What happened when they “spread the wealth” in Zimbabwe

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 20, 2008 08:43 AM

The Raleigh News and Observer profiles a couple from Zimbabwe that was forced to escape their native country when the thug-o-crats decided to “spread the wealth around.”

Sitting at the kitchen table in the couple’s apartment in Ayden, Helen remembers vividly what happened next. Two Mazda pickups, bristling with armed police, were waiting for her. Their leader snatched the gate’s keys from the employee and turned to Helen.

“This is no longer your property. You have 24 hours to get out,” he told her. If you don’t, “we’ll kill you or put you in jail, whichever you prefer.”

It was not an idle threat. In 2000, war veterans killed a neighbor after he refused to leave his farm.

The Herbsts prided themselves on the relationships they formed with their black employees, many of whom worked with the family for years. The couple had provided a pre-school on the property for workers’ children, and a free health clinic where mothers could take their babies. Wally had hoped that his family’s longstanding ties to the area would spare his farm from seizure.

Frantic packing

In the end, it did not matter. With the help of neighbors and friends and their vehicles, the Herbsts were forced to pack up as much as they could. Police pilfered from the trucks as the woman who would be moving into their home gave demands.

The Herbsts were barred from removing anything needed to run the farm, including tractors. The farm would be turned over to a local politician, and his wife wanted some things inside the home as well.

This irritated Helen, who picked up a pottery vase her daughter Pam had made in school.

“I said, ‘Do you want this?’ and she said ‘yes.’ I drew my hand back, and I turned around and smashed it on the floor.”

She laughs about it now, but Wally and Helen haven’t been back home since. Pam, who lives less than 70 miles from the farm, hasn’t returned, either. “To be honest, I don’t know if I’d want to go back,” she says on the phone from her home in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe. “I’d rather have these pictures in my mind of how it looked when I left.”

The Herbsts’ son, John, returned soon after to tend to the cattle, only to be kidnapped and held for ransom at the farm.

The kidnappers had gained access to the Herbsts’ bank records. They demanded exactly what the family had on deposit. Helen doesn’t remember the precise figure, but it was millions of Zimbabwe dollars. It took Helen five trips with a suitcase to fill the back seat of her car with enough money to free their son.

Although she can retell almost the entire story without becoming emotional, Helen tears up when speaking of her three children, two of whom live in Zimbabwe. She is not sure when she will see them, or her grandchild, again, but Helen and Wally needed to leave.

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  1. #1
    On October 20th, 2008 at 8:47 am, magicarb said:

    “Spread the wealth” = Assume the position.

  2. #2
    On October 20th, 2008 at 8:48 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Eminent Domain! Coming soon to a place near you!

  3. #3
    On October 20th, 2008 at 8:49 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    Spread the wealth misery around.

  4. #4
    On October 20th, 2008 at 8:51 am, JHSII said:

    Hope and Change.

  5. #5
    On October 20th, 2008 at 8:53 am, Big V said:

    I see this stuff going and and I listen to the rabid Facade Obama supporters and I ask myself… “Has this country lost its mind?”

    I was in a Publix over the weekend and there was a black woman in front of me in the check out line. She had one of the ‘Change is coming!” with a picture of Facade on it. She turned and saw me looking at it and hones to God she said: “Get used to it white boy, the days of people like you are over. We are in charge now!” I fear she may be right.

  6. #6
    On October 20th, 2008 at 8:54 am, recovering liberal said:

    In 1959, we all thought JFK should be president. He was so young, so much better-looking than Richard Nixon, and he had a beautiful wife. We didn’t know anything about where he stood politically, but that didn’t matter. He looked like he’d be a great president. Oh, and we were in junior high. Apparently that ignoramus spirit lives on in my fellow Americans, but this time a lot of them are old enough to vote, God help us.

  7. #7
    On October 20th, 2008 at 8:55 am, JHSII said:

    Oops, forgot the link!!

    Hope and Change.

  8. #8
    On October 20th, 2008 at 8:55 am, Mister P said:

    And we have Perez spreading the wealth around also. The idea is to centralize power and grab it. How stupid can the Obama supporters be if they don’t get that. But the HERD is a fickle lot with no commitment. They we desert the Messiah when he fails to perform a miracle.

  9. #9
    On October 20th, 2008 at 8:56 am, rooster said:

    Reparations ring a bell?
    Barry was only 8 when Ayers was bombing government buildings, “The one” says its irrelevant. I wasn’t born when slavery was practiced in the United States, so why am I still being punished for something that I had nothing to do with?

