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		<title>By: Domestic Divapalooza</title>
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		<description>[...] Debate wrap-up: Senator Government vs. Johnny Mac and Joe the Plumber [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Debate Reax: Closing the Sale… Or Not. : The Conservative Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debate Reax: Closing the Sale… Or Not. : The Conservative Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 04:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tennessee Guerilla Women, Commentary Sweetness &amp; Light Hugh Hewit Weekly Standard Karl Rove, Michelle Malkin Flopping Aces JammieWearingFool, Stop The ACLU Gateway Pundit Riehl World View, Little Miss Attila [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tbear44</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what debate you were watching Donut, Obama was sweating quite a bit (even though they installed air conditioning over the candidates so they wouldn&#039;t sweat). He looked nervous and uncomfortable and he was sweating bullets. Obama reminded me of someone who wasn&#039;t being totally honest. Imagine that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what debate you were watching Donut, Obama was sweating quite a bit (even though they installed air conditioning over the candidates so they wouldn&#8217;t sweat). He looked nervous and uncomfortable and he was sweating bullets. Obama reminded me of someone who wasn&#8217;t being totally honest. Imagine that!</p>
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		<title>By: sisu</title>
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		<dc:creator>sisu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Obama unmasked...&lt;/strong&gt;

We and the immediate blogosphere made note of Barack Obama&#039;s creepy, smirky smile that transmogrified his human face into a bizarre theatrical comedy mask every time John McCain mentioned an inconvenient truth about his opponent&#039;s words or deedst\ d...</description>
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<p>We and the immediate blogosphere made note of Barack Obama&#8217;s creepy, smirky smile that transmogrified his human face into a bizarre theatrical comedy mask every time John McCain mentioned an inconvenient truth about his opponent&#8217;s words or deedst\ d&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe The Plumber&#8217;s Chat With Couric After The Debate &#124; BigMouthFrog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe The Plumber&#8217;s Chat With Couric After The Debate &#124; BigMouthFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] get a sense of just how central Wurzelbacher was to the debate, consider this: McCain and Obama mentioned Wurzelbacher 26 times during the 90 minute debate. By [...]</description>
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		<title>By: right4life</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;you people&lt;/blockquote&gt;

racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>you people</p></blockquote>
<p>racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilovemycountry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilovemycountry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thing has just gotten even more bizarre:

Turns out Joe &quot;The Plumber&quot;:

Doesn&#039;t have a plumber&#039;s license
Owes back taxes
Doesn&#039;t make $250 per year
Will not endorse John McCain
Is not trying to buy his company

Turns out this guy is a complete fraud.  So now it makes sense; he’s as full of it as all of you people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thing has just gotten even more bizarre:</p>
<p>Turns out Joe &#8220;The Plumber&#8221;:</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t have a plumber&#8217;s license<br />
Owes back taxes<br />
Doesn&#8217;t make $250 per year<br />
Will not endorse John McCain<br />
Is not trying to buy his company</p>
<p>Turns out this guy is a complete fraud.  So now it makes sense; he’s as full of it as all of you people.</p>
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		<title>By: emjem24</title>
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		<dc:creator>emjem24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;K2 said #171: &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That article, was indeed, very revealing and enlightening. I have another example about what happens when a blue state tries to overtax its way out of overspending and deficits. I&#039;m originally from the Upstate region of New York and that area has been in an ecoomic death spiral for the last decade. We used to have big industry there such as Kodak and they have disappeared because of lack of innovation or &quot;overseas competition.&quot;

Nobody ever does the really hard work of analyzing the situation. Nobody ever questions if the domestic taxing practices of big spending Dems (and Republicans) lead to economic downfall. New York is in the top 5 (or is it ten) states with higher taxes in the country. If there&#039;s a tax that they can invent (out of Albany) they&#039;ll create it.

What&#039;s insulting is that Dems like Clinton and Schumer make polite noises of sympathy about trying to help the upstate region but they&#039;re always looking out for their big donor downstate allies. The high property and business taxes of New York have put a lot of family farms out of business. I watched it all unfold as I grew up in the &#039;80&#039;s. Yes, some had bad business models but others fell pray to hostile taxes by the state and the state letting in big corporate farms (or their companies contributing to certain Dems&#039; campaigns).

