Heckuva job, RNC

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 22, 2008 12:44 PM

Ugh.

This is the number one story in the blogosphere right now:

Yes, Joe Biden is imploding, but Sarah Palin’s RNC-funded wardrobe budget is the headline. The libs are claiming that some unnamed Republican National Committee donors and members are “disgusted” by the expenditures.

Are you surprised? The RNC has squandered its time and money on a lot of stupid things.

I’m with Mark Tapscott:

Every time I think the campaign professionals at the Republican National Committee can’t possibly do anything else to sink the party, they do something else that simply defies logical explanation. Like taking a candidate who epitomizes Middle American values and spending $150,000 to dress her up in Saks Fifth Avenue finery.

Apparently, they just couldn’t stand the thought of a GOP candidate for vice president actually wearing the same clothes on the campaign trail that she wears in real life. No, they had to go make her look like … one of them.

Did nobody over there think it through and realize doing this would hand Obama and the Democrats the last perfect piece of evidence of how out of touch Republicans are with the real world?

Heckuva job, RNC.

Here is the real Sarah, pre-RNC makeover:


Fortunately for the party makeover consultants, it doesn’t matter what she’s wearing.

She’s got something special that money can’t buy.

SNL’s Lorne Michael acknowledges it:

“I think Palin will continue to be underestimated for a while. I watched the way she connected with people, and she’s powerful. Her politics aren’t my politics. But you can see that she’s a very powerful, very disciplined, incredibly gracious woman. This was her first time out and she’s had a huge impact. People connect to her…

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  1. #511131
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:45 pm, flenser said:

    Sonofdy, Here is their goal. It is super that they state that they want to not break the constitution while in the process, but the goal remains the same

    Should I take it that you disagree with their goal, or is this simply a debating posture with you?

    There are a lot of people in America with goals I disagee with. I’m sure the same is true of you. But somehow I suspect that the AIP ranks right at the bottom of both our lists.

  2. #511133
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:46 pm, navywife91 said:

    MO explained her statements I think American voters are pretty confident in her love for the country.

    You are assuming a lot I think. I listened to her explanation and wasn’t convinced, especially since she mentioned this statement in at least three different campaign events. I still don’t understand how she has nothing to be proud of until now.

    Associations matter, remember.

    I agree, but Obama’s got much more to explain than Todd Palin. Until I hear Todd Palin say he wants to or wanted to seceed from the US, I can’t comment on his “feelings” about it with enough accuracy. If you can dig up some photos of him standing on the American flag, like Ayers, let me know.

    The people like you that believe this will believe anything your rightwing talking points tell you.

    I didn’t twist her words. She said it 3 times! She didn’t say she was proud because of the political process. She never qualified what she said when she said it. Based on her patronage of the church whose pastor exclaimed “God @amn America” and the “US of KKA”, I have reason.

    Let me say one more thing. Don’t ever question my patriotism or my love of this country. I have stood by my husband who has served honorably for 20 years and that makes me proud of him and my country. You can smart off to those who do the same to you, but your attitude is misplaced with me. I don’t agree with you, but I don’t think you are unpatriotic for your views, nor do I think you are dishonest. I may think you don’t know what you’re talking about or you are deluded, but not a liar.

  3. #511135
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:47 pm, chapoutier said:

    chapoutier: I refer you again to thier first plank of thier platform. GGGGEEEZZZ you are dense.

    Which says what, exactly? That they will not violate the constitution? Cool. They want to do it legally? Fine. But please do not try to tell me they are not in favor of secession. Even atheling has admitted that for pete’s sake.

    It is pretty bad when atheling is making you look dumb.

  4. #511137
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:47 pm, sonofdy said:

    Now lets discuss Obamas TWENTY TWO YEARS in a black liberation church. Does he agree that the CIA created AIDS to kill off black people? Do you libs agree that Obama agrees with this???

    To quote Obamas spirtual mentor “god damn america”

  5. #511140
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:48 pm, chapoutier said:

    Until I hear Todd Palin say he wants to or wanted to seceed from the US, I can’t comment on his “feelings” about it with enough accuracy

    I didn’t hear Obama say “God damn America” but apparently his membership in a church whose leader did was enough.