  10. #10
    On October 20th, 2008 at 8:57 am, Bud Fox said:

    Political discourse with a machete is all they’re good at. You don’t do what they want you get a machete chop. Can we expect the same in the US someday. Sure you can.

  11. #11
    On October 20th, 2008 at 8:58 am, Mister P said:

    He was so young, so much better-looking than Richard Nixon …

    But Nixon was a crook ;-)

    Would JFK have won if he didn’t benefit from the Chicago political machine? And we all know what happened to them when he betrayed them.

  12. #12
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:00 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 8:53 am, Big V said:

    Thank you, Democrats! You’ve successfully kept these people in not only their poverty but ignorance as well.

  13. #13
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:02 am, sausage said:

    Sorry Michelle, but this post is utterly ridiculous. The fact you trying to equate the utterly thuggish regime of Robert Mugabe with the future Obama administration is laughable and quite frankly sick.

    Desperation, huh?

  14. #14
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:04 am, Truesoldier said:

    We have the bailouts which include the government wanting in on the banking system.

    We have the Supreme Court Kelo decision that allows the government to snatch land easier

    We have ACORN and others dilluting the legitamcy of our Democratic Vote

    We have the media telling us how to think about the one and his opponents (poor Joe the plumber)

    We have Obama’s campaign machine stifling Free Speech

    And now the one wants to spread the wealth…

    All we are missingis a sign saying:

    Welcome to the United Socialist States of America

  15. #15
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:05 am, lgm said:

    Obama = Mugabe

    MM can win the Rove slime award for “interesting” associations (but surely not racist).

    For McCain’s analogue among African Bad Guys, I nominate Mobutu, a darling of the right who brought stability to his region.

  16. #16
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:05 am, sandyb said:

    With Obummer’s blinding insight to Joe the Plumber: I don’t want to tax you, I just want to help those coming up behind you, Oprah ought to have lines miles around her houses to help out “all those behind her.”

    Will the Obamunists wonder why it’s just their wealth that’s finally redistributed and not Odopey’s or Bela Pelosi’s or Harry Reid’s or Ted Kennedy’s? You don’t expect Mike to give up that Iranian caviar, lobster and champagne habit she’s developed, can you?

    Too bad the sheeple don’t know that when Barack talks about raising income taxes, none of that applies to the fat cats. They don’t live off paychecks. They’ve got their finances structured so they live off the interest of their investments.</em> Guess there’ll be nobody “behind them.”

  17. #17
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:05 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:02 am, sausage said:

    Civilian National security force. Have you considered why one would be necessary? If yes, I’d love to hear your rationalization.

  18. #18
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:06 am, Netfest said:

    I always use to say, and I hear the same refrain when moderates and conservatives lament the lack of history on the part of liberals to the abuses of their positions. But, I’m not so sure anymore that it’s a lack of understanding about what is to come. What I fear now is that they completely understand and welcome this sort of change. I mean, how else can you explain Sean Penn’s trip to Venezuela to see Chavez again? You have to believe he knows what Chavez has been doing to the people of his country.

  19. #19
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:06 am, Bud Fox said:

    Big V said:

    And I bet you stood there like a dummy… Get in her face and take her to task.

  20. #20
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:06 am, Harris said:

    Applying logic to illogical people is in itself illogical.

    However, the best analysis I can develop of the True Believers is that they only look up the ladder, and never down. They seem to be under the impression that they will be receiving the blessings of The Anointed One without ever grasping the fact that they will be financing these blessings themselves.

    It’s not that they don’t know that he is a Socialist. They are very clear on that. What is truly scary is that they approve of His socialist agenda. I know America is strong, but I don’t think it can survive an Obama presidency.

    Oh, and if you see anyone who makes more money than you wearing an Obama shirt or if they openly support Him, it’s acceptable to rob them; spread the wealth around. Right?

  21. #21
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:06 am, rooster said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:02 am, sausage said:
    Sorry Michelle, but this post is utterly ridiculous. The fact you trying to equate the utterly thuggish regime of Robert Mugabe with the future Obama administration

    Look no further than odumbo’s cousin Odinga of kenya to understand the ideology that is a part of odumbo’s values…you libtard!

  22. #22
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:07 am, Dimsdale said:

    How is Obama’s brother making out with that Obama “wealth spreading?”

  23. #23
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:08 am, Truesoldier said:

    Ok sausage how about we go with this connection instead seeing that the one actually backed this guy in an election.

  24. #24
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:08 am, Bud Fox said:

    lgm said

    If Hitler ran as a Democrat you’d vote for him lgm. Go work on a LaPlace transform and shove it in your arse.

