The Senate votes: Crap Sandwich 2.0 with sugar on top passes 74-25
Scroll for updates…roll call vote added…
The vote is underway.
Will they spit or swallow the Crap Sandwich?
Stand by for the tally…
At 9:16pm Eastern, C-SPAN counts 54 Yeas, 18 Nays.
At 9:18pm Eastern, it’s 65 Y, 19 N.
The Nays include Bunning, Barrasso, Dole, DeMint, Allard, Sanders, Sessions, Shelby, Stabenow, Wyden, Vitter, Tester, Nelson (Fla.), Roberts…
The Senate swallows.
Official announcement:
The Yeas are 74 and Nays are 25.
Back to the House.
Redouble those phone calls and faxes.
9:21pm Eastern. Harry Reid is patting himself on the back.
Sugar on top of the Crap Sandwich:
After one spectacular failure, the $700 billion financial industry bailout found a second life Wednesday, winning lopsided passage in the Senate and gaining ground in the House, where Republicans opposition softened.
Senators loaded the economic rescue bill with tax breaks and other sweeteners before passing it by a wide margin, 74-25, a month before the presidential and congressional elections.
9:45pm Eastern. The “Dodd amendment” — the crap sandwich — having passed, the Senate now just also voted 74-25 to pass it as an attachment to the mental health parity legislation.
The Beltway talking point is now that opposition in the House has softened and that public opposition is softening, too.
Kindly disabuse Washington of that notion: 202-224-3121.
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Roll call vote is not up yet on the Senate website. There were 25 bailout busters (15 Republicans, 10 Democrats).
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And on behalf of my idiots from VA, I apologize. One will be leaving soon. We make sure to throw out the other.
DeMint and Shelby voted YES?!
Dear God, how did that happen?
It may be time for Texas and Alaska to look at seceding. If they go, then they own the North Shore and Houston (they can have California). I believe that would be most (or a significant share) of the petro and petrochemical production capabilities of North America.
What happened to Bunning? I thought he was against this bill. I guess he got a little something out of it too! That is a huge disappointment.
In fact, if I were Palin, I’d tell McCain to take his pork and shove it.
Is this official? I was under the impression that Mary Landfill was going to vote against this. If she really voted to pass this travesty, then you can stick a fork in her; she won’t get re-elected.
I thought Shelby voted no??
Michelle, we need an official list as soon as you can get one. thank you
Did anyone actually think that the Senate was not going to pass this?
Mostly the conservatives in the Senate voted the right way. But they were joined by Sanders and Finegold. What’s that all about?
Did they draw slips to see who would vote aye and who would vote nay?
From what I can understand there was supposed to be a “deal” made concerning the number of votes from each side of the aisle the last time they voted. I have never heard of dealing votes.
Ok, never mind me. I must have seen a bad list.
I goofed on DeMint and Shelby.
On October 1st, 2008 at 9:53 pm,
If the banks are not going to fail, what is going to keep them from doing the politically correct thing and keep giving loans to poor minorities and illegals who should not be getting loans in the first place?
A bail out just means that behavior that got us into this mess will stay the same.
gayle – the list I’m looking at has Dole voting ‘yea’…….
Beck has some good advice. Conservatives need to return to our founding documents and form a strategy to combat the Stalinist Left. For 15 years the Democrats have been robbing the Treasury of trillions of dollars on behalf of their entitlement whores. The criminal trail is clear and there is no reason not to go for the jugular. Truth and justice must prevail or America is lost.
There have to be aggressive moves towards prosecution and insulating the Treasury and financial markets from the ongoing predations of leftist racketeering organizations like ACORN, MOVE-ON and their Democrat enablers. Their regular and successful MO appears to be to employ PR and legal intimidation against their marks. Combine that with Alinsky-style street level strongarm tactics and most genteel opponents will capitulate.
The American people must see the Republicans lead a violent and very public fight to restore constitutional authority and send the criminals to prison. The $700B bailout is the tip of the iceberg and only a beginning in this war for the soul of the Republic.
No, they voted no.
The list above is of people who voted no.
Disappointment, thy name is skirt.
I saw the updated list, flenser. Thanks though. I was getting worried there for a minute.
The lines are open. Call up!
Congratulations to the Senate on doing the right thing…despite the loud gnashing of teeth from the very vocal minority of conservatives and Republicans that can’t see the big picture.
This was, unfortunately, very much needed for our ailing economy. It’s a tough, crappy pill to swallow…much more intervention in the free market than I like.
