Bitter half alert: Michelle Obama’s boss says she was “perenially dissatisfied”

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 6, 2008 10:30 AM

Once a whiner, always a whiner.

Grievance-mongering: It’s in Michelle Obama’s DNA.

From one who knew her best:

“But Michelle could also frustrate her supervisors. Quincy White, the partner who helped recruit Michelle and who headed the marketing group, remembers finding her a challenge to manage. White, who is now retired from the firm, says he gave her the most interesting work he could find, in part because he wanted to see her advance, but also because she seemed perennially dissatisfied.

She was, White recalls, “quite possibly the most ambitious associate that I’ve ever seen.” She wanted significant responsibility right away and was not afraid to object if she wasn’t getting what she felt she deserved, he says.

Waiting for the Associated Press analysis that will find a way to accuse anyone who calls attention to this anecdote a RAAAAAAACIST!

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  1. #201
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:18 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Um…No one is arguing that there aren’t.

    Oh, but you see, you have implied that I am stupid by saying I didn’t have the grades (in your earlier post) or I wasn’t good enough to “cut it”.

    You’re really good at ASSuming things, aren’t you?

  2. #202
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:19 pm, nyk said:

    so yes, I am curious about his grades, and how he got into harvard…and given a graduation with honors, how that squares with what he wrote…

    Okay. I see your point.

    Conversely, I have zero interest in seeing Sarah Palin’s college grades. I think I can guess about those.

  3. #203
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:21 pm, nyk said:

    Oh, but you see, you have implied that I am stupid by saying I didn’t have the grades (in your earlier post) or I wasn’t good enough to “cut it”.

    Um…No, I out-and-out stated that perhaps you didn’t fare well enough in high school to get into an ivy. You’re the one who got defensive — but I certainly never called or implied that you were stupid.

  4. #204
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:22 pm, sambo said:

    so yes, I am curious about his grades, and how he got into harvard…and given a graduation with honors, how that squares with what he wrote…

    I’m sure we can get Lin Biden to vouch for them!

  5. #205
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, right4life said:

    Conversely, I have zero interest in seeing Sarah Palin’s college grades. I think I can guess about those.

    amazing how she could outwit that great intellect biden so easily isn’t it?

  6. #206
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, nyk said:

    amazing how she could outwit that great intellect biden so easily isn’t it?

    It would have been amazing if she had. But the limits of reality being what they are, she didn’t.

  7. #207
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    It would have been amazing if she had. But the limits of reality being what they are, she didn’t.

    Yeah, OK. Sure.

    A 44-year old woman who gets to be governor by that age is sure stupid!

    /sarcasm

  8. #208
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:28 pm, sambo said:

    so yes, I am curious about his grades, and how he got into harvard…and given a graduation with honors, how that squares with what he wrote…

    I’m sure we can get Lin Biden to vouch for them!

  9. #209
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:28 pm, right4life said:

    It would have been amazing if she had. But the limits of reality being what they are, she didn’t.

    you libs really are on a different planet…so explain to me when and how, in great detail, we removed Hizbullah from lebanon…I’d must have missed it…

  10. #210
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:28 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Um…No, I out-and-out stated that perhaps you didn’t fare well enough in high school to get into an ivy. You’re the one who got defensive — but I certainly never called or implied that you were stupid.

    Yeah you did. You ASSumed I couldn’t cut it for Ivy League. Did you ever think I couldn’t afford it? No, because you didn’t even go there.

  11. #211
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, nyk said:

    A 44-year old woman who gets to be governor by that age is sure stupid!

    Being successful in politics doesn’t make you a genius in my eyes. Neither does being unable to answer simple questions. So you can see why I’m dubious in Palin’s case.

  12. #212
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, right4life said:

    oh and don’t forget, please tell me what is ridiculous about ayers, wright, and obama??

  13. #213
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    I’m sure we can get Lin Biden to vouch for them!

    Oh, yes. Mr. “I have three degrees, and I’m smarter than you” Biden.

