California holds a gun to our heads

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 3, 2008 10:38 AM

Oh, for crying out loud.

Timed to put pressure on the House to swallow Crap Sandwich 2.0, Arnold Schwarzenegger puts the feds on notice that California “might need an emergency loan of as much as $7 billion from the federal government within weeks.”

LAT:

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, alarmed by the ongoing national financial crisis, warned Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson on Thursday that the state might need an emergency loan of as much as $7 billion from the federal government within weeks.

The warning comes as California is close to running out of cash to fund day-to-day government operations and is unable to access routine short-term loans that it typically relies on to remain solvent.

The state of California is the biggest of several governments nationwide that are being locked out of the bond market by the global credit crunch. If the state is unable to access the cash, administration officials say, payments to schools and other government entities could quickly be suspended and state employees could be laid off.

Plans by several state and local governments to borrow in recent days have been upended by the credit freeze. New Mexico was forced to put off a $500-million bond sale, Massachusetts had to pull the plug halfway into a $400-million offering, and Maine is considering canceling road projects that were to be funded with bonds.

California finance experts say they know of no time in recent history when the state has sought an emergency loan of this magnitude from the federal government. The only other such rescue was in 1975, they said, when the federal government lent New York City money to avoid bankruptcy.

Someone tell me why we should bail out basket-case California for spending itself into the ground and refusing to change its constitutionally-self-imposed limits on discretionary spending?!

Oh, wait, I know the answer: It’s because everyone else and their mother is getting massive, billion-dollar aid. Why not California?

Why not every other state, city, and locality running budget deficits?


We’re Screwed ‘08.

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  1. #483611
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:42 am, et said:

    A bankrupt California is a bad thing?

  2. #483612
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:42 am, bloghooligan said:

    NJ will be next.

    Let ‘em go bankrupt. Have Hollywood open their purses to keep the state going…that’ll make ‘em conservatives quickly.

  3. #483614
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:43 am, LC said:

    States can’t have federal loans, silly rabbit.

  4. #483616
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:43 am, Truesoldier said:

    Maybe we should let Mexico have Claifornia back!

    Reconquista 2008!!!

    LOL!!!!

  5. #483619
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:45 am, Rob said:

    I just drove three miles down the main street near my home in Southern California and didn’t see ONE white person. The signs are in Spanish and Asian, the people are dressed Muslim garp and other “traditional” clothing.

    I wish there was a way I could show you all a video of what is coming to a city near you soon. Not ONE white person… for miles, and the most run down buildings you could imagine. Like a third world country. You might think you were in Tijuana.

    And I am paying for all of them….

  6. #483620
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:45 am, BobK said:

    Hum, will Ill-noise be next? Followed by every other Dem dominated state. Just askin.

  7. #483621
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:45 am, thekingtut said:

    If they would stop paying for services to all the undocumented immigrants, you know illegals, they would probably have plenty of cash.

  8. #483622
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:45 am, cicerokid said:

    Hey, brother, can u spare a dime?

    Snort!

  9. #483623
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:45 am, nlebou said:

    States can’t have federal loans, silly rabbit

    I wouldn’t be so sure about that.

  10. #483624
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:46 am, LC said:

    I have to say as well, CA state leadership has created this mess, now let them deal with it. No loan. No bailout. Start cutting spending on illegal programs now (like education, medical, housing and food stamps for the HUGE number of illegal aliens in this state).

    The CA State Assembly just doesn’t get it – you can’t spend what you don’t have. Period.

  11. #483626
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:46 am, Truesoldier said:

    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:45 am, BobK said:
    Hum, will Ill-noise be next? Followed by every other Dem dominated state. Just askin.

    Nope WA will be next as the current Gov Gregoire (D)) is still claiming their is not the $3.2 billion deficeit that the liberal legislatures are saying there is. Maybe she is claiming there is none, because she plans to jump on the bailout bandwagon.

  12. #483631
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:47 am, Socky said:

    America to California: Drop Dead!

  13. #483633
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:50 am, Boomer said:

    Politicians have absolutely no shame. Arnold is a bigger a disappointment than W has been. Heading out to Boise to visit the Temple of Man (Cabela’s) to stock up on some outdoor gear while picking up some stores for the pantry at Costco check back in later. Try to stay sane on this bad news Friday.

  14. #483634
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:50 am, cicerokid said:

    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:47 am, Socky said:
    America to California: Drop Dead!

    No comprende. En Espanol, por favore.

  15. #483636
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:50 am, Mister P said:

    This has been my next prediction. The whole housing crises stems from California. It bled over to Arizona and Nevada. Obviously it has killed their state budget.

    Illinois is 44 Billion behind in its State Pension plan. They will be next. The next 700+ bail out bill will be for states and cities.

  16. #483637
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:50 am, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Start cutting spending on illegal programs now (like education, medical, housing and food stamps for the HUGE number of illegal aliens in this state).

    The CA State Assembly just doesn’t get it – you can’t spend what you don’t have. Period.

    Yeah, I’ve been saying that until I’m blue in the face. It just doesn’t work. Get rid of the illegals in this state, and we’d be in the black. BIG TIME.

