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1. #486839
   On October 6th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, Dimsdale said:

   If you review my email, I said, in parentheses, or the regular kind. but take it as you will. Sorry if I am not as “up” on the drug culture as you are.

   The article says he used cocaine. I guess you have degrees of drug use. I consider the drug and its affects on the body.

   I am glad he stopped though…

2. #486840
   On October 6th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, cheapseat said:

   she explains why barrack who was raised a muslim suddenly switched to reverand wright’s house of enlightenment. can you imagine telling her no on a weekly basis. you can’t live with them, unless you submit.

3. #486842
   On October 6th, 2008 at 1:51 pm, Dimsdale said:

   Excuse me, I meant “effects on the body.” I was toying with that and “how it affects the body.”

   Hate when I do that.

4. #486843
   On October 6th, 2008 at 1:51 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

   And I still don’t see where it says in your article that Obama smocked crack. You people make things up on a whim. Classic.

   OK, I guess cocaine is better then.

5. #486853
   On October 6th, 2008 at 1:55 pm, sambo said:

   And I still don’t see where it says in your article that Obama smocked crack. You people make things up on a whim. Classic.

   free basing is ‘doing cocaine’.

6. #486855
   On October 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, nyk said:

   Sorry if I am not as “up” on the drug culture as you are.

   Um…crack was kind of a topic of frequent conversation in the ’80s. As a kid, I remember hearing about it on the national news every night. Not sure how you missed that (unless you were born in the late ’90s, in which case your mastery of a keyboard is astounding).

   The article says he used cocaine. I guess you have degrees of drug use. I consider the drug and its affects on the body.

   You have degrees of addiction and degrees of severity. Our legal system recognizes them. If you follow that sort of thing at all — or, say, watch the news or read the paper — this notion won’t be a surprise.

7. #486856
   On October 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, right4life said:

   You people make things up on a whim. Classic.

   you people?

   racist.

8. #486860
   On October 6th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, nyk said:

   free basing is ‘doing cocaine’.

   And koalas are a type of marsupial (since you’re obviously playing Free Association). I have no idea what point you’re trying to make.

9. #486866
   On October 6th, 2008 at 1:58 pm, sambo said:

   Obama merely experimented with drugs in his youth

   Is that kinda like experimenting with socialist radical idealism and experimenting with terrorism?

10. #486868
    On October 6th, 2008 at 1:59 pm, right4life said:

    so NYK, go ahead and explain what she did to warrant that 100k or so increase in her salary after her husband became senator…

11. #486871
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:00 pm, srhoades said:

    Kinda off topic but has anyone else seen the new Obama Youth youtube video?

    There’s a theory on the comments that YouTube is preventing the times viewed number from going up. I’ve refreshed several times and keep coming up with 571,301. I’d be interested to know if someone else get’s a higher number.

12. #486874
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, nyk said:

    Is that kinda like experimenting with socialist radical idealism and experimenting with terrorism?

    Ask Sarah Palin. As someone who experimented with drugs, perhaps she’ll have an answer for you.

    so NYK, go ahead and explain what she did to warrant that 100k or so increase in her salary after her husband became senator…

    First, please link to an unbiased source discussing said increase. (Hot Air, for example, wouldn’t count.)

13. #486875
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    so NYK, go ahead and explain what she did to warrant that 100k or so increase in her salary after her husband became senator…

    May I? $1 million dollar earmark? (In that range.)

14. #486883
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, rambler said:

    I’d crown her QUEEN OF THE WORLD if it would shut her up.

15. #486885
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, right4life said:

    Ask Sarah Palin. As someone who experimented with drugs, perhaps she’ll have an answer for you.

    when did she stop smoking dope? high school, college? obama admits to taking drugs in college, but doesn’t say when he stopped.

    Obama admits he refused heroin from a friend…you know I smoked a few joints, but I never had any friends who offered me heroin…didn’t know those kind of friends…interesting that obama did..

16. #486887
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, sambo said:

    srhoades said:
    Kinda off topic but has anyone else seen the new Obama Youth youtube video?

    Haven’t seen the video yet but I did email Michelle the story.
    They were chanting the Alpha and Omega?…
    Didn’t God say he was?

    Oh, Barak ‘The Rock’ is God. Right NYK?

