & F.
Q2: Obama immed answers a question of what he plans to cut during this financial crisis with a laundry list of his proposals for new spending programs. McCain misses an easy opening to say just that…”Obama was asked what he would cut and answered how he would spend”.
More later..
Rich
USMC (Retired)
Obama comes back at McCain for singing “Bomb, bomb, Iran.”
McCain returns fire with his record on Lebanon, Somalia, Kosovo. “I have a record of being involved in these national security issues which involve the highest responsibilities you can have…”
McCain recounts his Matthew Stanley bracelet story. Talks about troops, families, refusing to come back with defeat and dishonor.
Obama: I’ve got a bracelet, too!
He has to look at it…uhhh…to remember whose bracelet it is.
10:06pm Eastern. Obama attacks McCain on Afghanistan. McCain responds: “You would think if he were so concerned, he would have gone to Afghanistan.”
McCain wants a “League of Democracies.”
10:14pm Eastern. McCain takes a dig at Obama’s presidential seal…”I don’t have a seal yet”…
should have probably explained the joke a little…
10:15pm Eastern. McCain attacks Obama’s pledge to meet tyrants without preconditions.
Obama blusters on his preconditions/preparations line.
10:18pm Eastern. McCain is strong on North Korea.
Obama cites Kissinger.
McCain comes back: He’s known Kissinger for 30 years. Obama is parsing words.
10:26pm Eastern. McCain sounds forceful on Russia/Georgia. Obama follows up meekly.
10:30pm Eastern. Last question. What’s the likelihood of another 9/11?
McCain: Less than it once was. Recounts teaming up with Joe Lieberman on formation of a 9/11 investigation commission…Bush opposed us…we reached across the aisle…long way to go on intelligence services…trained interrogators so we don’t ever torutre another prisoner ever again…America is safer today than it was on 9/11, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have a long way to go…he really should tie the war on terror overseas — not just in Iraq, but worldwide — to homeland security…and what about border security…
Stop. Oh, my god, he just mentioned doing a better job on our borders.
Knock me over with a feather.
Obama: He’s talking missile defense. al Qaeda in 60 countries.
McCain should have covered that.
10:34pm Eastern. Obama credits McCain on the torture issue and then gives us his Big Idea for making America safer? “Restoring our standing in the world!” Making us more “respected!”
McCain: Obama doesn’t get it. If we fail in Iraq…it would lead to defeat…Americans will judge…right path or wrong path…this is the central issue of our time.
10:40pm Eastern. Wrapping up.
McCain: “I don’t need any on-the-job training. I’m ready to lead now.”
Obama is talking about his name. Filibustering about “investing,” “The Children,” etc.
McCain gets the last word: “I know how to heal the wounds of the war, I know how to deal.”
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Diana,
He’s unravelling. He’s not ready.
three more!
what’s rich, Barry?!
$250,000 annual income is “THE RICH”.
Write this down. It’ll come back to Barry some time.
Hmmm….$250K a year in CA ain’t rich folks. They already take 50% when you combine fed + state + sales tax + AMT.
And oh yeah, RE tax too.
OMG… how the hell will he afford this 95% of taxcuts for Americans? He’s talking outta his ass.
Obama if you have a quarter of a million dollars, okay If I had a lot of money, I won’t see an increase in my taxes until after Obama takes office.
Obama keeps communicating with someone off screen, because he can’t take notes! haha He’s stuttering now too! Oh, & “John has been absolutely right” according to Obama many times now hasn’t her?
and dems have the nerve to say Bush can’t speak… let them try to say that after all of Obama’s stuttering and stammering tonight. He’s lost without a teleprompter.
no he didn’t!
Just tuned in: Is Obama’s makeup a little darker or is it me.
Oh wait that’s racist.
Forgive me.
Obama’s wearing
John Kerry orange-
all the rage in libville-
OMG he is an idiot
Socialized healthcare is NOT the answer.
I thought the same thing.
Dan Lee,
I don’t think that is a person he is looking for his teleprompter.
::huh:: what’s he saying… can’t understand a word…
It’s making him look weak. He needs that person off screen!
He said Christmas Tree Ornaments!
Yes. Look at the records.
Please God, tell me what is wrong with cutting business tax????
Oh oh. He’s starting to get flustered. Obama…he’s losing it.
HA, McCain laughs at your feeble attempt to paint yourself out of a corner.
FESTOONED!
I love him.
good for John dissed Jim Lehrer
The less regulation we have the better off we’re gonna be! First time this pinhead got anything right. Obummer is a secret Republian?
Did you see the movie 300?
McAmnesty would come up the to the knee of the warriors and the Obamasiah would be a toothpick after a big meal…
How in the hell did we get so weak…?
No, he was pointing & communicating to a person.. It’s making him look weak & incapable of handling the debate on his own….
Lets try Capitalism, we tried your way see “Financial Crisis”
Obama thought he’d rule if the debate shifted to economy…he’s got the forced smile…he’s pi$$ed
shut up chatty Fox News people! I can’t hear them!
