Liveblogging the last presidential debate of 2008
It begins at 9pm Eastern.
Liberal Beltway fixture Bob Schieffer moderates. I noted in 2004 that he asked a question about immigration during one of the 2004 debates. Wouldn’t it be novel if the subject finally came up tonight? Not that the La Raza twins would differ much. I’m not the only one who wants to hear some border talk. The Plumber Joe Wurzelbach mentioned it, too.
Got your ACORN martinis, ready?
Drinking game buzz words:
GREED.
GREEDY.
RESCUE.
EARMARKS.
TAX CREDITS.
WALL STREET.
MAIN STREET.
HEALTH CARE.
JUDGEMENT.
BUSH. BUSH. BUSH.
BIPARTISAN.
CLIMATE CHANGE.
Commenter Jencab: “You forgot…”
UUUHHHH
MY FRIENDS
ACROSS THE AISLE
WHEELS OF THE STRAIGHT TALK EXPRESS
I AGREE
MIDDLE CLASS
9:02pm Eastern. Schieffer starts right off the bad with the Dow plunge today. Why is your plan better than his?
McCain: Americans are hurting and they’re angry. Their innocent victims of GREED and WALL STREET.
Drink, drink, drink up.
McCain: They are hurting and they’re angry.
Ok, we get it.
Now, he’s promoting home ownership and preservation at any cost. Pitches his rotten individual mortgage rescue plan. “Put home owners first.”
McCain criticizes Paulson for “not making it their first priority.”
Only superficial mention of Fannie/Freddie.
I repeat what I said earlier today: Hey, chumps: Why are you still paying your mortgages?
Obama: RESCUE package for the MIDDLE CLASS.
My glass is half-empty already.
Obama: TAX CREDIT.
Gulp again.
Obama: Sen. McCain, I AGREE with helping homeowners.
Glass is empty.
McCain brings up The Plumber: Joe, I wanna tell ya. I want to keep your taxes low, affordable health care, I will not stand for tax increases on small business income. What you want to do to Joe the plumber is…have them not live the American Dream.
Obama brings up his 95 percent tax cut fantasy.
McCain blasts Obama for his “spread the wealth around” ideology. I want Joe the Plumber to spread the wealth around. Why would you want to increase anyone’s taxes right now? I’m not going to do that in my administration.
Obama invokes his friend, billionaire Warren Buffett in response.
Not such a bright move there, Barry.
We’re talking about a plumber and Obama leans on one of the richest men in the world as a crutch?
McCain: We need to cut people’s taxes, create jobs, not “spread the wealth around.”
Good. He drove that nail.
9:14pm Eastern. Schieffer asks what specific programs the candidates would cut.
Obama has been blabbing for two minutes without naming anything specific. Blahblahblahblah. He’s talking about making “investments” to prevent diseases.
He STILL hasn’t mentioned a single program.
9:16pm Eastern. McCain should have nailed Obama immediately for failing to name a single program he would cut, but he wants to return to the home ownership/prevention crap. Increasing home values. Blahblahblah. McCain segues into energy independence.
Finally, an answer.
McCain: What would I cut? Across-the-board spending freeze. Some people say it’s a hatchet. I’ll do the hatchet and then the scalpel. Would cut marketing assistance, ethanol subsidies, I know how to save billions.
Grab your drinks: McCain mentions EARMARKS.
9:21pm Eastern. McCain repeats his line that Americans are angry. Pledges to balance the budget in four years. You have to tell me one time when you’ve stood up to the leaders of your party.
Obama: Cites tort reform, charter schools. He slips in a reference to Fox News agreeing with him.
Obama moves to his BUSH-McCain talking points.
McCain: Elaborates on his opposition to Bush administration. I’ve got the scars to prove it. Cites CLIMATE CHANGE. Your record of independence isn’t very convincing.
Schieffer moves to the tone of the campaign. Obama says “erratic,” “losing his bearings, etc.” McCain says “lie,” “palling around with terrorists,” etc. “Are you each willing to say to each other’s face what you’ve said in ads.”
McCain goes first. “It’s gotten tough and I regret some of it.” Blames Obama for not accepting Town Hall proposals. McCain calls out John Lewis for comparing him to George Wallace and calls out Obama for not repudiating him. Very unfair and totally inappropriate. We will run a truthful campaign. A tough campaign. Obama has spent more on negative ads than any campaign in history. He said he would take public financing if I did. He didn’t keep his word. You didn’t tell the American people the truth.
