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1. #475580
   On September 29th, 2008 at 5:04 pm, happyscrapper said:

   On September 29th, 2008 at 4:57 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:
   Try having no income, no prospect of income, living on a dirt floor week after week with a thin blanket to cover you on cold nights. I’ve been there – not in this country though. That’s not the half of it.

   I may frame this post. It could be the single funniest post I have ever read.

   I agree! ROLFLMAO! This is one pessimistic dude!

2. #475582
   On September 29th, 2008 at 5:05 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

   Your sitting somewhere in the middle of the work day on a computer, probably with a cable modem attempting to get others to wring their hands about some so-called personal experience you “CLAIM” to have experienced.

   Dosen’t really strike me as all that awful from here.

   Nice sympathy play though.

   however with all that mush, you still ignore how the liberals took us to this point in time.

   Not buying it

   Thanks though

3. #475586
   On September 29th, 2008 at 5:06 pm, FilmLadd said:

   On September 29th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, mpChops said:

   Threats of discomfort are not enough for me to sell out.

   These are the most entertaining kind of comments. They are usually uttered by those that have never experienced anything close to what they describe.

   It’s easy to be fearless of something that you truly don’t believe you’ll have to deal with.

   At one point in my life I was homeless for over a year. I clawed my way up without one damned collectivist handout. Now I live a good life due to my own hard work.

   I would give it all up and go back on the streets if it meant having to be a slave to the State.

   Stick that in your collectivist pipe and suck on it hard.

   Perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim!

4. #475589
   On September 29th, 2008 at 5:07 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

   Amen Film Ladd

5. #475592
   On September 29th, 2008 at 5:08 pm, uhangtight said:

   i second that amen, Film Ladd…

6. #475593
   On September 29th, 2008 at 5:09 pm, vickisoup said:

   I can see that nyc123me is very scared, and is drawing on a personal experience as a basis for fear, which I honor as being real. I don’t belittle that. Sharing hope is what helps people.
   God bless, nyc123me.

7. #475594
   On September 29th, 2008 at 5:09 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

   happyscrapper

   Just to be clear only the last two sentences were mine

   not the homeless rant

8. #475600
   On September 29th, 2008 at 5:11 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

   Vicki Soup she is blessed.

   I assume she is an American

   That is the blessing the rest of the world claws its way to get here for.

   For themselves and their children

   That is a blessing!

9. #475610
   On September 29th, 2008 at 5:15 pm, DanME said:

   I am a conservative Republican, but I also have a brain. Today I am extremely angry at the Republican conservatives who voted no on this bill. I will put my future in the hands of the Fed Chief before or I will put it in the hands of some politicians who apparently don’t have a clue. I put Michelle in that same bin on this issue. Apparently Michelle doesn’t have a clue either. This is a sad day for America. I would now say that Obama will win by a landslide. The Republican party has lost his brain.

10. #475615
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:18 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Republicans had nothing to do with this vote.

    Democrats have a majority in the House
    and could not get their own members to support it.

    All democrats had to do was vote yes.

    Even they turned it down.

11. #475618
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:20 pm, billcollier said:

    Sen. John Kyl, what a sellout tool. “The key thing is not to affix blame.”

    When JUSTICE says, “let us not affix blame” then there is no justice!

    AZ GOP’ers, yall need to get rid of this guy as soon as you can, he is a Corporate Socialist.

    THERE IS BLAME: the blame is the Dems with GOP acquiescence.

    JOHN KYL, go on vacation you corporate socialist.

12. #475619
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:20 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:15 pm, DanME said:

    I am a conservative Republican, but I also have a brain. Today I am extremely angry at the Republican conservatives who voted no on this bill. I will put my future in the hands of the Fed Chief before or I will put it in the hands of some politicians who apparently don’t have a clue. I put Michelle in that same bin on this issue. Apparently Michelle doesn’t have a clue either. This is a sad day for America. I would now say that Obama will win by a landslide. The Republican party has lost his brain.

    You’re not a conservative. You’re a pragmatic collectivist. You think it’s okay to have some socialism – just a little bit more slavery – to bail you out on your 401k, or to win the next election, or whatever.

