The Colin Powell endorsement: Triumph of hope over reality

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 19, 2008 11:27 AM


Gravitas.

The media’s in a tizzy over Colin Powell’s Meet the Press endorsement of Barack Obama this morning.

It’s not a surprise to anyone who’s paid attention to his pro-Obama murmurings over the last four months.

How will people outside the Beltway bubble respond?

Yawn.

Here’s the vid:

Powell’s embrace of Barack Obama is a triumph of hope over reality. He told Tom Brokaw that Obama’s “steadiness” and “not jumping in and changing every day” convinced him that The One was ready to lead.

Hello?

Guess Powell relied on Obama’s website after he purged his surge criticism from it.

Powell then goes on to pooh-pooh Obama’s longtime “limited relationship” with Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers as an “issue that is not central” to the campaign — just as evidence of the closeness of these two very chummy “neighbors” mounts.

Judgment, schmudgment, eh, Secretary Powell?

Finally, we arrive at the real reason Powell is endorsing Obama: The party, he complains, has become too “narrow” for his tastes. Pro-abortion Powell can’t stand the thought of two more Republican Supreme Court appointments. He thinks Sarah Palin is too conservative. He shares the Obama view of our base as racist and non-inclusive — but has nothing to say about the rabid pack of America-damning preachers who helped make Obama the “transformational” figure Powell has placed his faith in.

Powell also makes reference to all the Obama-is-a-Muslim rumors, blaming the Republican Party for all that. Never mind the Democrat Hillary backers like Bob Kerrey and on down to her grass-roots supporters who indulged themselves and trafficked in those very rumors Powell smears conservatives for spreading.

The orgy of Obamedia attention Powell will receive the next 24 hours is disproportionate to its importance.

The press only loves maverick Republicans when they jump in bed with Democrats.

Just ask John McCain.

***

One last note: I see in comments that many believe Powell supports Obama because he is black. Powell has said electing a black president would be “electrifying.” He is a staunch supporter of government racial preferences.

It’s a mistake, though, to attribute Powell’s endorsement primarily to some kind of race loyalty.

It’s Obama’s social liberalism, not his skin color, that attracts Powell most.

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Comments


  1. #507449
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:28 am, old_texan said:

    If Obama is elected I see these as real possibilities.

    IRAN will strike Israel as soon as possible.

    Russia will take over Georgia and many other countries as well.

    A strike by Al Qada will turn Afganistan and Iraq into killing zones. Both governments will fall and all leaders of both countries executed.

    Oil prices will skyrocket.

    But you dems go ahead and see what Obama means by “real world change”.

  2. #507451
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:29 am, right4life said:

    I’m afraid we’ve been coasting along for a while on the works of our forefathers…and when we go down, it’ll be over a cliff, quickly.

  3. #507453
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:30 am, Ahh a Lion! said:

    I think Powell’s main motivation is to see the Republican party burn to the ground. I don’t know if that desire is fueled by the need for vengeance against Bush, or if he genuinely sees how far the party has fallen, but I think he’s right. I don’t think for a second that this is some sort of race-based bias – Powell has always been a man of principle, and I can see how that principle would cause an absolutely horrific response to what has happened to Republicanism in the last eight years.

    My assumption is that Powell is not voting for Obama, he is voting against Republicanism in its current form. It takes a lot of courage to do what he has done in endorsing Obama – but his words reveal some of the motives behind that endorsement, and they are logical, reasoned and most likely, shared by many other disgusted republicans.

  4. #507456
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:32 am, MtsEdge said:

    shared by many other disgusted republicans

    Just b/c Repubs are “disgusted,” doesn’t mean they want Obama to become POTUS.

  5. #507458
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:34 am, plymouthacclaim said:

    agreed, MtsEdge, I will not ruin my country just to prove a point.

  6. #507463
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:40 am, flenser said:

    My assumption is that Powell is not voting for Obama, he is voting against Republicanism in its current form. It takes a lot of courage to do what he has done in endorsing Obama

    Yeah, it takes real courage to support the medias Anointed One. What were you thinking when you wrote that?

  7. #507464
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:40 am, chapoutier said:

    She thinks that God will use this election to bring judgment on the US. We have been long overdue.

    You don’t mean America’s chickens are coming home to roost, do you?

  8. #507466
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:41 am, flenser said:

    There’s a lot of kooky “Christians” here who worship Israel more than Christ.

  9. #507467
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:42 am, plymouthacclaim said:

    And the trolls have arrived.

  10. #507471
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:46 am, flenser said:

    Powell has always been a man of principle, and I can see how that principle would cause an absolutely horrific response to what has happened to Republicanism in the last eight years

    The GOP has transformed itself into a second socialist party. Powell has attacked the GOP for being too right wing!

    If Powell is a man of principle, and that seems to be a laughable suggestion, then his principles are liberal ones.

    Has everyone forgotten Plamegate already, and Powell’s actions in it?

  11. #507476
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:54 am, brad_sk said:

    It’s Obama’s social liberalism, not his skin color, that attracts Powell most.

    Agreed Michelle…But unfortunately the comments are filled with exact opposite statements. Think many folks here are suffering from PDS…Powell Derangement Syndrome that is.