  6. #511141
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm, watershed said:

    #392

    The problem is hypocrisy. You can’t be the darling of the blue collar working class, a hockey mom everywoman, and spend #150,000 in a MONTH on clothes, which, of course, is more than most people do in ther LIFETIME. Doesn’t really jibe with most Americans, unless of course they’ve stretched their values so far around that they can see behind themselves!

  7. #511142
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm, flenser said:

    All right flenser and atheling. They want to legally secede. So that still makes them secessionists, right?

    Sure. Although I still don’t see why you think that’s a major debating point.

    I mean, you’re an inclusive liberal, right? You don’t think that the governor of Alaska should refuse to meet with her constituients about their legitimate issues, do you?

  8. #511143
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm, corkie said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:48 pm, chapoutier said:

    I didn’t hear Obama say “God damn America” but apparently his membership in a church whose leader did was enough.

    Enough for what????

  9. #511146
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm, atheling said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:47 pm, chapoutier said:

    It is pretty bad when atheling is making you look dumb.

    Ironic, coming from someon who manages to look pretty damned stupid all by himself.

    But stupidity isn’t your only problem.

  10. #511147
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm, chapoutier said:

    Enough for what????

    For the right to attribute that statement (or its sentiment) to Obama.

  11. #511149
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:51 pm, chapoutier said:

    But stupidity isn’t your only problem.

    True. I also can’t get enough of you, atheling.

  12. #511151
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:52 pm, corkie said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm, watershed said:

    The problem is hypocrisy. You can’t be the darling of the blue collar working class, a hockey mom everywoman, and spend #150,000 in a MONTH on clothes

    watershed, you need to check your definition of hypocrisy. Ironic – maybe. But not hypocrisy.

  13. #511153
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:52 pm, sonofdy said:

    I didn’t hear Obama say “God damn America” but apparently his membership in a church whose leader did was enough.

    Are you refering to his spritual advisor for TWENTY TWO YEARS reverand wright who regularly attacks america?

    I thought you might be talking about rescko who helped him out by saving him 300,000 on a house in exchange for what?

  14. #511154
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:52 pm, flenser said:

    I didn’t hear Obama say “God damn America” but apparently his membership in a church whose leader did was enough.

    I’m afraid that I don’t accept the parallel you are trying to draw. If all Wright had said was that he wanted blacks to seceede from America, he’d be a lot less objectionable a figure.

  15. #511155
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm, navywife91 said:

    I didn’t hear Obama say “God damn America” but apparently his membership in a church whose leader did was enough.

    Was Todd Palin a member for 20 years? WAs the leader of the AIP a spiritual mentor to him? Did he also baptize the Palin children? Is the leader of the AIP a racist?

  16. #511156
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm, atheling said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm, chapoutier said:
    Enough for what????
    For the right to attribute that statement (or its sentiment) to Obama.

    How obtuse can you be? The man sat in a church for 20 years where the cleric spewed racist, anti American hate speech, and you are trying to say that he is not tainted by association?

    How stupid are you? If McCain or Palin sat in a all whitey church for 20 years and listened to that crap you’d be all over them for it.

    You know, maybe you’d be able to see more clearly if you weren’t so focused on the crack of your Dear Leader’s ass.

  17. #511157
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm, watershed said:

    #406

    Nope. Hypocrisy works just fine. But thanks!

  18. #511159
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:54 pm, atheling said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:49 pm, watershed said:

    The problem is hypocrisy. You can’t be the darling of the blue collar working class, a hockey mom everywoman, and spend #150,000 in a MONTH on clothes

    Give me $150,000. and one month and I can do it too. :)

  19. #511160
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:54 pm, sonofdy said:

    Oh and did Todd Palin only quit the AIP when the media found out about it? Oh no that was Obama.

  20. #511162
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:55 pm, chapoutier said:

    How obtuse can you be? The man sat in a church for 20 years where the cleric spewed racist, anti American hate speech, and you are trying to say that he is not tainted by association?

    No I didn’t say that. I am saying that if Obama is tainted by association then so is Todd Palin for being a member of a secessionist party, even if he never came out and said he was in favor of such.

  21. #511163
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:55 pm, flenser said:

    Hypocrisy works just fine

    ha ha ha.

    Another liberal who has a hypocrisy fetish but does not even know the meaning of the word.

  22. #511164
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:56 pm, chapoutier said:

    Oh and did Todd Palin only quit the AIP when the media found out about it?