    Until he had to come clean about that lie too.

  14. #214
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:31 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Being successful in politics doesn’t make you a genius in my eyes. Neither does being unable to answer simple questions. So you can see why I’m dubious in Palin’s case.

    No one has claimed she’s a genius. Reagan wasn’t a genius either. But he did know how to manage a country. Just as Palin knows how to manage a state. Something Obama has never done — managed anything in his life.

    See there’s a difference in street smarts vs. book smarts.

  15. #215
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    but I thought he would have written many articles as president of the harvard law review…and he only wrote one..and it wasn’t that well written…

    Students, as a general rule, only write one note. I can’t think of any of my friends, editors included, that wrote more than that.

  16. #216
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, nyk said:

    Yeah you did. You ASSumed I couldn’t cut it for Ivy League. Did you ever think I couldn’t afford it? No, because you didn’t even go there.

    Ivies that want a student who has done really well in secondary school offer scholarships — some of the largest, actually, because those schools have the largest endowments. Guessing that you weren’t at the top of your class, or they would’ve offered you money (and a tremendous number of students at those schools receive some form of financial aid).

    Not getting into an ivy doesn’t make you stupid. This clearly hit a nerve with you. Insecure much?

  17. #217
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, chapoutier said:

    you libs really are on a different planet…so explain to me when and how, in great detail, we removed Hizbullah from lebanon…I’d must have missed it…

    Why didn’t Palin call him on it during the debate, if she so thoroughly destroyed him?

    Was it because the answer wasn’t on her cue cards?

  18. #218
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:35 pm, right4life said:

    Why didn’t Palin call him on it during the debate, if she so thoroughly destroyed him?

    so many lies, so little time. I find it interesting that no one outside of conservative circles, is interested in that.

  19. #219
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:35 pm, nyk said:

    No one has claimed she’s a genius. Reagan wasn’t a genius either.

    I’ll say!

    See there’s a difference in street smarts vs. book smarts.

    I guess I prefer my candidates have a modicum of the former in addition to the latter.

  20. #220
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:37 pm, chapoutier said:

    so many lies, so little time.

    She had plenty of time for irrelevant personal stories and “shout outs” though.

  21. #221
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:38 pm, right4life said:

    She had plenty of time for irrelevant personal stories and “shout outs” though.

    but she’s just a dumb girl…whereas biden is the GURU on foreign policy…but a huge gaffe like that is unremarkedd and unnoticed…

    interesting, don’t you think?

  22. #222
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:38 pm, sambo said:

    nyk siad:
    Ivies that want a student who has done really well in secondary school offer scholarships — some of the largest, actually, because those schools have the largest endowments. Guessing that you weren’t at the top of your class, or they would’ve offered you money (and a tremendous number of students at those schools receive some form of financial aid).

    So there your answer is BlameAmericaLast…You couldn’t cut the mustard like Michelle or Barak the Rock. They both must have finished first in there class or they wouldn’t have gotton the money to go to these schools.

  23. #223
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:38 pm, nyk said:

    She had plenty of time for irrelevant personal stories and “shout outs” though.

    And incessant winking.

  24. #224
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:39 pm, right4life said:

    No one has claimed she’s a genius. Reagan wasn’t a genius either.
    I’ll say!

    that shows how ignorant and uniformed you are. I remember reagan on firing line debates with Buckley, where he opposed buckley on the panama canal, for example, he more than held his own.

  25. #225
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:40 pm, Joy said:

    I can explain how people get addicted to painkillers in one word:

    PAIN

    When your body is screaming in pain, you reach for the bottle as much as it takes to kill the pain. Unless you know what it’s like to be in excruciating pain over a long period of time, you can’t possibly understand what it does to you. It saps you of your energy, your sleep and your very life. Drugs that are strong enough to cut through that kind of pain become NECESSARY. And then when, IF, the time comes that you are healed of what was causing the pain, your body remains addicted to the painkillers.