  12. #507477
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:54 am, Dimsdale said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:42 am, RetFireman said:

    The thing is, if you look around, you will not find really anyone who can give you precise reasons why they are voting for The Tarnished Bovine. The reasons they give for voting for him come straight off the web site talking points, and not specifics.

    This country has really degenerated into 10 second sound-bite parrots, and it is he with the catchiest one who will win.

    You may have heard this before, but it it worth repeating. Howard Stern sent one of his minions into the ‘hood to do a little test. He transposed Obama’s and McCain’s positions etc. and presented them to Obama supporters as Obama’s. Things like “Do you agree with Obama’s pro life position?” and “How do you feel about his decision to pick Sarah Palin as VP? Do you think it was a good choice?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM2xHggg7Uk

    The respondents all said that the views were good and the agreed wholeheartedly with them!

    So whatever Obama said or did, the brothas and sistahs will vote for him.

    I guess it is the issues, right?

    The “man in the street” has become the “dope in the street.”

  13. #507479
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:56 am, Dimsdale said:
  14. #507480
    On October 20th, 2008 at 11:57 am, Room 237 said:

    happyscrapper — my theory on Obama is that he was never the black candidate but really the liberal yuppie candidate.

    When you go back and look at it, the last time the “yuppie” demographic was in control was with JFK (yes, no one called them Yuppies back then, but they were their ancestors). Before that, you had a small town habedasherer and a small town General as president.

    After JFK you had:

    1. LBJ — who was an old time hardscrabble southern Democrat (and who got us into Vietnam)

    2. Nixon — who was a small town grocer’s son

    3. Ford — who was a rural Republcian

    4. Carter — like LBJ from a traditional southern Democratic backgtround

    5. Reagan — who took his practical small town beliefs to Washington

    6. Bush 41 — a member of teh old line Eastern GOP establishment

    7. Clinton — who promised power to the yuppies, but instead governed like a moderate Republican

    8. Bush 43 — who they hate.

    Given the demographic and economic changes in America, the liberal yuppies feel it is their time, to take back what was taken away from their parents and grandparents 45 years ago.

  15. #507487
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, Digshot said:

    Digshot, I don’t buy that racism crap anymore. It is what will be used to crush dissent here in american so shove it.

    You’re a drama queen.

    A racist drama queen.

  16. #507492
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:10 pm, sonofdy said:

    You’re a drama queen.

    A racist drama queen.

    Oh please, we have already seen it happen. You are just too blind to see it. Why do you support a budding dictator?

  17. #507503
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:20 pm, MtsEdge said:

    You don’t mean America’s chickens are coming home to roost, do you?

    Chap, I’ll ignore your snark to respond to the substance of your question. God does bring judgment to nations, although not perhaps for the reason(s) you may think. We are judged by whether we are obedient to Him, and that includes how we treat His chosen people, Israel. Now all of that may sound like religious mumbo-jumbo to an enlightened nonbeliever like yourself, but God doesn’t need backup from anyone. He is Who He is, and does what He sees fit. That includes judging nations for how they treat Him and His chosen people.

  18. #507504
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, flenser said:

    Oh, good. The clown who defends Rev Racist Wright and his “White people created AID’s” crapola is here to denounce other people as racist.

  19. #507506
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, in_awe said:

    et tu, Colin?

    Colin finally abandoned all semblance of conservativism with this endorsement. At the end of the day, all the rationalization about the post-racial racist, divisive uniter, non-leader leader, only somewhat questionable befriender fails to cover Powell’s primary reason for the endorsement: The Messiah is black.

    A fitting end point to Powell’s tarnished legacy.

  20. #507507
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, flenser said:

    We are judged by whether we are obedient to Him, and that includes how we treat His chosen people, Israel.

    That’s not Christianity. You’ll look long and in vain in the NT for an injunction to Christians to set Israel on a pedestal like this.

    I wish you people could peddle your kooky ideas elsewhere.

  21. #507508
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, chapoutier said:

    MtsEdge,

    So you have no problem with the phrase “God damn America” so long as the damning is for one of your preapproved reasons?

  22. #507509
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:26 pm, MtsEdge said:

    That’s not Christianity. You’ll look long and in vain in the NT for an injunction to Christians to set Israel on a pedestal like this.

    I wish you people could peddle your kooky ideas elsewhere.

    Flenser, there is no need to insult someone with whom you disagree.

  23. #507510
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:26 pm, Digshot said:

    Oh please, we have already seen it happen. You are just too blind to see it. Why do you support a budding dictator?

    Good lord.

  24. #507511
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, MtsEdge said:

    So you have no problem with the phrase “God (blank) America” so long as the damning is for one of your preapproved reasons?

    Chap, these aren’t “my” reasons. And yes I do have a problem with that phrase, any time it is used.

  25. #507512
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, sonofdy said:

    chapoutier:

    Went right over your head didn’t it?

    never mind…

  26. #507516
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:30 pm, sonofdy said:

    Digshot, I am serious, why are you supporting someone who shows every sign of being a budding dictator? Haven’t you read ANY history?

  27. #507520
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, flenser said:

    Flenser, there is no need to insult someone with whom you disagree.