But, as a conservative, right now I’m going to take the advice of many posters on here, and “suck it up” on this bill. It’s the right thing to do in this instance.
Two WY Senators: Barrasso and Enzi = Bailout Busters
Bernie voted No?! But… how? It just doesn’t make any sense. Are you sure it’s not a typo? Bernie Sanders(S) of the Peoples Republic of Vermont voted against this?
Talk about coming out of left field.
#113
I believe you are mistaking ‘unpopular’ with ‘necessary’.
It was necessary to fix what caused the problem in the first place. It was necessary to punish those responsible. Neither of these occurred, and instead, we get a $700 Billion dollar band-aid that has no guarantee of working with a boatload of socialism.
Socialism is permanent recession. Look at any country that practices it. If I have to suffer a shorter recession to avoid socialism, that is necessary. That is medicine I will take, because some real good might come of it.
A friend showed me a voluntary repossession this past week. It stated that the owner turned the car over to the financer and they would sell the car. If they didn’t get enough from the sale to pay off his loan, he was responsible for the difference.
Maybe I’m naive, but shouldn’t this same kind of agreement apply for homes that have been foreclosed upon.
This is not the conservative thing to do. More importantly, it is unconstitutional. What the constitution does not allow, government can not do. Too many people think the constitution is there to limit freedom. It is not.
Well, I see both weasels from Virginia voted for this travesty. Warner stuck around at least two terms too long. I won’t miss him. Web is a stinking perverse pedophile. I hope we have enough sense to elect Gilmore instead of Mark Warner this year. Lord save us from communists and Senators.
Here we go again,Everytime we turn around the GOP in the house and senate pee down our back and tell us it’s raining and what do we do? We complain to eachother on blogs which does little besides allowing us to vent.We inundate our congresscritters and senate overlords with phone calls and emails which an intern says “thank you for calling-goodbye” while simutaneously hitting the delete button.We are all useless to these dirtbags as they allready got what they wanted-our vote.Oh yeah they will fill you full of platitudes while plotting an end around.Maybe it is time for the conservatives/right leaning Americans to take a day off of work and meet at the town square with pitchforks and torches.Maybe then will these vermin realize that we aren’t going to play their game anymore.We keep voting for the lesser pile of garbage but when all is said and done we still have a pile of garbage.McWhatshisname had a golden opportunity with both this “crisis” and selecting Gov Palin as VP and it looks like he will blow them both big time.
Which IB do you work for? This is not a “tough pill to swallow”, it’s highway robbery. That’s like saying: “oops – I lost your company millions of dollars, now you have to pay me double for the pleasure of keeping me around. Sorry, it’s a tough pill to swallow.” – or, even better: “oops, sorry – I know I’m the CEO responsible for the company’s fortune, but I squandered everything on malt liquor and cheap hookers so now you’re out of work. Sorry, it’s a tough pill to swallow but it’s necessary.”
Find your way over to Daily Kos.
Hear, hear!
i bet all or most nay’s are up for re-election…the yea’s thinking what short memories these dumb a$$ voters have.
Something’s up, Symrian. The full list posted on Page 1 of the comments is different from the link to the direct DC official tally. On that list, Shelby and DeMint voted no. Don’t do anything rash yet. These lists don’t match up.
Completely disappointed in my two TX senators. They caved into the Bush propoganda. Hopefully my Rep will continue to vote NO. We don’t have to do nothing, but we also don’t have to give money away.
As if he hasn’t, already.
How much of a future in national politics do you think Sarah Palin can really have, given her association with McLoser? And if he wins, that’ll just mean four years to drag her down even further. Wasted potential, perhaps; maybe her joining this idiot’s campaign is an indication of a serious flaw. For ‘08, I’m still voting for…HER. We can’t piss our lives away by voluntarily accepting Obamarxism.
Here if the link to the vote.
Click here to see why the info makes little sense.
Fixed that for ya.
PIMF
*is*
Colorado is a wash lol, 1 yes, 1 no. At least Allard voted NO. Salazar, on the other hand, has got to go. He’s standing in the way of Oil Shale production too.
Saw him on Cavuto earlier spouting his redistribution effluvia sandwich. He didn’t say how he was voting then, but I heard lots of TV folks say the dems voting no did so because the bill didn’t go far enough or they were mad about some tax breaks it contained! There’s always a contradictory reason when we think they’ve done something sensible.