    No he didn’t quit the AIP to further his own political career (like Obama admittedly did with his church). He did it to further his wife’s.

  23. #511165
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:56 pm, atheling said:

    I don’t see any taint in Todd Palin’s association with that party. In fact, I’m starting to find secessionism quite appealing, especially if it means that we won’t have a voter pool consisting of idiots like yourself.

  24. #511166
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:56 pm, corkie said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm, chapoutier said:

    For the right to attribute that statement (or its sentiment) to Obama.

    Nobody attributed the statement to Obama. It’s wrong for you to suggest otherwise. They’ve merely stated that he was obviously comfortable being a member of an organization that espoused those type of views.

  25. #511167
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:56 pm, sonofdy said:

    No I didn’t say that. I am saying that if Obama is tainted by association then so is Todd Palin for being a member of a secessionist party, even if he never came out and said he was in favor of such.

    I will accept that since todd palin is NOT RUNNING FOR ANYTHING. Obama is.

  26. #511170
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:57 pm, chapoutier said:

    I don’t see any taint in Todd Palin’s association with that party. In fact, I’m starting to find secessionism quite appealing, especially if it means that we won’t have a voter pool consisting of idiots like yourself.

    Are you going to do it peacefully like Todd, or advocate violent upheaval, as you have in the past?

  27. #511171
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm, Tranceman said:

    I don’t care what Palin wears and I agree with the Lorne Michael’s assessment of Palin that appears at the top. However, she proves time and time again that she is way out of her depth. Someone needs to clue her in to the role of the VP in the Senate. The VP is NOT “in charge of the Senate” as she claimed in a recent interview. I agree that she is proving to be more of a drag on the ticket than Bush. And I question McCain’s decision making abilities for having selected her. I cringe at the thought that a 72 year old man with a history of cancer (that is only in remission – it could come back any day, and the chances are very high that it will given the stress of the job) stands between Palin and the most powerful job in the world. For that reason alone, my vote goes to Obama, in spite of the fact that I abhor many of his socialist policies. McCain really did the country a disservice by choosing Palin as his running mate.

  28. #511172
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm, John Ansell said:

    This thread is a riot. :lol:

  29. #511173
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm, chapoutier said:

    They’ve merely stated that he was obviously comfortable being a member of an organization that espoused those type of views.

    That is what I meant by “(or its sentiment)”.

  30. #511174
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm, sonofdy said:
    Oh and did Todd Palin only quit the AIP when the media found out about it?

    No he didn’t quit the AIP to further his own political career (like Obama admittedly did with his church). He did it to further his wife’s.

    AGAIN Todd Palin is NOT RUNNING FOR ANYTHING!!!!!

  31. #511175
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm, corkie said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pm, watershed said:

    Nope. Hypocrisy works just fine. But thanks!

    You obviously didn’t check the definition.

  32. #511176
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm, Trollman said:

    chapoutier said:

    I didn’t hear Obama say “God damn America” but apparently his membership in a church whose leader did was enough.

    After Obama had heard Wright’s words condemning America, Obama said he still stood with his preacher – “I can no more disown him than blah blah blah.”

    So Wright can say all kinds of things slandering America, and he will stick with him. But once Wright pointed out that Obama “just says what politicians say,” Obama’s hypocrisy, then he disowns him.

    I see that Obama is more concerned with himself than with his country.

    Country first.
    McCain/Palin 08

  33. #511177
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:00 pm, chapoutier said:

    AGAIN Todd Palin is NOT RUNNING FOR ANYTHING!!!!!

    NEITHER IS MICHELLE OBAMA BUT APPARENTLY HER COLLEGE THESIS IS RELEVANT AND ATTACKABLE!!!

  34. #511178
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:00 pm, max said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 pm, chapoutier said:
    I’ve kinda taken a shine to “Dear Leader” myself.

    a “Shine?” RAAACCCIISSSSTTTT!

  35. #511179
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:01 pm, chapoutier said:

    Anyway, this has been fun. Time to get some work done.

    Atheling, meet me at our secret place at midnight. I’ll bring the champagne and rose petals. You just bring your pretty self and your dirty mouth.

  36. #511180
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:02 pm, sonofdy said:
    AGAIN Todd Palin is NOT RUNNING FOR ANYTHING!!!!!

    NEITHER IS MICHELLE OBAMA BUT APPARENTLY HER COLLEGE THESIS IS RELEVANT AND ATTACKABLE!!!