    I’m waiting for the usual “we need a tax increase” from the legislature. It’s coming. Just you wait and see. But idiots keep voting these bigger idiots back into office. Instead of making an informed decision at the voting booth, they just pick the most familiar name on their ballots. That’s how it works.

  17. #483639
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:51 am, madchef said:

    The nations biggest nanny state wanting a handout from super nanny federal gov. Shocking, just shocking.
    It may be time to move to Alaska, secede from the union, and elect Sarah our president!

  18. #483640
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:51 am, Mister P said:

    Arnold is a bigger a disappointment than W has been.

    I don’t get this. Certainly we all knew was a baffoon.

  19. #483642
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:51 am, TimothyJ said:

    If we didn’t have all these liberals in our state, they would be there in yours screwing it up. You people owe us Californians a royal thank you! Also, as many conservatives as possible are heading towards your states, but still no thanks to California.

  20. #483643
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:51 am, swmbo said:

    .
    Hey California and Illinois, SHUT UP !!

    You made your filthy bed, now lie in it.

  21. #483645
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:51 am, SSG David Medzyk said:

    There are times, when living here in Calli makes my blood boil.

    Unions have pushed this state into the fiscal problem it is. We are the seventh largest economy in the world, yet the movie star can’t stop spending, and the unions refuse to back off. Everything comes down to more pay and more benfits, with less and less money available.

    Where’s Tom McLintock when we need him!!!

  22. #483647
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:52 am, madmonkphotog said:

    To heck with Cali. They should have thought twice about funding for illegal aliens in state programs.

    Let the people suffer and force the change. I’d like to know how much extra money could be saved by not funding illegal aliens in ANY FORM.

  23. #483648
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 am, FamilyMan said:

    California public employees are paid at a rate 33% over comparable jobs in the private sector. Retirement money rates are the highest in the country. Try cutting your budget California.

  24. #483649
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 am, swmbo said:

    Get it, LIE in it?

    lolrof!!!!!

  25. #483650
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 am, conservativehomeschooler said:

    I live in CA, but I say let it go bankrupt. Please God let the house say NO to the bailout!

    But please, don’t let us go back to Mexico.

  26. #483653
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:55 am, americangrunthog said:

    I live in Southern California. A very common site is someone who may be wealthy, but looks like a bum driving a 50-100 dollar car through a middle class neighborhood store parking lot. Generally these are cars bought beyond the means of the driver and were purchased with a home equity loan, based on an inflated real-estate market. NOT MY FAULT – I DIDN”T TAKE OUT BAD LOANS

    The bottom fell out and now I have to bail them out.

  27. #483655
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:55 am, Socky said:

    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:50 am, cicerokid said:

    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:47 am, Socky said:
    America to California: Drop Dead!

    No comprende. En Espanol, por favore.

    Estados-Unidos a California: Vete a tu pigna!

  28. #483656
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:57 am, uhangtight said:

    also, if they would stop being a sanctuary state this might begin to solve the problem, too. of course, the state legislature is so far left that this budget crisis will continue until the state is bankrupt. amazing, living here while reagan was governor how well the state was run the economy was great.

    if they would just open up the continental shelf and california would allow the drilling, there would not be a budget problem. i think you can follow the trending of when oil drilling became forbidden and the fall of california as the 7th largest economy to now the 47th. i would like to see that chart graph.

  29. #483658
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:57 am, Southpaw said:

    A preview of the U.S. if Obama wins this election. The labor unions grip on politics in the state are appalling.

    It was a Texan named George Bush that failed to secure the southern border the past 8 years. Guess which state the highest percentage of illegal immigrants flock too…California.

    It’s easy for people in other parts of the country to gripe about California, but they don’t have the enourmous burden of providing services to illegals, not to mention crime and gangs. You want to place blame for Californias’ financial problems, start with your own representatives in Washington for failing to act on immigration.

    Californias’ problems are a preview for the rest of the country.

  30. #483659
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:57 am, Truesoldier said:

    conservativehomeschooler said:

    But please, don’t let us go back to Mexico.

    Hey, this gave me a great idea for the bailout plan. We use the $700 billion to move all the Conservatives to one side of the country and Liberals to the other. Then we create two nations and let the liberals have at it with their social engineering while we Conservatives stick to real Conservative principles and let the world see what happens within five years. I guarnatee you all we would save a lot of money in the long run.

  31. #483660
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:57 am, 7thson said:

    $150 billion to “stimulate” the economy.
    $300 billion for the housing market.
    $600 billion for the farmers.
    $700 billion for Wall Street.

    Why wouldn’t Kalifornia come calling when it’s obvious that Big Brother is handing it out as fast as they can print it? Just sign the loyalty oath and come and get yours today!

  32. #483663
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:58 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    I suppose the concept of living below your means is beyond some people. California has their expensive Public Employees Unions, Social Programs galore, Sanctuary programs and ridiculous environmental rules. Their taxes, work rules and environmental rules have driven thousands of businesses out of state losing both jobs and income. A bailout will but delay the inevitable. California will either go bankrupt or control their spending.