But on the other hand, when was the last time you liked Ted Kennedy’s vote?
And Congress/Wall Street think this bill passage will fix the market. Check out the Nikkei.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^N225
As soon as this bill passed that market turned lower. It will be interesting in the U.S. Thursday. This bill is not what was needed to fix what ails the economy and frozen money markets.
And socialism sweeps the world…
Paris, France
Official as it gets. Straight off the Senate website.
Listen, I’m no Kosite…they wouldn’t like me over there because I agree with Michelle, and most on this board, when it comes to national security, immigration, law enforcement issues, tax issues, affirmative action, etc. etc. I believe I would be considered a “facist” in their mind.
And sorry, I don’t work for any investment bank…..
All of that being said, I don’t like the govt. having to go with this bailout, but our economy NEEDS this. That is the stark reality, sorry…..
War, my hubby follows state and local politics more than I do, and he thinks Gilmore is a doofus because the car-tax relief was just continued by means of counties getting stuck with it, but Gilmore means one less Dhim in D.C., so I’ll be putting a sign in the yard tomorrow.
BTW, it was reported that Jim Moran, D, Va., said calls to his office were running 50/50: “no” and “hell no.” I’ll be interested to see how he votes even though he’s not my guy. Randy Forbes is, and he’s got a good reputation, though I’m not sure why. He voted for the minimum-wage increase AND the Farm Bill. I’m sure he’ll vote with the rest of the sandwich chompers on this too. Blech!
Oh well. Congratulations, Sen. Obama, for winning the election. The country enters some dark days. I’m thru with following politics. Most of them have gone mad. Gotta find something new to follow. God help us.
Mr. Lietuva :
You have to stop drinking the Kool Aid. What gives money its value? Why, EXACTLY, is this necessary for the economy?
In line with what Gabe and Symrian say:
With all of these bailouts — past, present, and future — I’m left wondering one thing:
Is anyone pushing a repeal of the Community Reinvestment Act?
Now, I realize that the Communist Party will never admit that the CRA has been the primary culprit in this so-called “economic catastrophe”; but, although I’ve heard lots of blame being passed around, I haven’t heard ONE SINGLE PERSON suggest a primary cause that makes any logical sense other than the impacts of this ONE ACT on mortgages (and thus, banks).
Personally, I have a solid grasp of Microeconomics. But, I’m no Econ Professor; I’m no banker; I’m no financial genius; and my understanding of National (or Global) scale economics, and things like monetary policy, investment, national debt, etc. etc. is very basic, and some things are very hazy to me.
Now, without Rush, or Glenn, telling me that the CRA is the cause of this problem — I would be eternally in the dark as to why this “imminent economic collapse” has happened. But, needless to say, the explanation of how the CRA essentially forced the abandonment of free market principles in the mortgage industry (by forcing, or at least encouraging, lending to folks who can’t pay) makes simple common sense to me.
I guess I’m asking whether there is another possible culprit? Because I have not heard any other reasonable cause suggested by anyone (at least, not by anyone sane).
I am opposed to ANY bailout – regardless of its details. BUT, if the CRA is THE cause of this problem; why are there exactly ZERO Senators or Congressmen demanding that the repeal of the CRA be included in any bailout plan?
It does on at least some of them. So what? You can’t get blood from an illegal. They just go back to Mexico, come back under another name, and get another loan.
I’m sorry to say that somehow the taxpayers were going to be paying for this craptastic situation. Crapsandwich 2.0 or Crapsandwich 4.0? Tomato, tomahto.
Since the stock market’s in the crapper, it’s time to get in and gain something out of this.
This was going to happen no matter what so we have to suck it up and continue on with life. Will it help? I doubt it, but such is the economy.
Sandyb, I heard Moran make that “50/50″ quote on the radio but he was only complaining that there wasn’t enough pork in the bill to get his vote. The Senate looks like they really larded up the bill enough to get Jim MORON to vote for it this time around.
They only need to twist 11 other arms and they get their way. The only bright spot is that we might get somebody on SCOTUS to remember to read the constitution and figure out all this is unconstitutional.
Wouldn’t it be great if Bush’s last great socialist lunge was parried by his own SCOTUS appointments?
