Reid and Dodd blame McCain; Schumer tells McCain to “Get out of town;” McCain leaves for debate

By Michelle Malkin  •  September 26, 2008 11:06 AM

Scroll down for updates…11:33am Eastern McCain resumes campaign activities, the debate is on…:

Puke.

Unscrupulous borrower Chris Dodd and Dingy Harry Reid are holding a blame-McCain press conference. After stomping his feet up and down and baiting McCain to take a position on the bailout, Reid is now lambasting McCain for going to Washington and getting involved. “We don’t need presidential politics in this,” he whines. Then why did he publicly demand McCain go on record for or against the bailout?!

(Bill Sammon on FNC on Reid’s laughable claim that a “deal” was on the table and ready to go before McCain arrived and messed it up: “Patently false.”)

Thank God for the House Republicans.

Call yours up and thank them today and urge them to keep looking out for us.

Phone: 202-224-3121.

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More: Chuck Schumer tells McCain to “Get out of town.” A friend on the Hill sends the transcript of Schumer’s remarks (see end of the transcript) and asks: “But what about the Congressmen that created this mess? Shouldn’t they leave town too?”

Exactly.

{09:38:26 NSP} (THE PRESIDING OFFICER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

THE PRESIDING OFFICER: THE SENIOR SENATOR FROM NEW YORK IS RECOGNIZED.

[ram]{09:38:32 NSP} (MR. SCHUMER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }

MR. SCHUMER: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AND, OF COURSE, WE LIVE IN VERY PERILOUS TIMES, OUR ECONOMY, PARTICULARLY OUR DEBT MARKETS AND OUR CREDIT MARKETS ARE IN VERY SERIOUS SHAPE. TO PARAPHRASE CHAIRMAN BERNANKE, THE ARTERIES OF THE PATIENT, OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM, IS CLOGGED AND THE PATIENT WILL GET A HEART ATTACK. WE DON’T KNOW IF IT WILL BE TOMORROW OR SIX MONTH FROM NOW OR A YEAR FROM NOW. BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, IF WE DON’T UNCLOG THE ARTERIES, A HEART ATTACK WILL OCCUR. SO WE MUST ACT. I KNOW THERE ARE SOME, PARTICULARLY SOME VERY IDEOLOGICAL PEOPLE ON THE HARD RIGHT WHO SAY DO NOTHING AND LET EVERYONE LEARN THEIR LESSON. WELL, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY AT THE HIGH END OF THE SPECTRUM WHO SHOULD LEARN THEIR LESSON. BUT THERE ARE MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO WILL BE HURT IF WE DO NOTHING. THE AUTOWORKER WHO WILL BE LAID OFF BECAUSE WE SELL FEWER CARS. THE SMALL BUSINESSWOMAN WHO HAS STRUGGLED TO BUILD UP HER BUSINESS FOR 15, 20 YEARS AND GET — ANT CAN’T GET A LOAN. A WAITRESS AT A RESTAURANT THAT HAS — OF A RESTAURANT THAT HAS TO SHUT DOWN AND CAN’T GET WORK. THAT IS THE DIFFICULTY OF OUR WORLD. IT IS NOT FAIR. IT IS NOT RIGHT. BUT IT IS HOW IT IS. SO WE MUST COME TOGETHER AND WORK IN A BIPARTISAN WAY TO UNCLOG THOSE ARTERIES. AND WE MUST DO IT SOON. WE SHOULD NOT LEAVE HERE, MR. PRESIDENT, UNTIL WE HAVE A PLAN. WHETHER IT TAKES A DAY, SEVERAL DAYS, OR A WEEK OR EVEN MORE. WE CANNOT ABANDON OUR RESPONSIBILITIES AND WE SHOULD WORK AND I BELIEVE WE WILL STAY HERE AND WORK UNTIL A PLAN IS AGREED UPON AND WE SEE SOME LIGHT AT THE END OF THIS RAPIDLY DARKENING TUNNEL. THAT IS THE FIRST POINT I WISH TO MAKE. SECOND, WE NEED TO PASS A GOOD PLAN. THE PRESIDENT’S INITIAL OFFERING WAS RECEIVED WITH, LET’S SAY, LACK OF POPULARITY TO PUT IT KINDLY BY BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS HERE IN THIS CHAMBER AND PEOPLE OUT IN AMERICA. IT’S BECAUSE IT WAS A A $700 BILLION BLANK CHECK. THERE WAS NO HELP FOR TAXPAYERS’ PROTECTION, SO THEY GOT PAID BACK FIRST. THERE WAS NO HELP FOR HOMEOWNERS.

CHAIRMAN BERNANKE TELLS US THAT HOUSE SOMETHING THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM. AND IF WE DON’T FIND A FLOOR TO THE HOUSING MARKETS, WE MAY NEED BAILOUT AFTER BAILOUT, UNFORTUNATELY. AND THIS BILL HAD NO PROTECTION FOR HOMEOWNERS. I KNOW SECRETARY PAULSON SAID THAT THE GOVERNMENT OWNS A LARGE SHARE OF THE BONDS, THAT THEY WILL HAVE MORE ABILITY TO RENEGOTIATE MORTGAGES AND AVOID FORECLOSURES. BUT, FRANKLY, IS THAT HOPE OVER REALITY. BECAUSE THE BONDS ARE NOW BROKEN UP IN 40TRAUNCHES AND IF THE GOVERNMENT TENS, 15, 25, OR EVEN 30, IF ONE TRAUNCH HOLDER OBJECTS TO REFINANCING, IT WON’T HAPPEN. WE NEED HELP FOR HOMEOWNERS BEYOND WHAT IS IN THE LEGISLATION. AND
WE NEED TOUGH OVERSIGHT. THIS IS A TOUGH DEMOCRACY. WE ARE KNOWN FOR OUR CHECKS AND BALANCESES. IT HAS SERVED AMERICA WELL FOR OVER 200 YEARS. AND IN AN UNPRECEDENTED TAKING OF POWER TO GIVE SO MUCH POWER TO THE TREASURY SECRETARY WITH NO ONE LOOKING OVER HIS SHOULDER WOULD BE, FRANKLY, NOT THE AMERICAN WAY. AND SO WE NEED TOUGH AND STRONG OVERSIGHT. NOW, THE THIRD POINT I WISH TO — SO POINT ONE, WE WILL WORK UNTIL WE GET THIS DONE. EVEN IF IT MEANS STAYING PAST RECESS.