    Today was a great day for freedom.

    We just have to hold the course and protect ourselves from the vampire next time. Because it will be back. The collectivist b*tch is in full-blown heat.

13. #475620
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:20 pm, vickisoup said:

    DanME, this is not a Republican or Democrat problem. It’s an American problem. Blaming others is why nothing can get done in Washington anymore.
    Nancy Pelosi, as House Speaker, has not learned that. Harry Reid, as Senate Majority Leader, has not learned that.
    They are the party in power and they actually do hold the power, but seem unable to get over their victimhood to get anything done.
    It is why their approval rating has been in freefall for the past two years.
    When they stop blaming and start acting like grownups, they will be better leaders. Nobody wants to follow the crybaby with a load in their pants.

14. #475621
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:20 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:09 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:
    happyscrapper

    Just to be clear only the last two sentences were mine

    not the homeless rant

    Ha! Yes, I got that! Actually, I am feeling a bit guity for ridiculing nyc. He may be coming from a totally different place than the rest of us, and if he is legitimate, we should have compassion.

15. #475629
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, jsr said:

    The bailout scares me more than no bailout. It would only put off the day of reckoning and make it worse. It will not even begin to solve the foreclosure problem or oversupply in the market, which will have to work itself out over a period of years. What we will have to do some day is simply cut government spending and balance the budget. Even if it means raising taxes to pay for the party, but no new programs or money down the drain, like this bailout. We have been living in a financial la-la land where everbody gets everything and nobody is left out. The party is over and it is time to face reality.

    There will be a good deal of suffering but in the end it will be unavoidable. I work in the construction industry and know the hit we will be taking: it is going to be ugly. However, we survived Jimmy Carter and we will survive this crisis. (BTW, I lived in a third world country for 4 years. I know what suffering is and am convinced that is where we are heading unless we face this thing down, not avoid it). One silver lining will be watching all the youthful Obama supporters finding out how bountiful the Bush years were and what real economic pain looks like.

    Just out of curiosity, does anybody remember the so called “friction free economy” and end of recessions that was being trumpeted by the internet new economy gurus back in the 90’s. People would roll their eyes at me when I used to try to explain that the information age only meant people would make bad decisons and overreact more quickly than before, instead of making calm rational decisons that would prevent economic meltdowns. Where are all those new economy gurus now?

16. #475632
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:30 pm, Marie said:

    Was this a “rope a dope”? The big $$$ bill was allowed to be written up by a bunch of Democrats. Bush’s effort to reach across I guess. At least everyone now knows this Freddie and Fannie biz is a bunch of crap. (a good thing) Also, Russia and other anti-American markets are tanking and they may not weather stuff the way USA can. We may be weakened, but what if our enemy’s are put out of business but good? Oil is down to $95 and that is going to hurt Iran. All bad stuff has a bright side. By the way, anytime someone tells you that you have to act immediately or else, Go for the “or else”. Buying a pig-in-the-poke is an old saying. Lots of people don’t know what that is. This bill was a pig-in-a-poke.

17. #475635
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:30 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    nyc is a guy?

    I thought he was a she.

    Jeez I should have added grow a pair.

    You are right though about not ridiculing someone else. I agree with that, but cannot stomach in this great country someone bellyaching.

    When I know the greatness of this county first hand. This country gives each and everyone of us Opportunity.

    I grew up dirt poor. I do not blame America, I blame my father and grandfather for not working harder.

    I know the only way to get ahead is to ahve a plan. Never blame someone else for my own shortocmings. And never expect it to be easy.

    Never think you are entitled to the sweat of another mans brow.

    Thank GOD everyday for your being here in America.

    If you are not here in America pray for the guidance to allow you to emigrate “Legally” to America.