Look at the bright side: There was no way this gigantic, grotesquely corrupt government was ever going to reform. The only way to get rid of it is to allow it to collapse, Soviet style. I think Barry O’s going to be our equivalent of Gorbachev: the hapless, last ruler of a crumbling empire crushed by its own excess. We all know how his pathetic, clueless attempt at socialism will end up. The 19th Century Peasant Politics of class warfare will have a very short shelf-life in an era dominated by the virtually costless, ubiquitous ability to communicate amongst ourselves that we have now.
So the question for all of us is: what are the lessons learned from the Great Experiment? How did career politicians work out? What about socialized education? Liberty without responsibility? “Human Rights” without “Human Obligations”? Moral relativity? Materialism? Enslavement through taxation? Allowing our press, our universities and pretty much every other institution to be overrun by sorry, confused Marxist dinosaurs or grasping, self-serving individuals who worship only at the temple of selfish ambition?
Yep, let it burn, I say. The government is not the country, nor is the “economy”, and I have faith in the people of this country, who can and will build something better atop the stinking mess that will be our former government.
Where do I get that faith? Just have a look at the fine, selfless men and women who comprise our military, and at the millions of others who serve their families and communities without the first thought of profit, political ambition or self-aggrandizement. They are truly the “meek” who shall inherit the earth, and they will be the ones to construct a new and better future.
“Again out of destruction a new spirit of creativity arises.”
Pretty simple stuff. Our system of credit is moving towards failure. Without credit available, small businesses will be hurt, state governments will be hurt, jobs will be lost. And with all of this…all of the people that did the right thing, and did not get loans that they couldn’t afford, will be financially hurt or could possibly lose their jobs.
This bill isn’t to bailout all of the irresponsible people and specualtors (although, obvioulsy, it is bailing them out), it is being done to help the hardworking, responsible people in America that DON’T deserve to be hurt by the folly and greed of others.
I’m thinking Scalia has smoke coming out of his ears about now. We can still dream, though, can’t we?
Here is the link for the real official Roll Call. Landfill voted against.
McSellout voted for.
I’m in the Bizzaro World.
Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Nay
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Nay
Bunning (R-KY), Nay
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Nay
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Nay
Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Nay
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Fru, we must be on the same wavelength, because today I was thinking what a grand day it will be when some of these guys come home and run for office. I think we don’t appreciate them near enough.
Please remember to go to http://www.letssaythanks.com every so often and send a note to thank them for their service and let them know they’re not forgotten.
Sanders voted “No” because it wasn’t Socialistic ENOUGH!
When he spoke earlier this evening, he said he would vote “No” unless his “Tax the Rich” ammendment was added.
He knew they had enough votes to pass without him, so he went even further left.
America just leaped over the socialist shark by 49 votes? A trailer in the foothills and/or woods of Tennessee is calling my name. It’s just not worth the taxes any more. In my area of Texas, property taxes are approaching five figures for a 200k house. Wait til THE CHOSEN ONE ascends the throne.
(from an earlier thread)
On October 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm, Perk said:
Those who can’t handle the truth
try to silence those who speak it.
Thank you for speaking the truth.
The fact that you were banned because of it is very significant. We must rescind the nomination from McCain. He and his operatives are proving to be as thuggish as Obama and his operatives.
And both campaigns received money from George Soros.
I’ll answer the question in the interest of getting the answer out there. What gives money its value? Scarcity.
Why is this necessary for the economy? It is actually more harmful than helpful and therefore the answer is, it isn’t.
On October 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pm, katablog said:
The MSM and a corrupt RNC both chose McCain.
From your lips to God’s Ears. The irony would be too sweet to see Roberts/Alito spank Georgie boy on the way out the door
What is the final cost of the bill? It surely exceeds the $11T recommended by the House! Congress led me to believe they were concerned about me, the taxpayer. The cost of the bill tells me they are not.
George Soros was for this bill. If he is for it, then I am against it!
I have given up on my Missouri Senators –Bond and McCaskill–and most probably my representative Jo Ann Emerson. I will take a more active role in helping to find candidates who fit my brand of conservatism.
While I am thinking of it, Fred Thompson (remember him?) has formed a PAC to find and support candidates at all levels who share our conservative philosophy. His website is http://www.fredpac.com. Please join us.
We are losing our country. It is not the country of our founding fathers, who were far wiser than this bunch in Washington will ever be. The only entitlements for its citizens should be life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Does anyone know how we can make this happen? Any attorneys out there? If there is a way to file an emergency motion to SCOTUS, it should definitely be done.
I stuck my hand in that fire once,actually donated a fair amount of money to his “campaign”if that’s what you want to call it.Regardless of the lack of media attention that he received he had the drive of a garden slug.He preaches what I want to hear but his heart isn’t in it.Now he just wants your money.