Another bad example that is endemic to New York is NCR. Once a powerhouse in manufacturing electronic equipment like cashier machines in the &#039;80&#039;s, Cuomo let in big competition from Japan. New York taxed the crap out of NCR and made it easier to fall prey to foreign competition. Dems forgave Cuomo but many others will never forget what he did. Upstaters (the ones who know the truth) have no respect for the Cuomo family and their constant need to revive their dynastic ambitions by marrying into such families as the Kennedy&#039;s.

Americans want change but many of us are seeing the same party in control of lot of the same old, big spending, big taxing states. Dems excuse it because they don&#039;t think that overtaxing both businesses and people is bad. A lot of upstaters resent that their tax money goes to Albany to support a lot of the social experiements such as, namely, the big NYC schools who don&#039;t manage money very well. 

This is why I&#039;ve left NY, never to return. NY is hostile to new ideas and apparently Americans are too busy appointing blame and not making the connections to care about what&#039;s actually causing economic malaise.

Just look to places like New York, Illinois, and Michigan and it&#039;s not jobs going overseas (which is a misnomer anyway) it&#039;s the unfair tax practices by both local and state governments. We live in VA and I would never get a house here because the taxes would eat us alive.

Dems are bad news for taxes. Just because Obummer says he won&#039;t tax &quot;95%&quot; of people (even though a 1/3 don&#039;t even pay taxes) doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;ll keep that promise. Yet, like Clinton, he&#039;ll be forgiven because of his charm and charisma. Many of us common sense, former blue state residents just know better. Taxes don&#039;t work. They&#039;re bad and they&#039;ll get worse. They always do, especially in recessions. :sad:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>K2 said #171: </p></blockquote>
<p>That article, was indeed, very revealing and enlightening. I have another example about what happens when a blue state tries to overtax its way out of overspending and deficits. I&#8217;m originally from the Upstate region of New York and that area has been in an ecoomic death spiral for the last decade. We used to have big industry there such as Kodak and they have disappeared because of lack of innovation or &#8220;overseas competition.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nobody ever does the really hard work of analyzing the situation. Nobody ever questions if the domestic taxing practices of big spending Dems (and Republicans) lead to economic downfall. New York is in the top 5 (or is it ten) states with higher taxes in the country. If there&#8217;s a tax that they can invent (out of Albany) they&#8217;ll create it.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s insulting is that Dems like Clinton and Schumer make polite noises of sympathy about trying to help the upstate region but they&#8217;re always looking out for their big donor downstate allies. The high property and business taxes of New York have put a lot of family farms out of business. I watched it all unfold as I grew up in the &#8217;80&#8217;s. Yes, some had bad business models but others fell pray to hostile taxes by the state and the state letting in big corporate farms (or their companies contributing to certain Dems&#8217; campaigns).</p>
<p>Another bad example that is endemic to New York is NCR. Once a powerhouse in manufacturing electronic equipment like cashier machines in the &#8217;80&#8217;s, Cuomo let in big competition from Japan. New York taxed the crap out of NCR and made it easier to fall prey to foreign competition. Dems forgave Cuomo but many others will never forget what he did. Upstaters (the ones who know the truth) have no respect for the Cuomo family and their constant need to revive their dynastic ambitions by marrying into such families as the Kennedy&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Americans want change but many of us are seeing the same party in control of lot of the same old, big spending, big taxing states. Dems excuse it because they don&#8217;t think that overtaxing both businesses and people is bad. A lot of upstaters resent that their tax money goes to Albany to support a lot of the social experiements such as, namely, the big NYC schools who don&#8217;t manage money very well. </p>
<p>This is why I&#8217;ve left NY, never to return. NY is hostile to new ideas and apparently Americans are too busy appointing blame and not making the connections to care about what&#8217;s actually causing economic malaise.</p>
<p>Just look to places like New York, Illinois, and Michigan and it&#8217;s not jobs going overseas (which is a misnomer anyway) it&#8217;s the unfair tax practices by both local and state governments. We live in VA and I would never get a house here because the taxes would eat us alive.</p>
<p>Dems are bad news for taxes. Just because Obummer says he won&#8217;t tax &#8220;95%&#8221; of people (even though a 1/3 don&#8217;t even pay taxes) doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;ll keep that promise. Yet, like Clinton, he&#8217;ll be forgiven because of his charm and charisma. Many of us common sense, former blue state residents just know better. Taxes don&#8217;t work. They&#8217;re bad and they&#8217;ll get worse. They always do, especially in recessions. <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':sad:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: emjem24</title>
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		<dc:creator>emjem24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ilovemycountry said #173: &lt;/blockquote&gt;

How ignorant can you get? Do you think it&#039;s right to defund the military and make military heroes into villains as your messiah has done?