    You do not get out of debt by borrowing more. The 1975 bailout of New York City and Chrysler in 1979 were bad precedents. Both of them are now in trouble.

  33. #483665
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:59 am, Socky said:

    We use the $700 billion to move all the Conservatives to one side of the country and Liberals to the other.

    Liberals can have the east coast. I call Colorado!

  34. #483666
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:59 am, LC said:

    I’m in CA and I’m leaving as soon as it’s feasible. I’m thinking NV, UT, possibly NM. This state is worthless. The whole state has become one huge welfare recipient in the eyes of the Federal Government.

    Here’s how I’d like to see the exchange go down:

    CA: “Please, give us more money so we can keep giving it to the illegal aliens!”

    The rest of the US: “Get bent.”

  35. #483667
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:59 am, 7thson said:

    When the line of the states, counties and cities forms up in DC for their bailouts, we will look at the Wall Street bailout as “the good old days“.

  36. #483669
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:00 am, sharinlite said:

    It seems to me to be the biggest joke of the century: California needs a loan? Truly? California (and I live here) is the biggest joke in the nation with Arnie the muscle, Tony-short stuff, followed by Boxer, Pelosi and Waters. Are we for real or what!

    Hey numbskulls, give each citizen-family in this country $2 million, taxable, and watch all this nonsense about bail-outs disappear. We would know what to do with our own money for goodness sake and we would save our country. Not to mention the cities, counties and states as well as the Fed would be saved!!!

  37. #483673
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:01 am, Misscheryl said:

    First of all, I haven’t read any posts on this, but my first thought is maybe California won’t be so opposed to drilling of thier own coast, instead of demanding others drill while these greedy Californians guzzle supply like there’s no tomorrow. If the state fell into the ocean – it wouldn’t be missed. I’m not for bailing out that hole.

  38. #483675
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:02 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 am, conservativehomeschooler said:

    But please, don’t let us go back to Mexico.

    Ok conservativehomeschooler , just for you. But it would be nice to send Governor Schwarzenegger back to Austria-and take his wife with him.

  39. #483678
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:02 am, JohnnyD said:

    Hey wait a minute. This could be a good thing. If we own a piece of CA, then maybe the rest of the USA could finally get rid of that pesky San Fransisco and Berkeley.

    Oh all right, I can dream can’t I?

    No to the Bailout Bill, esp. if it includes paying for Caleefornia….

  40. #483677
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:03 am, jsr said:
    Arnold Schwarzenegger puts the feds on notice that California “might need an emergency loan of as much as $7 billion from the federal government within weeks.”

    You might say that this is the chickens coming home to roost. Seems to be a lot of that going on lately , and there is a lot more to come, thanks to the nutty liberal policies that have infected our government the past 30 years.

  41. #483684
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:04 am, 7thson said:

    What is completely unnerving is that if Kalifornia would open the coast to oil and natural gas drilling, they would be swimming in enough royalties to reduce if not eliminate state taxes and balance the bloated budget.

    But, “Nein! Ve vill never drill! Ve must keep our KaleeFornia coast pristine! Ve owe dis to der children!”

  42. #483686
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:05 am, bear1909 said:

    Time for us Californeez to vote these plix out of office…in the State Assembly and in Congress (Lee, Boxer, Feinstein, and Pelosi Galore).

    These people are drunk with their own ideology of “resistance” (Lee and Boxer), or their own narcissism and delusions of grandeur (Pelosi Galore), and greed (Boxer, Feinstein, and Pelosi Galore).

    The Assembly is just plain goofy with the homosexual mafia (Mark Lenno- friend to sexual offenders everywhere, oh but dont you dare link homosexuality to sexual offenders) and the insane lack of term limits, and the ridiculous gerrymandering practices to ensure office for life.

    The State is running out of water because the elected officials are too busy being bag men for constituents and lining their pockets with real estate deals (the overbuilding and skim trade).

    California is officially third world with regard to its metropolises and mid-sized citiies. We’ll see what happens once the cash to fund schools and hospital emergency rooms runs out. Workman’s comp is another ponzi scheme about to belly up with checks being sent to Mexico to pay for Hector’s back injury he got sheetrocking for some mega-corp construction outfit in the Central Valley.

    Chickens are already roosting. Arnold is finished out here. Foregone conclusion. Gray “The Energy Bunny” Davis was worse. But who discriminates between which hog is cleaner on the way to the slaughter chute?

    Soooieeee.

    Bear1909 out.

    PS: Tax revolt coming in California….you watch. LOL

  43. #483688
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:05 am, americangrunthog said:

    Why is California broke?

    Teacher and employee unions breaking back of any legislation to control state costs.

    Unbridled illegal immigration destroying middle class neighborhoods and consuming benefits

    Out of control spending by a DEMOCRAT legislature

    Special interest groups driving spending and regulation

    An outrageous tax system

    Draconian regulation on business

    Even more draconian taxes and fees on business

    A vested interest by the ruling party to fill the state with ignorant and uninformed voters

    Devaluation of citizenship

    Sounds a lot like the Obama platform actually.

