Liveblogging the town hall debate: Zzzzzzzz
I don’t have any prizes to give away, but you get Special MM.com Bonus Points if your insipid question suggestion gets asked tonight.
As for drinking game proposals, I recommend taking a swig every time Tom Brokaw inserts his two cents after the citizens ask their questions. Apparently, the two campaigns agreed that he wouldn’t be allowed to do so — but he has since balked and said he wasn’t privy to the memorandum of understanding.
Second drinking game variation: Drink when Obama ties Bush to McCain again.
Here we go…
9:01pm Eastern. Tom Brokaw is on. He is as orange as an Oompa Loompa. Sen. Obama won the coin toss.
First question: Alan Schaefer. “What’s the fastest way to bail these people out?”
Obama gives his standard blame Bush, blame greed screed.
Expands bailout for the middle-class, fix health care, energy, blahblahblah.
Sen. McCain: “Americans are angry, upset, a little fearful…I have a plan to fix this problem. It’s got to do with energy independence, keep Americans’ taxes low…packages of reforms.”
Will he or won’t he talk Fannie/Freddie?
Prepare to be disappointed.
“We’re going to have to do something about home values…for retirees…I would order Treasury Secretary to renegotiate home loans.”
Oh, dear.
HE WANTS TO EXPAND THE BAILOUT. He wants to do what ACORN wants to do.
We’re Screwed ’08.
He wants to make housing unaffordable to responsible, careful people.
I think I’m going to throw up.
What did I tell you? Yes, I called it:
It would be wise to dramatically lower your expectations of this debate. The town hall format lends itself to the worst pander-style, personal sob story politicking.
McCain is yammering about “greed and excess.” Nothing about Obama/Fannie/Freddie.
9:10pm Eastern. Obama is free to bloviate about his bogus tax relief plans Obama says “McCain is right” again about the housing loan modification proposals. Great. They agree: ACORN rules!
Next questioner: Oliver Clark asks the same question about how the bailout is helping people out.
Here we go: McCain mentions Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Mentions that Obama was second biggest recipient of Fannie/Freddie. Fannie and Freddie were the match that started this forest fire.
Goes back to his “stabilization” proposals.
Sorry, Mac, that’s not enough. He forgot to mention Jim Johnson, ACORN, etc., etc.
Obama attacks McCain as a “deregulator.” Obama puffs up his letter-writing “reform” efforts. Weak. “I never promoted Fannie Mae.”
McCain gets no follow-up.
Brokaw inserts his two cents. Take a swig. “Are you saying the economy is going to get much worse?”
Obama: “We’re going to have to coordinate with other countries” on further action.
CRIKEY.
Same question to McCain: “I believe it depends on what we’re going to do.”
He REPEATS his idea of buying up bad loans so people can renegotiate.
Next question: Teresa Finch. “How can we trust either of you when both parties are responsible” for this mess?
Take another drink. Obama’s just blamed Bush again.
9:21pm Eastern. McCain’s answer involves touting his work on “climate change” with Joe Lieberman.
Gag.
Next drinking game: When McCain says “reaching across the aisle.” Go. He’s saying a whole lot of nothing.
And another one: Take a swig every time he repeats Joe Lieberman’s name.
He keeps talking about earmarks — but, um, not about the ones he and Obama approved as part of the Crap Sandwich 2.0.
Obama’s talking about prioritizing spending. Blech.
Brokaw chastises both candidates about their time limits.
First Internet question: What sacrifices will Americans have to make?
McCain talks about eliminating government programs.
“We have to eliminate the earmarks.”
Except all the ones he just supported in the Crap Sandwich bailout!
9:30pm Eastern. Obama’s turn. He brings up 9/11. As a “tragedy.” Not as a murderous, evil attack by jihadists. But a tragedy.
I remind you of Obama’s compassion for the jihadists.
Drink up. He took another shot at Bush for telling people to shop and conduct business in the face of the 9/11 attacks.
Leadership from Obama: He recommends people weatherize their home.
No word about those tire gauges.
Brokaw: How would you break bad habits of too much debt and too much easy credit?
Obama: Yes, we’ll have to cut spending, but a scalpel, not a hatchet.