    I was being descriptive rather than insulting. I suppose you’ll be chewing me out for calling that racist bigot Digshot a racist bigot then.

    Stop worshipping Israel and calling it Christianity.

  28. #507521
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, MtsEdge said:

    I will not ruin my country just to prove a point.

    Plymouth, I’ve been thinking that perhaps, after the election, there may be enough groundswell for a 3rd party to finally get some traction. Esp. if key conservatives get rid of the (R) behind their names and create/join a 3rd party.

  29. #507522
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:34 pm, right4life said:

    That’s not Christianity. You’ll look long and in vain in the NT for an injunction to Christians to set Israel on a pedestal like this.

    you mean like Paul wishing he was damned so his jewish brethren could be saved?

    please. you’re an anti-semite, plain and simple.

  30. #507524
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:36 pm, MtsEdge said:

    Stop worshipping Israel and calling it Christianity.

    I worship God, not a country. However, I do take Him at His Word, “I will bless them that bless thee (Israel) and curse them that curse thee”(Gen. 12:3).

    I will not and cannot support any politician who doesn’t take this seriously.

  31. #507527
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    n_awe #480 said:

    et tu, Colin?

    Radio report says BroBama is surprised but pleased by the Generals endorsement and there will be a position for him in the One’s administration.
    He Who Has Come would never lie. But remember: The Anointed is watching, He Who Is has ememies everywhere.

    Do we have to learn Russian or Arabic? Both?

  32. #507529
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, sonofdy said:

    A word you are going to hear alot over the next 4 years if the one gets in: “RACIST”. They are already planning to crush dissent, the first really big tell tale sign of a dictatorship.

  33. #507530
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, Ahh a Lion! said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, flenser said:

    We are judged by whether we are obedient to Him, and that includes how we treat His chosen people, Israel.

    That’s not Christianity. You’ll look long and in vain in the NT for an injunction to Christians to set Israel on a pedestal like this.

    I wish you people could peddle your kooky ideas elsewhere.

    Those kooky ideas are now at the heart of both of our major parties. Israel first!

  34. #507535
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, Rob said:

    Israel first!

    If Israel would just lob a few nukes into Iran, McAmnesty could maybe ride it into the White House.

  35. #507540
    On October 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, lonewolf said:

    I havent had time to read this entire thread but I want to echo some of the early posts.
    This will be the 20th Presidential election in my life time and the 15th in which I will be eligible to vote.
    I have never been polled and do not know anyone who has been polled nor do any of the many people I have asked about this know anyone who has been polled?

  36. #507567
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:07 pm, MtsEdge said:

    know anyone who has been polled?

    No.

  37. #507571
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, rightisright said:

    Let’s see what could be the reason for Colin Powells “reaching” across the aisle…oh yeah, he’s black…as are 95 % of the blacks in America that going to vote for the Zero. Don’t let it be said race had anything to do with it. Anyone surprised?
    After all that’s not nearly as bad as the 25% of the Moslem’s in London that had no problem with the subway bombings. And Birds to flock together?

  38. #507574
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:11 pm, flenser said:

    I worship God, not a country. However, I do take Him at His Word, “I will bless them that bless thee (Israel) and curse them that curse thee”(Gen. 12:3).

    It’s a peculiar “Christian” who’s not heard of Christ, the New Covenant, and that the “chosen people” are now all of mankind.

    Seems to me that you’d be better off converting to Judaism. That way you’d be free to read the OT all you want and ignore the New.

  39. #507579
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:14 pm, MtsEdge said:

    Seems to me that you’d be better off converting to Judaism. That way you’d be free to read the OT all you want and ignore the New.

    Flenser, this thread is going way off on a tangent. God has not abandoned the OT, in fact, Jesus Himself said, “I come not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.”

  40. #507581
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:16 pm, MtsEdge said:

    Pressed submit too soon…Jesus’ own people used Judaism to accuse Him of blasphemy. So your suggestion doesn’t wash. And it doesn’t negate that the Gospel was given for the “Jews first, and also for the Gentiles.”

  41. #507583
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:17 pm, right4life said:

    that the “chosen people” are now all of mankind.

    yeah for centuries the christian church has relegated the jews to having no role in God’s plan…its led to centuries of anti-semitism, and cruelty to the jewish people.

    you must be a preterist. Israel exists again, as the Lord said it would. He is not done with Israel, even if you are.

  42. #507598
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, flenser said:

    Jesus’ own people used Judaism to accuse Him of blasphemy. So your suggestion doesn’t wash.

    Explain what you mean. Why does this have to do with anything?

    the Gospel was given for the “Jews first, and also for the Gentiles.

    Jesus did preach the Gospel among the Jews first, and they are part of “all mankind”. Christianity does not elevate Jews over Christians, as certain Christian heretics claim. It does the opposite – it says that Jews are unbelievers. That is, they reject the word of God as given by His Son.

  43. #507605
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, flenser said:

    God has not abandoned the OT,

    No, but He has altered the Old Covenant. That is sort of the whole point of the coming of Christ. It’s a strange sort of Christian who needs to be told this.