…AND SO WE NEED THE PRESIDENT TO GET THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE IN ORDER. EVEN IF WE WERE TO WANT TO PASS A BILL WITH JUST DEMOCRATIC VOTES, WE COULD NOT. IT’S OBVIOUS. LOOK AT THE MATH. AND SO WE NEED TO HAVE THIS BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. WE BEGAN IT YESTERDAY UNDER CHAIRMAN DODD AND CHAIRMAN FRANKS’ LEADERSHIP WHEN WE MET IN THIS CHAMBER — IN THIS BUILDING, AND REALLY CRAFTED OUT A REALLY GOOD COMPROMISE THAT WAS A BASIS TO TAKE TO SECRETARY PAULSON. IT DID FAR MORE FOR TAXPAYERS, FOR HOMEOWNERS, FOR OVERSIGHT THAN THE EXISTING BILL. UNFORTUNATELY, HOWEVER, WE NEEDED A FOUR-LEGGED STOOL AND ONE LEG JUST VANISHED, THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS, IN A WAY THAT NONE OF US STILL UNDERSTAND. IN ADDITION SENATOR McCAIN’S DESIRE, EVEN THOUGH HE HADN’T BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS LEGISLATION AT ALL, TO FLY IN, PUT ANOTHER FLY IN THE OINTMENT AN CREATED MORE TROUBLE. SENATOR — AND CREATED MORE TROUBLE. SENATOR McCAIN, I HAVEN’T HEARD HIM OFFER ONE CONSTRUCTIVE REMARK. WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HE SUPPORTS. DOES HE SUPPORT THE HOW’S PLAN?

DOES HE SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT’S PLAN. BY ALL REPORTS HE HARDLY SPOKE AT THE MEETING, WHICH WAS HIS OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING. HE SPOKE AT THE END AND DIDN’T SAY WHAT HIS VIEWS WHEREAS TO WHETHER HE SUPPORTED EACH PLAN. AND SO WE REALLY NEED TWO
MR. PRESIDENT, ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE. AND WE NEED PRESIDENT BUSH TO TAKE LEADERSHIP. WE NEED PRESIDENT BUSH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, TO GET THE REPUBLICAN HOUSE MEMBERS TO SUPPORT HIS PLAN OR MODIFY IT IN SOME WAY TO BRING THEM ON BOARD, YET KEEP THE DEMOCRATIC HOUSE MEMBERS, THE REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF THE SENATE AND THE DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS OF THE SENATE ON BOARD. AND,

[ram]{09:45:31} (MR. SCHUMER) { NOT AN OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT }
SECOND, WE NEED THE PRESIDENT TO RESPECTFULLY TELL SENATOR McCAIN TO GET OUT OF TOWN. HE’S NOT HELPING. HE IS HARMING. WHEN YOU INJECT PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS INTO SOME OF THE MOST DIFFICULT NEGOTIATIONS UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, IT IS FRAUGHT WITH DIFFICULTY. BEFORE McCAIN MADE HIS ANNOUNCEMENT, WE WERE MAKING GREAT PROGRESS. NOW AFTER HIS ANNOUNCEMENT, WE ARE BEHIND THE 8 BALL. WE HAVE TO PUT THINGS BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. SO THIS IS A PLEA TO PRESIDENT BUSH, FOR THE SAKE OF AMERICA, PLEASE GET YOUR PARTY IN LINE. GET THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS TO BE MORE CONSTRUCTIVE, GET SENATOR McCAIN TO LEAVE TOWN AND NOT THROW FIRE ON THESE FLAMES. AND MAYBE WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE. IN FACT, NOT MAYBE. WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO GET SOMETHING DONE. SO, AGAIN, TO REITERATE MY THREE POINTS:

ONE, FIRST, WE WILL WORK UNTIL WE HAVE A PRODUCT. THE PERILOUS STATE OF OUR FINANCIAL MARKETS AND OUR NATIONAL ECONOMY, THE DANGER TO AVERAGE AMERICANS NOW UNFORESEEN BUT REAL AND LURKING BEHIND THE SHADOWS SAYS WE CAN DO NOTHING ELSE. TWO, WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK FOR A BETTER PLAN THAN THE ONE THE PRESIDENT PROPOSED, WITH PROTECTION FOR TAXPAYERS, HOMEOWNERS, AND REAL OVERSIGHT. AND, THREE, THE PRESIDENT MUST GET HIS REPUBLICAN HOUSE IN ORDER BY GETTING THE HOUSE REPUBLICANS IN LINE AND ASKING SENATOR McCAIN RESPECTFULLY TO LEAVE TOWN, BECAUSE WITHOUT REPUBLICAN COOPERATION WE CANNOT PASS THIS BILL. I YIELD THE FLOOR.

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Update 11:33am Eastern: McCain resumes campaign activities, will attend debate tonight in Oxford, Miss.

