Heckuva job, RNC

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 22, 2008 12:44 PM

Ugh.

This is the number one story in the blogosphere right now:

Yes, Joe Biden is imploding, but Sarah Palin’s RNC-funded wardrobe budget is the headline. The libs are claiming that some unnamed Republican National Committee donors and members are “disgusted” by the expenditures.

Are you surprised? The RNC has squandered its time and money on a lot of stupid things.

I’m with Mark Tapscott:

Every time I think the campaign professionals at the Republican National Committee can’t possibly do anything else to sink the party, they do something else that simply defies logical explanation. Like taking a candidate who epitomizes Middle American values and spending $150,000 to dress her up in Saks Fifth Avenue finery.

Apparently, they just couldn’t stand the thought of a GOP candidate for vice president actually wearing the same clothes on the campaign trail that she wears in real life. No, they had to go make her look like … one of them.

Did nobody over there think it through and realize doing this would hand Obama and the Democrats the last perfect piece of evidence of how out of touch Republicans are with the real world?

Heckuva job, RNC.

Here is the real Sarah, pre-RNC makeover:


Fortunately for the party makeover consultants, it doesn’t matter what she’s wearing.

She’s got something special that money can’t buy.

SNL’s Lorne Michael acknowledges it:

“I think Palin will continue to be underestimated for a while. I watched the way she connected with people, and she’s powerful. Her politics aren’t my politics. But you can see that she’s a very powerful, very disciplined, incredibly gracious woman. This was her first time out and she’s had a huge impact. People connect to her…

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  1. #511633
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 2:44 am, Bill Grant said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 6:51 pm, flenser said:

    I’m actually a lifelong Dem casting my first vote for the GOP. It’s true.

    I had a sneaking suspicion that you weren’t soooo bad. ;-)

  2. #511648
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 4:42 am, atheling said:

    Best response to this story, from a PUMA Democrat!

    So the multi-millionaire Barbie Boy wants to ridicule Sarah Palin for needing money to buy the clothes she MUST BUY to campaign for the White House. Nice. Barack Obama is a creep and a fraud, and if you are a Democrat who hasn’t figured this out yet, YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION!

    It never stops. Never, ever. If Sarah Palin had tried to campaign in the wardrobe she has hanging in her closet in Juno, you know, the Ann Taylor suits that cost $148.99 and the three or four pairs of $200 shoes, the 4 jackets, six scarves, five handbags, and one pair of snazzy but scuffed gen-yoo-ine snakeskin boots with which every professional woman with children tries to look good while making do, she would have been HOUNDED RELENTLESSLY and ridiculed as a shabby, amateur hick in every media outlet in the universe. Just ask Michelle Obama. A very stylish lady, in my opinion. But nothing protects her either. She is ridiculed and hounded for wearing belts that are too big, dresses with floral prints, and scary boots. She probably spends a LOT of money on her clothes. And why not? She’s a very wealthy woman. Cindy McCain has made getting dressed a full-time job since she was 7 or 8 years old. She looks great, perfect even. At all times. It’s a bit scary actually. And Hillary? Cleavage, kitten heels, and pantsuits. Enough said.

    This is how it works, Folks. An impossible standard is raised and we are all expected to bankrupt ourselves to meet it — to spend a phenomenally STUPID amount of money on clothes and accessories, to hate the way we look in order to motivate ourselves to BUY MORE, and to feel shamed and ugly when we cannot or will not play the game.

    The Palin’s combined income in 2007 was $170,000, with $25,000 going to taxes and $8,000 to charity. That means $11,500 a month net for a family of seven. Not bad. All the bills get paid on time, presents fill the room on Christmas morning, college gets saved for, Dad gets a snowmobile, and Mom can buy a reasonable amount of clothes every year to do her job. In 2006, their net monthly income for their family of six was $9,833. And it was less in the years prior to 2006. A nice, comfortable two-salary family in this day and age.

    But NOT enough to dress like Cindy McCain, or Mika Brezhnev, or Andrea Mitchell, or Candy Crowley, or Michelle Obama.

    Sarah Palin is an upper middle class WORKING CLASS person. No one so “poor” has run for national office in 150 years. When Bill Clinton ran he had been Governor for 8 years and Hillary had already made them wealthy (plus, der, he’s a guy and this is a DOUBLE standard we are talking about). Dan Quayle, Al Gore, John Kerry, both George Bushes, Dick Cheney, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter? Barbie Barack Obama and Joe Biden? All rich. Really rich. And male too, so it doesn’t even count. Nancy Pelosi? RICH. Even Geraldine Ferraro was rich. Hillary is rich.

    There aren’t enough short piers in the world for this crew. Who do they go after? Always, always, always it’s the vulnerable.