17. #486889
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, right4life said:

    May I? $1 million dollar earmark? (In that range.)

    please nothing that corrupt could EVER happen in Chicago could it????

18. #486893
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    On October 6th, 2008 at 10:49 am, sausage said:
    “quite possibly the most ambitious associate that I’ve ever seen”
    That is awful – ambition in a woman?

    Not at all. Going over your boss’ head to complain that, as a second-year associate, you’re getting second-year associate work is just stupid.

    ECS

19. #486894
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:07 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Michelle’s pay raise article here.

    From USATODAY — a liberal bastion publication at best. Her annual salary increased from $121,910 to $316,962. AFTER her husband became a senator.

20. #486899
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:09 pm, right4life said:

    First, please link to an unbiased source discussing said increase. (Hot Air, for example, wouldn’t count.)

    nothing is unbiased…..

    Officials at the University of Chicago Hospitals say a promotion and large pay increase given to Sen. Barack Obama’s wife shortly after the Democrat was elected to Congress were well-deserved boosts for an executive who is “worth her weight in gold.” The Chicago Tribune has the story.

    “She’s terrific,” added Michael Riordan, who was president of the hospital in March 2005, when Michelle Obama was promoted to vice president for external affairs and had her annual salary increased from $121,910 to $316,962.

    link

    shortly after the Democrat was elected to Congress…Shazam!!

21. #486901
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:09 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    So much for the youth vote Obama:

    And a New York Times/CBS News/MTV poll of 17- to 29-year-olds released in June stated 74 percent of those polled would not vote for a presidential candidate who had ever used cocaine.

22. #486903
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:09 pm, right4life said:

    BlameAmericaLast said:

    thank you, great minds, etc…

23. #486905
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    MJ said:
    I’m glad that the Obama campaign is busting out the Keating 5 stuff. I kinda wish that they waited till after the last debate, but we can probably get 2 weeks of material out of the still relevant scandal.

    It might not be as damaging as you hoped:

    In the Keating Five case, Senate Ethics Committee Special Counsel Bill Bob Bennett, who did the preliminary investigation of the matter, recommended that no further action be taken against McCain:

    This was perhaps the first time the recommendation of a special counsel not to charge a senator was rejected. This was pure politics as the Democrats on the committee did not want to cut McCain loose so that only Democrats would remain in the proceedings.

    Ultimately, the committee found that McCain’s actions were not improper. Indeed, McCain took no action on Keating’s behalf after regulators said they intended to recommend a criminal investigation of Keating and his savings and loan.

    More here.

24. #486909
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:11 pm, srhoades said:

    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, sambo

    That’s the one, I linked it on my comment. The children singing is nothing compared to this. Combat boots and woodland utility trousers (BDUs to you none Marine Corps types).

25. #486912
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:11 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    There’s a theory on the comments that YouTube is preventing the times viewed number from going up. I’ve refreshed several times and keep coming up with 571,301. I’d be interested to know if someone else get’s a higher number.

    I’ve been through this with Youtube before. They don’t update in real time.

26. #486915
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:12 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Oh, and from the International Herald Tribute:

    Obama had written in his first book, “Dreams From My Father” (1995), before entering politics, that he had used marijuana and cocaine (”maybe a little blow”). He said he had not tried heroin because he did not like the pusher who was trying to sell it to him.

    Oh, but if he did find a pusher that he did like, he would’ve tried it?

    Sheesh! This gets even worse!

27. #486918
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:13 pm, nyk said:

    Obama admits he refused heroin from a friend…you know I smoked a few joints, but I never had any friends who offered me heroin…didn’t know those kind of friends…interesting that obama did..

    Obama went to Columbia — in NYC. Why would it be surprising that, at an Ivy League school in a town known for its trust fund junkies (and there are many), he might be offered any and all drugs? It isn’t.

    Oh, Barak ‘The Rock’ is God. Right NYK?

    Um…No. Actually, the only people obsessed with linking God and Obama are conservatives.

28. #486926
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:14 pm, sambo said:

    srhoades said:

    That video was done in school and was posted by the teacher. He is in trouble but I’m sure the Obama campaine will come to his rescue.

29. #486930
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:15 pm, nyk said:

    right4life wrote:

    THIS is your proof of corruption?