  25. #25
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:11 am, jangar said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:02 am, sausage said:

    Desperation, huh?

    There will come a day when YOU are more desperate than we are.

  26. #26
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:12 am, JohnnyNJ said:

    Communism is coming to a theater near you. Catch this first run movie starting in January. No candy or buttered popcorn will be served.

    Check the history of the USSR to get a preview of this epic film. The POTUS, congress and all of the Hollyweird elites will be starring.

    There will be no admission charge to see this film, it will be free.

  27. #27
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:12 am, Dimsdale said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:05 am, lgm said:

    Obama = Mugabe

    Actually, Obama = Carter.

    And when McCain goes to Africa and supports Mugabe, you might have a point.

    Tell it to those brave Georgians who shouted McCain’s name, because he supported them, and didn’t think surfing was a priority as the tanks rolled in.

  28. #28
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:12 am, right4life said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:02 am, sausage said:
    Sorry Michelle, but this post is utterly ridiculous.

    no its not jacka.. I know some zimbabweans intimately and they see the same things that happened there, happening here…

    Mugabe was another hero of the liberals, oh yeah I remember it oh so well..he was the ‘savior’ of rhodesia/zimbabwe…and now I will never walk under the jacarandas in bloom again.

    scum like you belong in a socialist paradise like that.

  29. #29
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:13 am, md1964 said:

    Obama’s plan is to supress the “Cream From Rising to the top”. (AKA those who have the desire and energy to acheive more than just be a follower).

    Thus… Obam’s world is a two class society. Elites like him, Pelosi, the Kennedy’s, and Soros’….then everyone else just mindless followers with zero chance for success…because success must be suppressed and punished.

    Living Hand to Mouth from the Government is NOT prosperity.

  30. #30
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:14 am, sonofdy said:

    sausage and LGM, I would say its a real example of what can happen when you “spread the wealth arround”. How do you feel supporting a presdident who is BANKING on fraud to win? Obama the fraud.

  31. #31
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:17 am, MarcoPolo said:

    You don’t have to look any farther than public housing, or heck – even the current housing market to see what happens when you hand people wealth they didn’t earn.

    I wonder if there were gun control measures in effect in Zimbabwe? Because if the socialists came for my house, a few of them would be leaving with me, in the only way I would.

    Tell that thug in the grocery store to bring it on.

  32. #32
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:17 am, sonofdy said:

    “Get used to it white boy, the days of people like you are over. We are in charge now!” I fear she may be right.

    This racism is what sausage and lgm support. The Obama campaign is based on rasicm, hate, and lies. I don’t really think Obama is even that smart.

  33. #33
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:18 am, jangar said:

    At some point these Obamazombies are going to wish they had never fallen for him…mark my word!

  34. #34
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:18 am, right4life said:

    I wonder if there were gun control measures in effect in Zimbabwe?

    YES there are, of course.

  35. #35
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:19 am, conservativesRus said:

    I used to think Obama was math challenged – you can’t give a tax cut to 95%, increase spending dramatcially and raise it on only 5% and have it work out. But then I realized I was deficient in the definition of “CUT”. Obama will raise taxes on EVERYBODY who pays taxes – He’ll raise it dramatically on “the rich” and SAY to the rest “well since I increased the tax on the richest 20% and you only 10%, you received a tax cut”. It’s Washington speak.

  36. #36
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:19 am, right4life said:

    At some point these Obamazombies are going to wish they had never fallen for him…mark my word!

    unfortunately, they won’t. things are beyond politics now…this enters the realm of spiritual darkness…downright evil…

  37. #37
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:20 am, Harris said:

    sausage and lgm,

    So you won’t have a problem with me helping you become a little more ‘patriotic’ by relieving you of some of that expendable income you have? I mean, really, you have so much, and I have so little. It’s only fair.

  38. #38
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:21 am, conservativesRus said:

    Oh – Sausage #13 – please tell me how income/wealth redistribution is different than what Mugabe does.
    I just want to clarify – I earned it, I saved it, I have it now…and you come take it. Exactly how is that different?

  39. #39
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:23 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:19 am, right4life said:
    At some point these Obamazombies are going to wish they had never fallen for him…mark my word!
    unfortunately, they won’t. things are beyond politics now…this enters the realm of spiritual darkness…downright evil…

    Spot on.

  40. #40
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:24 am, jangar said:

    unfortunately, they won’t. things are beyond politics now…this enters the realm of spiritual darkness…downright evil…

    Right on schedule, don’t you think?