    Comparing someone who was battling extreme pain to some elite hippie in college trying drugs just for the fun of it, is STUPID.

  26. #226
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:41 pm, right4life said:

    Comparing someone who was battling extreme pain to some elite hippie in college trying drugs just for the fun of it, is STUPID.

    or a liberal democrat…oops, same thing…sorry…

  27. #227
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:43 pm, TxSkirt said:

    Hey, nyk, right and Chap–you sound like my kids. Right and Chap, I’ve told you before not to make fun of nyk, he can’t help it. Liberalism is a disease and you must not make fun of the inflicted. Nyk, don’t go looking for a fight on a conservative blog site. Daily kos would love to have you back, so go home.

    Now behave.

  28. #228
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:45 pm, Tranceman said:

    but also because she seemed perennially dissatisfied. quite possibly the most ambitious associate that I’ve ever seen. She wanted significant responsibility right away and was not afraid to object if she wasn’t getting what she felt she deserved, he says.

    What is wrong with that?? Seems to be exactly what any company would want. A real go-getter. Sheeesh, McCain should have choose her for VP, not the mentally challenged Palin!

  29. #229
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:45 pm, nyk said:

    Right and Chap, I’ve told you before not to make fun of nyk, she can’t help it. Liberalism is a disease and you must not make fun of the inflicted.

    Chap IS a liberal, moron. Your “joke” fell flat.

  30. #230
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, nyk said:

    What is wrong with that??

    There isn’t. They’re desperate.

  31. #231
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Guessing that you weren’t at the top of your class, or they would’ve offered you money (and a tremendous number of students at those schools receive some form of financial aid).

    Not getting into an ivy doesn’t make you stupid. This clearly hit a nerve with you. Insecure much?

    No, just confirmed you’re a complete ass. You have no idea what you’re talking about. I went to a top 20 business school (at the time) for my MBA.

  32. #232
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:47 pm, sambo said:

    Yea, I think chaps a liberal moron to,

  33. #233
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:47 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Liberalism is a disease and you must not make fun of the inflicted.

    No, it’s a genetic disorder.

  34. #234
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:48 pm, nyk said:

    I went to a top 20 business school (at the time) for my MBA.

    Good for you!

    And yes, it clearly did hit a nerve. Sorry about your getting rejected from an ivy or whatever kept you from going.

    Good luck in your other endeavors!

  35. #235
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:49 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    She wanted significant responsibility right away and was not afraid to object if she wasn’t getting what she felt she deserved, he says.

    Maybe someone there thought she wasn’t ready or qualified for more responsibility?

    She probably had an ego the size of the moon and thought she was better than everyone else. Too bad they didn’t read her thesis paper — you know, the one that’s about 6th grade level grammar?

  36. #236
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, sambo said:

    BlameAmericaLast

    My point must have fallen short because Michelle didn’t finish first in her class or have the grades to get in an Ivy league school herself (on her own merits).

  37. #237
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, nyk said:

    Liberalism is a disease and you must not make fun of the inflicted.

    What do they call the disease that makes you unable to tell liberals and hard right conservatives apart?

    Sheesh.

  38. #238
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, right4life said:

    still no answer about why ayers, wright, obama, et al, are ’silly’….

  39. #239
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    And yes, it clearly did hit a nerve. Sorry about your getting rejected from an ivy or whatever kept you from going.

    Uh, nothing kept me from going. You see, I’m a firm believer in zero debt. Never do or buy anything you can’t afford.

    I have no credit card debts (paid off in full each month), no loans, nothing, except for 4 years left on a fixed rate mortgage.

    Hmmm…maybe that’s something the rest of the population should think about. Managing their money.

  40. #240
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:54 pm, nyk said:

    Never do or buy anything you can’t afford.

    At least we totally agree here.

  41. #241
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:54 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    My point must have fallen short because Michelle didn’t finish first in her class or have the grades to get in an Ivy league school herself (on her own merits).

    Didn’t fall short. We all know the real reason she got into Princeton. And we all know why she got that monstrous raise after her husband became a senator.

