Liveblogging the last presidential debate of 2008
It begins at 9pm Eastern.
Liberal Beltway fixture Bob Schieffer moderates. I noted in 2004 that he asked a question about immigration during one of the 2004 debates. Wouldn’t it be novel if the subject finally came up tonight? Not that the La Raza twins would differ much. I’m not the only one who wants to hear some border talk. The Plumber Joe Wurzelbach mentioned it, too.
Got your ACORN martinis, ready?
Drinking game buzz words:
GREED.
GREEDY.
RESCUE.
EARMARKS.
TAX CREDITS.
WALL STREET.
MAIN STREET.
HEALTH CARE.
JUDGEMENT.
BUSH. BUSH. BUSH.
BIPARTISAN.
CLIMATE CHANGE.
Commenter Jencab: “You forgot…”
UUUHHHH
MY FRIENDS
ACROSS THE AISLE
WHEELS OF THE STRAIGHT TALK EXPRESS
I AGREE
MIDDLE CLASS
9:02pm Eastern. Schieffer starts right off the bad with the Dow plunge today. Why is your plan better than his?
McCain: Americans are hurting and they’re angry. Their innocent victims of GREED and WALL STREET.
Drink, drink, drink up.
McCain: They are hurting and they’re angry.
Ok, we get it.
Now, he’s promoting home ownership and preservation at any cost. Pitches his rotten individual mortgage rescue plan. “Put home owners first.”
McCain criticizes Paulson for “not making it their first priority.”
Only superficial mention of Fannie/Freddie.
I repeat what I said earlier today: Hey, chumps: Why are you still paying your mortgages?
Obama: RESCUE package for the MIDDLE CLASS.
My glass is half-empty already.
Obama: TAX CREDIT.
Gulp again.
Obama: Sen. McCain, I AGREE with helping homeowners.
Glass is empty.
McCain brings up The Plumber: Joe, I wanna tell ya. I want to keep your taxes low, affordable health care, I will not stand for tax increases on small business income. What you want to do to Joe the plumber is…have them not live the American Dream.
Obama brings up his 95 percent tax cut fantasy.
McCain blasts Obama for his “spread the wealth around” ideology. I want Joe the Plumber to spread the wealth around. Why would you want to increase anyone’s taxes right now? I’m not going to do that in my administration.
Obama invokes his friend, billionaire Warren Buffett in response.
Not such a bright move there, Barry.
We’re talking about a plumber and Obama leans on one of the richest men in the world as a crutch?
McCain: We need to cut people’s taxes, create jobs, not “spread the wealth around.”
Good. He drove that nail.
9:14pm Eastern. Schieffer asks what specific programs the candidates would cut.
Obama has been blabbing for two minutes without naming anything specific. Blahblahblahblah. He’s talking about making “investments” to prevent diseases.
He STILL hasn’t mentioned a single program.
9:16pm Eastern. McCain should have nailed Obama immediately for failing to name a single program he would cut, but he wants to return to the home ownership/prevention crap. Increasing home values. Blahblahblah. McCain segues into energy independence.
Finally, an answer.
McCain: What would I cut? Across-the-board spending freeze. Some people say it’s a hatchet. I’ll do the hatchet and then the scalpel. Would cut marketing assistance, ethanol subsidies, I know how to save billions.
Grab your drinks: McCain mentions EARMARKS.
9:21pm Eastern. McCain repeats his line that Americans are angry. Pledges to balance the budget in four years. You have to tell me one time when you’ve stood up to the leaders of your party.
Obama: Cites tort reform, charter schools. He slips in a reference to Fox News agreeing with him.
Obama moves to his BUSH-McCain talking points.
McCain: Elaborates on his opposition to Bush administration. I’ve got the scars to prove it. Cites CLIMATE CHANGE. Your record of independence isn’t very convincing.
Schieffer moves to the tone of the campaign. Obama says “erratic,” “losing his bearings, etc.” McCain says “lie,” “palling around with terrorists,” etc. “Are you each willing to say to each other’s face what you’ve said in ads.”