  41. #41
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:24 am, Harris said:

    No Rus,

    Stop thinking you will have to give more. sausage and lgm will lead by example and give us what they have left over after bills and necessities. As they said, it’s how it should be.

    I do admire their generosity.

    Thanks guys, I can’t wait until we meet!

  42. #42
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:24 am, right4life said:

    there are a few zimbabweans I know that still support zimbabwe…saying its only fair interestingly though they do not live in Zimbabwe…they have left for better opportunity in the west…

  43. #43
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:25 am, right4life said:

    Right on schedule, don’t you think?

    just in time for the Mahdi to raise his wounded head… ;-)

  44. #44
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:25 am, Flyoverman said:

    I think you are all giving Obama way too much credit. Remember if (BIG “if”) he gets in office, he will have to perform. No evidence he has ever done that in his life.

    I think his execution is going to be dismal. He may end up with his current supporters disliking him more than we do.

    He’s really promised the world. The expectation bar for the Hope and Change crowd is WAY up there. Any bets he can produce? I think not. He’s a loser.

  45. #45
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:27 am, JHSII said:

    Zimbabwe Gun Control.

    Of course, even without Gun Control when the Army comes in and you face down real assault rifles you will still probably lose – sounds like what the ObamaMessiahs Civilian National Security Force is for. Of course, we would put up one h*ll of a fight – and we would have the real Military on our side!!

  46. #46
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:27 am, sonofdy said:

    Well what Obama will probably do is remove the bush tax cuts, then reduce from there. It will mean of course that we all end up paying more, but with the fairness doctrine back in place, we can’t even talk about it (and if you don’t think it will not apply here, then I have a little red book for you)

  47. #47
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:28 am, Harris said:

    Flyoverman,

    Remember, though, perhaps the largest aspect of being Prez is that He will only have to write his signature. Even He can do that, I’m sure, and it will be on whatever monstrosities the Democrap House and Senate send him.

  48. #48
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:28 am, Big V said:

    Did I stand there like a dummy or did I say anything? I ain’t stupid. The store in the south east section of Tampa I was in is about 85% black. I only go there when I am really REALLY in a hurry. I believe in the good fight but not when I am outnumbered 150 to 1.

  49. #49
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:29 am, granite said:

    All:

    Are the socialists going to redistribute income?

    Or, are they going to spread the wealth around?

    Two different beasts, if I am correct.

    My bet is that they are going to redistribute income.
    That way, chumps like us will never have an opportunity to get to where the rich socialist elites are.

    I seriously doubt that the socialists are going to spread the wealth around.

    The government taxes income primarily; not wealth – with the exception of vehicle (“personal property”) excise taxes/”registration”; real estate “property” taxes; and inheritance “death” taxes.

    Gee, I wonder why so many socialists are lawyers…and why so many lawyers support the socialists.
    Could it have anything to do with the jobs program that exists because of the arcane tax code/system, and the complex tax avoidance schemes that lawyers contrive to protect the elites’ wealth?
    Naah!

    Do you seriously think for a moment that socialist elites like Pelosi, Kennedy, Soros, Lewis, the Sandlers, Kerry, Edwards, Gore, the Clintons, et al, are going to allow their wealth to be taken from them?

    Yeah, right!

  50. #50
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:29 am, sonofdy said:

    #45 SSG sonofdy on a conservative arrest raid.

    Well gee sir, I didn’t see anyone there. No I didn’t see anyone driving away. No sir, not sure what happened nudge nudge wink wink…

  51. #51
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:29 am, sonofdy said:

    I believe in the good fight but not when I am outnumbered 150 to 1.

    Smart man.

  52. #52
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:31 am, josetheguerilla said:

    Redistribution of wealth huh? Sounds like thug enforced socialism.

    OT—–Happy Birthday MM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    /s/

    José

    P.S. You still look 22!!!! Hawt.

  53. #53
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:31 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    With all these Spread the Wealth revolutions much of the wealth building class fled. If we fall their will be no safe haven; the revolution will have entered the state of Eternal Revolution-The Liberal Dream for generations. But for the moment we need to worry: how many of the Zimbabwe refugees and Lost Boys from other parts of Africa are bringing the revolution, and Islam, with them? We are being played.


    ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS
    Should be a convenience store
    NOT a Government Agency

  54. #54
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:31 am, MarcoPolo said:

    But then I realized I was deficient in the definition of “CUT”. Obama will raise taxes on EVERYBODY who pays taxes – He’ll raise it dramatically on “the rich” and SAY to the rest “well since I increased the tax on the richest 20% and you only 10%, you received a tax cut”. It’s Washington speak.