Obama: We expect presidential campaigns to be tough. Whines that McCain’s ads were 100 percent negative and says people don’t want to hear about their hurt feelings. Plays the distraction card.
Obama will not repudiate John Lewis’s remarks, then says “politics as usual” is no longer acceptable.
McCain attacks Obama’s health care and immigration ads. Invokes Joe the Plumber again.
Obama smirks.
McCain: I did not hear repudiation of Congressman Lewis’s remarks.
Obama whines about the purported catcalls at the Palin rallies and rationalizes Lewis’s remarks. Whines about the “palling around with terrorists” jibe. It’s an opening to talk about Ayers…but McCain’s not biting for whatever reason.
9:33pm Eastern. McCain defends the people who attend his rallies.
KNOCK ME OVER WITH A FEATHER. He’s defending the base. “I’m not going to stand for that!”
You just scored some points, McCain.
FINALLY!
McCain: I’ve seen t-shirts that are unacceptable. Things yelled at your rallies.
FINALLY! Rejecting the “mob narrative.”
9:35pm Eastern. McCain ate his Wheaties. He mentions old, washed-up terrorist Ayers and Acorn – destroying the fabric of our nation.
Obama gives his talking points about Ayers (I was eight years old) and ACORN (I represented them in a lawsuit with the Justice Department).
McCain better set the record straight.
9:38pm Eastern. McCain says he launched his political campaign in Ayers’ living room. Mentions Ayers’ 2001 regret that he hadn’t bombed more.
Well, was that enough, folks? What do you think?
I think it’s the best we can expect McCain to have done.
The McCain campaign e-mails the talking points McCain failed to recite…
ACORN’s Political Action Committee Endorsed Barack Obama For President. “[A]CORN’s political action committee endorsed Barack Obama for President. … The endorsement reflects a belief that Obama – who worked as a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago – understands that change must come from the ground-up, as part of a working coalition, rather than from position papers.” (Katrina Vanden Heuvel, Op-Ed, “ACORN: Obama Gets It,” The Nation, 2/23/08)
Barack Obama’s Campaign “Paid More Than $800,000″ To ACORN For Get-Out-The Vote Efforts; The Campaign Originally “Misrepresented” The Group’s Work To The FEC. “U.S. Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat’s campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports. An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. — a subsidiary of ACORN — worked in ‘get-out-the-vote’ projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary.” (David M. Brown, “Obama To Amend Report On $800,000 In Spending,” Pittsburgh Tribune Review, 8/22/08)
Barack Obama Directed Project Vote And Later Taught Classes For “Future Leaders Identified By ACORN And The Centers For New Horizons.” “In 1992 Obama took time off to direct Project Vote, the most successful grass-roots voter-registration campaign in recent city history. Credited with helping elect Carol Moseley-Braun to the U.S. Senate, the registration drive, aimed primarily at African-Americans, added an estimated 125,000 voters to the voter rolls–even more than were registered during Harold Washington’s mayoral campaigns. ‘It’s a power thing,’ said the brochures and radio commercials. … Obama continues his organizing work largely through classes for future leaders identified by ACORN and the Centers for New Horizons on the south side.” (Hank De Zutter, Op-Ed, “What Makes Obama Run?” Chicago Reader, 12/8/95)
· In 1992, Barack Obama Was Hired By ACORN To Run A Voter Registration Effort. “Indeed, Mr. Obama has extensive connections with the granddaddy of activist groups, Acorn (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), which has gotten millions in government grants for its low-income housing programs. In 1992, Acorn hired Mr. Obama to run a voter registration effort. He later became a trainer for the group, as well as its lawyer in election law cases. Acorn’s political arm has endorsed Mr. Obama while its ‘voter education’ arm has pledged to spend $35 million to register people this fall — despite a history of vote fraud scandals that have led to guilty pleas by many Acorn employees.” (John Fund, “Obama’s Liberal Shock Troops,” The Wall Street Journal, 7/12/08)
Barack Obama Was Part Of Team Of Lawyers Who Represented ACORN In A Suit Against The State Of Illinois. “Obama was part of a team of attorneys who represented the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) in a lawsuit against the state of Illinois in 1995 for failing to implement a federal law designed to make it easier for the poor and others to register as voters.” (Mike Robinson, “Obama Got Start In Civil Rights Practice,” The Associated Press, 2/20/07)
ACORN Received Grants From The Woods Fund When Barack Obama Served on The Board Of Directors
· The Chicago ACORN Received Grants Of $45,000 (2000), $30,000 (2001), $45,000 (2001), $30,000 (2002), And $40,000 (2002) From The Woods Fund. (Donors Forum Website, ifs.donorsforum.org, Accessed 6/10/08)
· NOTE: From 1993 To 2002, Barack Obama Served On The Board Of Directors For The Woods Fund. (Tim Novak and Fran Spielman, “Obama Helped Ex-Boss Get $1 Mil. From Charity,” Chicago Sun-Times, 11/29/07)
9:41pm Eastern. Schieffer asks each candidate why their vp candidate would be a better prez than the other’s vp candidate.