  44. #483690
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:06 am, conservativehomeschooler said:

    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:02 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:
    Ok conservativehomeschooler , just for you. But it would be nice to send Governor Schwarzenegger back to Austria-and take his wife with him.

    Thanks and you can have him. Send him to her home of the east coast. ;)

  45. #483696
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:08 am, SHoward said:

    Perhaps the Feds should insist the People’s Republik of Kalifornia seek loans from the Private Sector. We’d see then how good this crappy state’s credit really is…..

    (I moved here two years ago this month for my company, and I state for the record this place is beyond loony.)

  46. #483698
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:08 am, Prickly Pear said:

    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:51 am, TimothyJ said:
    If we didn’t have all these liberals in our state, they would be there in yours screwing it up. You people owe us Californians a royal thank you! Also, as many conservatives as possible are heading towards your states, but still no thanks to California.

    I have to throw the BS flag on that one. Arizona has been inundated with lefty Californians running away from the messes that they created.They have ruined many beautiful places here;Sedona,Flagstaff,Payson etc. During the housing madness Ca investors were buying blocks of houses sight unseen-needless to say they are all weed covered lots now.They drive around like everybody should get out of the way as their lives are so much more important than anyone elses.The problem is that once they screw up the State of Arizona they will just move onto somewhere else-just like the plague!

  47. #483701
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:09 am, sambo said:

    Someone tell me why we should bail out basket-case California for spending itself into the ground and refusing to change its constitutionally-self-imposed limits on discretionary spending?!

    Not to mention that they started this mess in the real estate market. They drove the market sky high and came up with these crazy ways to get affordable (ha ha) loans.

    Yes, the federal gov. should give them the loan…the Mexican federal gov that is.

  48. #483702
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:09 am, americangrunthog said:

    L.C.
    Hope it doesn’t spread to the rest of the country or you will have to change your name to ‘El Si’

    hog

  49. #483708
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:11 am, 7thson said:

    Southpaw said:
    Californias’ problems are a preview for the rest of the country.

    Truer words were never spoken. The only difference between McCain and Obama is how fast it comes true.

  50. #483710
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:12 am, iamsaved said:

    Wait until the foreign banks transfer their bad debt to their U.S. branches and get Uncle Sugar to pay those loans off.

    California is just one of the first to jump into the line. Talk about the pigs drinking at the government trough – we ain’t seen nothing yet.

  51. #483712
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:12 am, JohnnyD said:

    Here’s another thought. If they need $7 bil, then start drilling for it. Now! Otherwise, you can suck wind.

  52. #483714
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:12 am, sambo said:

    Misscheryl said:
    First of all, I haven’t read any posts on this, but my first thought is maybe California won’t be so opposed to drilling of thier own coast, instead of demanding others drill while these greedy Californians guzzle supply like there’s no tomorrow.

    Great point Misscheryl. The thing about it is they don’t even have to drill…they can just uncap some of their existing wells!

  53. #483722
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:14 am, Misscheryl said:

    Damn Californias are moving here now. This place will be inhabitable in 5 years.

  54. #483725
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:14 am, cntryjoe said:

    Conservatives have been handed situations on a golden platter to explain the failures of liberalism in regards to the banking/mortgage industry and California. Unfortunately, there’s not a single conservative in a leadership position that will educate the voters about these failures. Instead, I’m sure the gov’t will end up bailing them out, too. Such a fine opportunity for McCain. Oh yeah,… I forgot. It’s McCain….

  55. #483726
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:15 am, americangrunthog said:

    We were fooled by Schwartznegger. He promised:
    Change
    Accountability
    He said he was for the middle class
    He was a fascinating and charismatic speaker
    He said Californias best years were in the past and we needed an agent of Change so we could be proud of our state again
    He said he wouldn’t be indebted to any special interest group
    He had all the answers but no details
    He had no experience and came into the political scene quickly

    Sound familiar?
    Bend over America and Grab Your Ankles
    -BOAGYA-

  56. #483728
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:15 am, JohnnyD said:

    Oops Misscheryl didn’t see your post.
    thinking alike I suppose….

  57. #483734
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:17 am, jsr said:

    I say let the libs have all of it. The remaining conservative should leave ASAP and take up residence in states that are up for grabs in this election. That should easily push us over the 270, plus the libs would then be able to go about constructing their paradise un-opposed while we all get a good laugh from a safe distance. Something for everybody. (Hollywood elite has to stay put).

  58. #483735
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:17 am, et said:

    Someone should write a song ‘The Bankrupt Blues’ in tribute to all the liberal democrat voting states.

  59. #483736
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:17 am, madshark said:

    I am a resident of Central California, which is predominately Republican. It’s those urban areas which control the State as a whole.

    One of the problems that we face in California is even when we, the voters, pass initiatives in an attempt to resolve problems, they are frequently overturned by the courts. Proposition 187, which would have limited services to illegal aliens, is a case in point.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_187

    The overturn of Proposition 61 by the California State Supreme Court, which limited marriage to between a man and a woman, is another one.

    For the most part, I have hardly regretted any votes that I have made at the ballot, but I do regret having voted for Ahnold during the original recall election instead of Tom McClintock.