30. #486929
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:15 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Um…No. Actually, the only people obsessed with linking God and Obama are conservatives is the Mainstream Media.

    There. Fixed for you.

31. #486932
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:15 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    On October 6th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, Ilovemycountry said:
    What in the world is this thread about?

    It’s not about your deflection, moron.

    ECS

32. #486935
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, sambo said:

    Um…No. Actually, the only people obsessed with linking God and Obama are conservativesthe members of his cult.

33. #486936
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, right4life said:

    Um…No. Actually, the only people obsessed with linking God and Obama are conservatives.

    really? I didn’t know many conservatives wrote at the SF chronicle…

    Here’s where it gets gooey. Many spiritually advanced people I know (not coweringly religious, mind you, but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being who has the ability to lead us not merely to new foreign policies or health care plans or whatnot, but who can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help us evolve. They are philosophers and peacemakers of a very high order, and they speak not just to reason or emotion, but to the soul.

    link

34. #486937
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, nyk said:

    There. Fixed for you.

    Didn’t need fixing. I meant what I wrote. Thanks anyway, though.

35. #486941
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:17 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On October 6th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, nyk said:

    Sorry if I am not as “up” on the drug culture as you are.

    Um…crack was kind of a topic of frequent conversation in the ’80s. As a kid, I remember hearing about it on the national news every night. Not sure how you missed that (unless you were born in the late ’90s, in which case your mastery of a keyboard is astounding).

    Sorry, but I was too busy with earning my Ph.D. to be bothered with drugs and the details surrounding them. Coffee is my drug of choice, by the way.

    The article says he used cocaine. I guess you have degrees of drug use. I consider the drug and its affects on the body.

    You have degrees of addiction and degrees of severity. Our legal system recognizes them. If you follow that sort of thing at all — or, say, watch the news or read the paper — this notion won’t be a surprise.

    Well thank you for the lecture. Again, drugs, their use and legality is not my thing. Their effects on the nervous system is. Is cocaine any more or less penalized or illegal than crack cocaine? Does the legal system distinguish between the two, other than the obvious differential in use by different ethnic groups?

    Just (and honestly) curious, since you seem to know all about this.

36. #486943
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:17 pm, right4life said:

    THIS is your proof of corruption?

    yes, its called a quid pro quo…you know…the Chicago way

37. #486947
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I know, it doesn’t help their kids, but

    Here maybe

    Or here.

    Oh wait – the huge raise does help their kids.

    Note that the Washington Post article falsely (what else) said Obama only gets earmarks for public institutions like hospitals and schools. That’s an outright lie – he earmarked money for General Dynamics, as noted here. Let me quote:

    “But Obama’s list raised questions because it includes $8 million for a defense contractor that has ties to one of his most prodigious campaign fundraisers. According to the earmark disclosure, the money was for a project overseen by General Dynamics. Obama’s Illinois finance chairman, James S. Crown, serves on the company’s board of directors, and his family holds a sizable stake in the firm. Crown and his wife, Paula Crown, are members of Obama’s national finance committee and have raised more than $200,000 for the campaign, according to Obama’s campaign Web site.”

38. #486948
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:19 pm, right4life said:

    Obama went to Columbia — in NYC. Why would it be surprising that, at an Ivy League school in a town known for its trust fund junkies (and there are many), he might be offered any and all drugs? It isn’t.

    maybe I’m naive, but I put heroin and cocaine in an entirely different category than pot.

39. #486950
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:19 pm, tuffy said:

    Who wears BDUs anymore? How retro!

    I can’t take anything serious anymore. I seem to have reached maximum whatever.

    High-larious pic of Michelle, Michelle.

40. #486951
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, nyk said:

    really? I didn’t know many conservatives wrote at the SF chronicle…

    I don’t know many liberals who would even have thought to combine the words Obama and messiah, which gets used a lot around here. In fact, everytime I hear a reference to even minor deities when Obama’s name comes up, it’s inevitably always from a conservative. This whole “Obama is God” (or at least that his followers think he is) idea is a Republican creation. It’s just silly.

41. #486953
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Um…No. Actually, the only people obsessed with linking God and Obama are conservatives

    Just one example blows your entire statement out of the water.

    Rep. Steve Cohen, on the House floor, revisits a line that’s been bouncing around Democratic circles for a few days in defense of Obama’s community organizing.