Mental Health parity legislation?
CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS (January 10, 1963)
The Senators voting “Yea” on this amendment have self-identified themselves as either Communists or “Useful Idiots”.
And, of course add Sanders in with them…his “Nay” was because it wasn’t Socialist enough!
Democrat Bush and his Democrat Secretary come out and try to scare the hell out of everyone and those that bite think “yeah, let’s give these theives who stole the money in the first place a trillion dollars of our children’s money – that’s what we need to do. This country is full of stupid. I am checking out now – I will plant my garden and keep my gunpowder dry so when the rest of you finally give all there is they will have to take mine. Special thanks to Chambliss and Isakson who came through in the clutch to shine with their disgraceful votes.
The block I live on was once a “field hospital” for Washington’s troops. (The battle for Long Island was fought on the hill a few blocks up) Well not really a hospital, more of just a place to die out of the rain.
Tonight, you can hear the anguished cry of patriots on the wind. Tonight, the trees whisper,”count your shot & keep your powder dry”.
Tonight the soul of a great nation sleeps, not.
Congratulations on your capitulation.
i didn’t realize that 90% of the public was a small minority of conservatives.
mccain lost the election tonight…praise to the dear leader obama
and just to let you know the big picture is not your precious economic security.
Time to self-medicate and hit the hay. I have to be well rested tomorrow, and make sure I have enough time to change my party affiliation from Republican to Independent.
Have a nice life, Republican sellout Senators.
Is it too late to start a Gingrich/Palin write-in campaign?
Good Heavens, I hope not. I’m all for it.
Good night, all.
Let’s focus on tomorrow night. Palin is what is needed in Washington. May she be allowed to just be her wonderful self and let the chips fall where they may. She needs to stop trying to talk about things she doesn’t know; just be willing to lose a round or two, instead of losing the whole debate.
We like Sarah! Show us Sarah! Give us something else to think about and focus on and, dare I say, CLING TO!!
‘America’ soon won’t mean the same thing it did before, assuming it still does today.
On October 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pm, Durangodarlin said:
No! No! No! Don’t fall for that!
Fred Thompson played a HUGE role in getting his “good friend John McCain” the Republican nomination!!!
Thompson entered the race late, left early, and seems to have had only one real objective in the race: to fool enough SC voters into voting for him so that John McCain, not Mike Huckabee, won the South Carolina primary. Mission accomplished, Thompson quit three days later.
McCain lost SC to Bush in 2000. McCain made sure he didn’t lose SC in 2008.
The 2000 SC loss led to McCain’s tirade about the “Agents of Intolerance”, for which he never apologized. Rather, McCain said those remarks were very deliberate and very thought out.
McCain is an enemy of the far right, and his actions today prove it. (as if we didn’t already know from “Agents of Intolerance”, Socialist AGW taxes, Amnesty, McCain-Feingold, etc.)
How do we go about rescinding the Republican party nomination from McCain?
Scarcity is an accurate, albeit somewhat cynical answer. I would like to add “ingenuity, innovation, labor inputs, production”… all of which are scarce resources, thus they have more value than sloth, ignorance, lechers.
The bail-out subsidizes (rewards) the latter not the former, thus it is a wealth-destroying event. It might FEEL good to have the government step and use your money to maintain the wealth of the den-of-thieves… but it is deleterious to our total wealth and standard of living in the long-run.
Painful pill, indeed
It doesn’t.
So let me get this straight… of the McCain/Feingold duo, McCain voted YES and Feingold voted NO.
That’s just CRAPtastic!
On October 1st, 2008 at 10:17 pm, symrian said:
Amen.
Barf.
Our CO Senator, Allard voted no as he should have.
Our other CO Senator, Salazar voted yes. News media reports over the last week quoted their offices as receiving huge email and phone traffic and the majority against any bailout. Mr. Salazar didn’t listen.
Barf. Bend over, here it comes again.
Someone please remind me again how the Constitution allows the Senate to initiate a spending bill as they have done tonight?
Last I checked, the House passed no bill, which means this vote is invalid. Now someone with deep enough pockets to challenge it in court needs to step up.