    You are the one attacking a candidates family, Glad you brought up michelles Thesis, reveling as to her true feelings isn’t it.

  37. #511181
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:03 pm, flenser said:

    I am saying that if Obama is tainted by association then so is Todd Palin for being a member of a secessionist party

    Take a step back and consider how far into the weeds you have gone.

    You are now trying to compare Todd Palin, private citizen, to Barack Obama, the man close to becoming President.

    Todd Palins associations are not the issue, Obamas are.

    Your equating the AIP with Wrights church is the next weak link. By all accounts the AIP was a sane and sober group of people compared to Mr “White People Invented AIDS”.

    And lastly, you are skipping the whole Ayers connection.

    If Sarah Palin herself had a connection with the AIP, and if the AIP was some sort of cross between Ayers and Wright, then your “they’re all the same’ line would work.

    But those things are not the case.

  38. #511182
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:03 pm, Garathorn said:

    Wow. The Pre-Election tension runs amok!

    Look, B. Hussein Obama is probably gonna’ pull this out on the 4th. I don’t like it, you don’t like it, but ACORN, the Entire MSM, 3/4ths of the current government, ALL the nations of the world, and George Soros DO like it. Conservatism is the underdog, despite this nation being 80% middle-right. We can’t battle the lies, corruption, cash, influence, and favors that are being leveraged at every level from now until the vote. We’ve lived in this dream-world where we believed that ‘this could never happen here’. But it’s most likely gonna’. The U.S.A. is going to elect a communist as President. And any lefty who bristles at the ‘name calling’ can —– — – —– —— — —— ———-. Just because they don’t have the guts to ADMIT what they are, doesn’t keep the truth from being known. Barry wants us nice and docile for the revolution. I say he can want it all he wants. But unless they can grab it all…and I mean ALL, they will lose it all in two years. ‘Cause no matter how you slice it, ‘my 80% of this country can kick your 20% of this countries butt’.

    But who knows? November 4th ain’t here yet. Is it?

  39. #511183
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:03 pm, corkie said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm, chapoutier said:

    That is what I meant by “(or its sentiment)”.

    You’re reaching.

  40. #511184
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:04 pm, flenser said:

    NEITHER IS MICHELLE OBAMA BUT APPARENTLY HER COLLEGE THESIS IS RELEVANT AND ATTACKABLE!!!

    I’d expect better than that from you. Stop trying to change the subject.

  41. #511185
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:05 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Hey chapoutier…I just dropped in and noticed one of your posts that leads me to believe you don’t have any children. On behalf of all the unborn children in the world, THANK YOU.

  42. #511186
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:05 pm, sonofdy said:

    He left for work. pity, I was almost through with him.

  43. #511187
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:06 pm, watershed said:

    #415

    Goodness. I am not gonna get into a word war with you. Not holding yourself true to the beliefs you espouse for others is HYPOCRISY. Stop trying to win the “clever” game.

  44. #511190
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:07 pm, old_texan said:

    The thing that scares the hell out of me is the thought of a democrat congress and an Obama presidency. You demos have no idea what you are about to do to America and to the society that we have loved for so long. If this happens, its on your heads when the crap hit the fan.

    Enjoy your new socialist state comrads.

  45. #511191
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:08 pm, right4life said:

    The problem is hypocrisy. You can’t be the darling of the blue collar working class, a hockey mom everywoman, and spend #150,000 in a MONTH on clothes, which, of course, is more than most people do in ther LIFETIME.

    she’s not spending it. its like a model getting clothes to try on.

    no ‘hypocrisy’ only your desperation. sorry.

  46. #511193
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:09 pm, flenser said:

    I cringe at the thought that a 72 year old man with a history of cancer (that is only in remission – it could come back any day, and the chances are very high that it will given the stress of the job) stands between Palin and the most powerful job in the world. For that reason alone, my vote goes to Obama, in spite of the fact that I abhor many of his socialist policies.

    You forget to say “I’m a long time Republican and a Christian conservative”. Don’t they teach you anything at moby school?

    You have no problem with a comminity activist being President, but you are scared of a successful governor. Hmm, why on earth don’t I believe you?

  47. #511194
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:10 pm, watershed said:

    #438

    Let me be the first to say WHOOPIE!