The real heroes of this country are people like my military husband and Joe the Plumber who have more strength and courage to stand up for what they believe rather than people like you who is a follower, not a doer.

Obummer supporters make me sick. Dems don&#039;t care about my husband or the military. It&#039;s okay to demonize them. It&#039;s okay to rob them of their retirement, as Clinton did when he made many military members, close to retirement, leave the military. 

My husband and I have given up more for this country. What have you given up, I*hate*my country? What has Obummer given up? What makes him such a good leader? Because he promises revenge against those bad Republicans and military members?

When you walk a minute in any military member&#039;s or spouse&#039;s shoes, perhaps you&#039;ll rethink your position. Probably not. You&#039;d actually have to look past your brain cavity for once. :roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ilovemycountry said #173: </p></blockquote>
<p>How ignorant can you get? Do you think it&#8217;s right to defund the military and make military heroes into villains as your messiah has done?</p>
<p>The real heroes of this country are people like my military husband and Joe the Plumber who have more strength and courage to stand up for what they believe rather than people like you who is a follower, not a doer.</p>
<p>Obummer supporters make me sick. Dems don&#8217;t care about my husband or the military. It&#8217;s okay to demonize them. It&#8217;s okay to rob them of their retirement, as Clinton did when he made many military members, close to retirement, leave the military. </p>
<p>My husband and I have given up more for this country. What have you given up, I*hate*my country? What has Obummer given up? What makes him such a good leader? Because he promises revenge against those bad Republicans and military members?</p>
<p>When you walk a minute in any military member&#8217;s or spouse&#8217;s shoes, perhaps you&#8217;ll rethink your position. Probably not. You&#8217;d actually have to look past your brain cavity for once. <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: emjem24</title>
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		<dc:creator>emjem24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that McCain did much better than the last two snore fests. The problem for me is that he didn&#039;t finish some of his thoughts, not that that&#039;s possible in a 90 minute debate. I think he should have been aggressive much earlier.

Even if Obummer wins, I know why. I don&#039;t think it will be just because Pres. Bush will be blamed for the economic doldrums. It will be because many Americans, of all political stripes, are too selfish and deluded to put down the credit card and do things on their own. They think that if they give control to the government that their lives will be much &quot;simpler.&quot; Oh, they will be much simpler all right.

I wonder if these people, these Obummer supporters, care what their precious messiah will do with the military. Will he let officers and enlisted close to retirement finish out their careers? How many Airmen, Marines, Army, Navy, and Coast Guardmen will keep their jobs to support their families? How many contractors and federal employees, who work with the military, will feel the bitter sting of Obummer&#039;s economic policies?

What I&#039;ve learned in this election is that Americans don&#039;t keep their promises to the military. It is preferable to do the easy rather than the difficult. It is easier to blame the military, the rich guys, the Republicans, when identifying the real villains is more complex, more complicated than many Americans either want to be aware of or care to think about. That&#039;s the troubling thing.

I&#039;m sorry, I have nothing in common with Obummer or his supporters because I&#039;ve actually sacrificed for this country. I&#039;m tired of being lectured by these people that we need &quot;change.&quot; No, what we need is a reality check. Not a bash fest that doesn&#039;t focus on the real culprits of the economic crisis, the Dems.

When did America stop seeing sense? When did they stop believing in themselves and instead Big Daddy government caring for their every whim? Americans are too scared to think for themselves or actually stop living beyond their means because that would mean they&#039;d actually have to face up to their responsibilities and be grown ups for a change.

