Yesterday, a Guardsman here in WA State told me the Guardsmen’s absentee ballots from Iraq were “accidentally” routed to Alaska and not counted in time for the gubernatorial election in 04.

Now, because our Guard are now headed back to Iraq, they are (rumor has it) planning to bring an Air Guard plane back to McChord AFB (Tacoma) with the ballots. I love the NG’s do-it-our-way attitude.

Going around the Governor to get the votes counted. That’s my state…

Omu said: I don’t need anecdotes. That statistic is far too largely in favour of Obama for it to be a polling mistake or whatever

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Looks to me Omu must be talking about British troops by the way they spell favour compared to the American version which is favor.

One other thing Omu, what ever statistics you think you have you may want to check the source. I live and work with the troops in Iraq and have been to multiple bases here in Iraq for the past year and a half. I have talked to far more than 1,000 troops (probably more than 5,000 troops) and I can tell you from my experience that maybe 1 in 10 is voting for Obama the rest are voting McCain. They may not agree with McCain on some issues (especially immigration), but they want a Commander In Chief that truly believes in them and doesn’t just pretend. The troops were not very impressed with Obama when he came through in July. He told them what he wanted to hear and did not listen to what the troops had to say or what they felt (not to mention it appears that his trip was more a way to try to interfere with the current SOFA negotiations than anything) So before you go believeing your polls (probably got the information from the fake soldiers gropu Winter Soldiers 2)try talking to the troops yourself you might have an epiphany that will destroy your pre-conceived liberal beleifs about the military.

navywife91 wrote:

I’m still waiting for you to tell me how many active duty military members you personally know since you are such an expert on how we feel.

I don’t need anecdotes. That statistic is far too largely in favour of Obama for it to be a polling mistake or whatever. You know 4 or 5 military families that support McCain; I have statistics that take into account thousands of soldiers. I wish I could be more magnanimous, but I’m afraid I have to say this: I win, and your claims that Obama doesn’t understand the military are intensely misinformed.

What gays are being persecuted? They have the same rights the rest of us do right now. I think hate crimes are bullsh*t. You know why? Because, to me, it doesn’t matter what color you are or what your sexual orientation is, if someone assaults you, kills you, etc. I believe in justice.

The gays that have to deal with constitutional amendments that seek to place discrimination against them into state constitutions and even the US constitution. That’s persecution and it isn’t Democrats that are doing it. The gays that get fired from their jobs because of their sexual orientation, but have no protection under the law because of neocon scum preventing ENDA from passing for so long. That’s persection. The gay and lesbian teenagers who are bullied constantly but know that Republican controlled school boards will never allow anti-gay bullying measures in their schools. That’s persecution. If you don’t understand the meaning of a hate crime, then I suggest you read up on it a bit and find out why the concept exists for certain minorities.

And to top it all off, the gay people in the South who know that once they fall in love like the rest of us do, they’ll never have the chance to have their relationship recognised in any way.

Republican persecution of gays and lesbians is absolutely outrageous and I get so annoyed even thinking about what you people put the gays through!

In the 2004 election of Rossi v Gregoire, Gregoire eventually one after Rossi had one the original vote count and the automatic recount. It was not until the tribes paid for the 2nd recount that Greogoire prevailed (which she then renegotiated the gambling compact to remove profit sharing with the state costing the state aprox 1.4 million a year in revenue). Gregoire one by 129 votes; yet there were roughly 1600 ballots from the 81st BDE (WA State National Guard) that were not counted due to them not arriving in time (not to mention the hundreds of lost overseas ballots that King County never found though show that were delivered to them). The estimate of those 1600 ballots not counted were almost 80% for Rossi. The state legislature worked to move the primary up so that this would never happen again.

With that being said, Gregoire and the State Democratic Party realized that she would not have one her first election if the military ballots had been counted. That is why this looks like it was an attempt to disenfrachise the military oversead ballot once again.

I say this as Gregoire and the Democrats brought the issue of Rossi using GOP back in June but said they did not choose to file a suit back in June prior to the ballots being printed and mailed (and soem ballots have already been receied by the SoS office already).

The timing of this lawsuit coupled with the events in 2004 are highly suspect and lead one to believe that this was an attempt to try to ensure the military vote (which is very Conservatve) did not count.

On another note, the claim that people would be confused by the GOP label is bogus. Rossi and Gregoire ran against eachother in 2004 in a highly contested and publicised election and election challenge court case. Since 2004 there has been numerous stories regarding the 2004 election. Plus there has been quite the advertising flurry for the past 6 months on behalf of both candidates. This election has been cited in numerous MSM stories as a rematch of the 2004 election. With all the publicity of this election in WA if a voter does not know who Rossi is and what party he belongs too they are probably not voting to begin with.

Republicans are mostly homophobic, yes. It doesn’t take sophistication to realise that it’s not Democrats that are persecuting gays and denying them even basic rights like protection under the law against hate crimes.

You are by far one of the biggest ninnies I’ve ever heard. All you do is call Republican and Conservatives names. What gays are being persecuted? They have the same rights the rest of us do right now. I think hate crimes are bullsh*t. You know why? Because, to me, it doesn’t matter what color you are or what your sexual orientation is, if someone assaults you, kills you, etc. I believe in justice. You are the one who is qualifying the crime. And BTW, you’re the one who accused us of not being sophisticated. As far as I’m concerned that makes you an elitist, like so many of your peers.

How about the fact that the troops are donating to Obama 6:1 over McCain?

You always quote that same statistic, but not all military members have the money to donate. Not to mention the fact that there are over 2.3 million active duty and reservists who obviously haven’t all donated or those numbers you site would be much higher. I’m still waiting for you to tell me how many active duty military members you personally know since you are such an expert on how we feel.

Alas,
I don’t expect you to answer that question just as you never answered my question the other day.

Please provide proof that the troops dislike Republicans!

How about the fact that the troops are donating to Obama 6:1 over McCain?

Your constant blanket statements, like this, and yesterday’s “Republicans are always homophobes and morons” just proves that you are the one without “sophistication.”

Republicans are mostly homophobic, yes. It doesn’t take sophistication to realise that it’s not Democrats that are persecuting gays and denying them even basic rights like protection under the law against hate crimes.

a lawsuit claiming that GOP gubernatorial candidate Dino Rossi “confused” voters by identifying himself as “GOP” instead of “Republican.”

Those confused voters would be the “urban outdoorsmen” sleeping on benches in Pioneer Square. The ones listing city hall as their address.

So….I relent.

I think I just saw a pig fly.

On September 26th, 2008 at 5:01 pm, Omu said:
Has anyone acknowledged the very obvious reason this candidate altered his affiliation? It’s because he knows the troops dislike Republicans. The Republican brand is dead. He was trying to confuse voters with this sly change. Why deny it?

OMU

I’m sure you’re out there somewhere! Please provide proof that the troops dislike Republicans! I’m sure you know tons of military people who feel that way, right? My husband is in the military and has been for 20 years. I know not one military family who supports Obama or any liberal Democrat for that matter. Just like most liberals, you speak only from emotion without an ounce of fact to back up your statements. Your constant blanket statements, like this, and yesterday’s “Republicans are always homophobes and morons” just proves that you are the one without “sophistication.”

Sometimes, I just don’t know why I bother.