    I could go on but I know you get it

18. #475637
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:32 pm, uhangtight said:

    DanMe, you missed the 90 Democrats that voted NO on this? So, go ahead and get angry at the Repub party, as has been mentioned, San Fran Gran Nan did not need a single repub vote. she could have passed this, but for one sad thing, she couldn’t get the rest of her dem congress critters to vote Yea on this..maybe you don’t have the brain you thought you did…

19. #475638
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:32 pm, vickisoup said:

    Just out of curiosity, does anybody remember the so called “friction free economy” and end of recessions that was being trumpeted by the internet new economy gurus back in the 90’s.

    You mean where 18 year olds were being recruited out of high school into $80k/year tech jobs, becoming MOP’s in two years when the companies went public, and then were broke again in 5 years? I do. You are so right about bad decisions and the perils of overreacting.

20. #475640
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:32 pm, emjem24 said:

    mpChops said:
    These are the most entertaining kind of comments. They are usually uttered by those that have never experienced anything close to what they describe.

    It’s easy to be fearless of something that you truly don’t believe you’ll have to deal with.

    Where the hell do you get off? Who the hell do you think you’re talking to? You paint those you don’t even know with a broad brush.

    I’ve lived through hard times. I know what it’s like to grow up with 2 parents, and one of those parents being out of work and the entire family living on one salary- under 30k. Spare me.

    I know what it’s like to be a struggling grad student with no health care and working a dead-end job that paid my basics and not much else. I had so thin a budget that it squeeked. My roommates made fun of me for eating Ramen every night while they lived beyond their means and ate out all the time.

    I know that my pathetic excuse for a Roth IRA will be hit. It wasn’t that much to begin with because it’s been unwisely managed. I’m now considering all measure to protect my personal/family investments.

    What is your solution? Hmmmm? What do you advise the average employee who doesn’t have a 401K and rather has to find other resources to save their pennies and plan for their retirements?

    I fully recognize how bad things can get because my 76 year old father grew up during the Great Depression. I’m 33 years old and have an insight about that period in time that many of my peers will never have and can barely comprehend if they did. I’ve always lived within my means and had a budget (something that is beyond comprehension to the idiots who contributed to this financial crisis). I’ve worked hard all my life and I’m telling you right now that these politicians have no right to screw ME over because they fouled up this economy and decided to ignore it.

    Reexamine the situation. Please. Your assumptions make a fool out of you and everybody else.

21. #475639
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:32 pm, billcollier said:

    John Kyl says he wants to “teach us”… we need to “teach” him: we will not be bullied or frightened into accepting socialism!!!!

    http://kyl.senate.gov/

22. #475650
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:35 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Just to be clear on the bailout.

    I am not 100% opposed to government intervention in some way.

    I am 100% opposed to ignoring the facts which led up to this mess.

    Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer and “Several” others have to go.

    At the heart of this problem is liberalism. Till that is addressed we are simply wallpapering over a hole in the wall with winter storms approaching. How is that for an analogy?

    I hate analogies!

    Till the people who led us to this point are dealt with, NO DEAL!

23. #475657
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:38 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Retired and on a fixed income, but my husband just reassured me that we have a very diversified portfolio and should be fairly safe. We will lose some, but we do have a pantry full of
    Ramen Noodles. No worries.

24. #475663
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:40 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    happy Scrapper

    My wife and I have several good Bean and corn bread recipes

    God Bless you!

    WE’LL BE OK TOO!

25. #475664
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:41 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:35 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:
    Just to be clear on the bailout.

    I am not 100% opposed to government intervention in some way.

    I am 100% opposed to ignoring the facts which led up to this mess.

    Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer and “Several” others have to go.

    At the heart of this problem is liberalism. Till that is addressed we are simply wallpapering over a hole in the wall with winter storms approaching. How is that for an analogy?

    I hate analogies!

    Till the people who led us to this point are dealt with, NO DEAL!

    I agree. But they shouldn’t just be fired. They need to go to prison. Their actions were criminally complicit in this whole thing. They think they are so powerful that they will get away with it. Oh, how the mighty will fall!

26. #475669
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:43 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:40 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:
    happy Scrapper

    My wife and I have several good Bean and corn bread recipes

    God Bless you!

    WE’LL BE OK TOO!

    Beans and corn bread…Yum! God bless you too!