McCain: “Nailing down Obama’s tax proposals is like nailing Jello to a wall…likens Obama to Hoover…I am not in favor of reducing taxes for the wealthy…pitches $5,000 refundable tax credit for health care…”
9:37pm Eastern. Obama wants to break the rules he agreed to and respond to McCain. Brokaw stammers. He’s going to read the next question…no, he’s going to ask his own question: Will you give a date certain on reforming entitlements.
Obama won’t guarantee a date. Then segues back to his rejoinder to McCain on taxes. More anti-greed stuff from both candidates.
Back to citizen questions: Ingrid Jackson asks McCain about “climate change and green jobs.”
Prepare for more disappointment, people.
Drink, drink: “Joe Lieberman and I” kept on this issue.
At last, something I can support: McCain pushes nuclear energy, assails Obama for his opposition.
9:47pm Eastern. Brokaw is lecturing the candidates again about the time limits. Obama blames McCain.
9:48pm Eastern. McCain goes after Obama for his pork-laden energy bill vote. McCain says he’ll vote against the earmarks.
Except all the ones he just supported in the Crap Sandwich bailout!
Next question: Lindsey Trella. “Do you believe health care should be treated as commodity?”
Obama launches into his I Will Heal All stump speech.
McCain repeats his $5,000 tax credit idea. He made a hair transplant joke that no one laughed at. Cringe.
Brokaw question: Is health care a privilege, right, or responsibility?
McCain: “I think it’s a responsibility.”
Obama: “It’s a right.”
Well, finally, a stark, unequivocal difference between these two.
9:57pm Eastern. I feel like watching the Palin/Biden debate again. How about you?
Obama is rolling right over Brokaw. And Brokaw is letting him.
Question: Phil Elliott. “How will all the economic turmoil affect our ability to act as a peacemaker in the world?”
I am so sure this dude is “undecided.”
10:01pm Eastern. McCain lays into Obama’s failed judgement on foreign policy. “We don’t have time for on-the-job training, my friend.”
Obama is back to Bush-bashing. Drink. Now, we’re just rehashing last week’s debate.
Worthless.
McCain-Bush, McCain-Bush.
Sarah Palin was so much more effective at defusing this talking point in her debate.
McCain is doing…nothing.
Except: “My friends, my friends, my friends, my friends.”
McCain says he’ll bring home troops in victory and honor, Obama would bring them home in defeat.
Citizen questioner Katie Hamm asks about Pakistan.
McCain attacks on Obama’s invade Pakistan remarks.
Obama wants a follow up, in violation of the prior agreed-to rules.
Brokaw gets rolled again: “I’m just hired help here.:”
Obama: “You’re doing a good job, Tom.”
In. The. Tank.
Obama recycles “Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” and annihilation of North Korea talking points. Like I said: This is just a rehash of last week’s debate.
Next…
10:23pm Eastern. Brokaw wants a yes or no: Is Russia under Putin an evil empire.
Obama blabs for 45 seconds without a yes or no.
McCain: Maybe. It depends on their behavior.
Terry Shirey, retired Navy chief. Question is about support for Israel. Would you be willing to commit to troops if Iran attacks Israel or would you wait for UN Security Council?
McCain thanks Shirey for his service. “Obviously, we wouldn’t wait for UN Security Council.”
Obama promotes sanctions.
10:30pm Eastern. Brokaw saves the most insipid question of the night for last from “Peggy in Amherst:”
“What don’t you know and how will you learn it?”
Obama immediately launches into his Dreams of My Father biography spiel. Talking up his mom again. Food stamps. Mentions Bitter Half Michelle Obama and the American Dream.
The stupid-meter is broken.
McCain ignores the question and gives his same wrap-up statement as last week: Country first.
10:34pm Eastern. Obama and McCain step in the way of Brokaw’s teleprompter.
One last whine from Tom: “You’re in the way of my script.”
Crikey. Thank goodness, this torture is now over.
11:16pm Eastern. I’m forcing myself to watch some of the post-debate commentary.
Disaster: Mitt Romney apparently wasn’t made aware of McCain’s new $300 billion housing entitlement plan. And Fred Thompson could barely muster up enthusiasm for McCain.
