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1. #101
   On October 10th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, William Amos said:

   OK want a little more dirt on why this is dangerous ?

   From the NYC.Gov site. Why did the city use federal housing money amounting to 17 million dollars to buy housing, fix it up and give it to ACORN ?

   THats story and others are on this blog post by me

   How ACORN pushed banks to make loans to people who Couldnt afford them

   They have also pushed to allow illegals to vote and want to get universal health care and a stake in its money

2. #102
   On October 10th, 2008 at 1:57 pm, William Amos said:

   OK want a little more dirt on why this is dangerous ?

   From the NYC.Gov site. Why did the city use federal housing money amounting to 17 million dollars to buy housing, fix it up and give it to ACORN ?

   THats story and others are on this blog post by me

   How ACORN pushed banks to make loans to people who Couldnt afford them

   They have also pushed to allow illegals to vote and want to get universal health care and a stake in its money

3. #103
   On October 10th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, bluesoc said:

   William Amos -
   how does that relate to voter fraud?

4. #104
   On October 10th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, William Amos said:

   On October 10th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, bluesoc said:
   William Amos -
   how does that relate to voter fraud?

   Its the reward for doing the voter fraud

5. #105
   On October 10th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, William Amos said:

   On October 10th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, bluesoc said:
   William Amos -
   how does that relate to voter fraud?

   Its the reward for doing the voter fraud

6. #106
   On October 10th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, bluesoc said:

   Ok. I understand that there is an incentive, but you still haven’t shown me that missing link.

   What happens after the fake names are registered?

7. #107
   On October 10th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, OneofThem said:

   On a positive note, I’m glad the MSM is finally waking up to all the ACORN fraud; it’s been all over the news today.

8. #108
   On October 10th, 2008 at 2:26 pm, William Amos said:

   I have a simple solution for you blue.

   I will allow all the ACORN registered voters to vote IF they can provide proof that they are who they say they are.

   Allow for VOTER ID to be used in every election and I will removed my critism.

   But under the current system too many staes dont require voter ID. And that makes the fraud that much easier to do.

   If you want every vote to count they lets make sure they are valid votes.

9. #109
   On October 10th, 2008 at 2:30 pm, Send_Me said:

   Here’s some good background as to the origins and previous actions of ACORN.

10. #110
    On October 10th, 2008 at 2:43 pm, FamilyMan said:

    bluesoc
    You seem like a nice kid. May I suggest for your own benefit,, you look up the definition of inductive reasoning and deductive reasoning and when to use both. Please also Google the rules of logic.

11. #111
    On October 10th, 2008 at 2:49 pm, bluesoc said:

    FamilyMan –

    I’m not really sure what you’re implying. If there is an ambiguity in what I wrote, or if I have used terms incorrectly, please let me know.

12. #112
    On October 10th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, FamilyMan said:

    bluesoc. Isolate your entries and reread them to yourself. You need to back to basics.

13. #113
    On October 10th, 2008 at 3:16 pm, bluesoc said:

    FamilyMan -

    I went back and re read all my posts, and didn’t find any errors in logic. But then again, I wrote them in the fist place. Perhaps you’re confused because I was responding to multiple people who raised slightly different issues?

    Anyways, if I have made an error in logic, please tell me.

14. #114
    On October 10th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, FamilyMan said:

    ACORN workers are PAID PER REGISTRATION.
    Bribed. See news reports
    That’s why pull this crap. Supposition.
    There is no evidence of systemic voter fraud being perpetrated by ACORN. Read news reports
    They tried using free market principles to encourage registrations exaggeration of truth
    , and it was obviously a poor choice. True

15. #115
    On October 10th, 2008 at 3:30 pm, FamilyMan said:

    (seeing as there really isn’t any evidence).

    FBI investigation take time. I admire your suspension of judgment but in civil discourse as limited as this blog, overriding substantiated evidence can help you define your position.

16. #116
    On October 10th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, bluesoc said:

    Thanks,
    I think I’ve clarified those statements since. I retracted the “systemic” claim because, as written, it was not what I intended. The first post is always the most incendiary anyways.