    The Ohio woman whose daughter died because the hospital wouldn’t take her

    The working poor in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, and Kentucky

    The retarded and the unlovely (Trigg Palin and Janet Huckabee)

    Joe the Plumber and Tito Menendez

    Women — always, unceasingly and relentlessly (Sarah, Cindy, Michelle, Bristol, Geraldine, Chelsea, Samantha, Melissa, Amanda, Randi, and, unforgivably, Hillary)

    Let me repeat, Barack Obama is a creep and a fraud, and if you are a Democrat who hasn’t figured this out yet, YOU ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION!

  3. #511651
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 6:16 am, navywife91 said:

    I’ve just gone back over and read the last two pages of posts and I have to say I thought I was on DU or Huffpo. I guess the talking points yesterday were “push Todd Palin as a secessionist and call Gov. Palin a hypocrite”. Those of us who have no proof of Todd being a rabid secessionist were accused of being unpatriotic and of thinking it’s “cool”. The trolls/libs here officially took over this thread with the ridiculous and shame on us for letting them.

    BTW, mistress, I didn’t answer your question about MO because I don’t agree with the premise that Todd Palin is this crazy secessionist. I ask that proof be provided before I address it. I have seen none.

  4. #511662
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 8:03 am, Lindsay said:

    Good grief, people, get real. Palin’s wardrobe is a non-issue with me at this time in our lives. We gave money to McCain/Palin–in fact, just gave more this week. Sarah looks very good so money well spent.I say good job RNC.

    Time is ticking away and you Eeyores are nit-picking about this? Get over it and fight for this country. McCain has flaws and is not my first choice, but he is all we have and the alternative is Obama.

    Get off your clouds and come on down and vote against socialism. Has Obama posted what his and Michelle’s wardrobe expenses are? For that matter, has he posted his birth certificate or Columbia transcripts or thesis? Didn’t think so.

  5. #511664
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 8:16 am, Lindsay said:

    More on the non-issue—the Greek columns and The One’s podium only cost a bit less than Palin’s wardrobe.

  6. #511666
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 8:21 am, Lindsay said:

    For some reason the link would not work.

    See the link within Treacher’s blog from yesterday.

  7. #511670
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 8:37 am, Wayfaring Stranger said:

    On October 23rd, 2008 at 4:42 am, atheling said:

    Best response to this story, from a PUMA Democrat!

    Good post, atheling. :cool:

  8. #511786
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 am, corkie said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:19 pm, chapoutier said:

    Something like 3k in 2006. I have no idea before that.

    So despite knowing that even the IRS uses a multi-year test, you imply that Todd Palin is a tax cheat. Yet you know nothing about the financials of his business during the test years. Great job, chap.

  9. #511814
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 10:55 am, corkie said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:22 pm, watershed said:

    So when you talk all positively about secession, be it from the possible future Puerto Rican state or current Alaskan wackjobs, just remember what drives it, you patriot, you!

    I’m glad you admit that motive (what drives it) matters. I assume that you believe that the motives I mentioned are benign.

  10. #511820
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 am, chapoutier said:

    So despite knowing that even the IRS uses a multi-year test, you imply that Todd Palin is a tax cheat. Yet you know nothing about the financials of his business during the test years. Great job, chap.

    I imply that his business deductions on their face are fishy and deserve great scrutiny. The Palins only released 2007 and 2006 so that is all I have to go by.

    Taken with the fact that they didn’t claim per diems as income (saying that Alaska law doesn’t require you to doesn’t hold much weight with the feds, unfortunately), nor apparently many other expenditures they billed the state for casts a real pallor of doubt on their returns.

    I am unsure as to why you are still commenting on this since you proved you don’t know what you are talking about. You couldn’t even muster up the right standard for business vs. hobby.

  11. #511947
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 am, greenfairie said:

    Stacy and Clinton could’ve done it for $5000.

  12. #512005
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 12:18 pm, RogerCfromSD said:

    I’m sure quite a bit of money has gone into paying for all of O’s suits and photographs, as well as for recreating Michele My Belle’s image into that of a black Jacqy Kennedy.

    PR ain’t cheap.

    If it’s a non-issue for the DNC to do this, it’s a non-issue for the RNC to do it.

  13. #512010
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm, flenser said:

    Good Lord!

    I see that chappy is still obsessing/ getting a boner over the notion that he can find some tax issues with the spouse of the GOP’s VP candidate.

    And still mulishly refusing to pay the slightest bit of attention the very real problems with the Marxist radical he is supporting.

    What a dishonest hack. But than, that s the motto of the left, isn’t it? “By any means neccessary”.

  14. #512011
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 12:21 pm, RogerCfromSD said:

    Chap, until Obama releases his birth certificate and his university transcripts, I couldn’t care less about what anyone on the opposition does or does not release.