No mention of Ayers. No mention of ACORN. Not even the feeblest attempt to expose Obama’s radical roots.
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Actually, your opinion doesn’t matter since you’re not an “undecided” voter. What the undecided voters think is what matters.
How did Obummer give the “performance of his life?” Uh, he talked around every question and showed how much he’ll gut the military until it no longer exists.
You and your socialist candidate are thin on what’s important, especially on military matters. You’re fooling no one.
UUghhh. That stupid Obama foot licker is on Fox now.
Greta on Fox: Discussion “undecided.”
How can anyone be undecided? Have many people lost their minds? Claire Mccaskil, D. What a horses patootoo!
mistressjustice I know we don’t agree on hardly anything but you must admit that this country can do a hell of lot better than those two.
Thank God for the Brits – Brown Ale.
I can’t stand her. Partisan hack to the nth degree.
Thank god for the monks who introduced the hops to beer.
I think the republicans will try this and everything else at this point. I hope the brother gets a new house and a job soon from somebody…..somewhere.
mistressjustice said:
I still think that, apart from this huge economic crisis falling in our laps right before the election, that Obama had virtually no chance at winning.
Now, unless something of equal weight happens that plays to McCain’s perceived strength, I don’t think McCain has much of a chance.
The only thing better than being skillful is being lucky.
I’m signing off. email me, securitymom if you’re interested!
Which one?
Don’t you think his own brother needs to take care of him considering he made $4 million in income last year?
mistressjustice, (that sounds like a comic-book superhero) I have a question for you.
What wonderful things do you expect to happen if Obama wins?
BlameAmericaLast..I wish I could turn on FOX..I’m one of those stupid Americans that live on a tight budget and put down 20% on my house with a 30 year fixed rate…so, believe it or not, no cable TV in my house. That’s why I hang out here..otherwise, I’m stuck with the hacks.
Oh yes, once again I’m choosing the lesser of two evils. Obama wasn’t my first choice, be he’s the horse I’m riding down the stretch.
I’m hitting the pillow. Nite, nite.
So if I stop paying my mortgage now, how long will it take for the government to step and take it over????
BTW-Claire McCaskill is stupidity is beyond comprehension.
We Are So Screwed 08.
Zzzzzzzz….
Lame questions, lame debate. There’s no help for those who are buying Obama’s snake oil and thanks Johnny Mac for that ridiculous “let’s bail out the homeowner” bit. *Facepalm.*
Our only hope is the Clintons unleashing an October surprise or an alien invasion.
i have to disagree with our host on this one, john mccain answered the question by stating, basically paraphrase, that he does not know the conditions that will exist in the next year. i think that answered the question, he did a nice seque into his country first after stating that we do not know what situations the country will face in the future. i think that answered it very presidentially.
Oh, so you’re one of those responsible people then. Hard to find these days.
Just hang out here with us normal people. We’ll take care of you.
Methinks BO lies. Before BO and mum move to Indonesia, there are no food stamps. He is 5 years old. At 10 years old mum is done with him and dumps him on Hawaiian grandparents who don’t get food stamps. Sorry no sale BO. No food stamps for you and mummy.
On October 7th, 2008 at 10:57 pm, fourstringfuror said:
On October 7th, 2008 at 10:54 pm, committed said:
UUghhh. That stupid Obama foot licker is on Fox now.
Which one?
Dont’ know her name. The female. LOL
Too much surrender talk out here for me.
Suck it up and keep up the fight. Didn’t live this long to sit on my single point of contact and turn the country over to the socialists.
No thanks.
Yes MJ, you can be happy…the only way Obama could win was if the Presidential candidate opposite him was paid to take a dive….That also illustrates his weakness when he meets a REAL OPONNENT.
Had this been Sarah Palin vs. Barack Obama, I already know who would be cleaning who off the floor, with Sarahcuda the victor.
They’re talking about that one on Fox now.
Correction-Claire McCaskill’s stupidity is beyond comprehension.
Only spirits in this debate was in our drinks.
They both talked to us like we were children.
How discouraging, what will happen to our free country? Health care is not a “right.”! I have been responsible and thrifty my entire life. I feel tossed away like last weeks garbage.