Pretty simple-minded explanation IMO. If all that businesses have to rely on to keep them in business is a credit line than they really don’t have a good business model now do they? The reason the economy is in a tail spin, Mr. Lietuva, is that this economy IS run on credit. We produce nothing anymore. Everybody is in debt, including myself. And my husband and I are getting out of it. Many people spent more than they could afford including businesses. Many businesses, both the corporate titans and smaller ones, are living on borrowed time. No bandaid will stop THAT amound of bleeding.
Which one is it? This bill is going to bailout the irresponsible at the cost of you, me, and everyone. The hardworking, responsible people in America will be hurt by this. This bailout just prevents the inevitable while the party (unbeknownst to Botox Pelosi) will continue. Don’t you get that?
One more thing: how are you exactly a conservative? This bailout is socialism and government intervention on an epic scale. Conservativism doesn’t jive with that and neither does your version, sir.
TTFK,
I’m pretty sure the House votes tomorrow. There are enough so-called “sweeteners” added to the bill now to get the pigs in the House to vote for it.
Oink, Oink,
Rocky
Well, look at the bright side. It has to pass the house as well. Which isn’t a gimme.
Also, if we manage to keep Obama out of the White House, in 4 years, we can look at a Palin/Jindal ticket and get back to the business of running the country as it was meant to be run.
I’m with you RockyR. It was a blunt answer, like I said, in the interest of getting it said. The person to whom it was addressed was not going to answer it.
Scarcity is the measure of all things of value. No one prizes things that are as plentiful as gravel. Money used to be something that had value because of its difficulty of acquiring it. But now it is being thrown around like chicken feed, and therefore losing value. Over simplified, but an apt illustration in my view.
Aye, Chicken Little. More ignorance of economics shining brilliantly through. Thank God for public schools… There IS a price at which banks will lend to businesses, even risky ones, again. Wait – there is an IMPORTANT point there. There IS a price at which banks will lend to businesses , even RISKY ones (i.e., we’ll have to really consider RISK again).
The price at which banks will start lending again probably won’t be prime, prime – 1… not at 5%. Try Prime +1, Prime + 2… think higher – 9, 10, 12%. When the risk premium opens up enough, money will flow again (yes, yes, payrolls will suffer in the short-to-mid run).
Have some confidence in the market. Our system is broken, but the principles still apply.
I’m scared for the future, maybe more afraid than most, since I teach high school chemistry.
People think the rules don’t apply to them. If something happens, there are a million excuses, but hardly anyone to stand up and take responsibility. 18 is the new 12.
Sadly, Congress can learn a few things from my students.
Anyone “tempted” to write in Gingrich’s name on the ballot this November needs to reconsider this and buy a clue. This guy ain’t a reliable conservative. While he initially opposed this bailout, he “reluctantly” changed his mind for the “good” of our country. He said as much on O’Reilly’s show last night.
This man is a conservative when Vegas odds are on his side, but when the chips are down, forget about it. What’s his main concern? A cheap, political stunt or protecting the American people?
No wonder he’s not speaker anymore. He’s no longer standing by his ideals just like these pathetic excuses for Republican senators.
Who do we, as conservatives, turn to now? Who?
On October 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm, RedDog said:
Follow the link. See how the Communist Party USA is an enabler of:
In my experience, immature spoiled brats don’t learn well from other immature spoiled brats. We’ll have to find a different classroom for our dear congresschildren.
On October 1st, 2008 at 11:50 pm, emjem24 said:
The next Reagan.
Holy Crap On A Stick! The Republican from my state voted for the bailout and the Democrat in my state vote against the bailout (I live in Florida)! How did this happen?!
Oh look, just one more way that Obama and McCain are the same. Let me count the ways…
McCain-Feingold: check
Illegal immigration: check
“Living Constitution” judges: check
Embryonic stem cell research: check
Global warming: check
2nd Amendment: check
Populist views of economics: check
I just got my absentee ballot in the mail today. It’s a shame there isn’t a “None of the Above” choice on it.
How many of the “yeas” are up for reelection? I know Chambliss is, and he may have lost my vote.
Just a reminder of a link someone posted yesterday regarding the Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis
How to write a letter to a Senator that he’ll take seriously. (If you are not in his state he will ignore it altogether).
Go to Google Maps
type Pizza and the name of a major city in the Senator’s state
Take down the address and zip code of the pizza parlor
Enter a plausible pseudonym and the address for the pizza parlor. Also enter a pseudonymous (but real) e-mail address.
The Senator will take it seriously because he doesn’t really have a quick way of deciding if you are a voter or not.
Its even better if you have a service that let’s you mask your IP address.