    Jesus, he says, was a community organizer, adding (perhaps less controversially) that Pilate was a governor.

42. #486956
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:21 pm, nyk said:

    maybe I’m naive, but I put heroin and cocaine in an entirely different category than pot.

    It is, but it’s not hard to be offered any kinds of drugs 1) in NYC, or 2) in college — 3) particularly one attended by so many wealthy students.

43. #486961
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:22 pm, sambo said:

    He said he had not tried heroin because he did not like the pusher who was trying to sell it to him.

    Glad he didn’t have that problem with Aryes.

44. #486966
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:23 pm, right4life said:

    I don’t know many liberals who would even have thought to combine the words Obama and messiah,

    well the libs don’t like the word ‘messiah’ it might remind people of Jesus…so lightworker will do…

    even the UK columnists are goofing on obama and his messiah complex..

    He ventured forth to bring light to the world
    The anointed one’s pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action – and a blessing to all his faithful followers

    link

45. #486967
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, right4life said:

    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, 30 pcs of silver

    very good point, forget about that one!

46. #486968
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, nyk said:

    Jesus, he says, was a community organizer, adding (perhaps less controversially) that Pilate was a governor.

    As a way of countering a hard line Christian’s insult to community organizers. It was a way of hitting Sarah Palin in her soft spot — not of genuinely stating that Obama is a deity of some short. Literalism can get in the way of comprehension…

47. #486971
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    maybe I’m naive, but I put heroin and cocaine in an entirely different category than pot.

    Exactly.

48. #486974
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, sambo said:

    nyk said:
    I don’t know many liberals who would even have thought to combine the words Obama and messiah

49. #486978
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:26 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:21 pm, nyk said:

    maybe I’m naive, but I put heroin and cocaine in an entirely different category than pot.

    It is, but it’s not hard to be offered any kinds of drugs 1) in NYC, or 2) in college — 3) particularly one attended by so many wealthy students.

    Nor is it difficult to say “no thanks,” the best choice of all.

50. #486979
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:26 pm, nyk said:

    even the UK columnists are goofing on obama and his messiah complex..

    Um…Gerard Baker is American. So, his article doesn’t lend much credence to the idea that the Brits are on some anti-Obama tear.

51. #486983
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:26 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    And so does the DEA:

    Cocaine is a Class A drug — whereas pot is a Class C drug (least offensive)

52. #486985
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, nyk said:

    Nor is it difficult to say “no thanks,” the best choice of all.

    Make sure you mention that to Sarah Palin!

53. #486995
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:30 pm, Dimsdale said:

    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, nyk said:

    Nor is it difficult to say “no thanks,” the best choice of all

    .

    Make sure you mention that to Sarah Palin!

    If you mention it to Obama!

54. #486996
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:30 pm, right4life said:

    Um…Gerard Baker is American. So, his article doesn’t lend much credence to the idea that the Brits are on some anti-Obama tear.

    he reports from the US for the times..so unless the times is a member of the vast right wing conspiracy (let me guess, to you it is) he is spoofing a phenomenon that exists in this country.

    and didn’t obama talk about about healing the planet, and lowering the sea levels??

55. #486997
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Make sure you mention that to Sarah Palin!

    I think she made that decision back in high school, and she wasn’t dumb enough to get into cocaine either.

    Barack didn’t make that decision until he was in college, and possibly (more likely) beyond that. Make sure you tell him you don’t approve of his cocaine use.

56. #487000
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, right4life said:

    As a way of countering a hard line Christian’s insult to community organizers.

    what BS. this was done to compare obama to the Jesus, to make obama’s work as noble as HIS! it fits in with the liberal narrative that they are here to save us, cause we can’t save ourselves….

57. #487001
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, sambo said:

    nyk said:
    As a way of countering a hard line Christian’s insult to community organizersagitator.

    It was a way of hitting Sarah Palin in her soft spot — not of genuinely stating that Obama is a deity of some short. Literalism can get in the way of comprehension…

    WTF? Ok, I agree. Sarahs soft spot is that she is a governor and there was a governor 2000 years ago that did a bad thing!

58. #487006
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, chapoutier said:

    Barack didn’t make that decision until he was in college,

    And Rush Limbaugh didn’t make it until he was about 50, but many here seem to hold him in high enough regard.