27. #475673
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:46 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    I grew up eating pinto beans and cornbread. I consider it a delicacy.

28. #475674
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:46 pm, vickisoup said:

    Buy some seeds for a few pennies, plant them, grow some veggies, mix ‘em with Ramen noodles and, voila! That is not a bad meal, actually.

    Now that I’m putting it all out there, it is my belief that, if there was no welfare, poverty in America would virtualy cease to exist. If we knew that our neighbor’s next meal or well-being depended upon our kindness toward them, they would be given what they needed. Even if I were broke, perhaps especially if I were broke, I would do everything within my power to take care of them with the blessings God has given me, and I believe you would, too.
    Sharing out of our own need is what makes this country great.

29. #475677
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:47 pm, franksalterego said:

    It’s dropped less than 5 percent.

    So, a corporation with a Billion Dollar market cap. is only down $50 Million.

    A Million here…A Million there…Pretty soon, we’ll be talkin’ ’bout real money.

    right?

    [rolls eyes]

30. #475680
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:50 pm, nyc123me said:

    FYI yes I am male. I am not young, but I am not retirement age just yet either. I lived most of my life overseas. I moved to USA in 2001. I am an adult student trying to make something of myself through hard work and almost no income. If you don’t believe me, I don’t care.

31. #475682
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:51 pm, edelweiss said:

    Hi again! I’m back! (well sort of…)

    My dad sent me this link to my mailbox and I just wanted to share it with you. Read it and pls tell me what you guys think about it.

32. #475683
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:51 pm, vickisoup said:

    I believe you, nyc123me, and I care.

33. #475684
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:51 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:47 pm, franksalterego said:

    It’s dropped less than 5 percent.

    So, a corporation with a Billion Dollar market cap. is only down $50 Million.

    A Million here…A Million there…Pretty soon, we’ll be talkin’ ’bout real money.

    right?

    Let it drop 10%! 20%! 50%!

    I do not exist for the State! I will not be a slave to big socialist corporations for so-called economic security!

    It is NOT THE GOVERNMENT’S JOB to PROTECT ANYONE’S 401K!

    Freedom is worth 100% of the market’s value!

34. #475686
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:53 pm, franksalterego said:

    It’s dropped less than 5 percent.

    I wonder if, our little blogger will be so blah-zay, when Corporate America lays off 5% of their workforce to compensate.

35. #475687
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:54 pm, vickisoup said:

    Interesting article, edelweiss, if not surprising.

36. #475688
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:54 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:51 pm, edelweiss said:

    Hi again! I’m back! (well sort of…)

    My dad sent me this link to my mailbox and I just wanted to share it with you. Read it and pls tell me what you guys think about it.

    I think most big corporations LOVE socialism and collectivism. They LOVE having the government protect them from competition and small business.

    You idiot socialists never seem to get that you’re fighting FOR what the big corporations want! All the while ranting about how “greed” and “big corporations” are evil.

    Moronic collectivist pawn!

    A posse ad esse non valet consequentia!

37. #475689
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:54 pm, nyc123me said:

    Thanks again Vickisoup, it helps.

38. #475690
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:54 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    DanME, this is not a Republican or Democrat problem. It’s an American problem.

    Yeah, but just maybe it doesn’t require a socialist solution. Or to the extent it does, the corrupt and outrageously incompetent government officials who let this happen (Frank, Dodd et al) should be charged with every credible criminal offense (influence-peddling, bribe-taking etc.) and forced to resign.

    In any other country, such officials would already be in disgrace, in jail (or in places like china) in the ground.

    If we allow these perps to “skate” we will deserve every bit of misery they have created.

39. #475692
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:55 pm, vickisoup said:

    OK, scarier than the market’s drop today? The picture of Nancy Pelosi on the drudgereport home page.
    

40. #475693
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:56 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:54 pm, nyc123me said:

    Thanks again Vickisoup, it helps.

    I believe you. I was in your position. And you can work your way out of it on your own!

    Collectivism is NOT the answer.