Obama gives obligatory Joe is Great spiel with requisite Violence Against Women Act reference and is now talking about “INVESTING” again. Make it a drinking word.
McCain: Sarah Palin is a reformer. She understands families with special needs. She’s ignited our party and people who have never been involved in the political process.
Reader Dustin writes that McCain should have said “Not only do I think Palin would be better than Biden, I believe she’d be better and more experienced than Barack Obama.”
Schieffer asks Obama if Palin is qualified. “That will be up to the American people to decide,” then throws in a jab at McCain on special needs. Says it will take more spending.
McCain: Biden’s qualified in many respects, but has been wrong on foreign policy that’s supposed to be his strength. Cockamamie idea of dividing Iraq in three parts. Wrong about the first Gulf War. National security.
Then McCain jabs Obama back over relying on new spending as solution to everything.
9:47pm Eastern. CLIMATE CHANGE!
Obama is especially smirky tonight, isn’t he?
9:52pm Eastern. McCain dings Obama for opposing Colombia free trade agreement. “Obama, who’s never traveled south of our border…”
McCain slips in Obama’s tea-with-dictators stance. Obama smirks and snorts.
9:59pm Eastern. Health care. McCain is really using Joe the Plumber to great effect. Invokes him again and asks what fine Obama would impose on him if he doesn’t meet Obama’s mandates.
McCain uses a bogus Michael Moore statistic: See the 47 million uninsured lie.
10:04pm Eastern. McCain challenges Obama’s big government policies and mistakenly calls Obama “Sen. Government.”
Yeah, that works.
10:08pm Eastern. Schieffer throws in a SCOTUS question. McCain and Obama agree they wouldn’t apply a litmus test. Obama invokes Roe v. Wade.
McCain better bring up Obama’s lies about his born-alive survivors bill vote.
10:11pm Eastern. YES! He’s finally making up for all those missed opportunities. McCain nails Obama for his extreme, pro-abortion votes. “That’s his record. He voted in direct contradiction to the feelings of mainstream America.”
Obama spins. Filibusters.
McCain rejoinder to Obama — nails him on disingenuous “health of the mother” language/loopholes. Mentions that he and Cindy are adoptive parents, but that doesn’t mean we won’t continue to stand for the rights of the unborn.
Very eloquent. Good job, McCain. (See, who says I can’t say nice things about Mac?)
10:16pm Eastern. Last question is on education.
I’m tuning out Obama. He just said “INVEST” for the 998th time tonight. Blahblah.
McCain calls education the civil rights issue of the 21st century. Talks about choice, parental empowerment. Give parents the same choice that the Obamas have and Cindy and I have to send their kids to good schools. Throwing money is not the answer to the problem. You will find that some of the worst public school districts get the most money.
BINGO.
10:21pm Eastern. Schieffer asks if there should be increased federal role in education. Obama says yes despite the failure of No Child Left Behind. Pay teachers more, fund early childhood education. I AGREE with McCain on charter schools, says Obama. Opposes vouchers.
McCain dings Obama again for exercising his own school choice, but not allowing other parents to do the same.
Obama called on people to put down their video games, but as a McCain staffer e-mails: “But he advertises on them? Disingenuousness.”
Obama tries to rationalize his opposition to vouchers.
McCain sums it up for him: “So because there aren’t enough vouchers we shouldn’t have any even if they work. Got it.”