59. #487011
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:37 pm, right4life said:

    And Rush Limbaugh didn’t make it until he was about 50, but many here seem to hold him in high enough regard.

    comparing an addiction to pain-killers to an addiction to illegal street drugs is like comparing the soviet union to the US…which libs did all the time..

60. #487014
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, nyk said:

    I think she made that decision back in high school, and she wasn’t dumb enough to get into cocaine either.

    So she got into drugs early in life, huh?

    Barack didn’t make that decision until he was in college, and possibly (more likely) beyond that.

    I have news for you people: People on college campuses around the country are experimenting with drugs. In fact, there’s someone doing drugs on a college campus as I write this! It’s a fairly well-known fact, actually.

    Make sure you tell him you don’t approve of his cocaine use.

    I don’t care much about the cocaine that Obama or George Bush snorted in college. Or the pot that Clinton and Sarah Palin smoked. Or even the crippling drug addiction Cindy “Pills n Thrills” McCain took. I just think it’s silly to sound off in one case (because the candidate disagrees with you) and not in another (because you and the candidate are on the same page).

61. #487018
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, pianoman said:

    Talk about completely and utterly derailing a thread!

62. #487023
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, sambo said:

    right4life said:
    and didn’t obama talk about about healing the planet, and lowering the sea levels??

    Not to mention that Michelle Obama said he was going to save our souls.

63. #487024
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Speaking of Ayers…here’s an interesting piece about Obama and Ayers in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

    Excerpt:

    Ayers, in charge of shaping CAC’s education philosophy, describes himself as “a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist.” Rather than focusing on anything as mundane as math or reading, the job of teachers, said Ayers, is to “teach against oppression.”

    Ayers “downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism,” writes Stanley Kurtz, a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

    “Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression,” reports Kurtz. “He believes teacher education programs should serve as ’sites of resistance’ to an oppressive system.”

    The question: Why do Obama’s deeds contradict his words? Is anyone in the mainstream media curious?

    Uh yeah, we’re still waiting for that too.

64. #487029
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:41 pm, chapoutier said:

    comparing an addiction to pain-killers to an addiction to illegal street drugs is like comparing the soviet union to the US…which libs did all the time..

    Why? Why is it any different? Because rich, predominately white people get hooked on pain killers?

65. #487030
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:41 pm, nyk said:

    And Rush Limbaugh didn’t make it until he was about 50, but many here seem to hold him in high enough regard.

    Touché, Chap.

    comparing an addiction to pain-killers to an addiction to illegal street drugs is like comparing the soviet union to the US…which libs did all the time..

    Comparing a SEVERE addiction to opiates (which are in the same family as heroin, such as in the cases of Limbaugh and Cindy Mccain) to dabbling in pot and cocaine in college is silly.

66. #487041
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:44 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Talk about completely and utterly derailing a thread!

    Back on track: “Grievance-mongering: It’s in Michelle Obama’s DNA.” The good news? No proof she ever smoked crack or snorted coke.

67. #487042
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:44 pm, ElCee said:

    People tend to get addicted to prescription pain killers in part because doctors tend to push them. I don’t know how many times my husband has been given prescriptions that have the potential for addiction, usually without the doctor even explaining the risk.

    We’ve gotten in the habit of looking everything up before using it.

68. #487050
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:46 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Comparing a SEVERE addiction to opiates (which are in the same family as heroin, such as in the cases of Limbaugh and Cindy Mccain) to dabbling in pot and cocaine in college is silly.

    Exactly, but I think you have it backward. One is a disease, the other poor judgement.

69. #487061
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Yeah, you’re right AlohaGuy, as it’s useless to point to these folks that Sarah Palin isn’t running for the #1 spot, and Barack Obama did illegal street drugs, which would’ve sent him to jail if he was caught — is not a fair comparison.

    Back to topic: Michelle O is a perpetual angry woman who thinks the world owes her something. I wish I had the opportunities she did when I was graduating high school. But since I didn’t qualify for affirmative action, I had to go to a non-Ivy League school.

    Poor me.

    /sarcasm

70. #487062
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, chapoutier said:

    One is a disease, the other poor judgement.

    A disease preceded and precipitated by poor judgment.