A Colorado Conservative
We’re screwed if Barack Obama is elected president November 4th, and we’ll be subjected, starting January 20th, 2009, to at least four more years of national malaise.
We’re not screwed yet, so don’t be saying DIE now, everybody!
If I hear someone talk about “fair” one more time I will scream!
you have the “right” to life (hello Obama the late term killer), liberty (hello get the dam* gov out of my life), pursuit of happiness, (hello guys, pursuit is not the same as a gov guarantee)
no ‘right’ to health care
no ‘right’ to home ownership
no ;right’ to government provided eternal security
want cheese with your whine?
Welcome to the true meaning of socialism rfjjulie.
I wish McCain had reinterated the purging of fraud from Medicare and Medicaid. I really believe there is a lot of it out there.
Don’t forget the Amendments Marine_NCO
Do we really want to elect a cowboy unilateralist who’ll take us to war with Pockistan? Without even a UN mandate?
Say no to Bush III. Say no to Obama.
McCain should have said there is no constitutional right to health care.
Obama should have said that we need to amend the constitution so we have the right to health care.
THEY TALKED TO US LIKE CHILDREN.
Fair, it’s not fair whaaaaaaaaa, whaaaaaaaaaa
I’ve read both the Declaration of Independence and Constitution (including Amendments) and Health Care and home ownership are no where in either of them.
That’s it, I was right in my assessment. Charles “the original Trollman” Krauthammer basically agreed with me. He just said that McCain was slightly better, but since Obama is so far ahead in the polls, it is effectively an Obama victory.
How do you think Americans will feel about the mortgage proposition by McCain tonight?
McCain blew an opportunity to hammer the ONE on the issue of engaging the military. Obama mentioned the “moral” responsibility to use the military to save innocents…in places like Africa. McCain should have said something about the “innocents” being killed in Iraq by Saddam Hussein, and the hypocracy Obama just showed. But NOOOOOOO…..McCain lost yardage in this debate. I don’t think he knows what “take the gloves off” means.
I think McCain gave away the election last week with his vote for the MOAB. McCain appears to be floundering. His campaign is making no clear, decisive message to the people mostly because McCain doesn’t have a clear, decisive message.
I am voting Constitution Party this year. I don’t think I’ll ever vote GOP again at this rate. I’ll wait ans see if there is anything left to vote for in 2012. Otherwise, I may have to take my family to Australia.
God save the Republic. Neither of the clowns will.
Marine_NCO . There are no constitutional rights to these things.
I drinking cognac strait up
Note to GOP Hey thanks for nominating Doles Grandpa
Why did the bail out tip the polls in favor of Obama if both of them voted for it?
Isnala said:
It is located right after the section that guarantees the right to an abortion.
/sarcasm
Worst. Debate. Ever.
Obama kept command of the stage and Brokaw let him do it. McCain looked weak, old, frazzled, unconvincing and oh yeah….he wants to buy up mortgages with my tax money.
I will say that the one saving grace of that stupid remark was that it opened the door for me to have a discussion with my two Dem friends who were here with me, and explain why the idea he proposed can be just as easily, if not far better, handled by the banks renegotiating these loans themselves.
My sister is screwed in ’09. She has a 3-yr fixed at 5.925 which ends next year, at which time she has to refi. Except that she’s mortgaged at what is now about 175% of her home value. Her own bank can agree to fix her rate for 30 years without cutting her principal, collect its due, and she gets to keep her home at no cost to the taxpayer. She agreed to the principal amount. Why should I and you bail her out just because the market dipped? She doesn’t have to sell. She can stay and wait it out until the market comes up again. All she needs is the extra time at the reasonable payment she’s making now, and a fixed rate for 30 years.
I think that McCain lost the election with that proposal tonight.
I don’t want to be welcomed to socialism. Screw the wanna be messiah and his “youth” followers. I have faith that the American people (the ones who actually have morals and responsibility) with vote for the lesser of two evils. McCain/Palin.
Palin/Jindal 2012
Completely agree with you right_on.