McCain goes first. “It’s gotten tough and I regret some of it.” Blames Obama for not accepting Town Hall proposals. McCain calls out John Lewis for comparing him to George Wallace and calls out Obama for not repudiating him. Very unfair and totally inappropriate. We will run a truthful campaign. A tough campaign. Obama has spent more on negative ads than any campaign in history. He said he would take public financing if I did. He didn’t keep his word. You didn’t tell the American people the truth.
Obama: We expect presidential campaigns to be tough. Whines that McCain’s ads were 100 percent negative and says people don’t want to hear about their hurt feelings. Plays the distraction card.
Obama will not repudiate John Lewis’s remarks, then says “politics as usual” is no longer acceptable.
McCain attacks Obama’s health care and immigration ads. Invokes Joe the Plumber again.
Obama smirks.
McCain: I did not hear repudiation of Congressman Lewis’s remarks.
Obama whines about the purported catcalls at the Palin rallies and rationalizes Lewis’s remarks. Whines about the “palling around with terrorists” jibe. It’s an opening to talk about Ayers…but McCain’s not biting for whatever reason.
9:33pm Eastern. McCain defends the people who attend his rallies.
KNOCK ME OVER WITH A FEATHER. He’s defending the base. “I’m not going to stand for that!”
You just scored some points, McCain.
FINALLY!
McCain: I’ve seen t-shirts that are unacceptable. Things yelled at your rallies.
FINALLY! Rejecting the “mob narrative.”
9:35pm Eastern. McCain ate his Wheaties. He mentions old, washed-up terrorist Ayers and Acorn – destroying the fabric of our nation.
Obama gives his talking points about Ayers (I was eight years old) and ACORN (I represented them in a lawsuit with the Justice Department).
McCain better set the record straight.
9:38pm Eastern. McCain says he launched his political campaign in Ayers’ living room. Mentions Ayers’ 2001 regret that he hadn’t bombed more.
Well, was that enough, folks? What do you think?
I think it’s the best we can expect McCain to have done.
The McCain campaign e-mails the talking points McCain failed to recite…
ACORN’s Political Action Committee Endorsed Barack Obama For President. “[A]CORN’s political action committee endorsed Barack Obama for President. … The endorsement reflects a belief that Obama – who worked as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago – understands that change must come from the ground-up, as part of a working coalition, rather than from position papers.” (Katrina Vanden Heuvel, Op-Ed, “ACORN: Obama Gets It,” The Nation, 2/23/08)
Barack Obama’s Campaign “Paid More Than $800,000″ To ACORN For Get-Out-The Vote Efforts; The Campaign Originally “Misrepresented” The Group’s Work To The FEC. “U.S. Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat’s campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports. An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. — a subsidiary of ACORN — worked in ‘get-out-the-vote’ projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary.” (David M. Brown, “Obama To Amend Report On $800,000 In Spending,” Pittsburgh Tribune Review, 8/22/08)
Barack Obama Directed Project Vote And Later Taught Classes For “Future Leaders Identified By ACORN And The Centers For New Horizons.” “In 1992 Obama took time off to direct Project Vote, the most successful grass-roots voter-registration campaign in recent city history. Credited with helping elect Carol Moseley-Braun to the U.S. Senate, the registration drive, aimed primarily at African-Americans, added an estimated 125,000 voters to the voter rolls–even more than were registered during Harold Washington’s mayoral campaigns. ‘It’s a power thing,’ said the brochures and radio commercials. … Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side.” (Hank De Zutter, Op-Ed, “What Makes Obama Run?” Chicago Reader, 12/8/95)