71. #487067
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:49 pm, chapoutier said:

    and Barack Obama did illegal street drugs, which would’ve sent him to jail if he was caught

    Bush did too. And he IS our #1.

72. #487070
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, sambo said:

    AlohaGuy said:
    Talk about completely and utterly derailing a thread!
    Back on track: “Grievance-mongering: It’s in Michelle Obama’s DNA.” The good news? No proof she ever smoked crack or snorted coke.

    I would say she never snorted coke just because of what people call it…white.

73. #487071
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, right4life said:

    A disease preceded and precipitated by poor judgment.

    where is all that liberal ‘compassion’ hmmmmm???

    liberal compassion is just another lie used to gain power.

74. #487072
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    As a way of countering a hard line Christian’s insult to community organizers. It was a way of hitting Sarah Palin in her soft spot — not of genuinely stating that Obama is a deity of some short. Literalism can get in the way of comprehension…
    

    Funny you should say that – Obama propped up his role as a community organizer as means of saying it is what geared him to become the POTUS… laughable indeed.

    Cohen then tries to prop up Obama’s community organizing activities by comparing him to Jesus and Palin to Pilate. We both know who is revered and who was not. I’ll concede that he may not have been deifying Obama but that’s not what you said – linking was all I needed to do to prove you incorrect.

75. #487073
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    A disease preceded and precipitated by poor judgment.

    Really? You know all about addiction? You have no idea. It takes over your entire life. And you have no control over it until you get professional help.

    This isn’t something that you say to yourself, “Oh, I think I’ll stop doing drugs today”.

    If it was that simple, everyone would be able to quit smoking tomorrow. Addiction is a physical (and mental) dependency that is a serious medical problem.

    Get a clue.

76. #487075
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, nyk said:

    But since I didn’t qualify for affirmative action have the grades or the drive, I had to go to a non-Ivy League school.

    More accurate that way.

    Exactly, but I think you have it backward. One is a disease, the other poor judgement.

    A disease nurtured into showing itself as a result of supremely poor judgement.

77. #487077
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:52 pm, right4life said:

    Why? Why is it any different? Because rich, predominately white people get hooked on pain killers?

    one is given by your physician, whom you trust to help make you better, and the other by some dude on street…

    I wouldn’t know……

78. #487080
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:53 pm, right4life said:

    But since I didn’t qualify for affirmative action have the grades or the drive, I had to go to a non-Ivy League school.
    More accurate that way.

    since the lightworker went to those ivy league schools, why won’t he release his grades? they must be so good, right??

    couldn’t be ties to Ayers, and a little affirmative action, now could it???

79. #487084
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, chapoutier said:

    Really? You know all about addiction? You have no idea.

    I know that no one is addicted to anything until they choose to use it (or in certain cases, overuse)*.

    Strangely your post deals with the effects, not causes of addiction, which was obviously not my point.

    *Well, certain exceptions for babies where the mother is a user, but you get my point.

80. #487085
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Excuse me Nyk, but I have Bachelor’s degree in addition to an MBA, so yeah, I did have good grades.

    I just wasn’t the right color to get into Princeton on their affirmative action program. Have you ever read MO’s thesis paper? It’s not even 6th grade level English.

81. #487090
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:56 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    I know that no one is addicted to anything until they choose to use it (or in certain cases, overuse)*.

    You truly are clueless.

82. #487092
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, chapoutier said:

    one is given by your physician, whom you trust to help make you better, and the other by some dude on street…

    And once the legally prescribed pills were gone, where did Rush go to get them?

    Doctors are incredibly sensitive to issues of addiction to pain killers and prescribe accordingly. Unfortunately some choose to then break the law and seek more illegally.

83. #487101
    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:59 pm, MtsEdge said:

    On October 6th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, chapoutier said:

    Can we please get back to the original point of this thread?

84. #487103
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, nyk said:

    I just wasn’t the right color to get into Princeton on their affirmative action program. Have you ever read MO’s thesis paper? It’s not even 6th grade level English.

    Well, everyone I know who did well in school and applied for good schools, got in. Regardless of color (and most of my friends went to Ivies or other esteemed schools. I’m just mentioning this because it explains why I’m incredulous about your story). If you didn’t get in, maybe you didn’t cut it.

    since the lightworker went to those ivy league schools, why won’t he release his grades? they must be so good, right??