Then again I’m AD, vote absentee, and have already sent it in so these debates are more of a confirmation and for being able to chat about it with others …
WarEagle82 Have you checked how socialistic Australia is? Better stay here and help fix this place.
I can think of two reasons. 1) It shows there is no difference. 2) McCain says he is against pork and he voted for a bill full of pork. 3) The Dems have convinced everybody that THEY fixed the problem that Bush caused. 4) Things appear to continue to get worse and Bush & McCain are linked in most minds. GOP loses on the economy.
(You got two reasons for no extra charge.)
None of it makes sense. But I think this is the perception.
As do I, rfjjulie, as do I!
Trollman said: Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ociffer of the farce, I’m under the affluence of incahol!
I might be able to disappear into the Outback and get away from it all….
I am afraid the last year of campaigning has demostrated that the average American is too stupid to make democracy work. But, I beg anyone to prove me wrong….
John McCain reached across the isle so many times and so far he fell and he can’t get up. Life Alert, where are you?
Thanks, WarEagle.
I thought about it and it was the least I could do.
WarEagle82 We have plenty of room in northern Idaho
Well, needless to say, given the performance of these two dunces, that us military families will be hung out to dry. The devil is in the details and I want to know the following:
How many military members will be deployed to ethnic genocide zones?
How many military members will be given “early retirement” or be cut altogether?
How many programs and equipment that each branch of the military uses will be cut?
If only 5% of the country will feel the economic pain, where will the rest of the money come from? I don’t think that just leaving Iraq will make up for the rest of the money that will be needed for each guy’s wishlist. It has to come from somewhere and the fact that Obummer, like Clinton, really doesn’t like the military, gives me the feeling that this country will be even more defenseless than ever before.
WarEagle82 said:
I think it really comes down to this. In the mind of the “concerned, undecided” voter (which are the people that, sadly, determine who wins), they perceive that Democrats are better on the economy, and that Republicans are better on national defense.
Due to current events, the economy is at the forefront (by a large margin). Ergo, once the economy became the overwhelming issue, Obama took the lead, and by a serious margin. If the economy hadn’t become such a major issue, or if security was the current hot topic, it would have gone the other way.
1) McCain wants to buy more houses on our dime & his “gloves” are apparently still on.
2)Obama wants to give “financial support” to everybody and their brother…well except of course, his own brother, again, on our dime.
3) Michelle Malkin keeps her mad typing skills despite the amount of drinks she had in the “Debate Drinking Game”.
4) We’re screwed!
right_on said:
McCain should have said something about the “innocents” being killed in Iraq by Saddam Hussein, and the hypocracy Obama just showed. But NOOOOOOO
Comic Relief:
Liberal Media Crossword Puzzle
McCain is toast. The big media will have him for breakfast. God save America
In talking to my grown children, I am learning they are Obama supporters. Is it an age thing with them? My oldest said the Palin pick tipped him to Obama. The youngest one is looking at the college money.
I feel I haven’t done my job as a Mom for them to feel this way.
Why don’t you just move to Australia now, o ye of little faith? You’re throwing your vote away in this election as it is, WarEagle82, why not just give up now and leave America to those who are willing to fight for America and all she stands for?
I missed the debate battling spyware on my wife’s and kids’ PC (which is why I have my own…heh).
Did McCain gain any ground tonight?
I’m sorry to say, emjem24, you are probably right.
While our families didn’t enlist, they do help pay the price with us military folks in defending this country.
BlameAmericaLast said:
What a horses patootoo!
_________________________________________
BAL,
lift the tail. There your will find the horses patootoo!
Wait, I thought Idaho was part of Australia! Don’t they make “White Moutain” or “White Cloud” coffee out there? I could get a job there….
Tom Blogical said:
It is good you missed the debate, it was a waste of time.
The debate was lame. When debates are lame, it favors the one already in the lead.
So no, McCain didn’t gain any ground tonight.
I was screaming at McCain with 5 better responses before he even opened his mouth.
GEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!
Brokaw did a fine job,
upstaging the candidates
They were as bland
as the questions.
Next time, have Dan Rather sit in for Bob Scheiffer, and require him to interject questions from KosKids.
It’d be fun to see Obama tip toe around for an answer that wouldn’t anger the moonbats, while not sounding like one of them.