    It is indeed. While his tax plan would probably give folks like us a bit more in our take home, he also plans to rescind the Bush tax cuts, and his projections do not address that.

    While the second round of tax cuts actually did stimulate the economy, they were on dividends and capital gains, and therefore didn’t impact people’s paychecks.

    The first round of tax cuts were indeed spread out over all income levels, rich and poor alike, and rescinding them will amount to a tax increase on all of us.

  55. #55
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:34 am, right4life said:

    how many of the Zimbabwe refugees and Lost Boys from other parts of Africa are bringing the revolution, and Islam, with them?

    most zimbabweans are NOT muslim. I’m sure there are a few, but I have not met them, either here, or when I was there…

    you’d be amazed at how western, christian, and conservative many of them are…having lived through the socialist revolution, they see the lies of the liberals for what they are….

  56. #56
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:35 am, Harris said:

    Where did sausage and lgm go?

    I was hoping they could inform me on a location we could meet at to ‘spread the[ir] wealth around’.

  57. #57
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:37 am, jangar said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:25 am, right4life said:
    Right on schedule, don’t you think?
    just in time for the Mahdi to raise his wounded head…

    Obama would be just the type to make alliance with such a One, He’s already in the tank for whatever comes out of Europe or the Middle East.

  58. #58
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:37 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:29 am, granite said:

    I didn’t drink the kool-aid I know precistly what he means!

    I do not like them in a box.
    I do not like them with a fox.
    I do not like them in a house.
    I do not like them with a mouse.
    I do not like them here or there.
    I do not like them anywhere.
    I do not like what he has planned.
    I do not like them, Screwed-I-am.

  59. #59
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:38 am, iamsaved said:

    Daniel 4:17: his matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

    God places rulers over a people and he removes them. They can either be a blessing or a judgement.

    If he wins, unless Obama has a Damascus Road experience as the Apostle Paul did, I fear his coronation will be a judgement against this country. The United States has done its best to remove God from every aspect of the lives of its people.

    God is in control. Maranatha!

  60. #60
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:39 am, right4life said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:37 am, jangar said:

    very true…I find it interesting that Farrakhan thinks Obama is the messiah. I wonder what ahmadinajad will make of obama?

  61. #61
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:39 am, sonofdy said:

    Are the socialists going to redistribute income?

    Or, are they going to spread the wealth around?

    Two different beasts, if I am correct.

    Income is wealth.

  62. #62
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:39 am, frontierguy said:

    BHO’s spread the wealth around certainly extends to Africa. Africa will be more than happy to share the US’s wealth.

  63. #63
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:40 am, hatfield said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:35 am, Harris said:
    Where did sausage and lgm go?

    I was hoping they could inform me on a location we could meet at to ’spread the[ir] wealth around’

    They are cowards, keyboard warriors.

  64. #64
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:40 am, lgm said:

    Bud Fox said:

    If Hitler ran as a Democrat you’d vote for him.

    Hitler was a conservative. He campaigned on patriotism and the military, on saving Germany from Communism, and against that religion of hate.

    Go work on a LaPlace transform.

    It’s Laplace.

    conservativesRus said (#38):

    please tell me how income/wealth redistribution is different than what Mugabe does.

    Respect for the rule of law, the outcomes of elections, and the rights of individuals. Mugabe is a tyrant. Obama is a democrat (believer in democracy).

    Clue: Democracies also have taxes. Ours has graduated income tax, which means that the rich pay a higher percentage than the poor. That’s not Obama’s evil invention, it’s an American tradition.

  65. #65
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:40 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:35 am, Harris said:
    Where did sausage and lgm go?

    I was hoping they could inform me on a location we could meet at to ’spread the[ir] wealth around’.

    We’ve bump heads from time to time but you’re onto something here. Good stuff.

  66. #66
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:41 am, right4life said:

    Hitler was a conservative

    Hitler was a socialist…ran a little party called the national SOCIALIST german workers party…duhhhhhh

  67. #67
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:41 am, jangar said:

    you’d be amazed at how western, christian, and conservative many of them are…having lived through the socialist revolution, they see the lies of the liberals for what they are….

    It’s my understanding that at one historical point the continent of Africa was predominantly Christian, before Islam took it over in an attempt to obliterate all-things-Christian.

  68. #68
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:43 am, radio relay said:

    Funny how all the “spread the wealth around” boys and girls already have their wealth stashed away in places nobody can find it. Soros, Buffet, Gates, Hollywood moguls and stars, etc. etc…. all of them want to spread my wealth around, not theirs!

    Obama = Mugabe There is no doubt!