Obama claims that DC superintendent only supports charter schools, not vouchers. McCain corrects him. Obama sticks to his claim.
Obama is wrong. McCain is right. More here.
Obama: Out-of-touch with minority families demanding choice in D.C.
Debate wrap-up here.
***
11:09pm Eastern Hillary is on Fox News (!) praising Obama through gritted teeth. She says that Joe the Plumber will be “appreciably more positively impacted” by Obama’s policies vs. McCain’s.
“Appreciably more positively impacted?”
And they call Sarah Palin inarticulate…
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THrowing money at the problem doesn’t solve it. Look at DC
For those playing the drinking game, I’m wondering how many of you are able to see your keyboards to type the right keys right now.
LOL
“Special funding for schools”… You had 8 years of Clinton, and four years of Bush for that.
A infant is humane therefore it becomes murder.
The Federal Government should stay OUT of local school education.
The Dems made NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND another unfunded mandate IIRC.
Very eloquent. Good job, McCain. (See, who says I can’t say nice things about Mac?)
I do.. I do.. lol
Eliminate the teacher’s union and public schools and privatize.
:puts shving cream in Rogue’s hand and tickles his nose:
BWAHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHA
The grode got spanked.
g’night tropicalwave
Speaking of education…..Just How did Obama get into college? What were his grades?
I call BS on obama’s education answers and his speech in general.
Mac is cleaning BHO’s clock. This is unbelieveable – Mac finally smacks that skinny little twerp about the face and neck on taxes, abortion, taxes, NAFTA, taxes, health care…and oh yeah, taxes.
Mac just might pull this out yet.
Now Barry’s back to lying like a rug.
He said that HE “doubled the number of charter schools in Illinois”.
When? As what; a community organizer??
State Senators don’t decide how many charter schools get to exist!
What a damn liar.
what on earth is he talking about?
Not every kid needs to go to college. Jeezus!
Barry don’t know about Education…can’t remember his indoctrination from his buddy Bill…maybe he needs to spend more time at the Ayers’ house…
Okay BO, name ONE special interest group that you don’t want to throw money at
Almost done…
You know, I think I am glad they didn’t get into immigration…
One last chance for teachers before they’re booted!! What? You can’t use their current track record. What spin!
give college quotas and scholarships for minorities who aren’t as qualifed as others.
Who needs an education if you are not going to go work in a business. Ask you wife, Obama.
I had a student threaten me yesterday. But, she said she couldn’t beat me up because she’s on probation.
Dodged a bullet there, so to speak.
Anybody wanna try teaching chemistry to these lovely burdens?
Don’t know. I’ve been asking that for weeks now!
Yup, teachers unions are looking out for teachers’ interests, not students’.
bring up the failure of annenberg
McCain is educating Obama and Obama is nodding his head in understanding and agreement. Classic.
Obama meant to say…..cartel schools.
ooooh.. Mac is schooling OB.. Yeah
gayle, hell will freeze over before you see those Columbia transcripts
Yeah. Gee, McCain must have been paying attention in Milwaukee. MPS is one of the worst, most funded, poorly managed districts in the nation.
I’m enjoying this McCain much better than last debate…
I want to hug Johnny.
I’ll even offer Obi a hanky afterwards.
TxGator, you know what I’m talking about.
wow … spanked him on not knowing DC was vouchers issue …
Homeschool. That’s the only choice left now.
Think Sarah lit a fire under his @$$?
Obama looks stupid on the split screen when not speaking.
GASP! you mean barry’s kids don’t go to a D.C public school!!
Good hit on vouchers, John.
This was much better than the last debate.
He is so protected. Disgusting.
Absolutely, a desperately needed first step.
Word on the street is.. OB did not have good grades at Columbia. Don’t know if it is true.. but he sure seem to be hiding something?
Why is the government involved in college? I paid for mine too.
Head Start sucks! I know, my sister wasted two summers teaching (trying to) in it. It was merely a babysitting service for low income households.
I didn’t go to college because my parents couldn’t afford it and I was too irresponsible to get the grades I needed and yes, I’ll say it: I was too white to qualify for any special programs. I’ve done just fine.
McCain is on top of it tonight.
I dunno guys… McCain cut through a lot of the bulls… (oops, almost typed it) tonight. This race may make a HUGE turn this next week. We may not need to worry about those Columbia transcript.
McCain is on fire tonight. But as usual, the MSM will declare Obama won.