  44. #507612
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:34 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:09 pm, rightisright said:

    Let’s see what could be the reason for Colin Powells “reaching” across the aisle…oh yeah, he’s black…as are 95 % of the blacks in America that going to vote for the Zero. Don’t let it be said race had anything to do with it. Anyone surprised?

    Blacks approach that number in every election. On top of that, McCain refused to appear at last year’s debate devoted to minority issues, he has no black surrogates, he never mentions poverty, and his running mate loves to call rural America “real America” (as opposed to urban America, where you-know-who live).

    Don’t think for a second that McCain would get any more of the black vote if he were running against a white candidate.

  45. #507620
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, right4life said:

    Don’t think for a second that McCain would get any more of the black vote if he were running against a white candidate.

    true, most democrats would vote for Hitler as long as he a D after his name!

  46. #507622
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, sonofdy said:

    Blacks approach that number in every election.

    Which is why I call them slaves to the DNC. They are fools to let the DNC take advantage of them like that.

    (as opposed to urban America, where you-know-who live).

    Ah the race card. Now lets hear you call me racist for opposing the budding dictator…

  47. #507624
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, flenser said:

    Blacks approach that number in every election.

    Oh, that makes it all right then.

    his running mate loves to call rural America “real America” (as opposed to urban America, where you-know-who live

    What sort of brainless bigot thinks that blacks live in the cities? A big city liberal sort of brainless bigot.

    McCain refused to appear at last year’s debate devoted to minority issues,

    Why would any candidate appear at a debate devoted to “minority issues”? California is a white minority state – are there debates held there to discuss “white issues”?

  48. #507632
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:42 pm, flenser said:

    yeah for centuries the christian church has relegated the jews to having no role in God’s plan…its led to centuries of anti-semitism, and cruelty to the jewish people.

    Do you have any other ADL talking points you’d like to get off your chest?

  49. #507634
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, Hannibal said:

    Please people, this discussion you are having about Colin Powell, Obama, and color will soon be mute. Rumor has it that Powell taped a segment for Oprah to refute these arguments for good. Reportedly, he told Oprah, “My former batman, Sidney, who now is employed as my upstairs butler has analyzed my complexion and determined that it is beige sandalwood with a hint of parchment and a caramel base. Barack’s skin has been vetted by a team of cosmetologists who are in agreement that his color is a light cream mocha with splashes of rich honey and golden autumn. So you can see, the accusation that I support Barack because we are the same color is unfounded and laughable. And that is the truth!”

  50. #507641
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:48 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    One last note: I see in comments that many believe Powell supports Obama because he is black. Powell has said electing a black president would be “electrifying.” He is a staunch supporter of government racial preferences.

    Sorry Michelle, I have to disagree. He hasn’t said that electing a Marxist (socialist/progressive or whatever) is “electrifying”. It’s race first, with Powell’s liberal social issues being the way he rationalizes it all.

  51. #507644
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:50 pm, happyscrapper said:

    I wish you people could peddle your kooky ideas elsewhere.

    FLENSER: We are expressing our beliefs and opinions here. Your intolerant remark is way off base!

  52. #507649
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:52 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Blacks approach that number in every election.

    Oh, that makes it all right then.

    Uh, the point is they’re going to vote Democrat no matter if it’s a white or black on the ticket. You know, because Democrats care about issues that blacks care about. Just like Republicans care about issues that evangelicals care about. Neither group is “fools,” they just vote according to their priorities.

  53. #507657
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, dadinseattle said:

    What is the reason for the social liberalism of Powell?
    If I’m “black first” than I’m voting for Obama.
    Period!
    To do otherwise is to deny you are black. (The blacks that are opposed to Obama must keep a very low profile.)

    Consequences to our nation be damned.

    This very attitude, by one group of folks, proves that socialism can never work.

    Never!

    In order for socialism to work 100% cooperation is needed.

    It is usually impossible to even get a consensus within your own family much less the entire world.

    Socialism supposedly does away with any reason for people to have traditional disputes due to their differences. No war,no poverty, no needs unmet!

    All current and future needs are planned out perfectly and everyone is affected equally.

    Funny how in the natural world this never occurs.

    Everywhere that socialism has been tried it has led to a long term suffering except for the ruling class and has not solved societies ills.

    Nothing in the history of man has created a more ideal society than our democratic and representative republic.

    Even with its share of ills, it is by far the most generous and morally conscious society ever built to the benefit of millions the world over.

    Colin Powell endorsing Obama is a sad commentary of the successful fanning of racial embers by black leaders that demand a segregationist mind set within their communities. They are themselves primarily responsible for the fire of racism burning today. Fifty years ago it was the whites and it was very wrong, but today it is a media and the blacks themselves who will not allow us to move past racism. That’s not to say there are not white racist still, but I believe they are very few in comparison to the past.

    If I have one iota of racial misgivings about this election it is due to this fact. If elected there is no doubt in my mind that this will not change in either Barack nor Michele Obamas mindset. Black first will be a primary filter in his decisions.

    Evidently the “Dove General” was damaged much more than we realized by his endorsement of the Iraq intervention. No longer is his first priority our country and troops.
    No, we have a man full of self doubt who has transformed completely.

    A few years ago I would have enthusiastically voted for Powell. Thank God he didn’t run, for I now know how wrong I would have been.