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  1. #470444
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:16 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Take a loook at the percentages of other Illinois state senators and you will find he was not out of the norm.

    Conclusion: If you are an average Illinois State Senator you have the right stuff to the POTUS. COSMIC!!

  2. #470445
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:17 pm, ThatSamIAm said:

    Schumer, Reid, Pelosi, Frank and Dodd have no credibility. What they say does not matter. They are the biggest part of the problem. My dog is more capable of fixing the financial crisis than either of them.

    These are the socialist democrats that blame America for all the problems in the world, never take responsibility for anything that goes wrong, and want you to believe they are the only ones that can solve the problem.

    You want to fix Washington? Kick these dumbass socialist democrats out of office. The only people more pathetic than this group is those that vote for them and allow them to be in office.

  3. #470446
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:18 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:10 pm, TheOtherSide said:
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, sonofdy said:
    Please. For most of his time in both senates the guy didn’t even vote on anything.
    In the state senate, how many times did he not vote? Or are you talking about the 3.5% of the time he voted “present” as not voting. Take a loook at the percentages of other Illinois state senators and you will find he was not out of the norm. As far as U.S. Senate, he’s voted more often than McCain during their tenure together.

    I think I’m more concerned with what he voted against. Namely, the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. What sort of despicable human being do you have to be in order to deny medical care to a child who survived an abortion? Don’t answer that. He’s your fauxssiah!

  4. #470449
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:10 pm, Flyoverman said:

    You have that opinion, because you agree with Obama’s opinion. That’s judgement, not qualifications.

    No I have that opinion because it is fact. Are you telling me that Palin has more knowledge of foreign policy, ecomonics, and the constitution than Obama? Sure you may disagree with Obama’s conclusions…that is your judgement.

  5. #470450
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:22 pm, California Red said:

    Seems to me that Schumer and Reid are saying that McCain caused the “The Bush-Pelosi-Reid Bailout” to be delayed a few days to ensure better taxpayer protections.

    I can live with that. Now get out of town John and crush the debate.

  6. #470451
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:24 pm, Lan Astaslem said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:01 pm, TheOtherSide said:
    8 years in the Illinois state senate. 3+ years in the U.S. Senate. Pretty much the same qualifications of Lincoln.

    Hmm… That’s a pretty tall comparison, dontcha think? I was curious, so I went to the Library of Congress website to see just how many bills / resolutions Obambi has actually sponsored in this session — and no, I did not include those that he just attached his name to. These are what he actually sponsored. Seems like there were five that actually made it through the Senate. Wanna know what they were?

    1) S.CON.RES.25 : A concurrent resolution condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society.
    2) S.CON.RES.96 : A concurrent resolution commemorating Irena Sendler, a woman whose bravery saved the lives of thousands during the Holocaust and remembering her legacy of courage, selflessness, and hope.
    3) S.RES.133 : A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.
    4) S.RES.268 : A resolution designating July 12, 2007, as “National Summer Learning Day”.
    5) S.RES.600 : A resolution commemorating the 44th anniversary of the deaths of civil rights workers Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, and Michael Schwerner in Philadelphia, Mississippi, while working in the name of American democracy to register voters and secure civil rights during the summer of 1964, which has become known as “Freedom Summer”.

    Now, while I’m sure that these are very worthwhile resolutions, I really struggle to agree with your assertion that this rises to the level of Lincoln’s accomplishments. (Feel the sarcasm dripping on your head?) The LOC online database doesn’t go back to Lincoln’s day, so I can’t query that as easily, but please feel free to come back again with another lame argument. We love smackin’ ‘em back over to your side of the court! ;)

  7. #470453
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, MtsEdge said:

    I just called my Congressman’s office. His staffer said calls were 30-2 in opposition to the bailout. (The 2 said we need to “do something…”) But 95% of callers are OPPOSED TO THE BAILOUT.

  8. #470454
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    No I have that opinion because it is fact. Are you telling me that Palin has more knowledge of foreign policy, ecomonics, and the constitution than Obama? Sure you may disagree with Obama’s conclusions…that is your judgement.

    Knowledge, smoledge. It’s the application of that knowledge that’s important.

    Obama’s foreign policy knowledge lead he to whitewashing his website because he was wrong on the surge.

    Obama’s economic knowledge? I’ve yet to see it applied. All Democrats talk about raises our taxes and do so whenever they get the chance.

    Obama’s knowledge of the Constitution doesn’t matter. As is the case for most Dems. They look to circumvent it at every turn. Obama’s no different.

    What else you got?

  9. #470455
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, swmbo said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:16 pm, Flyoverman said:
    Take a loook at the percentages of other Illinois state senators and you will find he was not out of the norm.
    Conclusion: If you are an average Illinois State Senator you have the right stuff to the POTUS. COSMIC!!

    Oh Dear God, You haven’t looked at the state of Illinois finances lately. We are close to needing a bail out ourselves.

  10. #470456
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    He’s deathly afraid of the debates

    Yeah, I think “afraid” was the word the Vietnamese used too.

    “We beat him every day but he still doesn’t look afraid.”

  11. #470457
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, txvet2 said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    Are you telling me that Palin has more knowledge of foreign policy, ecomonics

    Maybe, maybe not, but at least she can spell it. For sure, she knows more about it than you do. Obama hasn’t shown any sign that he knows anything beyond what he reads on his teleprompter.

  12. #470458
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, freeus said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, bmac727 said:
    It is now oh so clear what the Obama O symbol stands for – Zero!

    So true, so true!

    I am concerned though that McCain is going to have trouble getting the truth out. He is going to have to put in place many of his buds in the Senate. He has been hesitant to call them out in the past. Well, except for those on OUR side.