This may be America but I recognize her less and less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that McCain did much better than the last two snore fests. The problem for me is that he didn&#8217;t finish some of his thoughts, not that that&#8217;s possible in a 90 minute debate. I think he should have been aggressive much earlier.</p>
<p>Even if Obummer wins, I know why. I don&#8217;t think it will be just because Pres. Bush will be blamed for the economic doldrums. It will be because many Americans, of all political stripes, are too selfish and deluded to put down the credit card and do things on their own. They think that if they give control to the government that their lives will be much &#8220;simpler.&#8221; Oh, they will be much simpler all right.</p>
<p>I wonder if these people, these Obummer supporters, care what their precious messiah will do with the military. Will he let officers and enlisted close to retirement finish out their careers? How many Airmen, Marines, Army, Navy, and Coast Guardmen will keep their jobs to support their families? How many contractors and federal employees, who work with the military, will feel the bitter sting of Obummer&#8217;s economic policies?</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve learned in this election is that Americans don&#8217;t keep their promises to the military. It is preferable to do the easy rather than the difficult. It is easier to blame the military, the rich guys, the Republicans, when identifying the real villains is more complex, more complicated than many Americans either want to be aware of or care to think about. That&#8217;s the troubling thing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I have nothing in common with Obummer or his supporters because I&#8217;ve actually sacrificed for this country. I&#8217;m tired of being lectured by these people that we need &#8220;change.&#8221; No, what we need is a reality check. Not a bash fest that doesn&#8217;t focus on the real culprits of the economic crisis, the Dems.</p>
<p>When did America stop seeing sense? When did they stop believing in themselves and instead Big Daddy government caring for their every whim? Americans are too scared to think for themselves or actually stop living beyond their means because that would mean they&#8217;d actually have to face up to their responsibilities and be grown ups for a change.</p>
<p>This may be America but I recognize her less and less.</p>
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		<title>By: happyscrapper</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On October 16th, 2008 at 12:40 pm, mattmillercr said: &lt;/blockquote&gt;
I really believe if a person professes true Christianity, and believes the Bible, they will be pro-life.  I just can&#039;t see it any other way.  Am I calling Obama a hypocrite?  You can draw your own conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On October 16th, 2008 at 12:40 pm, mattmillercr said: </p></blockquote>
<p>I really believe if a person professes true Christianity, and believes the Bible, they will be pro-life.  I just can&#8217;t see it any other way.  Am I calling Obama a hypocrite?  You can draw your own conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: mattmillercr</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senator Barack Obama has a 100% rating from NARAL and Planned Parenthood, whereas his positions are 100% supporting abortion on demand with NO restrictions.  In fact, he had told Planned Parenthood directly in a speech on July 17th, 2007:

“The first thing I’d do as president is sign the Freedom Of Choice Act.”  

FOCA will strip any and all restrictions on abortion that have helped to reduce the number of abortions slowly but gradually over the decades.  

Senator Obama made a statement last night on the abortion topic that, and I paraphrase, he “supports limits on late term abortions / partial birth abortion”.  He made himself look like he was trying to find common ground on the abortion topic and likely scored points with viewers of the debate.

NOT!  That is hypocrisy at its utmost when LIFE is at stake.  He consistently is against ANY and ALL restrictions on abortion as consistent with his 100% rating form NARAL and Planned Parenthood and support for the Freedom of Choice Act. 

See my blog that tries to take a Christian / Catholic point of view on this election.  It&#039;s my &quot;layperson&#039;s journey&quot; to the Catholic Church challenge its faithful in &quot;Forming Conscience through Faithful Citizenship&quot;.

http://blog.iowacatholicvote.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Barack Obama has a 100% rating from NARAL and Planned Parenthood, whereas his positions are 100% supporting abortion on demand with NO restrictions.  In fact, he had told Planned Parenthood directly in a speech on July 17th, 2007:</p>
<p>“The first thing I’d do as president is sign the Freedom Of Choice Act.”  </p>
<p>FOCA will strip any and all restrictions on abortion that have helped to reduce the number of abortions slowly but gradually over the decades.  </p>
<p>Senator Obama made a statement last night on the abortion topic that, and I paraphrase, he “supports limits on late term abortions / partial birth abortion”.  He made himself look like he was trying to find common ground on the abortion topic and likely scored points with viewers of the debate.</p>
<p>NOT!  That is hypocrisy at its utmost when LIFE is at stake.  He consistently is against ANY and ALL restrictions on abortion as consistent with his 100% rating form NARAL and Planned Parenthood and support for the Freedom of Choice Act. </p>
<p>See my blog that tries to take a Christian / Catholic point of view on this election.  It&#8217;s my &#8220;layperson&#8217;s journey&#8221; to the Catholic Church challenge its faithful in &#8220;Forming Conscience through Faithful Citizenship&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.iowacatholicvote.com" rel="nofollow">http://blog.iowacatholicvote.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donut44</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donut44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happyscrapper I agree and the only &quot;rights&quot; anyone is trying to take here is to shut up other people from talking, which is the first line of defense for those that can not &quot;argue&quot; appropriately.  

I already expressed that passion is acceptable and expected, but much like your #183 post states (in response to Obama), people need to hear and read the words.  I expect this type of intelligence from MM people at the least.  If something is not clear, than ask a question.