    Obama has a plan that will increase welfare spending by our government four fold.
    His plan will provide a disincentive for productive work. His plan will doom black Americans to more reliance on the government and set back that community by years. This country will fail before his plans could succeed.

    Colin Powell still has my respect for his past service to our country, it was commendable. This new chapter of his life though has not started out well at all. It begins with a lie. There is no substance to Barack Obama besides his 1) ability to accumulate power, 2) his rhetorical ability to inspire hope 3)his secret dedication to a particular ideal(Marxism).

    Our future as a country is now vulnerable to a degree never before experienced. The really frightening aspect of that is just as we were unaware to the danger before 11 September,2001, we are very much in the dark now.

    If this election decision selects Obama, it also ushers in the radical upheaval of our entire political system. If we allow it. This, in turn, may lead directly to the total demise of the country.

    It matters who we give power to and not because of what they look like but because of what they believe.

  54. #507658
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, rooster said:
    Why would any candidate appear at a debate devoted to “minority issues”? California is a white minority state – are there debates held there to discuss “white issues”?

    Touche’!!!

  55. #507662
    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:59 pm, right4life said:

    You know, because Democrats care about issues that blacks care about. Just like Republicans care about issues that evangelicals care about. Neither group is “fools,” they just vote according to their priorities.

    yeah thats worked so well for black people in Detroit, New Orleans, Philly, etc. hasn’t it?

    all those decades of voting for democRATs and where has it gotten them???

  56. #507663
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:00 pm, sonofdy said:

    RSS – Most of them are voting for the BLACK candidate this time round. just ask them. I actualy understand them in that, althought I don’t agree with that sort of logic. But I think they are fools to allow the DNC to control thier voting block so absolutely. They would be far more effective in getting what they want if the DNC had to EARN thier votes.

  57. #507664
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:00 pm, right4life said:

    Do you have any other ADL talking points you’d like to get off your chest?

    truth hurts doesn’t it flenser? what are you such a jew-hating wacko?

  58. #507670
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, sonofdy said:

    all those decades of voting for democRATs and where has it gotten them???

    It has gotten them almost nothing of value anyway.

  59. #507675
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:03 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, dadinseattle said:

    Regarding post #514…AMAZING post dadinseattle!! Thank you!!

  60. #507677
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, sonofdy said:

    Oh geezzz, the survival of Israel is in the intrests of the USA for political reasons not religous ones. Any religous reasons are purely personal issues. If it weren’t in our intrests politicaly, then Israel would have been gone decades ago and the liberals would be decrying the “second holacaust” we did nothing about.

  61. #507699
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:11 pm, MtsEdge said:

    Explain what you mean. Why does this have to do with anything?

    You’re familiar with the story of the Crucifixion? How the Jewish religious leaders urged Pilate to arrest Jesus b/c he was guilty of “blasphemy”? Under Roman rule, the Jews could only request death penalty for violations of their religous code.

    That is, they reject the word of God as given by His Son.

    Agreed. Generally speaking, many Jews are still looking for the Messiah.

    No, but He has altered the Old Covenant.

    Yes, there is a New Covenant in Christ’s blood, which was shed for ALL for the remission of sin. This means that no longer do we need to offer animal sacrifices to atone for our sin. Jesus has paid the price, one time for all. This doesn’t substitute for the Covenant with Abraham, wherein God said “In your seed, will all nations be blessed.”

  62. #507702
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:13 pm, Investor612 said:

    Michelle Malkin writes: I see in comments that many believe Powell supports Obama because he is black. Powell has said electing a black president would be “electrifying.” He is a staunch supporter of government racial preferences.

    “It’s a mistake, though, to attribute Powell’s endorsement primarily to some kind of race loyalty.

    It’s Obama’s social liberalism, not his skin color, that attracts Powell most.”

    Two words: Horse manure. The Powell endorsement is all about race. Hillary is just as socially liberal as Obama. You didn’t see Colin Powell rushing to endorse her.
    The Powell endorsement is a stunning act of betrayal. First, and most imporantly, it’s a betrayal of the hundreds of thousands of military vets who risked and, in 4000 plus cases, lost their lives in the policy Powell helped bring about. Now he endorses the candidate and oarty that oppsed the strategy that rescued the mission he helped create? He endorses a man who promises to back away from all that’s been accomplished at this late hour and could very well snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? He endorses the same mindset that threw away the sacrifices of Vietnam vets like himself? What could drive a man to such betrayal? Race loyalty, that’s what.

    On a personal level Powell’s betrayal reeks just as much. He and Sen. McCain have been friends and allies with a close working relationship for decades. He endorsed Sen. McCain in the 2000 Republican primary. It’s bad enough that he turned his back on his close friend and colleague, but this betrayal timed the announcement to take place at the moment when it could do his old friend the most possible harm. What could make a man engage in such treachery? Race.

    It’s understandable that black people are excited about the first black man running for president. Irish Catholics felt the same about John Kennedy. But when race becomes such an overwhelming factor it trumps principle and personal loyalty, it’s a sickness. Colin Powell just personified that perversion.