  42. #242
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:55 pm, sambo said:

    BlameAmericaLast said:
    Hmmm…maybe that’s something the rest of the population should think about. Managing their money.

    Obama is going to manage our money for us!

  43. #243
    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:56 pm, chapoutier said:

    My point must have fallen short because Michelle didn’t finish first in her class or have the grades to get in an Ivy league school herself (on her own merits).

    I am sorry, but where is your proof. I see it thrown out here a lot that Barack and Michelle benefited from affirmative action. But the only proof I have seen basically consists of:

    1) they are black
    2) they are liberal and I disagree with them.
    3) ergo, they MUST not have succeeded on their own.

    Do you have any unique evidence to offer?

  44. #244
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:01 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Do you have any unique evidence to offer?

    Download and read her thesis paper and then get back to us and let us know if you think that’s Princeton level material.

    If I had written something like that I probably wouldn’t have gotten into community college.

  45. #245
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:02 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Do you have any unique evidence to offer?

    Hmmm, then maybe the Caymans are looking pretty good after all.

  46. #246
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:03 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Oops..my copy paste skills while trying to eat lunch at the same time weren’t quite up to par….

    What I meant to quote was…

    Obama is going to manage our money for us!

  47. #247
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:11 pm, sambo said:

    Do you have any unique evidence to offer?

    Newsweek: “At Harvard, she felt the same racial divide [she felt at Princeton]. Verna Williams and Michelle became friends in their first year of law school. She remembers many of their fellow black students worrying that white classmates viewed them as charity cases. But she suggests Michelle was not among them. ‘She recognized that she had been privileged by affirmative action and she was very comfortable with that,’ Williams recalls.”

    Michelle seems to be into revisionist history.

    Newsweek: “Michelle recalls things differently. A campaign spokeswoman says she had an edge getting into Princeton not because of affirmative action, but because her older brother was there as a scholar athlete. She was a ‘legacy,’ just like any other applicant with family ties to Princeton.”

    Newsweek on young Michelle: “She did well in school (she skipped second grade), but she was not at the top of her class. She didn’t get the attention of the school’s college counselors, who helped the brightest students find spots at prestigious universities…. Some of her teachers told her she didn’t have the grades or test scores to make it to the Ivies. But she applied to Princeton and was accepted.”

  48. #248
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, atheling said:

    Write letters to your local rags and do the job that the media won’t.

    This is what I wrote, in 200 words, and I give anyone here permission to use it as their own to their local paper:

    Michelle Obama stated that Barack is “not afraid to choose smart people” to advise him. One of Obama’s “smart people” is Franklin Raines, whose compensation from Fannie Mae was $91.1 million, including $52.6 million in bonuses, thanks to the Democrat Party’s legislation on lowering the standard for sub prime mortgage lending, commencing with the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 under Jimmy Carter. John McCain warned Congress about the impending disaster two years ago. Maxine Waters, Barney Frank and other Democrats insisted that no such danger existed – on video!

    What are Obama’s achievements as a community organizer from the corrupt Chicago political machine? His affiliation with ACORN, which is currently under investigation for voter registration fraud in several states, reveals that he legally represented that organization against mortgage lenders for not issuing enough loans to low income minorities – many of whom were unable to afford a mortgage in the first place – whose mortgages we taxpayers are now purchasing with this bailout. It was that kind of legislation and legal pressure which created this monster, and we have Barack Obama and the Democrat Party to thank for it!

  49. #249
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, crashemt said:

    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, nyk said:

    I just think what you wrote is silly. I find these kinds of statements about Obama from conservatives to be just flat out ridiculous. Sorry. It’s just comical to me that you people actually believe those things.