41. #475694
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:56 pm, vickisoup said:

    fulldroolcup, read all of my comments. We are in agreement.
    My point was that Dems need to stop blaming and start doing something, but they never seem to learn.

42. #475695
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:57 pm, happyscrapper said:

    There isn’t a very long growing season here in Minnesnowda, but my husband and I always buy a lot of things when they are on sale and we have a very large, fully stocked pantry. We also believe in eating up our leftovers! I even sometimes re-use aluminum foil, a habit I picked up from my dear old mom.

43. #475698
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:58 pm, Marie said:

    Re: Drudge photo. Does Nancy Pelosi have lock jaw? Now that would be a good thing!

44. #475699
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:58 pm, davidcaskey said:

    After reading most of the comments, it is clear that you most of your don’t really have much in the way of education or insight. In other words that you can understand, you are as dumb as a rock. The bill was bad, the government made the crisis, so we are all feeling better that we stopped them from allowing us to get screwed. Or did we.

45. #475700
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:59 pm, vickisoup said:

    Marie, it could just be too much botox.
    

46. #475701
    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:59 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:50 pm, nyc123me said:
    FYI yes I am male. I am not young, but I am not retirement age just yet either. I lived most of my life overseas. I moved to USA in 2001. I am an adult student trying to make something of myself through hard work and almost no income. If you don’t believe me, I don’t care.

    What country did you come from?

47. #475702
    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:00 pm, vickisoup said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:58 pm, davidcaskey said:
    After reading most of the comments, it is clear that you most of your don’t really have much in the way of education or insight.

    This made me piddle.

48. #475706
    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:01 pm, JonB said:

    Faith does not guarantee life or exemption from extreme hardship, nor is the USA exempt from the 7 seals.

49. #475709
    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:02 pm, nyc123me said:

    Ironic. The Fed is pumping an additional $630 billion into the system anyway. Great. Maybe that will stop things crashing as hard, but I doubt we’ll see any of it back. I think I need to step away from the computer for a while.

    FilmLadd, yeah I know – I wouldn’t be here doing it in the first place if I thought there was no point.

50. #475712
    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:03 pm, abqalan said:

    For the first time in my adult life I am proud of Congress!

51. #475715
    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:07 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    David we have not stopped anything.

    They are simply going back for more discussions behind the scenes which you and I will never know about. Probably??

    Thus we will be revisiting this issue later this week or next.

    Will that legislation be any better than this? Who knows.

    Between now and then expect the newsmedia to ratchet up the doom and gloom predictions.

    Will they come true? Again who knows.

    But if all they have to do to make us do what they want is to ratchet up fear. Then we’re screwed already.

    As I stated earlier, I am not 100 % against some type of intervention.

    However I do not trust the people who caused this crisis to correct it any better than they wrecked it.

52. #475722
    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:12 pm, LC said:

    I would happily give all my money and every one of my worldly possessions in exchanged for freedom from the tyranny of a Socialist government. God has Blessed me and I want to make sure my kids can enjoy these same liberties in their lifetimes.

    nyc123me – make sure you understand what this bailout would mean (in it’s current form) to the country. You came to America for a reason. Think about that before you “vote” to throw it all away.

53. #475723
    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:12 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    I just saw this quote on a DRUDGE link.

    “We are now in the golden age of thieves. And where I come from we put thieves in jail, we don’t bail them out.” — Rep. Pete Visclosky, Democrat.

    While I do not know who he means, I agree with the sentiment.

    I simply think the first in line should be Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, among others.

    We can add to this list, but I doubt anyone would remove any of these names.

54. #475753
    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:35 pm, flenser said:

    As I stated earlier, I am not 100 % against some type of intervention.

    Likewise. But if it’s going to happen, I’d like to see it involve reversing the stupid decisions which led us to this point. For instance, CRA should be scrapped. No bank should ever be pressured to lend money to bad credit risks. And Fannie and Freddie should be scrapped or made completely private.

    I could, reluctantly, go along with some sort of bail-out. But they MUST correct the underlying problems. Otherwise we’ll just go through this all over again in another dozen years.