  48. #511195
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:11 pm, flenser said:

    Not holding yourself true to the beliefs you espouse for others is HYPOCRISY

    Does Palin have a “belief” that people should not wear expensive clothes?

    You’re full of it, as usual.

  49. #511197
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:12 pm, sonofdy said:

    Well we had chapoutier admit that todds aip membership was just as relievant as Obamas contection to Rev Wright, michelle obamas college theses, and I was almost there with ayers.

    chapoutier considers todd palins membership VERY relievant. No wonder he had to “get back to work”

  50. #511198
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:12 pm, watershed said:

    #439

    Oh, come on. Streeeetching.

    Let’s hear your reaction to the fact that John Edwards RETURNED THE MONEY for the haircut? Give me the same ol’ sweet rationalizations. Go for it!

  51. #511199
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:12 pm, corkie said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm, Tranceman said:

    The VP is NOT “in charge of the Senate” as she claimed in a recent interview.

    Check the Constitution, and then check the definition of President. As in “President of the Senate.”

  52. #511200
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:12 pm, atheling said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:01 pm,

    chapoutier said:
    Anyway, this has been fun. Time to get some work done.

    Atheling, meet me at our secret place at midnight. I’ll bring the champagne and rose petals. You just bring your pretty self and your dirty mouth.

    I’m not the one licking the Dear Leader’s arse.

  53. #511202
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:14 pm, flenser said:

    Yeah, we’ve all heard Palin, in her regular stump speech, giving out about people who were clothes from Saks.

    I think she even tried to get a law passed that nobody in Alaska could wear any clothes that cost over a thousand dollars.

    /waterheads dreams

  54. #511203
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:14 pm, corkie said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:06 pm, watershed said:

    Goodness. I am not gonna get into a word war with you. Not holding yourself true to the beliefs you espouse for others is HYPOCRISY. Stop trying to win the “clever” game.

    Stop using the wrong word.

    And see flenser #442. HE understands.

  55. #511205
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:14 pm, right4life said:

    Oh, come on. Streeeetching.

    not.

    Let’s hear your reaction to the fact that John Edwards RETURNED THE MONEY for the haircut? Give me the same ol’ sweet rationalizations. Go for it!

    unlike you sanctimonious libs, I don’t care how much he spends for a haircut. guess he wanted to try to downplay the obvious hypocrisy on his part.

  56. #511207
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:15 pm, watershed said:

    #442

    She doesn’t espouse “small town values” every day on the campaign trail? And then we find out she got her clothes from Barney’s? Are you being deliberately obtuse?

  57. #511208
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:16 pm, watershed said:

    #449

    Good. I dont care either. I care about the blatant double standard applied to Palin in this situation. Hope you do too!

  58. #511209
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:17 pm, flenser said:

    we had chapoutier admit that todds aip membership was just as relievant as Obamas contection to Rev Wright

    chappy convinced me. I’ll agree that Todd Palin should not be POTUS. And I’m sure that in return chappy will admit that neither should Obama.

  59. #511210
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:17 pm, sonofdy said:

    She doesn’t espouse “small town values” every day on the campaign trail? And then we find out she got her clothes from Barney’s?

    Again so what??? EVERY politician wears expensive clothes. SO WHAT??? To quote your masters, its a distraction.

  60. #511211
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:17 pm, right4life said:

    I care about the blatant double standard applied to Palin in this situation. Hope you do too!

    I don’t see any double standard, all I see is desperation on the left, you will do anything to trash her.

    we’re not buying it, obviously.

  61. #511215
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:19 pm, rightisright said:

    bottom line in regards to the subject of this thread, SO WHAT?

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm, John Ansell said:This thread is a riot. :lol:

    did you mean rotten or riot? Feed the trolls and the subject matter gets changed or distorted…oh well.

  62. #511217
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:20 pm, flenser said:

    I care about the blatant double standard applied to Palin in this situation.

    What “double standard” is that?

    Is it like the “double standard” you guys used when you decided that Clintons sex life was nobodies business, although you consider the sex lives of Republicans everyones business?

  63. #511218
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:21 pm, corkie said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:15 pm, watershed said:

    #442

    She doesn’t espouse “small town values” every day on the campaign trail?

    Wow. You really, really miss the message that she is espousing.

    Try really hard not to confuse an espoused message with the fact that blue collar works seemed to identify with her.