    I think my greater point still stands. No one can tell me what ACORN does with these fake registrations. Until someone can do that, I think it is more reasonable to believe that the fraud is the result of employees trying to make some money. Do you fundamentally disagree that the latter is the more reasonable explanation given the information we have?

17. #117
    On October 10th, 2008 at 5:03 pm, dale gavlak said:

    bluesoc they could vote at the same time they were signed up in ohio.

18. #118
    On October 10th, 2008 at 5:44 pm, akoypinoy said:

    On October 10th, 2008 at 3:32 pm, bluesoc said:
    Thanks,
    I think I’ve clarified those statements since. I retracted the “systemic” claim because, as written, it was not what I intended. The first post is always the most incendiary anyways.

    I think my greater point still stands. No one can tell me what ACORN does with these fake registrations. Until someone can do that, I think it is more reasonable to believe that the fraud is the result of employees trying to make some money. Do you fundamentally disagree that the latter is the more reasonable explanation given the information we have?

    ACORN submits all the Voters Registration Forms to the local election registrar, who then tries to validate the registration forms. ACORN can claim that they are unaware of the infringement and point out that the election officials are the one who’s responsible for verification. The odds are some of the fraudulent ones can be screened out but some could slip through the system and compromise the integrity of the elections.

    Hope this will help assuage your doubting mind.

19. #119
    On October 10th, 2008 at 6:29 pm, bluesoc said:

    dale-
    Good point, but as I understand it, the situation is Ohio is unique. What happens in the other 49 states?

    akoypinoy –
    I understand that some fraudulent ones slip through. My question is what happens after that? Does ACORN send voters to vote under those names?

20. #120
    On October 10th, 2008 at 6:37 pm, dale gavlak said:

    bluesoc i’m in ohio. can’t ans. for other states.

21. #121
    On October 10th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, CrazyFool said:

    Here in Washington (state) I took my wife to get registered to vote.

    They didn’t even ask for *any* ID. Not even a utility bill.

    ACORN *heart* Washington State

22. #122
    On October 11th, 2008 at 3:32 am, yohannbiimu said:

    A man at the center of a voter-registration scandal told The Post yesterday he was given cash and cigarettes by aggressive ACORN activists in exchange for registering an astonishing 72 times, in apparent violation of Ohio laws.

    “In apparent violation?”
    What the hell?

23. #123
    On October 12th, 2008 at 1:08 am, tbear44 said:

    On October 10th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, CrazyFool said:
    Here in Washington (state) I took my wife to get registered to vote.

    They didn’t even ask for *any* ID. Not even a utility bill.

    ACORN *heart* Washington State

    Must be Western WA?

24. #124
    On October 15th, 2008 at 6:44 pm, Taqiyyotomist said:

    bluesoc,

    The purpose of registering millions of phony names is not that people will then go and vote under those names. The purpose is to break the system, or at the least cause a complete loss of confidence in the system. It is the direct implementation of what is called the “Cloward-Piven Strategy”, something everyone in America needs to google and get REALLY familiar with. You may want to start with this article at American Thinker, Barack Obama and the Strategy of Manufactured Crisis. The plan is multifaceted, and the voter issues (not just this one, but the recent efforts in many states to get illegals and felons the ability to vote, to cast severe public doubt on the security of new electronic voting machines, and the new ‘motor-voter’ laws in some places, and more, they’re all part and parcel of Cloward-Piven.)
    Dig into it, you will see many connections to Obama and Cloward-Piven. This FM/FM mortgage meltdown is direct implementation of the Strategy, as well. The end results: Break our Institutions to the point where all public confidence is lost, then take over. The public needs to be told this, but I think the public has been oversaturated with Conspiracy by the left, that they won’t be bothered anymore. Not in 3 weeks for sure. You’d need to make a blockbuster motion picture, then mandate that everyone go see it.
    -Taq
    /ramble off

25. #125
    On October 15th, 2008 at 6:45 pm, Taqiyyotomist said:

    SORRY, forgot the link to the American Thinker article on Cloward-Piven Strategy.
    -Taq