55. #475758
    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:39 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:40 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    happy Scrapper

    My wife and I have several good Bean and corn bread recipes

    I make a mean mayonaise sandwich! When time are tough, I can cut back to air sandwiches too.

56. #475762
    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:42 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Here is my one piece of relatively serious financial advice. (note that it is free)

    Now might not be the time to invest in the ‘dietary aids’ or the ‘male performance enhancing’ markets!

57. #475768
    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:53 pm, AnotherBrian said:

    I know that a lot of you are cheering that the bail out did not pass, but let me point out one thing.

    A 800 point drop in the stock market is never a good thing. Ever.

58. #475776
    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:59 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    A 800 point drop in the stock market is never a good thing. Ever.

    Per my post on the other thread.

    777 points is a trillion dollar loss.
    

    So that means we have 13.33 Trillion to go.

    Times are tough all over

59. #475782
    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:03 pm, Milwaukee Mike said:

    After reading most of the comments, it is clear that you most of your don’t really have much in the way of education or insight.

    Yes, most of the most of us don’t. Mostly

60. #475783
    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:03 pm, hayroller15 said:

    Hear, Hear! FilmLadd #408

61. #475792
    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:06 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    I know that a lot of you are cheering that the bail out did not pass, but let me point out one thing.A 800 point drop in the stock market is never a good thing. Ever.

    Again, it isn’t even on the top 10 list if you use a percentage basis.

    Mike Rogers from Michigan voted no, and was on the radio later. I was really optimistic after hearing him. He outlined a 3 point plan that wouldn’t cost the taxpayers a dime.

    Of course, I’ll bet the Democrats would never sign on to a plan like that.

62. #475807
    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:15 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:03 pm, hayroller15 said:

    Hear, Hear! FilmLadd #408

    Thank you.

    On September 29th, 2008 at 6:53 pm, AnotherBrian said:

    I know that a lot of you are cheering that the bail out did not pass, but let me point out one thing.

    A 800 point drop in the stock market is never a good thing. Ever.

    If it means my freedom and the freedom of my children, it’s a great thing. A glorious thing. A thing to be celebrated.

    Are you saying your freedom is worth 777 points?

63. #475811
    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, cicerokid said:

    franksalterego said:
    It’s dropped less than 5 percent.
    I wonder if, our little blogger will be so blah-zay, when Corporate America lays off 5% of their workforce to compensate.

    As long as it’s the 5% tht makes up the illegal population…

64. #475816
    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:21 pm, Joy said:

    Earlier I was convinced someone had posted a link to the wrong bill… but apparently I simply didn’t understand how THIS could be the bill title!

    BILL TITLE: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide earnings assistance and tax relief to members of the uniformed services, volunteer firefighters, and Peace Corps volunteers, and for other purposes

    What is up with THAT?

65. #475821
    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:25 pm, cicerokid said:

    nice quote old college guy #428. Visclosky is a Hoosier Rep that voted “nay” on this piece of art…

66. #475826
    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:33 pm, CleanGuy said:

    I guess we can thank Pelosi. If she hadn’t opened her tight lips, this might have passed.

67. #475830
    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:40 pm, vickisoup said:

    Interesting that the Dow lost 777 points. Bible prophecy is big on 7’s.

68. #475834
    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:45 pm, CO2 Producer said:

    Paul Ryan said aye. What the—

69. #475835
    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:46 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    “In Wall Street and Hollywood, the profits tend to come in great big packets, and everyone wants a piece,” said Crystal, a former Bloomberg columnist. “Whether it’s the movie `Dark Knight’ or a huge merger deal, he who can make it rain, he who can bring everyone to the theater, can earn whatever he wants.”

    Until the rain stops.
    (from edelweiss’ link)

    It’s also helpful if you can tell the difference between rain, and someone peeing on you.

70. #475845
    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:55 pm, vickisoup said:

    $700 billion bailout proposal, the Dow sinks 777 points, or 7 percent in value….that’s a whole lotta 7’s.
    Not sure if it means anything but just sayin’….