    The MSMLSD’s are mocking McCain and saying he did not accomplish anything and this was nothing but a political stunt that has now backfired. I wonder. It seems most people in flyover country do not support this bailout bill and have been flooding the lines of communication in Washington demanding this bill gets killed. As Rush has been saying, the House and Senate could pass this thing without the House GOP.

    But I am still nervous about tonight and how McCain is going to politically attack THE MANCHILD and his Senate cronies in order to win this election. Will the truth come out? Will the American people see the truth and know Obama is indeed a ZERO? God help us!

  13. #470461
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    lead he = lead him

  14. #470462
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, xler8bmw said:

    #195 Otherside.

    What knowledge of foreign policy does BHO have besides his 300+ sources?

    What local, state or federal budgets has he managed?

    Why does he know the constitution better than her because he went to law school? I went to law school and know it just as well as he does. Oh and by the he wants to put SC judges on the bench to legislate the constitution. If you he really knew the constitution he would know the Judicial branch is the weakest branch (the founders did it on purpose) and SC judges are bound by the constitution to INTERPRET the constitution!

    Get a Clue!

  15. #470463
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, sonofdy said:

    theotherside: No I have that opinion because it is fact. Are you telling me that Palin has more knowledge of foreign policy, ecomonics, and the constitution than Obama?

    Yes and far more experience at actualy governing people.

  16. #470464
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, flenser said:

    Are you telling me that Palin has more knowledge of foreign policy, ecomonics, and the constitution than Obama?

    I will tell you that, and I’ll challenge you to explain why you think differently.

    Please, go ahead and cite your evidence that Barack Obama has a good grasp of economics, to pick just one area.

    That is only true if your think that belief in socialism equals knowledge of economics.

    But go ahead, I want to see your response on this.

  17. #470466
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, John Deaux said:

    It seems that warnings about this scenario go back further than we might have thought.

    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
    Thomas Jefferson
    3rd president of US (1743 – 1826)

  18. #470467
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:31 pm, right_on said:

    Just in from Fox News…Agreement due by midnight tonight.
    I want to see the details!

  19. #470468
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:31 pm, RedDog said:

    Wasn’t it Harry Reid who only last week was whimpering and wringing his hands saying “We don’t know what to do! We don’t know what to do! We never had to deal with someting like this before!” I thought the gutless coward was going to cut his own wrists and throw himself from the podium.

    The Republicans should turn the screws on them. Demonstrate the Democrats’ culpability then make them pass their own stinking bill. The American people know who these traitors are.

  20. #470469
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, flenser said:
  21. #470471
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, right_on said:

    Wasn’t it Harry Reid who only last week was whimpering and wringing his hands saying “We don’t know what to do!

    Exactly. So, was he being dishonest then, or is he being dishonest now? He kind of blurrs the lines on honesty whenever he opens his mouth.

  22. #470472
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, txvet2 said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, xler8bmw said:

    SC judges are bound by the constitution to INTERPRET the constitution!

    Hate to quibble with a fellow conservative, but I really don’t think this is accurate. I hate it when people use the word “interpret” in this context, because that implies that they have some leeway. IMO, it should be phrased that they have the obligation to apply the law. If it needs to be interpreted, that is a Congressional failure, which should be corrected by Congress.

  23. #470474
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, xler8bmw said:

    #211 Flenser

    How about when he wanted to go to the UN about Russia invading Georgia……oooppps they have veto power!

  24. #470476
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, txvet2 said:

    #206
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:28 pm, sonofdy said:

    Yes and far more experience at actualy governing people.

    And she can chair a meeting without blowing it up.

  25. #470477
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:36 pm, sonofdy said:

    And she can chair a meeting without blowing it up.

    The chair of the meeting? ;-) :lol:

  26. #470478
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, sonofdy said:

    oh crap of = or.

  27. #470480
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:15 pm, akoypinoy said:

    Re-read my post.. there was nothing personal in it. It was a generic ‘anyone’ reference. ;)

    Time to go back to the Chiefs locker for some more coffee? lol

  28. #470481
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, txvet2 said:

    Either. Of course, blowing up the chair would be more in the line of a suicide bombing, i.e. Democrat politics.

  29. #470483
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, flenser said:

    In the Chicago gathering before an Obama-friendly hometown crowd, the subject turned to trade in general and the North American Free Trade Agreement in particular, which bothers union members fearing job losses. Obama said upon becoming president, “I would immediately call the president of Mexico, the president of Canada, to try to amend NAFTA, because I think that we can get labor agreements in that agreement right now.”

    Problem is, as some Harvard graduates might know, our next-door neighbor Canada doesn’t have a president. For more than 140 years now it has had a parliamentary system and …the top political leader is the prime minister, who is the head of the controlling party in Parliament.

    Is that a small thing? Probably. But gaffe’s just like that are used to try to make Palin seem ignorant.

  30. #470484
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, xler8bmw said:

    #213

    The SC is to ONLY interpret the constitution! No quibbling here!

    You might want to go back and look in history pertaining much to James Madison.

  31. #470485
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:41 pm, Meloff said:

    Thank you, Michelle, for staying on top of all of this. I have forwarded many of your posts to everyone I know – and I’m someone who never forwards things to people.

    Today, I contacted all the Republicans on the Senate Banking Committee, my Senators and Representatives, House Republican Leader Boehner, the House Republican Conference and more. This craziness has got to stop.

  32. #470486
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:41 pm, Goldwater Knight said:

    Are you telling me that Palin has more knowledge of foreign policy, ecomonics

    OBVIOUSLY Obama has more experience with the economics of making a 100K in grant money dissapear for one of his campaign buddies. Economic wizardry.

  33. #470488
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    flenser said:
    Obama, the foreign policy expert in action.