· In 1992, Barack Obama Was Hired By ACORN To Run A Voter Registration Effort. “Indeed, Mr. Obama has extensive connections with the granddaddy of activist groups, Acorn (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), which has gotten millions in government grants for its low-income housing programs. In 1992, Acorn hired Mr. Obama to run a voter registration effort. He later became a trainer for the group, as well as its lawyer in election law cases. Acorn’s political arm has endorsed Mr. Obama while its ‘voter education’ arm has pledged to spend $35 million to register people this fall — despite a history of vote fraud scandals that have led to guilty pleas by many Acorn employees.” (John Fund, “Obama’s Liberal Shock Troops,” The Wall Street Journal, 7/12/08)
Barack Obama Was Part Of Team Of Lawyers Who Represented ACORN In A Suit Against The State Of Illinois. “Obama was part of a team of attorneys who represented the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) in a lawsuit against the state of Illinois in 1995 for failing to implement a federal law designed to make it easier for the poor and others to register as voters.” (Mike Robinson, “Obama Got Start In Civil Rights Practice,” The Associated Press, 2/20/07)
ACORN Received Grants From The Woods Fund When Barack Obama Served on The Board Of Directors
· The Chicago ACORN Received Grants Of $45,000 (2000), $30,000 (2001), $45,000 (2001), $30,000 (2002), And $40,000 (2002) From The Woods Fund. (Donors Forum Website, ifs.donorsforum.org, Accessed 6/10/08)
· NOTE: From 1993 To 2002, Barack Obama Served On The Board Of Directors For The Woods Fund. (Tim Novak and Fran Spielman, “Obama Helped Ex-Boss Get $1 Mil. From Charity,” Chicago Sun-Times, 11/29/07)
9:41pm Eastern. Schieffer asks each candidate why their vp candidate would be a better prez than the other’s vp candidate.
Obama gives obligatory Joe is Great spiel with requisite Violence Against Women Act reference and is now talking about “INVESTING” again. Make it a drinking word.
McCain: Sarah Palin is a reformer. She understands families with special needs. She’s ignited our party and people who have never been involved in the political process.
Reader Dustin writes that McCain should have said “Not only do I think Palin would be better than Biden, I believe she’d be better and more experienced than Barack Obama.”
Schieffer asks Obama if Palin is qualified. “That will be up to the American people to decide,” then throws in a jab at McCain on special needs. Says it will take more spending.
McCain: Biden’s qualified in many respects, but has been wrong on foreign policy that’s supposed to be his strength. Cockamamie idea of dividing Iraq in three parts. Wrong about the first Gulf War. National security.
Then McCain jabs Obama back over relying on new spending as solution to everything.
9:47pm Eastern. CLIMATE CHANGE!
Obama is especially smirky tonight, isn’t he?
9:52pm Eastern. McCain dings Obama for opposing Colombia free trade agreement. “Obama, who’s never traveled south of our border…”
McCain slips in Obama’s tea-with-dictators stance. Obama smirks and snorts.
9:59pm Eastern. Health care. McCain is really using Joe the Plumber to great effect. Invokes him again and asks what fine Obama would impose on him if he doesn’t meet Obama’s mandates.
McCain uses a bogus Michael Moore statistic: See the 47 million uninsured lie.
10:04pm Eastern. McCain challenges Obama’s big government policies and mistakenly calls Obama “Sen. Government.”
Yeah, that works.
10:08pm Eastern. Schieffer throws in a SCOTUS question. McCain and Obama agree they wouldn’t apply a litmus test. Obama invokes Roe v. Wade.
McCain better bring up Obama’s lies about his born-alive survivors bill vote.
10:11pm Eastern. YES! He’s finally making up for all those missed opportunities. McCain nails Obama for his extreme, pro-abortion votes. “That’s his record. He voted in direct contradiction to the feelings of mainstream America.”
Obama spins. Filibusters.
McCain rejoinder to Obama — nails him on disingenuous “health of the mother” language/loopholes. Mentions that he and Cindy are adoptive parents, but that doesn’t mean we won’t continue to stand for the rights of the unborn.
Very eloquent. Good job, McCain. (See, who says I can’t say nice things about Mac?)
10:16pm Eastern. Last question is on education.