  15. #512027
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 12:26 pm, chapoutier said:

    I see that chappy is still obsessing/ getting a boner over the notion that he can find some tax issues with the spouse of the GOP’s VP candidate.

    Sarah signs that return too. It is just as much her problem as his.

    And as for not addressing Obama’s issues, I have often done so. People may not like my conclusions. So be it.

  16. #512040
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 12:37 pm, flenser said:

    Your ad hominem attacks, flenser

    They are not ad hominem attacks. Mistress goodfball is in fact a disgusting bigot.

    Chappy is not, he is merely a “by any means neccessary” lefty who is willing to prostitute himself in the service of the cause.

    a cogent argument as to why Palin is a good candidate.

    Yeah, I should do that, in response to the wonderfully cogent arguments you trolls are making as to why your community activist is a good candidate.

    In case you missed the sarcasm, and God knows you people are stupid enough to do it, you have made no such arguments. So spare me your “so as we say, not as we do” routine.

    Or do you really suppose that your “Palin is a hypocrite” hissy-fit represents cogent argument?

    There is a colossal gap between you peoples actual intelligence and what you imagine it to be. It’s what allows you to show up here and put on these displays of reasoning that would embarass a stoned twelve-year-old while at the same time flaunting these smarter-than-thou airs.

  17. #512041
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 12:37 pm, corkie said:

    On October 23rd, 2008 at 10:59 am, chapoutier said:

    I imply that his business deductions on their face are fishy and deserve great scrutiny. The Palins only released 2007 and 2006 so that is all I have to go by.

    I am unsure as to why you are still commenting on this since you proved you don’t know what you are talking about. You couldn’t even muster up the right standard for business vs. hobby.

    WHAT???? I don’t know what I’m talking about???? I couldn’t muster up some stupid little IRS test???? Hahahahah. Puleeeeez. When you’re done playing games with the IRS website’s public interface and want to discuss case law, then I’m here for ya buddy. The IRS test is a guide for unsophisticated tax preparers. It’s not codified. It’s easy to tailor expenses to show profitability during certain years. That’s why revenue basically becomes the defacto standard.

    Look, you admit that you know nothing about his previous tax years. Therefore, you can’t make any determination about how the IRS, nonetheless justice, nonetheless a court, would treat it. All your implications are disingenuous and now you know it.

  18. #512042
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 12:38 pm, corkie said:

    On October 23rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm, flenser said:

    I see that chappy is still obsessing/ getting a boner over the notion that he can find some tax issues with the spouse of the GOP’s VP candidate.

    I think he now realizes that he hasn’t found anything.

  19. #512045
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 12:40 pm, mistressjustice said:

    MJ said:

    If you were honest, you’d admit that if the MO had the same secessionist ties you’d be disgusted.
    You never addressed this, and I most certainly stand by this statement. Take all of her ambiguously “unpatriotic” statements off the table,but if MO had the same secessionist past as Todd Palin, I think you and other rightwingers would be disgusted by her. This is politics and I think you’re playing “teams” and believe in double standards. That’s all.

    Navywife said:

    BTW, mistress, I didn’t answer your question about MO because I don’t agree with the premise that Todd Palin is this crazy secessionist. I ask that proof be provided before I address it. I have seen none.

    Nice spin Navywife. I never called TP a crazy secessionist in my post directed to you. I called him a secessionist in posts addressed to other people because I think it’s like saying “I joined the Klan, but I have no problem with minorities, unlike some other members, or the freaking founder”. “I’m just unhappy with the government.” No I’m not comparing AIP to the Klan, but you get the analogy. Look again. I know you want clarity, and I’m telling you that if MO(or Mrs. Biden for that matter) had the same secessionist ties, or contacts as TP, you and every other rightwinger would be raising hell about it, and questioning BO’s judgement in marriage. Is it possible that TP could be a member of a group whose founder was an anti-American secessionist, and had active secessionist members, but rejected that particular philosophy? Sure, I guess so. I do know that if MO had the exact same “relationships”, your ilk would be disgusted, or at least put on a show of disgust. I’m no psychic, and I could be wrong, but based on my experiences with the rigthwing, I doubt it. I’m not saying it’s wicked, or evil, or even bad, I just think it’s intellectually dishonest. It’s all about the team, I guess.

    I find it curious that you make a point to say “crazy secessionist” when you appear to defend them here:

    Michelle thinks this is a downright mean country, which she has only become proud of recently. I think that is definitely worse(emphasis added) than belonging to a secessionist group.

    That statement still blows me away, but whatever. It’s your opinion, I guess.

    As usual you trolls twist the words! Please show me where I said it was “cool”? Can’t find it? Hmmm! Still can’t find it? Look, creep, don’t put words in my box and attempt to “guess” what I’m thinking. Have you ever actually read any material or visited the website of this group? Because I wanted to get facts, I actually did. They are pretty ticked off about the Federal govt butting into their business, but last time I checked, they didn’t advocate any bombings or say they hate America. They disagree with the government. THere is a difference, but I know you just can’t see past your need for Obama to be President.