  69. #69
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:45 am, WarEagle82 said:

    Happy Birthday! Happy Birthday!

    Today is Michelle’s birthday. Thanks for all that you do and the way you do it. And thanks for being sooooo maganda while you do it!!!

    America would be a lesser place without you.

  70. #70
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:45 am, right4life said:

    It’s my understanding that at one historical point the continent of Africa was predominantly Christian, before Islam took it over in an attempt to obliterate all-things-Christian.

    its gone back and forth…Christianity used to dominate..until islam came along with the sword, and conquored northern africa, killing many christians, and obliterating christianity. but in places like Nigeria, that used to be a majority muslim, now christians have been making huge gains…..

    Similar scenes unfold every day in countless venues throughout sub-Saharan Africa, where prosperity-tinged Pentecostalism is growing faster not just than other strands of Christianity, but than all religious groups, including Islam. Of Africa’s 890 million people, 147 million are now “renewalists” (a term that includes both Pentecostals and charismatics), according to a 2006 Pew Forum on Religion and Public life study. They make up more than a fourth of Nigeria’s population, more than a third of South Africa’s, and a whopping 56 percent of Kenya’s.

    christianity is winning!


    link

  71. #71
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:46 am, et said:

    If you notice Obama is not about to share his wealth with McCain. So his whole campaign boils down to do as I say not as I do.

    Happy Birthday Michelle. I hope you enjoy this the 22nd anniversary of your sweet 16th Birthday.

  72. #72
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:46 am, wighttrasch said:

    Oh yes; the liberals in America pushing their agenda in Africa, then running away when they get their way. Ian Smith handed over that country in 1978!
    That’s 30 years of rot! Rhodesia was surrounded by marxist despots then, and now it has fallen into decay. Where are Kissinger & Carter?

    No more citrus orchards, no more apple orchards, no tobacco farms, no cattle, horses, beekeepers, coffee & tea fields. No tending of the native wildlife (elephant, zebra, lion, leopard, rhino, buffalo, giraffe).

    The point of ‘weatlth redistribution’ is not lost on South Africans, nor me as an American.

    But for the will of God….

  73. #73
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:46 am, englishqueen01 said:

    lgm:

    Michelle’s talking about ideologies – not comparing individuals.

    “Spreading the wealth around” has been tried, in various nations, for a long time. Guess what? Everywhere, it resulted in widespread misery and poverty. And the two biggest ideologies about “spreading the wealth” – communism and socialism – are responsible for the deaths of millions of folks in the 20th century. No, scratch that, hundreds of millions.

    And – in modern-day China – the communist government is still killing/jailing dissidents, forcibly aborting and/or sterilizing its people, and giving up safety for the sake of mass production (see the recent melamine crisis).

    That’s the problem.

    So, when I drive around the neighborhoods, I look at the houses with “Obama/Biden” signs out front. I – who live in a simple apartment – am steaking out the new digs I’ll take when Obama “redistributes” the wealth of others my way.

    What’s your house look like? Wanna share? What’s in your bank account? I’ll take half, thankyouverymuch. It is – after all – patriotic and “good” for the nation, right?

  74. #74
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:49 am, DarleenClick said:

    I notice the legend in his own mind Oliver Willis has linked to this article declaring it “racist”. Now merely pointing out the logical extremes of socialism is “racist”.

    If Obama were not a socialist out of his own mouth, why would this article bother the leftoid, eh?

  75. #75
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:50 am, Harris said:

    Didn’t Mugabe run on the whole ‘change’ mantra, too? This was back in the 80s. It took him a few years to realize his socialist utopia.

    Didn’t Hitler promise everyone a job?
    Didn’t Hitler know the importance of disarming the populace?
    Wasn’t Hitler an anti-capitalist?
    Didn’t Hitler promote universal healthcare?
    Didn’t Hitler speak of getting Germany ‘back on track’, so to speak?
    Weren’t ordinary people who criticized Hitler crushed by the media?
    Didn’t Hitler nationalize every large industry in Germany?

    Hmm…doesn’t sound like a conservative. Sounds like a Socialist to me.

    Oh, lgm, do you want to write me a check or should I demand cash? It’s time to do your patriotic duty.

  76. #76
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:51 am, sonofdy said:

    Respect for the rule of law, the outcomes of elections, and the rights of individuals. Mugabe is a tyrant. Obama is a democrat (believer in democracy).

    I guess you haven’t heard about all the democratic voter fraud, or you just don’t care. Hitler was a socialist. Its in the title of his party. So was Stalin and Mao.