I’m tuning out Obama. He just said “INVEST” for the 998th time tonight. Blahblah.
McCain calls education the civil rights issue of the 21st century. Talks about choice, parental empowerment. Give parents the same choice that the Obamas have and Cindy and I have to send their kids to good schools. Throwing money is not the answer to the problem. You will find that some of the worst public school districts get the most money.
BINGO.
10:21pm Eastern. Schieffer asks if there should be increased federal role in education. Obama says yes despite the failure of No Child Left Behind. Pay teachers more, fund early childhood education. I AGREE with McCain on charter schools, says Obama. Opposes vouchers.
McCain dings Obama again for exercising his own school choice, but not allowing other parents to do the same.
Obama called on people to put down their video games, but as a McCain staffer e-mails: “But he advertises on them? Disingenuousness.”
Obama tries to rationalize his opposition to vouchers.
McCain sums it up for him: “So because there aren’t enough vouchers we shouldn’t have any even if they work. Got it.”
Obama claims that DC superintendent only supports charter schools, not vouchers. McCain corrects him. Obama sticks to his claim.
Obama is wrong. McCain is right. More here.
Obama: Out-of-touch with minority families demanding choice in D.C.
Debate wrap-up here.
***
11:09pm Eastern Hillary is on Fox News (!) praising Obama through gritted teeth. She says that Joe the Plumber will be “appreciably more positively impacted” by Obama’s policies vs. McCain’s.
“Appreciably more positively impacted?”
And they call Sarah Palin inarticulate…
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Hey everyone “Bringing up Baby” is on TCM. It’s more entertaining than the debate. Just come back and see what Michelle says later.
Don’t forget…
Crisis!
oh noooooooo! lol
Did anyone read the talking points from the Obama campaign on Drudge? They’re completely ridiculous.
I’d like to hear some Supreme Court material for a change…
Yeah, didn’t think Odumbo was the preemptive strike kind of guy, did you?
Those buzzwords are enough to have one’s stomach pumped.
Be careful out there.
and if they say “climate change” you have to eat your glass.
ajmontana beat me to it!
I’m only taking a drink when ever Obamasan says “Greedy”, “Failed”, or “Bush”
I expect to be unconcious 7 minutes into this drone-a-thon and I’m only knocking back 2% moo-juice.
You forgot “MIDDLE CLASS.”
Mark Levin suggested that would be repeated endlessly by the big Zero.
Oh wait. I don’t want anyone having to be rushed to the ER for alcohol poisoning.
Probably best not to add it then after all.
Michelle you forgot:
UUUHHHH
MY FRIENDS
ACROSS THE AISLE
WHEELS OF THE STRAIGHT TALK EXPRESS
I AGREE
MIDDLE CLASS
I hope McCain downs a couple of them ACORN martinis before he goes on stage. I want to see the feisty fighter jock of old knock some teeth out. I want so many head banging rounds that the New York Times AM headline is, “Rocky McCain decks The One.”
On second thought, just shake me up another double.
I can’t watch these things. I get too nervous. Can’t watch my son play football either!
I enjoy these liveblogging posts, though. I have no problem reading about the debate as it happens. Did that all through 2004 debates too.
Well, hopefully McCain will come out swinging and bring up Ayers, ACORN, and Socialism too whether or not they are brought up. Hope he mentions Joe the Plumber!! That would be great.
Otherwise….I can’t even think about the alternative. Sigh.
Why am I stoked for this debate? Did someone slip me a mickey?
You aren’t going to see a fighter jock tonight. The only teeth you might see falling out with be false-teeth… unfortunately.
That’s tempting, TCM kept me up late ‘Singin’ in the Rain’ last night.
I keep hoping for McCain to open fire (Note to Secret Service- rhetorical fire) on that empty-suited-ONE, and come out swinging with a strong defense of free markets and their resulting prosperity, and limiting government interference in our lives.
Is it in him??
Can he cross the aisle once more and embrace conservatism?