  64. #511220
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:21 pm, sonofdy said:

    chappy convinced me. I’ll agree that Todd Palin should not be POTUS. And I’m sure that in return chappy will admit that neither should Obama.

    I was about 5 posts away from that. I think he figured it out.

  65. #511221
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:22 pm, flenser said:

    She doesn’t espouse “small town values” every day on the campaign trail? And then we find out she got her clothes from Barney’s?

    Are you really so stupid as to think that “small town values” include “no clothes from Barneys”?

    Yes, you are.

  66. #511222
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:23 pm, watershed said:

    #453

    I think you get what I am saying and don;t care. And you know what? It’s cool you don’t care. Whatever. Vote the way your heart tells you. Hold your own standards.

    BUT, many, many people do care about flagrantly fake populist frames. Thank goodness! And because they do care, a nice change is coming Nov 4th. Thank goodness again!

  67. #511223
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:24 pm, flenser said:

    I was about 5 posts away from that. I think he figured it out.

    Yeah, that’s why he suddenly remembered he needed to trim his toe nails.

  68. #511224
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:25 pm, KaosKlerik said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm, watershed said:
    #96

    Medved is a racist who thinks slavery wasn’t all that bad. But whatev!

    Medved’s column is about how slavery is used to bash ONLY America when it was a) global, b) detrimental to those states which retained it, & c) abolished here before a lot of other countries. He never says it wasn’t “all that bad.”

    B is in response to those who say America got rich off of it, when the more industrious and prosperous states were those which abolished slavery early on.

    Having said that what does that have to do with the truth of the first article I mentioned, or were you just hoping that (erroneously) saying he defended slavery would be enough to discredit anything else he might say?

  69. #511228
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:25 pm, RetFireman said:

    If NYK would have actually READ the article concerning the Al Qaeda/John McCain thing, he would have realized WHY. They know that Obama will NOT fight them. They know that Obama will NOT commit the military to go after terrorists.

    The reason they mistakenly think it is a good thing for McCain is that they believe that the United States Military wil eventually just tire out, have no more soldiers and weapons and money and will eventually just basically go away forever.

    nyk would have realized the idiocy behind their reasonings.

    But again, that would have meant that he actually read the article instead of demonstrating the fact that Liberals are all about feelings, emotion and 10 second sound bites and they have absolutely NOTHING to do with facts, reality, or truth.

    And having them wanting for a McCain win is not the same as an ENDORSEMENT which is what they, along with every single despot and terrorist leader, supporter, and fan have given Obama, including Iran, Hammas, North Korea, Venezuela…

    But hey, thanks for demonstrating to everyone what a ridiculous charicature of a human you are.

  70. #511229
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:26 pm, sonofdy said:

    BUT, many, many people do care about flagrantly fake populist frames.

    Like Obama? Once they figure out what a fraud he is they are going to be mad!!

    Thank goodness! And because they do care, a nice change is coming Nov 4th. Thank goodness again!

    Change is coming since bush isn’t running. But if you mean Obama, I will never support his fraudulency.

  71. #511233
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 pm, RetFireman said:

    And is it the contention now that MO does NOT use room service, stay at expensive hotels, drive around in expensive cars, dress in multi-thousand dollar dresses etc.?

    I mean, the Martha Stewart line of shower curtains ain’t cheap.

  72. #511234
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 pm, flenser said:

    BUT, many, many people do care about flagrantly fake populist frames.

    Is there a more fake populist frame than the one that says that the Democrats are the party of the working man? The one that has Joe Biden, 300 years in the Senate, pretending to be a regular guy?

    Everyone knows who the rich are voting for – Obama.

  73. #511235
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 pm, DBNinKY said:

    Wow – MJ, NYK, LGM, Chap, Watershed, RSS – all one thread, and in the same day! Don’t tell me the Left isn’t scared about Obama’s chances.

  74. #511236
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:28 pm, watershed said:

    #459

    $150,000 spent at a high end urban chain? For a “hockey mom”? That isn’t a disconnect there? You did read MM’s own post, right? I mean, even she gets it.

    You ARE being deliberately obtuse! Whatever. If that works for you, cool!

  75. #511238
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:30 pm, chapoutier said:

    chappy convinced me. I’ll agree that Todd Palin should not be POTUS. And I’m sure that in return chappy will admit that neither should Obama.