  63. #507709
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, chapoutier said:

    The Powell endorsement is all about race. Hillary is just as socially liberal as Obama. You didn’t see Colin Powell rushing to endorse her.

    Why would Powell endorse any Democratic candidate in the primary, especially since most of the reasons he claims for not endorsing McCain occurred during the general election phase( i.e., the negative tenor and selecting Palin as VP)?

  64. #507719
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, Trollman said:

    Red State Skeptic said:

    Let’s see what could be the reason for Colin Powells “reaching” across the aisle…oh yeah, he’s black…as are 95 % of the blacks in America that going to vote for the Zero. Don’t let it be said race had anything to do with it. Anyone surprised?

    Blacks approach that number in every election.

    That still doesn’t explain why 90% of the Democratic primary vote went to Obama over Hillary. I’ll wait for you to address that inconvenient fact…

  65. #507725
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:22 pm, right4life said:

    Democratic candidate in the primary, especially since most of the reasons he claims for not endorsing McCain occurred during the general election phase(

    that whole bit about blaming mccain for saying obama is a muslim is laughable!! remember the picture of his highness (pbuh) in the muslim garb? that was during the primary, and probably a little ‘present’ from hillary.

  66. #507742
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, right4life said:

    “I have some concerns about the direction that the party has taken in recent years,” he said. “It has moved more to the right than I would like to see it, but that’s a choice the party makes.”

    lets see, the prescription drug benefit, the bailout, spending through the roof….I guess I missed this rightward lurch…

  67. #507750
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, imjustsaying said:

    If we all agree that Powell’s endorsement of Obama is strictly about race, can we also agree that the only reason Clarence Thomas was picked by Bush the elder was also because of race? Intellectual integrity, anyone?

  68. #507753
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:36 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    If we all agree that Powell’s endorsement of Obama is strictly about race, can we also agree that the only reason Clarence Thomas was picked by Bush the elder was also because of race? Intellectual integrity, anyone?

    What? Mid-level government bureaucrats get appointed to the Supreme Court all the time!

  69. #507755
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:39 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    That still doesn’t explain why 90% of the Democratic primary vote went to Obama over Hillary. I’ll wait for you to address that inconvenient fact…

    Hillary actually polled much better than Obama for a long time with blacks, but when she supported Robert Johnson for making fun of what Obama was doing “in the neighborhood,” and Bill denigrated Obama’s South Carolina win as racial, they jumped ship pretty quick.

  70. #507771
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:44 pm, MtsEdge said:

    Hillary actually polled much better than Obama for a long time with blacks

    Are you sure this wasn’t the “reverse Bradley effect”?

  71. #507774
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, Trollman said:

    Jesus didn’t alter the Old Covenant, He “abolished it” in His flesh (Eph. 2:15), put it “to death” (Eph. 2:16), and nailed it “to the cross” (Col. 2:14).

    Romans 7:4 teaches that the Jewish believers died to the Law of Moses (the Old Covenant) “through the body of Christ.” That is, when they were baptized into Jesus’ death, they died with Him (Rom. 6:3-6). That is why Rom. 7:1 says one is under the law for as long as one lives. When you die, you are set free from it.

    The Jews were under the Law until faith in Christ came. But now that faith in Christ has come (the New Covenant), then we are no longer under the Law of Moses (the Old Covenant) – Gal. 3:23-29. God doesn’t care if you are physically descended from Abraham or not, it is about being a spiritual descendant of Abraham.

    To say otherwise is to flat out contradict John the Baptist’s teaching: “Do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’… the axe is already at the root of the trees.” Matt. 3:9-10

    Jews who reject Jesus are not saved. “Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven” (Matt. 10:32-33).

  72. #507777
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, emjem24 said:

    The Powell endorsement is pretty disappointing but expected at this late stage of the presidential campaign. I think there are a couple reasons why he’s endorsing Obummer. One reason is he doesn’t want to see any more conservative or Republican Supreme Court nominees. Now, why is that? Does this guy even believe in the Constitution?

    I think another reason for Powell’s endorsement is political revenge. I don’t know if anybody hit on this but Powell left in “shame” (in the eyes of the world and the media) and will never live down the Iraq War (in their view anyway). He’s ashamed of his role during the build up to the Iraq War and therefore blames both Pres. Bush and the Republicans.

    Powell’s endorsement is also indicative of his political inclinations. He’s dismissive of conservatives, especially conservatives/Republicans in the military. Though Powell was once a great general, he is a lousy statesman. He possesses no core convictions except when it’s politically expedient or convenient to jump on the new political phenom’s bandwagon.

    Again, Powell’s endorsement is disappointing but not surprising. He’s always been dismissive, as have many liberal, RINO, and country club Republicans of conservatives. He’s part of the establishment Republicans that have turned the party into the joke it is now. The problem isn’t that the Republican Party isn’t narrowly focused, it’s that it’s parted with its core values and become too accommodating to the whims of Dems.

    If Powell is uncomfortable with his Republican affiliation he is welcome to leave. He is not a man of principle but rather an opportunist. That’s what happens to those who sometimes enter politics from the military ranks and forget who they are and where they come from.

    There are far stronger men of principle leading the military today. We need that kind of approach rather than the short-sighted, political bandwagon jumping of Powell.