    Well, he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law — so, obviously, yes. They must’ve been quite good.

85. #487106
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:01 pm, right4life said:

    And once the legally prescribed pills were gone, where did Rush go to get them?

    I assume the doctor gave him another presciption…you tell me.

    Unfortunately some choose to then break the law and seek more illegally.

    now thats a straight out lie. rush was never accused, or convicted of getting them illegally.

    even the ‘doctor shopping’ charge was bogus…please.

86. #487109
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, right4life said:

    Well, he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law — so, obviously, yes. They must’ve been quite good.

    I’m sure you’ll call for the release of his transcripts from columbia, and his lsat scores then, right?

    of course professors are never biased….

87. #487116
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:07 pm, nyk said:

    I’m sure you’ll call for the release of his transcripts from columbia, and his lsat scores then, right?

    No. You’re the one that’s so interested in his grades. You call.

    of course professors are never biased….

    If you think grades are so useless a determinant of a person’s talents (because of “bias” and such), then why are you so curious to see Obama’s?

88. #487117
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:07 pm, chapoutier said:

    of course professors are never biased….

    Law school exams are almost always done and graded anonymously.

89. #487119
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:08 pm, right4life said:

    If you think grades are so useless a determinant of a person’s talents (because of “bias” and such), then why are you so curious to see Obama’s?

    where did I say that?

90. #487125
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, right4life said:

    Law school exams are almost always done and graded anonymously.

    yeah and obama should have, or can get, the results and release them.

91. #487127
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:10 pm, right4life said:

    No. You’re the one that’s so interested in his grades. You call.

    you’re not curious about anything about obama are you now? I guess to you hanging with terrorists, and crazed black-power radical preachers is par for the course!

92. #487129
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, right4life said:

    Law school exams are almost always done and graded anonymously.

    sorry, I thought you were talking about the LSAT…

93. #487131
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, sambo said:

    since the lightworker went to those ivy league schools, why won’t he release his grades? they must be so good, right??

    Do not question the ONE. You do not need to see his grades or his birth certificate. These are all just distractions to your little mind. Get out and vote for me.

    Obama or die!

    Well, he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law — so, obviously, yes. They must’ve been quite good.

    and we don’t need to see his grades at Columbia! Evidentially he got through even though he was drugged up (which made it even harder). Just because he didn’t release his grades you should not insinuate he got in Harvard on affirmative action plans…and also don’t tell us about all the mentors and help these students get through these plans that almost make it impossible to fail.

94. #487132
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, nyk said:

    where did I say that?

    You imply it here:

    of course professors are never biased….

    If I misread what you mean, pardon me.

95. #487133
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    If you didn’t get in, maybe you didn’t cut it.

    I didn’t bother trying. Couldn’t afford it.

96. #487141
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Going to Ivy League guarantees you success? I don’t think so. Like I said before…there are numerous college dropouts that are extremely successful.

97. #487144
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, nyk said:

    you’re not curious about anything about obama are you now? I guess to you hanging with terrorists, and crazed black-power radical preachers is par for the course!

    I just think what you wrote is silly. I find these kinds of statements about Obama from conservatives to be just flat out ridiculous. Sorry. It’s just comical to me that you people actually believe those things.

98. #487146
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:15 pm, nyk said:

    Going to Ivy League guarantees you success? I don’t think so. Like I said before…there are numerous college dropouts that are extremely successful.

    Um…No one is arguing that there aren’t.

99. #487147
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:15 pm, right4life said:

    You imply it here:

    of course professors are never biased….
    If I misread what you mean, pardon me.

    ok, maybe I’m mistaken, but I thought he would have written many articles as president of the harvard law review…and he only wrote one..and it wasn’t that well written…

    so yes, I am curious about his grades, and how he got into harvard…and given a graduation with honors, how that squares with what he wrote…

100. #487150
     On October 6th, 2008 at 3:17 pm, right4life said:

     I just think what you wrote is silly. I find these kinds of statements about Obama from conservatives to be just flat out ridiculous. Sorry. It’s just comical to me that you people actually believe those things.

     really? so Ayers isn’t a terrorist, Wright isn’t a wacko crazed black-power preacher…or do you just deny obama knew any of them?

     please enlighten me on what you find ’silly’.