    Yeah, I loved his “I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated”

    Nobody except Bush, McCain, Patraeus, the Army, the Marine Corps, al Qaeda (not that they liked it, but I bet they anticipated it)…

  34. #470490
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:45 pm, flenser said:

    How about when he wanted to go to the UN about Russia invading Georgia

    Even better, how about when he wanted to go to war with Pakistan? Now that’s what I call a foreign policy expert!

    I’m sure that TOS will be along shorty to explain the strategic genius behind this idea. Or is it another item that Obama has flip-flopped on?

  35. #470491
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:46 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Problem is, as some Harvard graduates might know, our next-door neighbor Canada doesn’t have a president.

    And Couric was all over this, and Larry King ran the clip over and over and…

    No wait, they didn’t, “gotchas” are only for the right.

  36. #470492
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, b-cat said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, AlohaGuy said:
    Nobody except Bush, McCain, Patraeus, the Army, the Marine Corps, al Qaeda (not that they liked it, but I bet they anticipated it)…

    HAHAHAHA!!!! Glad I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that! :lol:

  37. #470494
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:49 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Even better, how about when he wanted to go to war with Pakistan? Now that’s what I call a foreign policy expert!

    I’m sure that TOS will be along shorty to explain the strategic genius behind this idea. Or is it another item that Obama has flip-flopped on?

    Let’s not forget the talks with Iran with NO Pre-conditions

  38. #470495
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:49 pm, fmfnavydoc said:

    Rabid,

    Retired Senior Chief here…got any extra coffee???

  39. #470496
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:49 pm, right_on said:

    Is Obama more knowledgeable about the marketplace, and how money works, than is Palin? Probably…consider these questions;

    Since taking public office, which one, Palin or Obama has increased their net worth the most?

    How? By working hard for a paycheck, or by “gaming” the system?

  40. #470498
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, swmbo said:

    Here is the important work Obama is doing today while Rome burns.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/0908/Obama_In_town_working_out.html?showall

    Working Out ? Give me a break, his priorities are certainly different than mine.

  41. #470499
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:51 pm, jsr said:

    Another Obama foreign policy idea:

    Obama said if elected in November 2008 he would be willing to attack inside Pakistan with or without approval from the Pakistani government

    Yes, attacking and destabilizing a very tentative and already unstable ally would be a the sign a of a foreign policy wizard and put him in the ranks of greats like Jimmy Carter.

  42. #470502
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, ThatSamIAm said:

    Being able to google different topics does not make you an expert on foreign policy. Just like being a “community organizer” does not make you experienced to be president.

    MCCAIN/PALIN! COUNTRY FIRST!

  43. #470504
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, abqalan said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    No I have that opinion because it is fact.

    Huh?

    Facts are facts. Opinions are opinions. Unless one is talking about Obama. Then facts and opinions are one and the same. I’m getting a headache.

  44. #470506
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, flenser said:

    TheOtherSide has gone very silent.

  45. #470508
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:49 pm, fmfnavydoc said:

    LOL, no such luck… I’m too busy stripping and waxing my P-Way again today. But Senior, I swear my eagles were facing inward this morning….

  46. #470510
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm, conservativesRus said:

    TOS – talking about Obama’s experience. There are two ways to look at “8 years in the Illinois Senate” experience.
    8 years
    -or-
    one year 8 times.
    Voting present repeatedly indicates to me Obama’s experience is of the latter type.
    As far as 3 years in the US senate – do we get to deduct time out campaigning for POTUS? Given that he’s never even convened a meeting of the committee for which he’s chair, I think we can conclude he doesn’t really have much US Senate experience.
    Of course, you knew all that already and you really don’t care what his experience is or results have been. You will worship at his feet regardless.

  47. #470511
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, fmfnavydoc said:
    Mav’s opening statement at the Debate…

    I would give a LOT of money to hear McCain say those things. But he won’t. He seems to think he has to be nicer than that, unfortunately. It is time to call Obama on the carpet and force him to answer the tough questions. He has had a “pass” for too long!!

  48. #470512
    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:59 pm, madchef said:

    Ten bucks says Obama shows up in Oxford, England for the debate. “but..but they said it was on FOREIGN POLICY”….

    The guys an IDIOT!

  49. #470518
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Obama, headphones, baseball hat, hitting the gym. Spotted working out this a.m. at the Washington Sports Club, near Adams Morgan/Kalorama, from 7:30a – 8:20a.

    The Washington Sports Club – it’s not at Walter Reed is it?

  50. #470519
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, flenser said:

    Here is Obama the “constitutional law expert” speaking about judges.

    What you’re looking for is somebody who is going to apply the law where it’s clear. Now there’s gonna be those five percent of cases or one percent of cases where the law isn’t clear. And the judge has to then bring in his or her own perspectives, his ethics, his or her moral bearings.

    Wrong answer. If the law is not clear then the job of judges is NOT to make it up based on their own “perspectives, ethics, moral bearings”. They are supposed to say “the law is silent on this matter – it’s up to the legislature to legislate on it”.

  51. #470521
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, jsr said:

    Does anybody know what Obamas plan is for Georgia? Because the rumor here in Atlanta is he would order a pre-emptive occupation and send troops here to defend us from the Russians. Hopefully they will bring some gas with them to ease the wait in gas lines which, according to Obama, can’t be helped by more drilling.

  52. #470522
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, oldedude said:

    If all John McCain managed to do was delay Chuck “I broke Indymac” Schumer and Harry “Clueless” Reid from passing off this hoax until the American Public could find out the truth about it, then he is much more Presidential than Barack “Phone(y) it in” Obama and that fraud in the White House could ever be!