    As MM has said so eloquently on many occasions, California needs to SUCK IT UP, as does this nation as a whole. One thing that needs to be done (and I say this as a former employee in the public sector) is that the State needs to refine its defined contribution programs for its current employees.

    But hey, I guess our State Government considers it more important for chain restaurants to list calories on their menus and for the schools to honor “Harvey Milk Day”.

  60. #483742
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:18 am, Paul Revere said:

    2nd look at enforcing immigration laws? Beuller?

  61. #483749
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:20 am, Misscheryl said:

    Gee I have the answer – let’s all vote for OBAMA for hope and freaking change!!!

  62. #483754
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:21 am, southsideironworks said:

    Just say no to the bailout, just say no to Californica.

  63. #483755
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:21 am, TooMuchTime said:

    I live in the People’s Socialist Quagmire of California and know that everything said here on this blog is true. This state is just one big liberal/socialist sewage dump.

    Remember Buck Knives? They used to be based near San Diego but got fed up with the high taxes and socialist regulations. So they moved to Idaho.

    There was a company that produced blanks for surf boards. Can’t remember the name. They were based in SoCal (natch!) and the owner saw his business innundated with socialist/environmental regulations and confiscatory tax rates. He got fed up and just quit. He didn’t move the business to another state, he just gave up!

    Socialisma century of failure proves nothing!

    And the brain-dead, knuckle-dragging socialists in CA are going to keep trying to disprove that; no mater how many lives they destroy.

  64. #483756
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:22 am, karnold said:

    As a Californian, I want to personally apologize to each and every one of you. It is our fault. Please, treat us like alcoholics or addicts, because we are addicted – to spending, to liberalism, and to welfare. For our sake and for the sake of the nation, we need your tough love. Don’t give us a handout. Don’t give us “just one sip.” You have to let us hit rock-bottom. You have to force us to see that our choices got us here, and only our own healthy choices can save us.

    We don’t need rehab; we need to do this cold-turkey.

    Lord knows I’ve tried. I supported Tom McClintock. I held my nose and pulled the handle for the Governator because he got some things right, instead of his opponent, who got everything wrong. Maybe we would have hit bottom faster if the other guy won.

    We’re saddled with an opposition of fools and idiots, people like Cruz Bustamente, Jerry Brown, Gray Davis, Maxine Waters, and dozens of other destructive elements – and a voter class which votes on the basis of race and identity politics, and who promises the most from the tax treasury to them. We are the state that gave you Gavin Newsome and Michael Newdow.

    This state isn’t even America anymore. This state is a third-world country catering to every deadbeat culture that comes here. I can’t drive to work without raging at people who drive like this was Mexico, Lebanon or Taiwan. I can’t think of the last time I saw three drivers successfully negotiate a four-way stop.

    We give free education, free medical care, welfare and food stamps to every creature that can fit into the Home Depot parking lot.

    Please – for our own good, you have to let us crash. Bailing us out will only encourage us to continue all the bad choices that got us here. I beg you; don’t help us until we help outselves.

  65. #483760
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:23 am, americangrunthog said:

    Mad Shark – you are exactly right. I feel like my chickens are coming home to roost for supporting Schwartznegger. Tom was by far the better man.

    Schartznegger turned out to be like a lot of steroid using pretty boys, a big puss.

  66. #483772
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:27 am, heroyalwhyness said:

    Someone tell me why we should bail out basket-case California for spending itself into the ground and refusing to change its constitutionally-self-imposed limits on discretionary spending?!

    Schwarzenegger needs to take some of his own medicine . . .

    California Approves Nurse-Assisted Suicide

    Schwarzenegger signs bill authorizing dehydration, starvation of patients

  67. #483776
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:28 am, Misscheryl said:

    My question is why don’t most California’s learn from their mistakes. I am serious when I say they are moving here and trying to pull the same socialist crap all over again, just different place. So far our citizens and senators have been able to squash their “hopes” and “dreams” for Oklahoma but I don’t know how long that will last with more and more moving here.

  68. #483784
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:30 am, Misscheryl said:

    Californians…self correct…sorry

  69. #483791
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:32 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    bloghooligan said:

    NJ will be next.

    Let ‘em go bankrupt. Have Hollywood open their purses to keep the state going…that’ll make ‘em conservatives quickly.

    Probably. And Hank Paulson’s ole Buddy.. Jon “Speedy” Corzine will no doubt get preferential treatment at the well.

    Hey… if NJ State employees have to go home for a few days, it will serve the state budget well. They number too many and do too little.

  70. #483793
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:33 am, BlameAmericaLast said:

    I say let the libs have all of it. The remaining conservative should leave ASAP and take up residence in states that are up for grabs in this election.

    Yep, I’m only 40 miles from the NV border, and it’s looking pretty nice moving to a no-income-tax state. I can save 10% of my income if I do that.

    Now the hard part is finding the right home to buy…

  71. #483797
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:35 am, FamilyMan said:

    TooMuchTime said: Remember Buck Knives? They used to be based near San Diego but got fed up with the high taxes and socialist regulations. So they moved to Idaho.

    Thank you. We appreciate them here.