Well I’ll be watching while I e-file my taxes. Tonight’s the deadline for those of us who got an extension. Actually those of us in Gustav and Ike areas get a further extension to Jan. 5, 2009, but the deadline for the stimulus-palooza is still tonight. Guess I’ve gotta get mine now before the socialists decide next year that the people who still haven’t gotten their lives back together after Katrina deserve my money more than I do.
Ruth… he might says the works Ayers and ACORN – but, he won’t say much about either. He’s after swing voters, and they want to know what he’ll do to get their jobs back. Same with the Zero.. both are after swing voters, and it’s going to be a promise-ya-anything I can think of thing tonight.
Tonight we get to see the Good Ship McCain take another broadside of mushy, geriatric bile
Since I don’t drink anymore I just went and bought a carton of extra chunky cookie dough ice cream. With these buzz words Michelle has picked out I can already feel a brain freeze coming on.
Uumm that was supposed to be ‘words’ …
At least McCain will look young and vibrant next to Bob Schieffer!
I’m voting for the Acorn Martini! One more and I’m done…
McCain needs to throw Obama off his game at the very start. He needs to say something outragous like ” You’re not even a U.S. citizen, you were born in Kenya. That’s why you haven’t produced a valid birth certificate.” Anything to get him stammering right off the bat. And then start tying him to ACORN and Ayres. Just keep him playing defense.
everyone take a shot when you hear 95%. You’ll be wasted by 9:15.
The buzzword from the left about McCain all month has been “erratic”.
If I hear that word one more time I’m going to scream!
Scroo the wuzzbords, I’m alread (hic), I’m alread (hic) I been drinkin already! And don’t give me that stank blare, I know my cacapity!
I wonder what kind of cocktail vodka and Alka Seltzer would make…
I have a nice bottle of German Auslase and I WILL take a drink if I hear the words:
YOU LYING PIECE OF…
BOBBAGANUCHE
STORM TROOPER(S)
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT
BITE ME
PRAYER RUG
DUMBO
MAFIOSO
TERRORIST GHOST WRITER
TERRORIST BUTT-BUDDY
MEAT PUPPET
Otherwise it’s going to be the same old same old yawnfest
Quick, somebody grab Rogue’s keys?
Obama will bring it tonight
Here’s a preview…
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/495728/955178.gif
My bet – McCain only mentions ‘voter fraud’ – and perhaps tries weakly to tie the Zero to the probability of a lot of it in the coming election. But… I doubt he’ll do much of it… because he doesn’t want to give media any excuse to say he’s whining.
Wow…not too many folks know what that is!
I put a question mark in there and it should have been an exclamation point. No, I haven’t had anything to drink.
I think think it is because this is the beginning of end of this 2 year farce that has been foisted on the American public. At least after tonight there will be no more more debates to look forward to that inevtiably turn into another depressing letdown.
Got me a 1/2 gal of Ultimate Moose Tracks ice cream in hopes that McCain leaves a few across The One’s forehead.
And a 6 pack in case he doesn’t.
There’s and idea, jsr… McCain could say that he’ll pass a law to never again allow media to run a two-year campaign – limiting it to six months ONLY.
That alone might break the log-jamb…
As folks who know what’s going on and keep abreast of current events, I guess I don’t know why you’ll spend time watching this. It’s not like you’re going to hear anything you haven’t heard before.
Unless you’re just trying to get your mid-week buzz on.
Only if I can be mickey – 30!
Be still my beating heart. Can someone please, tell me this is true. PLEASE. I just can’t take another one (and won’t).
It’s from the MXC drinking game!
MXC: A show which makes more sense than this debate will.
Babaganoush: Mediterranian eggplant salad
Iiitttt’s DVR time.
Wake me at halftime.