  53. #470525
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, xler8bmw said:

    #244 LOL! If one of my professor were to here that answer about the SC judges he would’ve failed me.

    It will be interesting if the lawsuit gets his Harvard Records unsealed. He propbably only graduated the paralegal studies!

  54. #470526
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, xler8bmw said:

    Sorry I meant HEAR that answer!

  55. #470528
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, Digshot said:

    Which one is it? Is he afraid to debate McCain or did he go to D.C. to assist?

    Um, unequivocally, he went to DC because he doesn’t want to debate. You guys will buy anything.

    Yes, the all that experience Obama has with practicing how to debate should come in handy against McCain.

    Now we’re railing against the concept of ‘practice,’ are we?

    Laughable.

    There won’t be a cone of silence for you libs to hide behind this time.

    I don’t need to hide behind anything. McCain is the one that tried to duck out of one of the most important components of an American presidential campaign.

  56. #470529
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:07 pm, CWinNY said:

    TOS,

    Before comparing Obama’s credentials to Lincoln’s, you should be aware that Lincoln has been estimated to have had an IQ above 150. Obama – just read a transcript of any debate answer or press conference and you would be hard pressed to rate his IQ in triple digits.

  57. #470531
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:07 pm, txvet2 said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, xler8bmw said:

    #213

    The SC is to ONLY interpret the constitution! No quibbling here!
    You might want to go back and look in history pertaining much to James Madison.

    From Wikipedia:

    No part of the Constitution expressly authorizes judicial review, but the Framers did contemplate the idea. Alexander Hamilton wrote,
    “ The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution, is, in fact, and must be regarded by the judges, as a fundamental law. It therefore belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought, of course, to be preferred; or, in other words, the constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents.

    I don’t want to threadjack here, but
    wasn’t it actually Marbury vs. Madison in which the SC took upon itself the responsibility to “interpret” the Constitution? I would guess from the quoted passage that you probably meant Hamilton rather than Madison since it bears out your view, but then it doesn’t mean I necessarily agree with either one of them on the point, and in any case it’s only Hamilton’s opinion, not part of the Constitution. Anyway, I’m not a constitutional scholar like the Obamessiah. I only have my own views, uninformed though they may be.

  58. #470532
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:08 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Hopefully they will bring some gas with them to ease the wait in gas lines which, according to Obama, can’t be helped by more drilling.

    If you had inflated your tires the way his ego is inflated, you’d be getting about 100 mpg…

    Gas lines in Georgia must be very nostalgic for Jimmy Carter.

  59. #470534
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:08 pm, flenser said:

    Obama as State Senator.

    Jones had served in the Illinois Legislature for three decades. He represented a district on the Chicago South Side not far from Obama’s. He became Obama’s ­kingmaker.

    Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city’s most popular black call-in radio ­program.

    I called Kelley last week and he recollected the private conversation as follows:

    “He said, ‘Cliff, I’m gonna make me a U.S. Senator.’”

    “Oh, you are? Who might that be?”

    “Barack Obama.”

    Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

    “I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen,” State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. “Barack didn’t have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

    “I don’t consider it bill jacking,” Hendon told me. “But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the one-yard line, and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book.”

    During his seventh and final year in the state Senate, Obama’s stats soared. He sponsored a whopping 26 bills passed into law — including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced.

    He’s a puppet, nothing more. That’s why he can’t speak without a teleprompter.

  60. #470536
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:09 pm, right_on said:

    Obama, headphones, baseball hat, hitting the gym.

    Listening to Stuart Smalley from a SNL skit, no doubt…
    “I am smart, good looking, and gosh darnit, I deserve it!”

  61. #470538
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    McCain is the one that tried to duck out of one of the most important components of an American presidential campaign.

    You’re full of it.

  62. #470558
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, flenser said:

    Where did all the Obama supporters go?

    Facts to liberals are like garlic to vampires.

  63. #470563
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, conservativesRus said:

    Actually I’m like Obama – very concerned about Georgia. They have had it rough this year. First they had to deal with a drought. Then the Russians invaded. Then they’ve had hurricane threats and a coup too – where different groups keep claiming the capital. One group in Atlanta, the other in Tbilisi. Right now the US government recognizes the one in Tbilisi as that is where we have our embassy.

  64. #470568
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, right_on said:

    Aloha-

    Ignore di*sh*t…like most liberals, it’s not the truth that matters, it’s how much they can distort the truth to suit the positions that matter most to them. They cannot stand to be perceived as being wrong.

  65. #470571
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:21 pm, Gorebot said:

    Both Osama and Obama are soaking in opportunistic glee over all of this.

    And I’ve no doubt that this is not the only thing they have in common with each other.

  66. #470578
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Um, unequivocally, he went to DC because he doesn’t want to debate. You guys will buy anything.

    Are you voting for Bob Barr too?
    The man who called for more debates doesn’t want to debate Obama, who has to practice. Riiiiiight.

    Now we’re railing against the concept of ‘practice,’ are we?
    Laughable.

    In the context of you thinking that McCain is somehow attempting to back out of a debate with someone who’s practicing, is laughable. And not to mention moot. The debate will go on tonight and we’ll see who has the last laugh.

    I don’t need to hide behind anything. McCain is the one that tried to duck out of one of the most important components of an American presidential campaign.

    Again, moot. The debate will go on tonight.

  67. #470580
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, Digshot said:

    You’re full of it.

    How so? He did try to get out of it, did he not?

  68. #470581
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Aloha-

    Ignore di*sh*t

    Gotcha. ;)

  69. #470586
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, xler8bmw said:

    #251 I take nothing from Wiki.