  72. #483802
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:36 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    What’s the Matter with California?: Cultural Rumbles from the Golden State and Why the Rest of Us Should Be Shaking by Jack Cashill
    California, land of the guru and other silliness has been on a suicide slide for a generation or more. One interesting tidbit from the book is that Orenthal James “O. J.” Simpson (born July 9, 1947) father was a homosexual. It doesn’t have much to do with the state’s problems EXCEPT for the way San Francisco accepts them.

    Excellent read. Liberals hate it.

    americangrunthog said:
    -BOAGYA-

    No.

  73. #483838
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:55 am, 7thson said:

    You can e-mail Arnold here.

  74. #483843
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:57 am, Socky said:

    I held my nose and pulled the handle for the Governator because he got some things right, instead of his opponent, who got everything wrong.

    Boy, doesn’t that sound familiar?

  75. #483846
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:57 am, ajmontana said:

    California has a bunch of tooomahs, and bear listed em all…..
    T.H.E.Y.A.L.L.M.U.S.T.G.O.N.O.W.!

  76. #483848
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:59 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    FamilyMan said:

    TooMuchTime said: Remember Buck Knives? They used to be based near San Diego but got fed up with the high taxes and socialist regulations. So they moved to Idaho.

    Thank you. We appreciate them here.

    Yup. I still have one that I bought in 1977.

  77. #483858
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:04 pm, SHoward said:

    Hey TooMuchTime and others: Don’t forget a little company called Nissan North America moving it’s entire national HQ to Tennessee (Previous location Torrance, near Toyota).

    When I get my business ready for primetime, I’ll be back in FLA, where I won’t have to give 10% of my take to a socialist idiocracy.

  78. #483867
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:07 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    FamilyMan said:

    TooMuchTime said: Remember Buck Knives? They used to be based near San Diego but got fed up with the high taxes and socialist regulations. So they moved to Idaho.

    Thank you. We appreciate them here.

    You’re welcome. I’m sure the socialists here have passed some kind of legislation that makes knives “just as evil” as guns.

    The CA legislature is getting just what they want; an elite class and a lower class. Perfect socialism. Karl Marx would be proud of the government of CA.

  79. #483878
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:14 pm, opusrex said:

    On October 3rd, 2008 at 11:22 am, karnold said:

    As a Californian, I want to personally apologize to each and every one of you. It is our fault. Please, treat us like alcoholics or addicts, because we are addicted – to spending, to liberalism, and to welfare. For our sake and for the sake of the nation, we need your tough love. Don’t give us a handout. Don’t give us “just one sip.” You have to let us hit rock-bottom. You have to force us to see that our choices got us here, and only our own healthy choices can save us.

    We don’t need rehab; we need to do this cold-turkey.

    Lord knows I’ve tried. I supported Tom McClintock. I held my nose and pulled the handle for the Governator because he got some things right, instead of his opponent, who got everything wrong. Maybe we would have hit bottom faster if the other guy won.

    We’re saddled with an opposition of fools and idiots, people like Cruz Bustamente, Jerry Brown, Gray Davis, Maxine Waters, and dozens of other destructive elements – and a voter class which votes on the basis of race and identity politics, and who promises the most from the tax treasury to them. We are the state that gave you Gavin Newsome and Michael Newdow.

    This state isn’t even America anymore. This state is a third-world country catering to every deadbeat culture that comes here. I can’t drive to work without raging at people who drive like this was Mexico, Lebanon or Taiwan. I can’t think of the last time I saw three drivers successfully negotiate a four-way stop.

    We give free education, free medical care, welfare and food stamps to every creature that can fit into the Home Depot parking lot.

    Please – for our own good, you have to let us crash. Bailing us out will only encourage us to continue all the bad choices that got us here. I beg you; don’t help us until we help outselves.

    Seconded by a fellow California businessman.

  80. #483882
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:16 pm, normsrevenge said:

    The answer .. so simple.. Drill.

    California .. leading another wave..

    Pelosi.. Boxer.. Feinstein.. Schwarzenegger.. Rich,, all of them.

    Got Credit?

  81. #483883
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:16 pm, Weary Citizen said:

    Good posts. California is reaping what is sowed. Sorry to the few conservatives there but last I checked the pols there have never met a welfare recipient, illegal alien, or bum they didn’t like. PC has crushed that once beautiful state. As others stated, Texas is seeing many of those liberal cali refugees coming here and trying the same crap they escaped.

    We really do need a “financial enema” in this country to get back on the right track. Guaranteed to be some attitude adjustments about PC/Entitlemetns/Illegal aliens if some of the past prosperity disappears. All those mercedes driving liberal snobs would not be so generous if they had to work for a living everday and live in the filth their policies created. And the line of illegals going home would extend to Canada if the economic incentives for staying were removed. It would cure many of the PC ills plaguing us today. Sux it has to come to this but I see no other way to make the necessary changes.