Oh well.
Yes, I do, committed. I spent five years in South Central Los Angeles trying to help people that did not want my help.
Now, I’m outside Houston, and I’m running out of districts to run to.
it doens’t matter that Mac is winning this debate. BO will still become president..it has already been decided by the communists and marxists runnign this country nowadays.
The cause of Autism? Hey don’t overreach, Mac. My heart goes out, but that’s a tall order
Go check out Drudge, his headline is “Joe the Plumber’s Election!” with a “spread the wealth around” chaser
CHICAGO
Gun Control and Excess spending on public edjamacation go hand in hand. Even with all that Annenberg $$$$.
Uh, uh, on vouches in DC, uh, and, uh…. and uh,.
He is awful without a teleprompter.
“because the data doesn’t show that we can get the most effective programming of the children”
fixed it for ya Barry
The other 50 states?
Ann-en-berg
Ann-en-berg
Ann-en-berg
Ann-en-berg
Ann-en-berg,
C’mon, John
vicki, I agree! Sad state of affairs isn’t it? The worthless get everything. What incentive is there to do better?
McCain, love ya man!@
McCain gets that last word in!
HAH!
good jab at the end John …
Obama agrees with McCain AGAIN! Switching to Scotch!!!
McCain closed with a 1-2 punch.
This was way more fun than the last two.
I wonder if Obama takes his burdens to McDonald’s once in a while, and I wonder if he orders them burdens’ meals. Do they order off the burden’s menu when they go to nice restaurants?
Keep bringing it home, Sheriff!
vouchers worked in Wisconsin
Drudge is holding steady for Mac
DC schools are in such bad shape because socialist democrats have controlled them for the last 40+ years. It has never been a issue of what the children need, but an issue of teachers need to have guaranteed jobs and get paid even if they are incapable of, or just do not want, to teach.
Yay McCain. An actual pulse tonight.
vouchers are out because you cant endoctrinate children in schools their parents choose to send them to
Of course President McCain will determine the cause of autism…
Just like President Kerry made Christopher Reeve walk again.
palin would close this deal better.
I was satisfied until about 2 years ago john, last 2 years have sucked, not the last 8.
Obama can shorten his closing statement and encapsulate all his BS in one line stolen from a movie a few years back.
“Vote for Obama, and all your dreams will come true..”
If the government stayed out of it and student enrollment dropped, the university’s would drop the tuition. It would cause competition. What a concept.
McCain seems to blink what he says while he says it… Am I missing something?
The MSM and ACORN will do their worst to see that he doesnt.
I guess the “my friends” drinkers are sober. I am pleased. “too many beer to spell shocked.” worked that time.
Who Do You Trust.
Good closing arguement
I think our savior Obama can make the dead rise and………
VOTE! OVER AND OVER AGAIN!
blinking is Mac’s normal manner
He told parents to tell their kids to put down the video games. Millions of adults play video games so that ad buy was pretty slick.
Peace out, “My Friends”.
I’m going over to watch them bawl like babies at MSNBC
Did we beat hotair in # of comments?
“Here’s my final statement….ummmm…. errrrrrr….. I……..ummmmmm…. uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
first freakin line out of his dumb mouth! and again! he will NOT get off the Bush bashing. What a tool.
Fantastic closing remarks from McCain.
Catholic schools give better educations for 2/3’s of the money. Government is a monopoly, so why do people think a monopoly will make anything cheaper? Who would think allowing Exxon to have a monopoly on oil somehow make gas cheaper? Just screwy logic.
as good as can be expected. Good enough? We’ll see…
Obama, McCain is Bush.
I owe McCain an apology. I thought the field mouse would show up and it was a lion instead. He won, no two ways about it.
Stay out of my home, or I’ll shoot…
Great talking to you guys tonight.
Keep hope alive.
I never invited Obama in my house. I’d slam the door in his face. Your welcome.
…as Joe Biden dances in moon boots!
Grow the middle class just like Alinsky taught you Bambi.
“I fought for socialism my entire career…”
Check out my site http://www.politicallyincorrectfacts.com/Barack%20Obama/Barack_Obama.htm
Obama’s “fundamental change” = socialism. Well, that has been tried, by FDR, and it failed. It took a world war to bring us back. So yes, I guess that would be a form of change, but not the change working Americans want.