    It seems all you law scholars missed the point though the Constitution doesn’t layout the specifics of the Judicial Branch the founding fathers made it quite clear that they were to interpret NOT legislate the constitution. Marbury v Madison wasn’t what I meant I meant, James Madison Federalist 10. While you’re at read all of the Federalist papers.

    Now if you would like to say my professors were wrong please do!

  70. #470587
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:28 pm, jsr said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, conservativesRus said:

    Then the Russians invaded.

    And that is on top of the Mexican invasion. Good thing I speak Spanish or I’d have too move back to the US. I wonder what Obama’s policy is on this? Oh , now I remember: family re-unification (bring more here).

    Man, that guy is a genius.

  71. #470597
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    “We know [McCain] didn’t do it because he’s afraid because Sen. McCain wanted more debates,” Clinton said, adding that he was “encouraged” by the joint statement from McCain and Sen. Barack Obama.

    “You can put it off a few days; the problem is it’s hard to reschedule those things,” Clinton said. “I presume he did that in good faith since I know he wanted — I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country and so I don’t think we ought to overly parse that.”

    Ouch! That’s gonna leave a mark

    For sure.

  72. #470600
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, Digshot said:

    Are you voting for Bob Barr too?
    The man who called for more debates doesn’t want to debate Obama, who has to practice. Riiiiiight.

    I wish Obama had accepted that little ‘challenge.’ It’s probably smarter politically to not agree to challenges from your opponent when you’ve got an edge in momentum, but I wish he’d done it all the same. Better for everyone.

    But at this point in time, I don’t know how you could conclude that McCain does want to debate Obama, especially when you consider the state of the economy and McCain’s de-regulatory record. The McCain campaign has been shielding Sarah Palin from virtually all public scrutiny, and that’s what McCain tried to do here.

    In the context of you thinking that McCain is somehow attempting to back out of a debate with someone who’s practicing, is laughable. And not to mention moot. The debate will go on tonight and we’ll see who has the last laugh.

    Grammar? No idea what you’re trying to say here.

    Again, moot. The debate will go on tonight.

    It says something about McCain. There have been a lot of pathetic moments in the past 8 years brought to us by both Republicans and Democrats, but trying to back out of a Presidential debate has to take the cake.

  73. #470602
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, Lan Astaslem said:

    #265 – 30: Where’d that come from? That’s classic!

  74. #470605
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    He did try to get out of it, did he not?

    He did not. The emphasis in the AP story below is mine. If delaying is “being afraid” as you have previously said, then it’s your guy who seems to be the coward. My own take is that it was sensible to delay given the circumstances and neither are cowards, but you keep insisting that McCain is afraid. In any event, after you have been through what McCain has – then say he’s afraid.

    “WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican John McCain said Wednesday he wants to delay Friday’s debate with Democratic rival Barack Obama and temporarily put aside their partisan campaign to resolve the nation’s financial crisis.

    McCain’s announcement came after the two candidates held private talks about joining forces to address the Wall Street meltdown. The Obama campaign said the Democrat initiated the talks, but McCain beat Obama to the punch with the first public statement calling for the two to rise above politics in a time of crisis.”

  75. #470606
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    T

    he coins show Senator Obama’s face, along with a picture of the White House and the legend “President of the United States of America”.

    Is this part of his plan to address the economic crisis?

  76. #470614
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, nlebou said:

    Lan, I think it was in an interview with Greta Vansustrin (sp?)

  77. #470618
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Digshot,

    Really, I’m done indulging you. You repeat the same tripe over and over. The debate will go on tonight as scheduled. Later.

  78. #470619
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, Lan Astaslem said:
    #265 – 30: Where’d that come from? That’s classic!

    Here.

  79. #470620
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:41 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Digshot,

    Really, I’m done indulging you.

    Same here. Ok I said that once before, but thought I’d flesh out my “full of it” for him… :)

  80. #470623
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:42 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Alohaguy,

    He gives lgm a run for his money. ;-)

  81. #470637
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, HomeoftheBrave said:

    Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, needs to become more educated on the beginnings of this debacle. I recommend the attached link sent to me by a colleague:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

    This link shows just how many democrats (by name) have had their grubby fingers all over this. It’s just deplorable that the loudest mouths “blaming” McCain and others, are the real culprits. We need to spread the word. This could be Obummer’s undoing!

  82. #470638
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, Digshot said:

    He did not. The emphasis in the AP story below is mine. If delaying is “being afraid” as you have previously said, then it’s your guy who seems to be the coward. My own take is that it was sensible to delay given the circumstances and neither are cowards, but you keep insisting that McCain is afraid. In any event, after you have been through what McCain has – then say he’s afraid.

    CNN reported that he was hoping to delay this debate until next Thursday and they would cancel the VP debate because Palin cannot deal with anything extemporaneously. That’s pretty pathetic, it speaks to the wisdom of McCain’s choice of Palin, their confidence level, and how they would behave in office, i.e., dodging the press 24/7.

    And I’ve never said he was afraid, have I? I’ve said he doesn’t want to debate. So stop putting words in my mouth.

    I don’t care that he was a POW, by the way. So you can rip up that little card.

  83. #470643
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:50 pm, Digshot said:

    Digshot,

    Really, I’m done indulging you. You repeat the same tripe over and over. The debate will go on tonight as scheduled. Later.

    Uh… okay?

  84. #470647
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, xler8bmw said:

    #275 thanks for your input. I believe most here know that the CRA of 77 and the expansion in 92 were the causes.

    Now how smart do you think you are?

  85. #470651
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm, flenser said:

    CNN reported that he was hoping to delay this debate until next Thursday and they would cancel the VP debate because Palin cannot deal with anything extemporaneously.