    OK. How about these:

    - Most liberal voting record in Congress, ever!
    - 2nd highest monetary donations from Fannie and Freddie, in 1/5 the time of all the others on the list
    - Plans on invading an ally with nukes (Pakistan) which will destabilize a region, while sitting down to talk with two sworn enemies (North Korea and Iran) who are working on nukes (that will eventually destabilize those regions)
    - Will remove the rights of individuals to freely associate (1st Amendment) when on jobs in union shops or areas where the unions are lobbying
    - Will raise more than $1.4 Trillion in taxes over 5 years, when it is estimated that his proposed tax on those making more than $250,000 annually will only raise $225 Billion in that same time
    - Will negotiate with (get this) insurance companies, whose specific role in health care is to pay less and keep costs low (to keep members in), to lower costs of health care while, as we speak, doctors and nurses are facing the largest shortage of labor ever due to the decreasing salaries and increasing liability of health care
    - Is a vehement advocate for total gun control, which has worked so well in his hometown of Chicago that you are now more likely to die from gun-related violence there than in Iraq
    - Has legislative accomplishments that include: displaying Federal spending on an internet site (which he co-authored with McCain!!!), give 0.7% of our GDP to help fight global poverty, and a bill that expanded discrimination compensation for (quote from his website) “thousands of black farmers under the Pigford settlement”.

    Are those points a little better for you?

  50. #250
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:31 pm, nyk said:

    Are those points a little better for you?

    Uh…no. Half of what you wrote is (erroneous) conjecture (“Plans on invading an ally with nukes”) and the other half is just plain wrong (“Is a vehement advocate for total gun control”; “Most liberal voting record in Congress, ever!”).

    Anyway, I’m out. Enjoy your evenings.

  51. #251
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:32 pm, TxSkirt said:

    nyk, you sound as mad as MO. Calm down.

  52. #252
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:35 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I know that no one is addicted to anything until they choose to use it

    Like choosing painkillers for pain?

    Anyway the topic is Whiney MichelleO.

  53. #253
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:35 pm, nyk said:

    nyk, you sound as mad as MO. Calm down.

    I’m not angry. I feel sad for you over your inabilty to tell apart POLAR OPPOSITE political philosophies is all.

  54. #254
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:37 pm, chapoutier said:

    Like choosing painkillers for pain?

    Again, doctors are hypersensitive to addiction issues and prescribe accordingly. The problems come when the patient overuses and abuses. Generally.

  55. #255
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:44 pm, mistressjustice said:

    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:37 pm, chapoutier said:

    And to answer the question of another, Rush was accused charged with criminal offenses. He accepted a pre-trial intervention program here in Florida, rather than go to trial. I know neither Rush or Cindy McCain are running for president, but they both became degenerate, law breaking drug addicts, before being rehabilitated.

  56. #256
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:52 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    I know neither Rush or Cindy McCain are running for president, but they both became degenerate, law breaking drug addicts, before being rehabilitated.

    Oh, that only goes for Republicans that have had past issues with drug problems, but not Democrats. All Democrats with drug problems are excused folks.

  57. #257
    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:53 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Again, doctors are hypersensitive to addiction issues and prescribe accordingly. The problems come when the patient overuses and abuses. Generally.

    I guess you’re the expert doctor here because you seem to know everything about drug addiction, it’s causes, etc.

    /sarcasm

  58. #258
    On October 6th, 2008 at 5:01 pm, chapoutier said:

    Don’t believe me, Blame America. Believe pain management expert Allen Lebovits, PhD:

    Yes, you are right. As I have said before, almost all pain patients do not get addicted to pain medications if they’re taken in the proper fashion. You may develop dependence or tolerance, but as I’ve said before those are normal physiological reactions.

  59. #259
    On October 6th, 2008 at 5:12 pm, mistressjustice said:

    Oh, that only goes for Republicans that have had past issues with drug problems, but not Democrats. All Democrats with drug problems are excused folks.

    I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m responding to an earlier post questioning if Rush committed any crimes. Rush, Cindy McCain, and Obama have been addressed on this thread so far. If you want to make a list of democrats who used drugs, knock youself out. I’m not interesting in a pissing contest on the issue. Your response here makes little sense, and is strangely defensive.