  73. #507779
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:49 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    If we all agree that Powell’s endorsement of Obama is strictly about race, can we also agree that the only reason Clarence Thomas was picked by Bush the elder was also because of race? Intellectual integrity, anyone?

    Sure, if Bush picked Thomas because he and Bush are both white.

  74. #507781
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:51 pm, Trollman said:

    Red State Skeptic said:

    Hillary actually polled much better than Obama for a long time with blacks, but when she supported Robert Johnson for making fun of what Obama was doing “in the neighborhood,” and Bill denigrated Obama’s South Carolina win as racial, they jumped ship pretty quick.

    What happened was, Hillary had (relative to her later numbers) better numbers among black voters until they realized that Obama had a chance. Then BOOM! You see them voting for him over Hillary, the wife of the “first black president”, in the same kind of overwhelming percentages that we see now. Those numbers aren’t random or coincidence.

  75. #507787
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:56 pm, chapoutier said:

    If Powell is uncomfortable with his Republican affiliation he is welcome to leave. He is not a man of principle but rather an opportunist.

    emjem may be on to something here. Just like teams trade players, parties should trade members.

    We will offer you Lieberman and a DINO to be named later in exchange for Powell and cash consideration (believe me, your guy needs it).

  76. #507790
    On October 20th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, Flyoverman said:

    The dirty little secret is Joe the Plumber has had 100 times the effect of Colin Powell.

    The lesson of Joe the Plumber that all can see is dare ask a question of the Annoited One and even if the result is the Annoited One making the equivalent of an unforced error, what is the result?

    The Obama campaign, the Democrat party and the MSM put Joe the Plumber under a microscope. They dig up his past, tax liens, etc. etc. when the issue was not the question, but the response.

    That response tells you all you need to know about the Liberal Left, the MSM, and what elites like Powell think of people like Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin.

    Nothing could be clearer.

  77. #507796
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, Trollman said:

    imjustsaying said:

    If we all agree that Powell’s endorsement of Obama is strictly about race, can we also agree that the only reason Clarence Thomas was picked by Bush the elder was also because of race? Intellectual integrity, anyone?

    That doesn’t follow. Obviously, Bush “had” to pick a black nominee to take the place of another black Justice. That still doesn’t mean he had to pick Clarence Thomas. Bush could have selected any black judge. Presumably, Bush picked Thomas because he believed Thomas was the best black candidate for the job.

    Powell, on the other hand, is not under tremendous pressure to pick a black candidate. Nice try though…

  78. #507804
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, Room 237 said:

    My theory on Obama is that he was never the black candidate but really the liberal yuppie candidate.

    When you go back and look at it, the last time the “yuppie” demographic was in control was with JFK (yes, no one called them yuppies back then, but they were their ancestors). Before that, you had a small town habedasherer and a small town General as president.

    After JFK you had:

    1. LBJ — who was an old time hardscrabble southern Democrat (and who got us into Vietnam)

    2. Nixon — who was a small town grocer’s son

    3. Ford — who was a rural Republcian

    4. Carter — like LBJ from a traditional southern Democratic backgtround (and who in some ways ran right in 1976)

    5. Reagan — who took his practical small town beliefs to Washington

    6. Bush 41 — a member of the old line Eastern GOP establishment

    7. Clinton — who promised power to the yuppies, but instead governed like a moderate Republican

    8. Bush 43 — who they hate.

    Given the demographic and economic changes in America, the liberal yuppies feel it is their time, to take back what was taken away from their parents and grandparents 45 years ago.

  79. #507816
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    What happened was, Hillary had (relative to her later numbers) better numbers among black voters until they realized that Obama had a chance.

    Speaking as someone who actually knows black people, you’re wrong. My friends loved Hillary and took a long time to warm to Barack, but the once Hillary and Co. pulled the shennanigans in South Carolina, it was all over for them.

  80. #507826
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:20 pm, sonofdy said:

    Speaking as someone who actually knows black people

    Why do liberals always assume I don’t know black people?

    What a stupid assumption.

  81. #507827
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:21 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    That doesn’t follow. Obviously, Bush “had” to pick a black nominee to take the place of another black Justice. That still doesn’t mean he had to pick Clarence Thomas. Bush could have selected any black judge. Presumably, Bush picked Thomas because he believed Thomas was the best black candidate for the job.

    To put it another way, Bush “had” to pick a black conservative judge. Not many to choose from there.

    In fairness, he was at least as qualified as Sandra Day O’Connor, who was a state appellate judge, not exactly blue chip material, had no judicial philosophy to speak of, and left more questions than answers in her decades on the court. They were both “token” picks, but Thomas — in this liberal’s opinion — has been far more distinguished, consistent and thoughtful justice. He is often called Scalia’s sidekick, but he is actually more consistent and rational in his philosophy than Scalia, who loves his “originalist” label, but really decides from the gut and legislates from the bench as much as any justice.

  82. #507832
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, Trollman said:

    Red State Skeptic said:

    What happened was, Hillary had (relative to her later numbers) better numbers among black voters until they realized that Obama had a chance.

    Speaking as someone who actually knows black people, you’re wrong.