  77. #77
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:52 am, WarEagle82 said:

    Good grief, lgm, can you really be that clueless! The US Constitution specifically forbade an income tax. In fact the “tradition” is less than 100 years old at this point and the adoption of this “tradition” helped start the long, slow slide of this great nation away from its founding principles.

    Talk about an object lesson on the differences between ignorant and stupid! lgm is a great example of all the failings of public education. I can’t remember the last time he got a basic fact right.

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:40 am, lgm said:

    Clue: Democracies also have taxes. Ours has graduated income tax, which means that the rich pay a higher percentage than the poor. That’s not Obama’s evil invention, it’s an American tradition.

  78. #78
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:53 am, conservativesRus said:

    lgm #63. I think I’m missing something here about the rule of law. Care to enlighten me about it.
    In order for “law” to have meaning, it must be constant. NOT a living breathing constitution – but one where the words as written still have the same meaning. One where judges do not have the power to re-define words to fit some social construct. Am I missing something?

  79. #79
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:54 am, jangar said:

    Paypall

  80. #80
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:54 am, Paul-Cincy said:

    Several things come to mind. First the notion that if you equally redistribute the wealth among everyone in the US, within 1, 2, or 3 generations, it will largely have gone back to those who work for it and taken from those who don’t. Unless of course there are govt programs in place to prevent that. I’m also reminded of the aphorism “the world is like a pig’s tail”. If you try to straighten it out, then it will just curl back into a pig’s tail. You could make it permanently straight with heat and pressure, but then it wouldn’t be a pig’s tail anymore! It would be some straight thing, a mangled pig’s tail. One also thinks of what Jesus said, “The poor will always be with us”. Despite LBJ and his War on Poverty. And finally, from Tao Te Ching #29:

    The universe is sacred.
    You cannot improve it.
    If you try to change it, you will ruin it.
    If you try to hold it, you will lose it.

    OK now I’ll read MM’s piece and the comments LOL.

  81. #81
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:55 am, committed said:

    Clinton promised tax cuts during his presidential campaign and ended up raising taxes.

    Mr. Clinton promised to offer tax relief to families with incomes of less than $80,000 a year. He said he would raise taxes on only “the wealthiest 2 percent,” those with incomes above $200,000 a year, and impose a surtax of 10 percent on those with annual incomes of more than $1 million. He said that over four years he would squeeze an additional $45 billion out of foreign corporations doing business in the United States. He dismissed as an outrageous falsehood the Republican assertions that his spending programs would mean additional taxes on families making as little as $30,000 a year. Now, Mr. Clinton proposes to increase income taxes to 36 percent from 31 percent on couples who have taxable income of more than $140,00 a year and on unmarried individuals with taxable income of more than $115,000.

    query.nytimes.com

  82. #82
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:57 am, WarEagle82 said:

    If anyone wants to see the future of American as a Marxist state we need look no further than Zimbabwe, Cuba, The Russian Federation, or the PRC. I have seen the future and it is not pretty.

    The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.” — Winston Churchill.

  83. #83
    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:58 am, right4life said:

    did you notice the land went to a local politician? it was promised of course, to go to the people as a reparation for past racism of the white people.

    most of the land went to Mugabe’s cronies, or the CHINESE…who are making huge inroads into africa…dumping their criminals there…

    they treat the africans like dirt…but since the chinese are not white…its OK!

  84. #84
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:00 am, iamsaved said:

    When Obama allows the Bush taxcuts to lapse – a tax increase – and imposes increasingly higher taxes on small businesses, the barter system will gain more and more popularity as it did after the Carter recession. Work will be traded and any differences paid in cash.

    The citizens of this country have always found a way around a difficult situation. There’s more than one way to skin a cat and avoid paying the taxes Obama wants.

    Won’t those who pay no taxes howl when their credits aren’t forth coming and those increased revenues Obama is counting on don’t marterialize or disappear after they do.
    He’ll have no choice but to raise taxes even more to pay for all his welfare, socialistic programs he’s promised.

  85. #85
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:01 am, DBNinKY said:

    lgm:

    Michelle’s talking about ideologies – not comparing individuals.

    He knows that, but as a GOP plant, diversion and equivocating obfuscation is all he has to contribute. (I hated Western Civ/history in college, but even I know Hitler was a Socialist.)

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:02 am, sausage said:

    Sorry Michelle, but this post is utterly ridiculous.

    Oh you is funny, Sausage!