  82. #483887
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:18 pm, cheapseat said:

    i said weeks ago that california, new york, new jersey, and connecticut would all be broke, with or without the bailout, because they spent their budgets forward like all good liberals. bonds by the blue blue blue states will be collapsing like the twin towers because these great bastions of social conscience aren’t to be trusted with other peoples money. when every answer to every problem is throw some opm at it, you will quickly be broke. i never felt arnold was a real conservative, but just like romney, you have to pick your battles when the legislature is the politburo.

  83. #483894
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:23 pm, ex-expat said:

    Hmmm Instead of ‘the governator’ he could be renamed ‘the loanenator’

  84. #483896
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:23 pm, Speakup said:

    Plans by several state and local governments to borrow in recent days have been upended by the credit freeze. New Mexico was forced to put off a $500-million bond sale, Massachusetts had to pull the plug halfway into a $400-million offering, and Maine is considering canceling road projects that were to be funded with bonds.

    Finally a proven way to make Mr.&Ms.*SLIC’s stop spending.

    *Stupid Liberals In Charge.

  85. #483897
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:24 pm, greenfairie said:

    This was once one of the more organized, well-kept states in the union. Now it’s a mess. Why don’t I pack up and go elsewhere? Because my only options are swamps and frozen tundras, and I’m done living in both. And as Virginia shows, a perfectly good place to live can turn overnight (VA is being invaded by liberals fleeing their own bad policies in New York, New Jersey, and New England…ditto for North Carolina).

    The three biggest impediments to real reform and change are the vise-like grip of the unions on Sacramento, the huge number of illegal aliens mooching off the taxpayer, and a huge number of voters who put identity politics and self-interest first. For too many people here, it’s all about who’s going to let me have orgies on the beach and keep the abortion clinics open 24/7?

    But it can’t keep going on like this forever. Even liberals need jobs and they are disappearing fast thanks to the aggressively anti-business philosophy of the state government. Even liberals don’t like seeing hospitals close or finding their schools full of illegal alien gangbangers. We just need another Howard Jarvis.

  86. #483908
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm, JD in D.C. said:

    CALIFORNIA, my home state, AS A MODEL:

    * liberal control of state gov’t
    * over 1/3 of the illegal alien population
    * massive taxation
    * anti-business climate

    …So to protect your state, DO THE OPPOSITE!

  87. #483913
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:30 pm, frontierguy said:

    The people of this state did it to themselves. They voted down the propositions to turn the government around. Propositions that would have stopped representatives from drawing their own lines to ensure they stay in office for life, taking power away from the unions, etc. Californians fell for the television ads here run day and night by the lying unions.

    California should ask the illegals who all got a huge payday by buying houses and running with the equity to give the money back to the state that provided them a safehaven. Well, California, you get the government you deserve and you got it.

  88. #483916
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 pm, John Ansell said:

    THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU VOTE L.O.T.E

    SAY NO TO MCINSANE as he’s just the same.

  89. #483922
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:35 pm, John Ansell said:

    Well, To be fair, Arnold did do something right.

    Publication : American Shipper

    Dates : 2nd October 2008

    Schwarzenegger vetoes Calif. container fee bill

    California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed a bill late Tuesday that sought to impose a $30-per-TEU statewide container fee on the state’s three busiest ports.

    “Given the current economic downturn it is vitally important that the state does not worsen the situation by mandating added costs on business that do not provide any public benefit,” Schwarzenegger said in his veto message.

    It is the third failed attempt of a version of the bill, strongly supported by a large coalition of environmental and pro-growth interests and opposed by the shipping and logistics industry.

    In vetoing the bill, the governor praised the goal of the legislation — to raise up to $500 million a year to be split evenly between congestion relief and environmental mitigation — but found fault its planned implementation.

    “This bill does not provide necessary assurances that projects will achieve the greatest cost-effectiveness, emission reductions, and public health protection,” Schwarzenegger said.

    He said the bill, which sought to impose the container fee on cargo moving through the ports of Long Beach, Los Angeles and Oakland, did not provide funds for environmental mitigation to communities in California’s Central Valley, despite a great deal of port container traffic moving through the valley.

    “Additionally, this bill would not provide any mechanism for the coordination and integration of infrastructure projects. As such, this bill would fail to provide long-term, strategic planning for the state’s goods movement infrastructure,” he said.

    State Sen. Alan Lowenthal, D-Long Beach, and author of the bill, has worked on passing the container fee plan for more than three years. This is the third version of the bill to move through the state legislature and the second time a version has passed and headed to the governor’s office. Schwarzenegger vetoed Lowenthal’s first version of the bill nearly four year ago.

    Lowenthal could not be reached Tuesday evening for comment on the veto.

    A statement from the Coalition for Clean Air, a bill proponent, slammed the governor for vetoing the bill.

    “It is disgusting that (Schwarzenegger) has sided with polluters over the health and well-being of those here at home,” said Martin Schlageter, campaign director at the Coalition for Clean Air.

    Due to a three-month delay in the approval of the state budget, Lowenthal’s bill became one of hundreds left in legislative limbo after the governor said he would sign no bills until the Legislature sent a budget to his desk.

    Since receiving the budget 12 days ago, Schwarzenegger has been moving through the backlog of bills awaiting his review for signature. By the end of the year’s signing session Tuesday night, he had signed 771 bills and vetoed 415 for all of 2008. This gives Schwarzenegger a 35 percent veto rate, the highest of any governor since the state legislature began meeting full time more than 40 years ago.