    Have you ever heard Obama attempt to speak extemporaneously? “Painful” does not begin to describe it. For his sake they’d better allow teleprompters at the debate.

  86. #470653
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pm, Digshot said:

    Since I have everyone running away from me now, I’d like to suggest Glenn Greenwald’s post this afternoon as a destination.

    ‘Flailing panic’ is just about as perfect a description of the McCain campaign’s nonsense this week as it gets.

  87. #470658
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, Digshot said:

    Have you ever heard Obama attempt to speak extemporaneously? “Painful” does not begin to describe it. For his sake they’d better allow teleprompters at the debate.

    Heh, heh.

    Yeah.

    Find me the worst video of Obama that you can find, I’ll find you the best video of Palin I can find, which as far as I know, consists of two ten minute interviews. We’ll see what’s painful then.

  88. #470659
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, flenser said:

    I think you’re boring everyone to tears with your rote recitation of Obama talking points, combined with your laughable attempt to say “Who? Me? An Obama supporter?”

  89. #470660
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, Lan Astaslem said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pm, Digshot said:
    …I’d like to suggest Glenn Greenwald’s post…

    BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Greenwald — ack! You just kill me!
    /sarc

  90. #470665
    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, Digshot said:

    I think you’re boring everyone to tears with your rote recitation of Obama talking points, combined with your laughable attempt to say “Who? Me? An Obama supporter?”

    I’m going to vote for Obama, yes. And I guarantee you that I’d be saying the exact same thing about him if he tried to wiggle out of this debate, but he didn’t. McCain did. That’s who we’re talking about.

  91. #470669
    On September 26th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, emjem24 said:

    Those saying that McCain caved into joining the debate in Mississippi need to realize that Americans need to hear from both these candidates. McCain has also made the “gesture” to return to Washington and make sure that some decent bailout bill is created.

    I think that there are many, on both sides, that mischaracterize McCain’s move. He only “temporarily” suspended his campaign to address what is a weak issue for him. If he hadn’t addressed this bailout crap, he would have looked more weak.

    We’ll have to see what happens in the debate and in the polls.

  92. #470673
    On September 26th, 2008 at 3:02 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 1:21 pm, TheOtherSide said:

    No I have that opinion because it is fact. Are you telling me that Palin has more knowledge of foreign policy, ecomonics, and the constitution than Obama?

    This quote, “No I have that opinion because it is fact.” is illogical.

    Webster defines an opinion as, “a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter; opinion implies a conclusion thought out yet open to dispute.”

    You cannot tell me with certainty who has more knowledge in any subject area. I can tell you from his own utterances that Obama has no clue what Memorial Day is for. Did you see his memorial Day remarks? STUNNINGLY STUPID! How can you be 48 and not know what Memorial Day is?

    Again you have the impression Obama has more knowledge, therefore he is the best choice. So what? Remember the class brain from HS who had the 4.0 GPA , but had the common sesne of a rock? Misapplied knowledge is valueless.

    Foreign policy? We follow his policy, we lose Iraq and the Mideast folds. He’s an idiot. Been there… saw 300,000 Vietnamese and 1.8 million Cambodians executed. On Septemebr 12, 2001, I told my wife, “We are going to invade Iraq.” I knew why then. Obama still doesn’t know, nor will he ever.

    Economics? His policies are “progressive” policies from the 1920’s and 30’s that universally failed. THAT IS A HISTORICAL FACT. Name one successful socialist country?

    The Constitution? Like all libs, Obama thinks it is a living document. That view is a “no go.”

    Judgement is “the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing.” Obama’s ability to perform that intellectual exercise is in my opinion dismal.

  93. #470675
    On September 26th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, flenser said:

    I’ll find you the best video of Palin I can find, which as far as I know, consists of two ten minute interviews.

    Sounds like you know nothing, if that’s as far as you know.

    It might be wise to bone up on a subject before running your mouth on it.

    As for Obama, even the comics are laughing at him.

  94. #470677
    On September 26th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, John Deaux said:

    On September 26th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, Digshot said:
    How so? He did try to get out of it, did he not?

    I think you’d be hard pressed to find anybody that would be willing to say McCain has EVER backed down from a fight. Especially a debate with Uh-Um-Obama. Frankly, that’s his best quality.

  95. #470681
    On September 26th, 2008 at 3:08 pm, flenser said:

    I’m going to vote for Obama, yes.

    Get OUT! Well, I never saw that one coming. And you seemed so objective too.

    And I guarantee you that I’d be saying the exact same thing about him if he tried to wiggle out of this debate, but he didn’t.

    !) You would back up Obama if he was found in bed with a dead girl and a live boy. Spare me the dishonesty.

    2) Obama DID “wriggle out” of the proposed debates. McCain suggested many debates where ordinary people could have asked questions. The brave and bold Obama wriggled like a worm.

    3) You don’t get to announce what debates are mandatory.

  96. #470684
    On September 26th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, Rob said:

    THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AND, OF COURSE, WE LIVE IN VERY PERILOUS TIMES, OUR ECONOMY, PARTICULARLY OUR DEBT MARKETS AND OUR CREDIT MARKETS ARE IN VERY SERIOUS SHAPE. TO PARAPHRASE CHAIRMAN BERNANKE, THE ARTERIES OF THE PATIENT, OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM, IS CLOGGED AND THE PATIENT WILL GET A HEART ATTACK. WE DON’T KNOW IF IT WILL BE TOMORROW OR SIX MONTH FROM NOW OR A YEAR FROM NOW

    Why is he yelling?

  97. #470685
    On September 26th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, flenser said:

    I’m going to vote for Obama, yes.

    Then let’s reset this discussion.

    Please explain why you think that Obama is qualified to be President.

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