And, McCain would look conservative.
And I hear you can make great vodka from potatoes.
Thinks about it. Keep up the fight. You’re needed here.
Well, Morgan, I’ve said it about a million times but I am tired of voting for LOTE. But, this year it is really the “Lesser of Two Disasters.” I am not voting for McCain. He stands for nothing except more big government, less freedom and eventual socialism. I’d rather vote for the right ticket and see if that makes things better than voting for either of the WRONG tickets to see how that turns out. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
As a 31 year old, I can say it isn’t an age thing. Well at least I don’t think it is but then again so my views are generally colored because I’m AD Military.
emjem24 said: re Military . . .
Agreed. Like Clinton, the messiah will destroy our Military. Yet another reason I am stocking up on ammo.
If I have to hear Obama say “Pockiston” one more time…………
Isnala said:
Don’t forget the Amendments Marine_NCO
Any one of us could give 5 better responses than McCain. It is clear that the GOP has no interest in winning this election. If they had, they would have nominated someone with a pulse. This is getting predictable.
McCain keeps bringing his nice, shiny, never-used knife to the gunfight! He can’t keep making Sarah do all the heavy lifting.
Interesting, though: I’m waching C-Span right now. The callers are 75% favoring McCain even after this debate. 100% seems to hate Brokaw’s performance.
WarEagle82 said:
Look at the “bright” side. If things continue as they are now, Obama will probably win, regardless of how you vote. Perhaps 4 years of Obama will lead to the next great conservative president, like Carter led us to 8 years of Reagan.
sigh
If I could buy you the next round I would Marine_NCO!
My guess is that they attended a
collegeMarxist indoctrination center.McCain couldn’t win a debate if Obamassiah showed up with a Koran, a bomb and a Soviet flag and claimed he shot Kennedy.
The man just doesn’t want to win. He wanted to get nominated just like Dole.
WarEagle82 and WarEagle82
MMMMMM……. Moose burgers warped in wild bacon.
You know, that is about my only hope. If there is an America left after 4 years of Obama I suspect we will be begging for actual conservative leadership. Obama will make Jimmy Carter look like a intellectual and decisive leader. This may be Carter’s great project to make sure he isn’t remembered as the WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
committed..don’t let the ‘mom guilt’ creep in..your children are making their own choices..I think it’s a great compliment to you that they can make different choices from yours because they must know you will love them, regardless. Now that’s a good mom.
I really am going to bed…have to take my kiddos on a field trip to the police station tomorrow morning, we get to see the K-9 unit..should be fun.
McCain is just being McCain and doing what’s always worked for him in the past. That is, “reaching across the aisle” to his “good friends”.
Bush spent eight years doing that.
Tom,
Unfortunately, no. McCain had no balls in this debate. I don’t think the debate was designed to help McCain anyway. It was more like a big snooze and campaign chat fest than anything else.
It wasn’t McCain’s finest hour. Be glad you were spared.
Sorry to hear that, committed.
Then again maybe the peace shouldn’t be kept. Not saying arguing is good but a good academic discussion is always good.
Thanks, Moms. I need to get horizontal, too.
WarEagle82 said:
Thanks, I needed a laugh.
Commtted:
My 28 year old Hard-core Republican, married, father-of-my-seven-grandkids was listening on XM radio and called me after the first answers. His truck-driver response: McCain just threw our country to the socialists. He was pi$$ed because he has worked so hard to get his house in Kansas, PAY for health insurance and let his wife choose to work, it isn’t “fair” that deadbeats get a free ride because they are pi$$-poor money managers.
My 23 year old College Senior son is scared spit-less over either one of these gentlemen being elected. Last election, he voted for Nader and, at the time, I felt the same way as you.
At least they both think for themselves and participate in the process.
Moose burgers? I have had bison meat and I prefer regular cows. But, I like the bacon aspect. But, how wild is the bacon in Idaho? Is it like spring break in Florida? I’m getting kind of old for that.
What happens when you get a moose antler caught in the back of your throat? I have heard it is pretty nasty.
tamarah180 said:
Man, he is 28 with 7 kids?! He really has been working hard!