    In a press conference held Tuesday, Schwarzenegger denied he was punishing the Legislature with a high number of vetoes because of the budget battle.

    “We look at the bills in a very serious way and some bills, like I said, get vetoed and some bills will pass and I will sign,” he said. “It’s just the normal process that we always go through.”

    – Keith Higginbotham

  90. #483928
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:40 pm, right_on said:

    Living in Northern California, I have noticed an interesting trend. Sales of Home Security Systems is up, as are sales of handguns. Retailers are selling out their orders for handgun ammunition, almost as quickly as they come in. Has anyone of my fellow Californians noticed this trend? (And yes, I am stocking up.)

    Law enforcement locally, will not have the funds to put more officers on the street next year, and the ratio of police to citizen is falling below what is considered ideal. As such, the police have asked for more “public awareness” to help the police fight crime.

    People need to be more aware in order to safeguard their families and neighborhoods. The over-worked police may not be able to help you in an emergency. If you haven’t made a home invasion protection plan for your family yet, I encourage you to do so.

  91. #483936
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:42 pm, jbh45 said:

    Arnold, is an inept piece of “republican” trash and I’m ashamed I live in this god-forsaken state.

  92. #483939
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm, bananny said:

    As some of you here know, I’m in San Diego County (TJ Norte) and the changes I’ve seen in the 41 years I’ve been here is, well, words fail me.

    We’re out of here to Indiana in April. Some have said that we need to stay and fight the good fight, but we figure that even if things started to turn around TODAY (like THAT’s gonna happen ), it would take years to see the changes. Frankly, at age 52, I’d like to not have to fight at every turn because that’s what living in SoCal has turned into with all the illegals here. Everything is in Spanish & there is not one place you can go without hearing conversations in Spanish. If you don’t want to be inundated with the large families chattering away in another language, you learn to shop at certain hours, and we won’t frequent places where we know illegals are working (and trust me, it’s not hard to figure out, and it’s not long before word gets out).

    So, I say to Ah-nuld, Feinstein, Pelosi, Boxer, y’all created this with all the liberal feel-good positions that has been allowed for so long & allow Villaraigosa & Newsom their sanctuary cities, so TUFF.

    Hasta la vista, bay-bee.

  93. #483943
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:44 pm, jbh45 said:

    right-on #89, we are keeping our powder dry in socal. If BO wins, LA will burn in celebration. If BO loses LA will burn in protest. Either way, absolute chaos!

  94. #483949
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:47 pm, jbh45 said:

    bananny #91, I feel your pain. Socal is overrun with illegals and LA has become a 3rd world city. The bleeding hearts here have taken a once great city and flushed it down the toilet. The fight is getting harder and harder for the few conservatives that remain.

  95. #483960
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:50 pm, md1964 said:

    Mr Cal”IE”fornia… how about pushing the Illegal Aliens OFF the dole??? I think you could have a windfall profit (Way beyond the $7 billion you need, if you stopped giving illegals EVERYTHING!

  96. #483967
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm, purplepeep said:

    Y’know I could use “an emergency loan of as much as $7 billion” myself. Maybe I should get in line behind Ah-nold.

    Of course when the Fed prints up more $$$ to pay me and everyone else, a loaf of bread alone will run about $2.3 billion.

    German Inflation Notes, anyone?
    e.g. -
    “10 Million Mark September 2, 1923 -
    Would buy about ½ Pound of Meat, 4 eggs or 2 pounds of potatoes. Bread is 2 Million Mark a loaf.”

  97. #483971
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 12:53 pm, ronfromhollywood said:

    http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/12/06/news/top_stories/19_56_5812_5_04.txt

    …cost of illegal immigrants in 2004, $9 billion….

  98. #483994
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm, rambler said:

    What? California is bankrupt? There’s plenty of money in California. It’s time to start taxing all those Hollyweird types at 70% of their income since they’d still have a few mil left over and since they have had all the screwy ideas of wanting to tax us stupid pedestrian folks who don’t know how to think for ourselves. The only consequence would be that there would be fewer donations to candidates. Whimper…whimper!

  99. #484028
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 1:20 pm, b-cat said:

    On October 3rd, 2008 at 10:57 am, Southpaw said:
    It’s easy for people in other parts of the country to gripe about California, but they don’t have the enourmous burden of providing services to illegals, not to mention crime and gangs. You want to place blame for Californias’ financial problems, start with your own representatives in Washington for failing to act on immigration.

    I’m in VA and we have a greater illegal immigration problem here than I saw when I lived in southern NM-west TX. We’re being robbed blind, too. I completely agree about Washington and Bush.

  100. #484031
    On October 3rd, 2008 at 1:21 pm, LC said:

    Hey, I’ve got an idea. CA gets the “loan” if EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THIS STATE SIGN A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT NEVER TO RUN FOR OFFICE EVER AGAIN.

    I would be for the taxpayer footing this $7b bill if it meant we never had to deal with these fools EVER AGAIN.

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