  60. #260
    On October 6th, 2008 at 5:12 pm, xblade said:

    Waiting for the Associated Press analysis that will find a way to accuse anyone who calls attention to this anecdote a RAAAAAAACIST!

    How can they not? The guy’s last name is White, for goodness sake, lol.

  61. #261
    On October 6th, 2008 at 5:42 pm, Jipc said:

    This doesn’t surprise me one bit… Did anyone actually WATCH the Democratic National Convention? When Michelle Obama was up there speaking, she focused on her hard-working and disabled father for giving her the drive to succeed as well as her big brother who watched over her. Her mother made her ambition possible because she babysat Michelle’s children. I can’t remember her mother ever smiling with pride (or anything else for that matter) that her daughter was giving a speech that very well may have added to her chances of becoming the next first lady. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, in my opinion. Michelle’s mother looked very bitter indeed!!!

  62. #262
    On October 6th, 2008 at 5:43 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Bitter half alert: Michelle Obama’s boss says she was “perenially dissatisfied”

    Topic.

    OT – “almost all pain patients do not get addicted to pain medications ” correct, “almost all”
    /OT

  63. #263
    On October 6th, 2008 at 6:26 pm, mistressjustice said:

    OT – “almost all pain patients do not get addicted to pain medications ” correct, “almost all”
    /OT

    OT-
    I am trying to overcome an addiction to snickerdoodle cookies from Great American Cookie. I have become strungout as I impatiently wait in line behind mothers with small children.

    “Hurry up with the frickin birthday chocolate chip, Meredith. The snickers just came out of the oven”.
    /OT

  64. #264
    On October 6th, 2008 at 6:35 pm, chapoutier said:

    OffT

    OT – “almost all pain patients do not get addicted to pain medications ” correct, “almost all”

    Yeah, Rush was the exception. Funny that I’ll bet every pill junkie you asked would give you the same response. It wasn’t their fault. They were the exception./OffT

    OnT The sqeaky wheel gets the grease. No one progresses very far in a law firm like Sidley without being their own best advocate. She may have crossed some lines, but I have zero doubt they would rather have someone like her than someone who is happy enough making the minimum billables to bonus and biding their time and collecting their fat paychecks before bolting./OnT

  65. #265
    On October 6th, 2008 at 7:55 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Still OT
    For a serious look at opiates and the the risk of dependence (in this case in managing arthritis pain) check out Johns Hopkins. (They have other papers on it too, this one was easy to find.)
    “In a study of chronic low back pain patients, 34% developed a substance use disorder, and in all cases, a history of substance abuse was present before the onset of their chronic pain.” Rather surprising but seems to have been mostly true in several studies.

    later in the article
    “In addition, individuals with a previous history of substance abuse prior to study entry were found to be at increased risk for recurrence during treatment for chronic pain. The mechanism of relapse back to substance abuse in these patients is not well understood and probably involves multiple factors; however, a cycle of pain followed by relief after taking medications is an example of operant reinforcement of their future use. Therefore, if the patient has unresolved pain and perceives a lack of commitment to treatment by the physician, they are at high risk for relapse into substance abuse. The best prevention of relapse comes from aggressive treatment of pain and close follow-up to monitor the patient for signs of relapse into dependence/addiction.”

    Many patients do not get that “aggresive treatment of pain.” Why?
    “Fears of regulatory pressure, medication abuse and the development of tolerance create a reluctance to prescribe opioids and many studies have documented this “underutilization”.

    So for Rush and Cindy, treatment and followup by their physicians seems more appropriate than the criminal justice system (as for many others).

    As for MichelleO, she says she doesn’t test well, and I believe her.

  66. #266
    On October 6th, 2008 at 8:03 pm, chapoutier said:

    Aloha, the link doesn’t work, but did the study say that the people that developed the addiction followed the prescribed regiment? Cause that is my point.

    So for Rush and Cindy, treatment and followup by their physicians seems more appropriate than the criminal justice system (as for many others).

