You insist on elevating semantics to a critical level and you have no choice but to be offended its also that offense that causes damage in more than one way.

Its your pride and narrow vision you have to live with, hopefully.

You want Christianity without a Christ, salvation without a Savior, and faith with no object worthy of faith.

You are a very confused person and evidently incapable of rational discourse. You define a bigot as someone who disagrees with you even as you refuse to define or even list your views. You demand that I accept mutually exclusive ideas and concepts.

I am sorry that you are so insecure in your beliefs that you cannot or will not define them much less defend them rationally.

You ask “So what if Mormons don’t conform to your ideal of what Jesus is…” Well, I can tell you what. If you place your faith in a false Christ you cannot be saved. Salvation comes from the Lord and not from an imposter. And the Mormon Jesus is an imposter. A man can’t save you, only God can.

At this point, I will take my leave and not visit this thread any longer. It is futile to argue with someone who is irrational.

And to save you the trouble I’ll post your reply for you.

On October 16th, 2008 at 5:35 pm, Speakup will say:
You are a bigot.

And its people who share your form of bigotry that tipped the scale against him.

So what if Mormons don’t conform to your ideal of what Jesus is, yours isn’t likely to conform to the truth either.

Define all you want Mormons are free to believe just ardently as you and using a hard and fast definition as pretext to excluding other Christian faiths is much more the opposite of any intent of Christianity.

Mormons believe in a man who became a god. Christians believe in God who became incarnate. There is a world of difference.

Both are fantastical, without it, there’s no need for faith and without extreme outrage of critique there’s no reason to continue believing.

Any faith is the sum of its relevance.
Christianity’s relevance is the contribution of morals and lifestyle not the fantastical.
Using your definition of a person that is God versus another is a negative sum developed from a collective ego.

All egos have a price, some are set, others are set by consequence and some the price is very high up to and including death.

What the price is it you deem adequate?

What price do you expect others to pay for your ego?

I have stressed time and again that I would have supported Mitt Romney and that I do not support John McCain. It kind of makes your argument of “bigotry” fall apart.

The definition of Jesus really is the main issue. Since we define Him differently then He is not the same. And Mormons do define him as a created man who became a god. Christians define Him as pre-existant God who became incarnate. That you don’t see or won’t admit to that being a difference is beyond belief.

A man could no more atone for my sins than a bagel. Only the perfect, sinless God could make the sacrifice necessary for my salvation.

Mormons believe in a man who became a god. Christians believe in God who became incarnate. There is a world of difference.

I really am sorry you refuse to recognize that. If I hated Mormons I wouldn’t care about whether you understood Jesus properly or not. My hanging in here in spite of your insults and accusations of bigotry demonstrate otherwise.

But, I have to conclude you know the difference between how Christians and Mormons define Jesus and refuse to admit it yet demand I accept your statement without any clarification. The best I can agree to is that “some Mormons profess profound feelings for X”
because you refuse to define what you mean by Jesus or love. (There were three words used in Koine Greek for the word “love” and each had a profoundly different meaning.)

There is such a thing as exclusive truth. 2+2 = 4. It always does. Accepting otherwise does not mean one has an open mind. It simple makes one wrong.

Therefore, to state that Jesus(LDS) ≠ Jesus(orthodox Christianity) is simply the same thing as saying “A created man who became a god ≠ Pre-existing God who became incarnate”.

You want me to say that the two are equal but I have demonstrated they are not. You refuse to reject the Mormon definition I have provided and you refuse to offer your own definition. Therefore, I must conclude the definition provided accurately reflects your view of Jesus yet you demand I accept two different entities as the same. I can’t and won’t do that.

No belief worth having is any good at all but that it can’t stand the test of an open mind.

Where’s yours?

And the central issue is your refusal to either acknowledge that Mormons are Christians or that prejudice against Mormons had the effect of putting Mitt Romney out of the race for the Presidency.
Pick one.

What does orthodox have to do with accepting Christ?
Its just another excuse for intolerance.

Besides unless you accept Mormons as Christians, bigot applies pretty well and its not accusation, you’ve proven your bigotry.

I have never said what you claim I have said. I have only said that the Mormon definition of Jesus is different from the orthodox Christian definition of Jesus. I have presented both definitions. You have not refuted the Mormon definition I have provided which clearly proves the LDS Jesus is different.

You seem to be incapable of actually addressing the issue here. You evidently can’t or won’t do the one thing necessary so you fall back on the age old accusation of bigotry.

How is it you can’t even recognize and accept that Mormons love Jesus?

Where is the harm in giving that much instead of giving excuse after excuse for excluding people who love and accept the same person for their savior as you?

Its intolerant and discriminatory.

It boils down to your denying the foundation to Christianity to Mormons.

You are a prejudiced jerk who can’t give tiniest bit of credit where credit is due.

Study: Prejudice against Mormons much more intense than against blacks, women;

Are Mormons Christian? This article explains why Mormons are Christians which is one of the most common accusations that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints contend with.
Answer: Yes, Mormons are Christians.

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If you had ever read either document you would know that or you have read them and you are being dishonest.

I presented you with several key points where the two faiths diverge on the person of Jesus. Either you deny Mormon doctrine or you simply can’t understand it. At this point, I have no idea which is the truth.

The Christian view of Jesus is that He is a pre-existent and eternal spiritual being.

The Mormon view of Jesus is that he was a created man, who became “exalted.” That he is one of many gods and that he progressed from mortal to devine.

Do you either deny the Mormon teachings about the nature of Jesus or do you not understand them? But, you cannot have both of them be true. Therefore, as I have said several times, Jesus(LDS) ≠ Jesus(orthodox Christianity).

I still find it curious that you refuse to define who you believe Jesus is.

Oh, and you are wrong on the definition of prejudice too. Take a look here for the actual definition. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prejudice

You aren’t capable of giving them even that much credit.

You’re so bound to your style of faith that no other is worthy of your lofty acceptance.

That’s the very definition of prejudice and you’re too insecure to even consider the possibility that what you are actually achieving has along with many others like you a negative cause and effect.

The term holier than thou suits you quite well.

No belief worth having is any good at all but that it can’t stand the test of an open mind.

Your welcome to your bias, its the sides of your own blinders that keep you safe.