71. #475854
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:05 pm, Rob said:

    I know that a lot of you are cheering that the bailout did not pass, but let me point out one thing. A 800 point drop in the stock market is never a good thing. Ever.

    Maybe it is time for survival of the fittest? Let the welfare losers die, the illegals go home.

    Would I give a large portion of my wealth to get rid of the Mexicans and the Black gang members???

    YES! I would live in a safe country, rather than in the hip hop taco shop that Southern California has become.

72. #475861
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:14 pm, vickisoup said:

    Rob, ouch. Your comment hurts even the reader.
    

73. #475867
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:16 pm, Marie said:

    Yuppers, this was a “rope a dope” tactic
    as I listen to Rove on Fox News.

    Palosi didn’t want this to pass. She wanted it to fail to blame Repubs.

74. #475870
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:17 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    448.
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:16 pm, Marie said:

    Yuppers, this was a “rope a dope” tactic
    as I listen to Rove on Fox News.

    Palosi didn’t want this to pass. She wanted it to fail to blame Repubs.

    Yep, and Odumbo’s poll numbers are increasing. It’s working for them. Wonderful. Now we’re going to have socialized (nationalized) banking system, along with healthcare. Oh boy, I can’t wait.

    NOT.

75. #475871
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:18 pm, Atlanta Media Guy said:

    Senator Shelby
    Shelby of Alabama had a letter signed by 200 economists from Universities and Think Tanks from around the country. In the meeting with Bush Thursday, the president said “I don’t care what college professors think.” Shelby walked out of the meeting right then. Bush was pushing this through because he was worried about his legacy. My Rep. Dr. Tom Price (R) voted No and I am proud of him. This was not a time to socialize Wall Street. I’m calling my broker tomorrow and going to look for some deals to buy on the DOW and NASDAQ. All weekend long Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Dodd and Frank were blaming all this on the GOP yet their fingerprints are all over this mess. The GOP has 35 days to make sure the undecideds get the message. I bet they do! This election will go down in history as the wildest. Let’s hope there is a landslide on November 4th, or lawyers will be descending on Secretary of States like no other time before. Time to Rock the Vote and help McCain/Palin return some civility to DC.

76. #475875
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:23 pm, traveler49 said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 5:58 pm, davidcaskey said:
    After reading most of the comments, it is clear that you most of your don’t really have much in the way of education or insight. In other words that you can understand, you are as dumb as a rock.

    Davidcaskey, your are right mosetly. My education are not mosetly good.

77. #475877
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:25 pm, Rob said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:14 pm, vickisoup said:
    Rob, ouch. Your comment hurts even the reader.

    Here in what has become Mexian, Black land.. it hurts every damn day.

    I go for a walk in my neighborhood with my wife, and I get HARD looks from the blacks and Mexicans sitting in groups on the curb or in the driveways in an area that ten years ago was safe and nice.

    I went to the 7/11 yesterday to get gas, and a loud, rap-playing, car full of young gang member blacks sat at blared their noise and acted tough.

    Even the signs are becoming Mexican.

    It HURTS you to read it? How about living it?

    Mexico, coming to a neighborhood near you….

78. #475879
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:29 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:40 pm, vickisoup said:

    Interesting that the Dow lost 777 points. Bible prophecy is big on 7’s.

    I’m not a believer but that struck me as odd too.

    Also found it odd that Shep Smith rounded up to 778 for his report. Weird.

    Alea iacta est!

79. #475880
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:31 pm, AnotherBrian said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 7:15 pm, FilmLadd said:
    

    If it means my freedom and the freedom of my children, it’s a great thing. A glorious thing. A thing to be celebrated.

    Are you saying your freedom is worth 777 points?

    Well, let’s put it this way: Your freedom isn’t worth a whole lot when the companies that employ you are going out of business.

    People have to face facts. If you want to earn money, you give up a certain amount of your freedom.

    The economy in a melt down is not conducive to freedom.

80. #475881
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:32 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:25 pm, Rob said:

    It HURTS you to read it? How about living it?

    I grew up in New Orleans. CA has lots of pretty bad spots, but nothing on the Fischer Housing Projects pre-Katrina (haven’t been to N.O. since then so I can’t say what it’s doing these days).