  86. #86
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:01 am, Paul-Cincy said:

    I read the posts disputing any connection between a “spread the wealth” African country and Obama. Really? Remember in a debate when Charlie Gibson suggested lower the capital gains tax rate would actually increase revenues to the govt? Obama’s answer — even so, I would increase it, because of fairness. That’s Obama. Fairness, equality, spread the wealth.

    Conservative: I love you and will help you help yourself.
    Liberal: I love my vision of the world and will change the world to fit that vision. You will love it, because it’s fair and right.

  87. #87
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:02 am, Marshall Russ said:

    Gee, the article could have been written about any of our major cities run by liberal Democrats. Gang warfare in Chicago alone is out of control. Obambi didn’t do to much to stop it when he was working in the “hoods” where the gangs consider every ones property “their turf”.

  88. #88
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:03 am, Harris said:

    The thing about Socialism is it will still have it’s believers. They always try and cover up the loss of independence with a ‘look at what we’ve gained’ argument.
    “Sure you are only allowed to keep 55% of what you earned, but look at the roads we have! Look at the trash service and the welfare programs!”

    They will never admit to a program’s failure, no matter how bleak or non-existent the results. The only thing they will ever admit is that a program ‘didn’t receive enough funding’ or was ‘undermined by the right-wing machine’.

    I have to get dressed for high tea.

  89. #89
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:04 am, KitFox said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:40 am, lgm said:
    Hitler was a conservative. He campaigned on patriotism and the military, on saving Germany from Communism, and against that religion of hate.

    Sugar, have a look at Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism. If you can claw your way up to the book’s reading level, you might learn something.

  90. #90
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:05 am, right4life said:

    Obambi didn’t do to much to stop it when he was working in the “hoods” where the gangs consider every ones property “their turf”.

    the chicago democrats and the chicago outfit always seemed to work together…

  91. #91
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:06 am, right4life said:

    I have to get dressed for high tea.

    have a spot a tea for me, love/gov!

  92. #92
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:06 am, Truesoldier said:

    On October 20th, 2008 at 9:40 am, lgm said:
    Obama is a democrat (believer in democracy).

    Yeah and that is why he paid $800,000 to ACORN to ensure voter registration fraud in favor of the Democrats

    Why not just drop the whole Democracy precept and call it what it is Socialism.

  93. #93
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:08 am, englishqueen01 said:

    He’ll have no choice but to raise taxes even more to pay for all his welfare, socialistic programs he’s promised.

    Yep and the media will make excuses for his “bravery” in raising taxes and breaking promises.

  94. #94
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:09 am, prendad said:

    lgm and sausage, planes leave daily for Zimbabwe. Why don’t you catch one and you can have TODAY what you are apparently seeking for America beginning in January, 2009. When you get there you will find what “big government” can do for you when it “spreads the wealth”:

    Chronic shortages of basic commodities

    80 per cent unemployment

    Forcible clearing of urban ghettos, depriving over 18 per cent of the population of their homes

    Annual inflation rate over 2 million per cent

    Rigged elections

    Economic crisis. Up to a third of the population is thought to have fled over recent years

    all brought to you by “spreading the wealth”. Zimbabwe would still be a beautiful place to live if it were not subjected to a government that convinced large amounts of its black population that their life was not “good enough” and that they had numerous “problems” that they were apparently “unaware of” and that could only be remedied by stealing other peoples hard earned property. Oh yeah, next flight leaves JFK at 9:35 pm local, United Airlines UA8842 meal & snack included, one way as I am sure that you will be so happy there that you won’t want to come back.

  95. #95
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:13 am, right4life said:

    Zimbabwe would still be a beautiful place

    it was a beautiful place…the jacarands in bloom…victoria falls…but even my intimate zimbabwean friends won’t go there until mugabe is gone, and zimbabwe has changed for the better…I’m afraid that won’t happen though..until the Return of the King..

  96. #96
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:15 am, Send_Me said:

    In principle and practice, how is this any different than the aftermath of the Kelo v. City of New London case? We should expect to see more eminent domain cases here in the United States, if for no other reason, to raise the tax base to pay for the vast increase of entitlements subsidies for irresponsible behavior and the “civilian national security force” that Obama plans on creating.

  97. #97
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:15 am, wighttrasch said:

    Right4life–praat jy afrikaans?

  98. #98
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:16 am, right4life said:

    Right4life–praat jy afrikaans?

    no, not south African…just married to a beautiful black zimbabwean lady…

  99. #99
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:17 am, Tennessee Dave said:

    Happy Birthday Michelle!
    Happy Birthday to me!

  100. #100
    On October 20th, 2008 at 10:19 am, right4life said:

    I was married in zimbabwe when the jacarandas were in bloom…sigh…

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