    I agree.

  67. #267
    On October 6th, 2008 at 8:06 pm, right4life said:

    On October 6th, 2008 at 4:31 pm, nyk said:
    Are those points a little better for you?
    Uh…no. Half of what you wrote is (erroneous) conjecture

    again the denial, but nothing to back up what you say. you never could answer my question about why wright is ’silly’. you libs cannot deal with issues, and have to ignore or deny them.

    but then you wouldn’t be a good liberal if you were capable of independent thought.

  68. #268
    On October 6th, 2008 at 8:13 pm, right4life said:

    And to answer the question of another, Rush was accused charged with criminal offenses

    I assume that was me…this is what I said:

    now thats a straight out lie. rush was never accused, or convicted of getting them illegally.

    this charge of ‘doctor shopping’ was a trumped up democRAT charge, just like the charges against Delay. it was only used once before against someone. just more proof that the RATs will do anything for power, and destroy anyone who stands in their way.

    pure evil.

  69. #269
    On October 6th, 2008 at 8:14 pm, right4life said:

    and when I said ‘get them illegally’ I meant fromm the street…obviously.

  70. #271
    On October 6th, 2008 at 8:19 pm, chapoutier said:

    this charge of ‘doctor shopping’ was a trumped up democRAT charge, just like the charges against Delay. it was only used once before against someone. just more proof that the RATs will do anything for power, and destroy anyone who stands in their way.

    So why didn’t Rush fight them with firey indignation? Why didn’t he but those DemocRATS in their place like the true warrior he is? Why did he agree to accept outpatient treatment?

    Let me guess…just like O’Reilly settled the falafel suit…he “just wanted to get it behind him” and “move on with his life” or some crap like that that all the guilty ones say.

  71. #272
    On October 6th, 2008 at 8:20 pm, chapoutier said:

    and when I said ‘get them illegally’ I meant fromm the street…obviously.

    So if someone embezzles, they didn’t do anything illegal, as opposed to the mugger?

  72. #273
    On October 6th, 2008 at 8:40 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    This started out to be about bho’s woman however, may I say something? I’ve been taking pain meds for about 2 years now. Since starting my prescription I have not had one missed day of work because of my back pain and before I missed anywhere from 1-5 days monthly (or more). I’m divorced and living alone so you should see the taxes that come out of my paycheck!!! If taken according to a GOOD Drs directions the benifits far outweigh the hazards.

  73. #275
    On October 6th, 2008 at 9:12 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Oops sorry, here’s the link. Hopefully that will work. The most surprising thing to me is that virtually everyone who developed a dependency had a previous substance abuse problem (not that I’m saying anything about Rush or Cindy).

    Getting the patient off can be tricky for a number of reasons. If you have “rebound pain” I can imagine it might cause a whole cycle that could lead to abuse.

    “The essential element for successful opioid detoxification is the gradual tapering of the dose. Opioid withdrawal is generally not dangerous except in patients at risk from increased sympathetic tone, such as those with increased intracranial pressure or unstable angina. However, opioid withdrawal is very uncomfortable and distressing to patients. Tapering opioids often results in exacerbation of the patient’s primary pain symptom (rebound pain). Increases in pain can occur even if the analgesic effects of opioid therapy had not been appreciable. Although it is generally not possible to avoid discomfort completely, the goal of detoxification is to ameliorate withdrawal. “

  74. #276
    On October 6th, 2008 at 9:13 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    So if someone embezzles, they didn’t do anything illegal, as opposed to the mugger?

    Not in the mortgage business anyway…

  75. #277
    On October 6th, 2008 at 9:28 pm, joannmandolin said:

    Since we’re way off topic anyway, I’d like to mention how it went today when I cancelled my Dooshbag Network b/c of their Obama channel.
    After I stated why I’m canceling, the low level rep read a prepared statement
    ‘paid advertisement’…..not an endorsement…..McCain could also buy a channel…..my payments are not supporting Obama’s airtime…etc. She then transferred me to the ’specialist’, who then read the same statement and asked “why did I really want to cancel’?
    I stated it was due to Obama’s ties to an unrepentant terrorist and his socialist agenda. As if that were not enough, this idiot wanted more reasons!
    I told her to just shut up and cancel my account, it’s not up for debate, I have to go back to my self appointed social program job.