    Any caucasian stupid enough to walk through it back then would likely meet death in a few seconds.

81. #475883
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:36 pm, Rob said:

    If it means my freedom and the freedom of my children, it’s a great thing. A glorious thing. A thing to be celebrated.

    Are you saying your freedom is worth 777 points?

    Pehaps we DON’T want to earn more money if it means we can’t live in a safe and sane place live.

    We love the internet, but is all the sex, porn crap worth it?

    If we all have to live in tents cooking over firewood, but don’t have to deal with the losers that get welfare, steal, tag, deal drugs, kill our children, get free lunches..etc.,

    Perhaps, we would be a hell of a lot safer and happier.

    Perhaps THAT is real freedom.

82. #475887
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:40 pm, Rob said:

    Any caucasian stupid enough to walk through it back then would likely meet death in a few seconds.

    My wife is NOT allowed out after dark by herself here in Southern California…. it is like Nightmare On Hellstreet, and realize, this was an area that used to be a Leave it to Beaver “hood” not long ago..

83. #475888
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:40 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:31 pm, AnotherBrian said:

    Well, let’s put it this way: Your freedom isn’t worth a whole lot when the companies that employ you are going out of business.

    People have to face facts. If you want to earn money, you give up a certain amount of your freedom.

    The economy in a melt down is not conducive to freedom.

    What? What? You’ve missed out on a lot of discussions on this subject in previous posts.

    Let’s establish a few things.

    When you earn money you are engaging in freedom. Money is the transmission of value between two people. If you work for me, you are willingly giving over your time for money, and vice-versa.

    You do not “surrender” your freedom. You are engaging in a contract to perform work. This contract is engaged in of your own free will.

    If the company I work for goes out of business, I am free to work elsewhere! I am free to start my own business! I am free to go eat grass in the park!

    But what no human being should ever be able to do is use the STATE to CONFISCATE money from other people to protect an INVESTMENT.

    THAT IS EVIL.

    Let’s get another thing straight.

    No one forced anyone to sell their stocks today! No one forced anyone to buy stocks today!

    People could have refused to sell their stocks at the prices offered. They had their reasons to sell. LET THEM.

    The government is not GOD. It can not wade in and determine who should win and who should lose. It does not have the OMNISCIENCE to determine what prices should be in the stock market.

    I say it again: my freedom is NOT WORTH 100% of the Dow Jones Industrial Average!

    Caeci caecos ducentes!

84. #475892
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:41 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:40 pm, Rob said:

    My wife is NOT allowed out after dark by herself here in Southern California…. it is like Nightmare On Hellstreet, and realize, this was an area that used to be a Leave it to Beaver “hood” not long ago..

    It’s a stupid question probably, but why not move?

85. #475893
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:45 pm, Rob said:

    It’s a stupid question probably, but why not move?

    sigh… yeah…

    They tagged on the fence next door two days ago…

    Sure, this is the time to sell.. ha…

    I think the 1950’s was the time to live…

86. #475898
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:49 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:45 pm, Rob said:

    Sure, this is the time to sell.. ha…

    I think the 1950’s was the time to live…

    Don’t give up! There are always options if you work at it. I just sold my house two weeks ago and made a pretty good profit.

    It wasn’t easy though.

    Had to do dry wall work, painting, cleaning. Moved out all of my stuff into a storage unit. Took six months of working at it. Lot of sore muscles.

87. #475899
    On September 29th, 2008 at 8:50 pm, hayroller15 said:

    Hear, Hear! again FilmLadd #458
    Tell ‘em how it is.

88. #475907
    On September 29th, 2008 at 9:02 pm, RockyR said:

    Stock market declines are very healthy when the wealth that is “destroyed” during the fall never really existed in the first place. Who here understands what gives the stock market value? The dollar? Who here recognizes a buying opportunity when they see one?

    Who here understands that when a society consumes more than it produces it is living on borrowed time?

    At least today’s turn-of-events make the Presidential election meaningful, again… sort of.