    Sorry to have left for a whole 23 minutes folks. But if you can please point to me where I said that Todd was disqualified for presidency because of his association with AIP, that would be super cool.

    My point only extended to how one defines a relevant association and how one ascribes a belief based upon that association. We could leave Todd out of it completely and talk about any random person in any random group and what the relationship is.

    And FWIW, Todd is disqualified in my mind because he is a rube.

  76. #511240
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:30 pm, RetFireman said:

    Sarah Palin and her husband ARE from small town America. It has been demonstrated repeatedly just how small of a town she is from. They are the epitome of what it means to obtain the American Dream. They should be celebrated as what happens if you work hard, get your education etc.

    If she came from nothing and now has money from her hard work and dedication, more power to her.

    It isn’t as if she is a graduate from an Ivy League School, is a lawyer or anything like that.

    The Palins have not lived like an elitist snob of a family such as the two people running on the Democrat ticket.

  77. #511242
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:31 pm, corkie said:

    I’m glad that MJ, NYK, Chap, Watershed, RSS are on here. They allow us to debunk all the liberal talking points.

    It was boring debating lgm. It was like trying to have a serious discussion with someone on heroine.

  78. #511243
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:31 pm, chapoutier said:

    Wow – MJ, NYK, LGM, Chap, Watershed, RSS – all one thread, and in the same day! Don’t tell me the Left isn’t scared about Obama’s chances.

    Feeling quite good actually.

  79. #511244
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:32 pm, watershed said:

    #467

    Actually, I just cam in to savor some schadenfreude (it’s yummy today!), and watch some people start talking about how secession is cool, and how elitist spending sprees are ok when it’s YOUR elitist doing the spending.

    All in all a very good day for me.

  80. #511246
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:32 pm, sonofdy said:

    $150,000 spent at a high end urban chain? For a “hockey mom”? That isn’t a disconnect there? You did read MM’s own post, right? I mean, even she gets it.

    I simply understand that people running for congress need to dress their best. Nothing new there. It doesn’t change anything more than say Obama taking money from millionaires then claiming to be for the little man.

  81. #511248
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:33 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 4:18 pm, Red State Skeptic said:
    What do you call a millionaire?
    An average American? The typical homeowner in many parts of the country has assets worth a million dollars.
    Wasilla is not that part of the country. And two vacation homes?

    Todd holds down two, count them, two jobs. One as a commercial fisherman and the other, an oilman.

    They made $230K last year, nearly four times the median in Alaska. That’s not average or typical. And the point is they have more than enough money to support the father of their future grandkid so he can finish school… HIGH SCHOOL that is.

    Have you thought about the fact that the young man maybe, just maybe wants to be responsible and take care of his own family? You clearly don’t understand young people who aren’t obsessed with trotting off to some institution of liberal indoctrination. I highly doubt that many Alaskans have college degrees but they manage to take care of their families.

  82. #511250
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:33 pm, sonofdy said:

    for congress = for office, ugh

  83. #511251
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:33 pm, RetFireman said:

    And the wealthiest members of the Senate are NOT Republicans. The top 5 (unless the list has changed recently) are ALL DEMOCRATS!

    Party of the Middle Class indeed.

  84. #511252
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:33 pm, happyscrapper said:

    How the he## did so many trolls take over these threads??? We are all of a sudden overrun with them. They really make things nasty and vitriolic. If the liberals were only able to have a rational, civil debate, it might be worth it. But most of them are just trying to hijack the thread. I can hardly stand to come in here lately. Where are all the “folks” I was getting to know? If you republicans and conservatives think you are going to change their minds by engaging in conversation, you are beating your heads on a brick wall. They only want to insult, not debate. And in the end, they will go on their uninformed, brainwashed way and vote for That One.

  85. #511254
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:34 pm, corkie said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:32 pm, watershed said:

    All in all a very good day for me.

    When your side controls the MSM everyday should be a very good day for you.

  86. #511255
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:34 pm, chapoutier said:

    Todd holds down two, count them, two jobs. One as a commercial fisherman and the other, an oilman.

    Don’t forget his snowmobile racing, which expenses he deducts as if it were a job and not a hobby, which is very spurious.

  87. #511256
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:34 pm, flenser said:

    $150,000 spent at a high end urban chain? For a “hockey mom”?

    1) She’s a VP candidate. Guess you never got the word.

    2) The money was not spent on her, but the whole family.