LMAO
Great slap down on lgm today. In your honor and to get you half crocked so you can stand the debate:
BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME BITE ME
what you won’t hear: border, cost of illegals on economy and what cost of the policies on the economy. the fact that this mess is not bush’s policies fault as much as it is a global mismanagement of financial and credit markets. if it was just bush’s policies, this would not be a global mess we are dealing with, it would be just an internal mess. this mess is and was man made, and why would you have those that made the mess trying to fix it?
these are things i would like to hear, but won’t.
I’m scared!
I think the hubby may have something to say about that.
I’ve said this before, but here’s my request for these debates. In 500-word answers, I’d love for each candidate to answer the following:
1. What is the role of the President?
2. What is the role of Congress and the Supreme Court?
3. What is the purpose of government?
4. What role, if any, should the government play in the economy?
5. What is your foreign policy, not in reference to any particular country, but as a holistic policy?
6. What is the role of the military, and how would you use it?
7. From where do you derive your world view?
8. Is the Constitution a “living” document? If so, how?
9. What are your views on state vs. federal roles?
10. What is the most just and revenue-maximizing form of taxation?
11. What makes you qualified for this position?
12. How would you improve the American education system?
13. When does life begin?
14. How would you increase national security?
15. What is your vision for the nation?
Here we go! The NLCS is on Fox if you get board.
Domestic policy – sounds broad enough.
a shot of Jagermeister, a cup of coffee, a little Bushmills and i’m ready for the Marx brothers… Karl & Harpo… let the subliminal masturbation begin.
Dern! I’m missing the Project Runway season finale on Bravo!
Obama slipped him a C note.
BO is a close talker, he always looks like he is going to kiss Biden or in this case, McCain
Schieffer, they’re not tax cuts!!!!!!!
ROFLMAO
Awesome too. I grew up eating it all my life.
Line up the shots.
C’mon McCain…
Anyone else find it ironic that the market seems to tank on debate night?
I’m already disappointed. Don’t waste a second, Mac!
angry 5 times..
Bottoms up.
Thank God he mentioned Washington!
angry/hurting
Michelle, had you included the word “ANGRY” above we’d all be drunk by now
socialism/ blahhhhhhhh
If you’re taking shots maybe, RockyR.
uuuhhh where am I
Good evening comrades!! Sounds much like same boring talk…
Can we dispense with the pointless thak you’s?
The great depression? No, since Jimmy Carter.
Oh dear, no one told McCain how much that $300 billion mortgage buy hurt him the last time? Is this guy gone over the edge?
Middle class..consume
“Worst financial crisis since the Great Depression” should have been on the list.
I think it was Scott Rassmussen that pointed out it is not the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression, it is the greatest since CARTER
My tolerance is pretty low
That long “aaaand” is going to really annoying for the next 4 years.
Send Me – Great Qs! They actually pertain to a Pres.
class warfare…. middle class. isn;t that what Michelle my bell Obama said NOT to strive for!
KILL AMBITION!!!!
How do we tell who is in crisis?
McCain starts off defending socialism?
Whiskey tango…
The limit just got LOWER! Obama doesn’t know what he considers “rich”.
Pitch coming over the plate John.
Duelling campaign speeches. Borrrring.
BO, what happened to $250,000? Now it’s $200,000?
HAHAHAHA he doesn’t want to waste taxpayer money!!!!!! That’s right, he wants to spend it on himself
Hey BO lets get our own oil.
Great depression:
Three debates from these clowns.
How did Obama manage to run to the right of McCain on this?
The Plumber!!!
Joe!!!
Plumber!!!
McCain looks and sounds weak.
I caught both stump speeches ALREADY!
SUHWEET – He’s going to beat him over the head about the “redistribution” comment… hehe. GOOD.
He’s nervous about it, though.
OK, the plumber story. Good. American Dream…
Hit ‘em with JOE!!! Hit ‘em hard, Mac!!!
I ran out of beer during Obama’s first reponse…too many “uhhhh”s…I have to take that one off the list if I’m going to make it another 5 minutes!
I think McCain has been hitting the Acorn Martinis too. Speak up man.
SAY IT….REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH!
McCains nervous you can hear it in voice