BHO is starting to look like the Mrs.. Grrrz!
I knew the nod to Teddy was coming and I had a feeling it would be Johnny Mac who brought up the Lion of the Senate.
The big eared one’s makeup makes him look black.
For Pete’s Sake… If the Messiah is going to “be clear” again, I’m gonna take a life! He’s about as clear as mud!
How’s things in Kaufman County TXEngineer?
I want to know when McCain is going to give BO a
wedgie! That’s from the husband.
I want BO to stand on his head so we can see the area
he’s talking through.
New Tax Code? How about the Fair Tax? No IRS!! That’ll sovle a whole lot of things.
Fistfight starting in 3…2…1…
I was just thinking the same thing!
Who owns the oil companies…Stockholders. Retirees…etc
go John his getting tongue tied.
Why does Obummer keep raising his hand?
Total lie about the drilling in the energy bill on Obummer’s part.
hahaha, but u already gave them to the oil companies.
Obama is pissed. I love it. Just wait til they get to Foreign policy.
Remember he insisted that McCain and he Could work go to D.C. and debate. Well McCain wanted to go to D.C. and work and do something about the Financial Crisis.
New question…
I thought this was going to be foreign policy?
It’s “the financial rescue thing”.
That’s good journalism.
Jackass… Obozo has absolutely no concept of basic Economics… Whe the hell is coaching him, anyway?
y’all, C-SPAN is streaming the vid if you can’t abide the talking heads (as I cannot.)
Jim Lehrer is an utter tool and always has been.
Obama is a bold faced liar. He will initiate his spending plans regardless of tax revenues.
Hey, when are we gonna talk about foreign policy?
this guy can’t answer a quest!
That’s right…mutual funds, 401Ks, etc., just about everyone owns something.
McCain will wipe the floor with Barry O on Foreign policy!
Wait a minute, He’s black?
On the last seque BHO sounded like a dog having its way with the nearest leg…
Way beyond um and ahh…
Get the Government OUT OF HEALTHCARE!!!!
solar, wind, hugely inflated tires…
I dare him to cite the study that correlates health care deductibles with bankrupcy.
Obama you are putting an enormous burden on people because of you and your buddies sub prime loan mess.
O is going from talking points – please McCain or Lehrer ask him to actually answer the question on what he would cut.
VBmom, think they’ll get to Foreign policy?
He’s going off on education.. Big mistake right there. Roads? Broadband?? He’s losing the debate for himself. Love it..
He’s going off on education.. Big mistake right there. Roads? Broadband?? He’s losing the debate for himself. Love it..
Have you tried the Fox News Channel instead of their network component?
McCain: What’s your definition of rich?
Obama: Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive, Dodge!
TexasEngineer, agreed, 100 % democrap
China had a space walk?? wow, doesn’t Obama realize that we already landed on the moon?
Doesn’t sound like he is offering much in the way of what he WON’T be able to afford.
Sen. McCain is hitting his stride now. He was nervous at the beginning.
BTW – you are all very talented. I can’t watch/listen and pay attention to the comments at the same time. Thankfully I have DVR to help in this regard.
Yes, BHO and all of that costs $$$$$.
College for everyone in America is a Big Education boondoggle!
so many lies barry. energy independence my butt. Why is your party blocking access to American oil?
Supposed to take on economy for first 40 minutes so I thought I heard.
no tv.
That’s not true. Medicare went up 30%.
see, the conservative is here…for now
Cut spending!
zing
YES! Most liberal voting record slam!!
He is talking infrastructure did anyone see what South Side of Chicago looks like now after Obama the community organizer. He really doesn’t have a touch when it comes to infrastructure.
Most liberal senator! BAM!
If Obama wants to eliminate something that doesn’t work he should resign from the senate!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh good. I thought I was the only one who noticed. I guess he has to differentiate himself from the other white guy.
OOps! there I go again.
…hard to reach that far across the aisle..!!!! LOLOL
McCain should say liberal every fifth word.
Obummer is still going on how we need to solve health care RIGHT NOW!!! Just like that “financial crisis” right?
Truth? Who needs the truth?
gotta wonder why McCain isn’t holding The One’s feet to the fire better.
It”s hard to reach across the aisle from that far to the left!
I’m LIKING the cut spending line McCain is saying. If ONLY …
It was a boondogle for me my first five years. I don’t want to pay for soemone else’s.
What happened to the foreign policy debate?
Good riddance to bad rubbish!
I like that McCain is talking about actual things he has accomplished. It reveals that Obama really is all talk.
Uh oh. Porky Pig just showed up wearing BO’s suit.
What planet is Obummer inhabiting? We can’t afford universal healthcare. Completely dumb.
as I said before…
::swig::
Obama’s lemmings are falling for this crapola.
Barry you can lower enerdy prices with out developing more!
John’s right again!! hahaha He said it like 6 times now!
This is an economic debate because the libs are afraid of a foreign policy debate.
who’s Tom?
uhhhh