    3) Kindly let me know what you consider to be the correct budget for outfitting a national politician.

  88. #511258
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:35 pm, flmom said:

    Waterspout said:
    Blah blah blah hypocrisy blah blah $150,000 blah blah hypocrisy blah blah $150,000 blah blah blah hypocrisy blah blah $150,000 blah blah blah hypocrisy blah blah blah ad infinitum.

  89. #511259
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:35 pm, chapoutier said:

    They really make things nasty and vitriolic.

    Hey, atheling is the one throwing the a-bomb left and right.

  90. #511260
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:35 pm, RetFireman said:

    Todd Palin LEFT his job in the oil industry some time ago.

    Try and keep up with facts and not rhettoric.

  91. #511262
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:36 pm, chapoutier said:

    Todd Palin LEFT his job in the oil industry some time ago.

    Try and keep up with facts and not rhettoric.

    Are you attacking 30 pieces? I think she meant it as a compliment.

  92. #511263
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:36 pm, watershed said:

    Look, you guys are the ones imploding. Forealz. You might wanna stop grasping SO HARD to the very rotten attitudes that have gotten you there and take a long hard look at what you might have to do to get yourselves out.

    Because THAT’s what America is all about. Not crazy rationalizations about secession when things don’t go your way…!

  93. #511264
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:36 pm, KaosKlerik said:

    Medved is a racist who thinks slavery wasn’t all that bad.

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 1:40 pm, DBNinKY said:
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 1:34 pm, watershed said:
    So do a lot of white, liberal U.S. History profs!

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 1:40 pm, flenser said:
    Obama’s spiritual advisor of twenty years is a racist who teachs that white people are devils and hob-nobs with Farakhan. For some reason that does not bother you in the slightest.

    Don’t play that game. Medved is not a racist and he was not defending slavery, he was attacking how it is used to single out the US as the only guilty one.

    By replying with an equivalence you tacitly accept the watershed’s lie and change the direction of the argument.

    Classic misdirection tactic.

  94. #511265
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:36 pm, RetFireman said:

    Again…how much money was spent on outfitting the opposition?

    Anyone?

  95. #511271
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pm, corkie said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:36 pm, watershed said:

    Not crazy rationalizations about secession when things don’t go your way…!

    Are you implying that secessionists hate the entity from which they want to secede?

  96. #511272
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pm, watershed said:

    #482

    Why don’t you just secede from the country if you don’t like what other people in it have to say? Apparently that’s something you find appealing, you ol’ patriot, you. :)

  97. #511273
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pm, mistressjustice said:

    Let me say one more thing. Don’t ever question my patriotism or my love of this country. I have stood by my husband who has served honorably for 20 years and that makes me proud of him and my country. You can smart off to those who do the same to you, but your attitude is misplaced with me. I don’t agree with you, but I don’t think you are unpatriotic for your views, nor do I think you are dishonest. I may think you don’t know what you’re talking about or you are deluded, but not a liar.

    That’s fair enough. I don’t question your patriotism. I’m sorry if I came across that way.

    If you were honest, you’d admit that if the MO had the same secessionist ties you’d be disgusted.

    You never addressed this, and I most certainly stand by this statement. Take all of her ambiguously “unpatriotic” statements off the table,but if MO had the same secessionist past as Todd Palin, I think you and other rightwingers would be disgusted by her. This is politics and I think you’re playing “teams” and believe in double standards. That’s all.

  98. #511274
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:40 pm, watershed said:

    #488

    Ohhh, you want to leave the country because you love it so much. Got it.

  99. #511275
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:40 pm, flenser said:

    Don’t forget his snowmobile racing, which expenses he deducts as if it were a job and not a hobby, which is very spurious.

    Another scandal!!!!!

    I’ll assume you’re joking, as you do from time to time in a rather unliberal fashion.

    My point only extended to how one defines a relevant association and how one ascribes a belief based upon that association.

    And as was amply demonstrated, your attempt to come up with a definition which made Palin the equal of Obama in terms of connections to shady characters was a failure.

  100. #511279
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 5:42 pm, chapoutier said:

    I’ll assume you’re joking, as you do from time to time in a rather unliberal fashion.

    No. I take potential tax fraud very seriously. The IRS does too.

    But I will give him the benefit of the doubt and just say he is pushing the limits of what the law allows.

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