    So, I’m done with those Tards.
    Guess I’ll be watching the debates on PBS. Hurl!!!

    Not sure how soon it will be reported to the ToofSquads here in St L, but I’m expecting that knock on the door, or at least a phat audit from the IRS.

    But, I will not be kept
    Silent In St Louis!!!

  76. #278
    On October 7th, 2008 at 7:42 am, rambler said:

    There are other reasons not to go to the ivies other than ability to pay. Not all schools have all majors. The dime a dozen majors have more status when coming from ivies. Even an ordinary college can have a world class program in a specific major. Princeton taught MO well, enabling her to continue her whinny ways. Maybe if she had truely been qualified to be there, she might be different today.

  77. #279
    On October 7th, 2008 at 9:15 am, right4life said:

    #266On October 6th, 2008 at 8:19 pm, chapoutier said

    you really are a piece of work. you’re a liar as well as a moron. rush fought those trumped up political charges for years.

    The truth is that Krischer never had a case. In November 2005, the assistant state attorney handling the investigation stood up in open court and made the mind-blowing admission that he had “no idea” whether Rush had committed a crime—after pursuing Rush, and crawling through every aspect of his private life, for over two years. He claimed he needed the court to authorize the evisceration of Rush’s doctor-patient privilege so he could interview physicians. Why? Because after months and months of poring over Rush’s actual medical records the prosecutor had no proof that Rush had done anything wrong. This should have come as no surprise since that’s what Rush had told them and shown them all along the way.

    Nor did the harassment stop there. Rush was treated far differently from the average person at every juncture—but, of course, you already knew that because, as we’ve noted, the average person would not have been investigated for such a “crime” as doctor-shopping at all. For another example, real prosecutors are duty-bound to keep investigative information confidential. If they are ready to charge someone formally and back up the charges in court, fine. Otherwise, Americans are not supposed to be tried in the press. But Rush was the exception. His private medical records were splashed all over television once they were in the hands of the prosecutors.

    Another example. People being investigated routinely retain lawyers. Those lawyers frequently interact with the prosecutors, for obvious reasons such as negotiating over demands for information. Those communications are supposed to remain confidential—again, real prosecutors put-up-or-shut-up in a court of justice; they know they are not supposed to tar people in the court of public opinion. In Rush’s case, however, state attorneys publicized their communications with Rush’s counsel. Worse, in this instance, they were actually given advice by the state attorney general and the Florida Bar Association advising them to seek a court’s permission before releasing such information—yet, they not only released it, they also misrepresented the advice they had been given.

    link

    but if you weren’t a liar, you wouldn’t be a liberal, you piece of trash.

  78. #280
    On October 7th, 2008 at 9:27 am, right4life said:

    from the same link:

    And why, you might ask, wouldn’t Rush fight this charge? Well, he did. He fought this politically motivated investigation for several years; he spent millions of dollars in legal fees challenging the state attorney every step of the way; and he went to the airwaves repeatedly to discuss his legal battle. In the end, despite Krischer’s efforts, Rush continues to maintain his innocence—and he does so as a matter of law—by responding once again with not guilty to a phony doctor-shopping charge the state attorney is unwilling to take to a jury. He has admitted to no wrongdoing at all. And now, finally, it is Rush’s innocence that remains unchallenged as this sad chapter comes to an end.

  79. #281
    On October 7th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, Paul-Cincy said:

    On October 6th, 2008 at 3:45 pm,

    Tranceman said:

    but also because she seemed perennially dissatisfied.

    What is wrong with that?? Seems to be exactly what any company would want

    LOL. Yeah, unhappy employees are at a premium.

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