I have now called Obama (twice just here for the record) for what he is, which is a socialist.  So why can other posters not pay attention?  People want to come here to vent anger about the situation, it is understood, it is what I was doing.  I don&#039;t love Obama, but I am pissed at McCain and his inability to finish anything or to point at the obvious (even McCain can&#039;t call Obama a socialist).  The anger I dislike, is when people instead want to point it towards other people and lie about them.  If you want to attack me for who I am and my principles, great!  But when you can&#039;t read . . .

I am neither hurt nor offended, just amazed again again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happyscrapper I agree and the only &#8220;rights&#8221; anyone is trying to take here is to shut up other people from talking, which is the first line of defense for those that can not &#8220;argue&#8221; appropriately.  </p>
<p>I already expressed that passion is acceptable and expected, but much like your #183 post states (in response to Obama), people need to hear and read the words.  I expect this type of intelligence from MM people at the least.  If something is not clear, than ask a question.</p>
<p>I have now called Obama (twice just here for the record) for what he is, which is a socialist.  So why can other posters not pay attention?  People want to come here to vent anger about the situation, it is understood, it is what I was doing.  I don&#8217;t love Obama, but I am pissed at McCain and his inability to finish anything or to point at the obvious (even McCain can&#8217;t call Obama a socialist).  The anger I dislike, is when people instead want to point it towards other people and lie about them.  If you want to attack me for who I am and my principles, great!  But when you can&#8217;t read . . .</p>
<p>I am neither hurt nor offended, just amazed again again.</p>
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		<title>By: happyscrapper</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/15/debate-wrap-up-senator-government-vs-johnny-mac-and-joe-the-plumber/comment-page-3/#comment-502770</link>
		<dc:creator>happyscrapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On October 16th, 2008 at 12:03 pm, Donut44 said: &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Donut...we have a right to be angry and to express it here.  We try to be civil and usually succeed.  But we are venting and we have a right to do that.  I don&#039;t fault anyone who expresses their anger here.  As long as we keep it within the bounds...not like kos or huffinton whose threads are full of wishes that people would die and disgusting comments about wanting conservatives to get cancer, etc.  You don&#039;t see that here..right?  Calling Obama a socialist or a marxist is speaking truth, it is not trashing someone&#039;s reputation with lies.  Because we are better than that.  But we do get angry!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On October 16th, 2008 at 12:03 pm, Donut44 said: </p></blockquote>
<p>Donut&#8230;we have a right to be angry and to express it here.  We try to be civil and usually succeed.  But we are venting and we have a right to do that.  I don&#8217;t fault anyone who expresses their anger here.  As long as we keep it within the bounds&#8230;not like kos or huffinton whose threads are full of wishes that people would die and disgusting comments about wanting conservatives to get cancer, etc.  You don&#8217;t see that here..right?  Calling Obama a socialist or a marxist is speaking truth, it is not trashing someone&#8217;s reputation with lies.  Because we are better than that.  But we do get angry!!</p>
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		<title>By: WarEagle82</title>
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		<dc:creator>WarEagle82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to &quot;Send_me&quot; for #179!  

I have had it with the GOP lying to me and taking conservatives for granted.  McCain never was a true conservative as far as I can tell.  His first response is to compromise his beliefs to work with the other party no matter how awful their ideas are.  

I have told GOP officials and candidates for years that certain actions would result in the loss of my vote.  They persisted and they lost my vote.  And I reminded them of that fact regularly.  Several of them are out of office today because conservatives stopped supporting their leftward tilts.  

The last 4 years of the GOP culminating in the nomination of John McCain was the &quot;last straw&quot; for me.  I will be voting for the Constitution Party this year and it will be a l.o.n.g time before I vote for a Republican.  They have abandoned everything I believe in and sold their souls.  Enough is enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to &#8220;Send_me&#8221; for #179!  </p>
<p>I have had it with the GOP lying to me and taking conservatives for granted.  McCain never was a true conservative as far as I can tell.  His first response is to compromise his beliefs to work with the other party no matter how awful their ideas are.  </p>
<p>I have told GOP officials and candidates for years that certain actions would result in the loss of my vote.  They persisted and they lost my vote.  And I reminded them of that fact regularly.  Several of them are out of office today because conservatives stopped supporting their leftward tilts.  </p>
<p>The last 4 years of the GOP culminating in the nomination of John McCain was the &#8220;last straw&#8221; for me.  I will be voting for the Constitution Party this year and it will be a l.o.n.g time before I vote for a Republican.  They have abandoned everything I believe in and sold their souls.  Enough is enough!</p>
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