    Actually, you just reaffirmed my point that you don’t know what you are talking about. You don’t know me or the people I know. And I know you are wrong. Not such a good try this time, “my friend.”

  83. #507833
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:24 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    We will offer you Lieberman and a DINO to be named later in exchange for Powell and cash consideration (believe me, your guy needs it).

    Done. Though our guy is within his Public Financing limit I believe – how’s your guy doing with his Public Financing promise?

  84. #507836
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:26 pm, Trollman said:

    Red State Skeptic said:

    To put it another way, Bush “had” to pick a black conservative judge. Not many to choose from there.

    Bush wasn’t forced to pick a conservative judge, he thought it was better to pick a conservative judge. Conservative judges, unlike liberal, activist judges, understand their constitutional role to interpret the law, not legislate the law.

  85. #507837
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:27 pm, chapoutier said:

    Done. Though our guy is within his Public Financing limit I believe – how’s your guy doing with his Public Financing promise?

    We can give the cash to his compliance fund, if you so wish.

    And Obama broke that promise, no ifs ands or buts. I should feel ashamed about this, but obviously can’t since I am both a stinking liberal and a heartless lawyer.

  86. #507840
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:31 pm, sonofdy said:

    And Obama broke that promise, no ifs ands or buts. I should feel ashamed about this, but obviously can’t since I am both a stinking liberal and a heartless lawyer.

    It Proves Obama can not be trusted to stick to his word. He is a liar.

  87. #507842
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:31 pm, MtsEdge said:

    And Obama broke that promise, no ifs ands or buts. I should feel ashamed about this

    “Ashamed” isn’t the word I would choose. Obama should be ashamed, but I have a feeling he doesn’t know what that word means. As for all Americans to whom lying by politicians has become so prevalent, we should be ANGRY.

  88. #507843
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:31 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Conservative judges, unlike liberal, activist judges, understand their constitutional role to interpret the law, not legislate the law.

    No way. The conservatives on the bench legislate when they decide that state and local bodies can’t decide for themselves to have race-based quotas in education, can’t decide for themselves to have gun control, and can’t decide for themselves to allow medical marijuana. If that’s not being “activist” judges, I don’t know what is.

  89. #507848
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, Dedlock said:

    Powell always was a RINO and consistently undermined Bush. He’s just another liberal/moderate bureaucrat, one of thousands who have infested our government since the days of FDR. So his last-minute “conversion” to promote the Messiah is not exactly a thumping shock.

    BTW, if the young man-child does ascend his throne, and fires all 93 federal attorneys, does anyone think even a tiny ripple will mar the mirror surface of the Obama presidency?

    Fat freakin’ chance.

  90. #507861
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:44 pm, right4life said:

    The conservatives on the bench legislate when they decide that state and local bodies can’t decide for themselves to have race-based quotas in education, can’t decide for themselves to have gun control, and can’t decide for themselves to allow medical marijuana. If that’s not being “activist” judges, I don’t know what is.

    conservatives don’t make things up out of thin air, like the ‘right’ to kill babies.

    following the constitution is ‘activist’ but making up your own constitution is OK…uh huh!

  91. #507862
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:45 pm, right4life said:

    I am both a stinking liberal and a heartless lawyer.

    you must be the devil himself.

  92. #507865
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, right4life said:

    Speaking as someone who actually knows black people

    liberals ALWAYS say this…its so condescending…try marrying one, and then we’ll talk.

  93. #507868
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:49 pm, emjem24 said:

    chapoutier said:

    If Powell is uncomfortable with his Republican affiliation he is welcome to leave. He is not a man of principle but rather an opportunist.

    emjem may be on to something here. Just like teams trade players, parties should trade members.

    We will offer you Lieberman and a DINO to be named later in exchange for Powell and cash consideration (believe me, your guy needs it).

    Are you actually going to address my comment or just mock it like you always do?

    When did Powell ever stand up to the Republican party? When? Now, compare Powell to Lieberman whose party now can’t tolerate him for standing up to them regarding the Iraq War and foreign policy and treats him like a pariah. Did that happen to Powell?

    It doesn’t speak well for the future of public financing when Obummer raises cash he can’t even distinguish which money is legit and which isn’t coming into his coffers. That’s for after the election to figure out.

    Why does Obummer need so much cash? How is this a fair fight when one candidate takes public financing and the other candidate breaks his word and doesn’t?

    Does the word honor and integrity mean anything in your world? Or do Dems trot those words out when they’re defaming the military and conservatives in general?

    Thanks for not addressing anything I say. It really means a lot. :roll:

  94. #507878
    On October 20th, 2008 at 3:55 pm, chapoutier said:

    Are you actually going to address my comment or just mock it like you always do?

    I have no interest in addressing the substance of your comment, or the substance of this thread in general, nor was I mocking your comment. It was a launch pad for a freakin’ joke, little miss touchy.

    But hey, the Bills won. Can’t we just get along?

  95. #507897
    On October 20th, 2008 at 4:13 pm, Rob said:

    Speaking as someone who actually knows black people

    I had a black friend once, I thought he was a pretty good guy. He married a white women, had a baby, cheated on her, she divorced him, and I dumped him as a friend.

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