    I doubt you’d be this diplomatic if we were talking about a Biden, or an Obama, particularly MO. Take the last words if you want. I have nothing new to add on this thread.

    Good afternoon

  20. #512053
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm, flenser said:

    Sarah signs that return too. It is just as much her problem as his.

    The only person who thinks that she has a “problem” is an anonymous left wing troll on a blog, one who has made it abundantly clear that that he has all the intellectual honesty of a used car salesman. Or a laywer.

    So I’m going to go out on a limb and speculate that she is not losing much sleep over this.

    And as for not addressing Obama’s issues, I have often done so.

    Really? I suppose that’s why you did not do so on this thread. You were tired of responding. If you’d care to link to the thread where you DID respond?

    Otherwise I’ll have to keep asking you.

  21. #512086
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 12:57 pm, flenser said:

    Take the last words if you want. I have nothing new to add on this thread.

    That was the case several hundred comments ago. If only you had realised it back then.

    I’m telling you that if MO(or Mrs. Biden for that matter) had the same secessionist ties, or contacts as TP, you and every other rightwinger would be raising hell about it, and questioning BO’s judgement in marriage.

    We don’t NEED to question MO’s ties, because Obama HIMSELF has much clearer and longer lasting ties to people far worse than the AIP.

    It’s amazing that you people can get worked up (all right, I know you’re only pretending) about Todd’s connections to the AIP, while at the same time refusing to give rats pattotie about Barack Obama’s much more significant ties to people like Wright and Ayers and Dohrn. People who make the AIP look like the Girl Scouts.

    And by “amazing” I don’t mean I’m surprised, because I know the level of dishonesty you are capable off. I mean amazing in the sense that I cannot understand how you can degrade yourself like this in the pursuit of power. Have you no sense of shame? Is there no level of cyncism or dishonesty to which you will not sink? Is there no price in terms of your personal integrity too high to pay?

  22. #512099
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 1:06 pm, flenser said:

    I just think it’s intellectually dishonest. It’s all about the team, I guess.

    Stop projecting your own faults onto the rest of the world. We are far harsher critics of people on our “team” than you are of people on yours.

    If McCain had the associations which Obama does he’d never have gotten within a light year of the GOP nomination. He’d never have become a Senator. We police our side very well. How come you don’t do the same in your party?

  23. #512129
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm, chapoutier said:

    Really? I suppose that’s why you did not do so on this thread. You were tired of responding. If you’d care to link to the thread where you DID respond?

    Otherwise I’ll have to keep asking you.

    I will answer what I want when I want and if you care to seek out other threads with me commenting you are welcome to do so on your own time. it is not my job to catch you up on my 15 months or so worth of posting here.

    And corkie, if you knew the standard why did you fail to even begin to state it correctly? You failed to even demonstrate you know the difference between revenue and profit. I am sure you are all super fancy with your tax returns and that is cool, but it is also people like you that are the reason our codes and regs and rulings and case law extend page after page after page. You try to get too cute by half, so the Treasury or the Service has to come in and make new, more specific regs to try to beat down the people who are gaming the system.

    It’s easy to tailor expenses to show profitability during certain years. That’s why revenue basically becomes the defacto standard.

    I notice when you say this it says nothing to the fact of whether or not you actually are in a business or whether you are engaging in a hobby. It is all about manipulating the standards, isn’t it?

  24. #512160
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pm, corkie said:

    On October 23rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm, chapoutier said:

    it is also people like you that are the reason our codes and regs and rulings and case law extend page after page after page. You try to get too cute by half, so the Treasury or the Service has to come in and make new, more specific regs to try to beat down the people who are gaming the system.

    You might be surprised to learn that I partially agree with you on this.

    One problem in this country is that we now have so many laws that people tend to think legal=ethical. I personally know plenty of wall street examples which painfully exemplify this.

    To some extent over-regulating certain activities can cause this (I’m NOT making a case for deregulation here).

    The tax code is a great example. It’s a disgrace. It is by far the worst regulating instrument in this country. And it is so detailed, so controlling, that it’s silly to think that something which doesn’t violate the code shouldn’t be considered unethical.

    I notice when you say this it says nothing to the fact of whether or not you actually are in a business or whether you are engaging in a hobby.

    Plainly speaking, what’s the difference? Obviously not enjoyment level. I LOVE my business more than most people like their hobbies. On the other hand, some people probably run their hobbies more business-like than a many business owners. You tell me, plainly speaking.

    It is all about manipulating the standards, isn’t it?

    I appreciate this comment – seriously, and I’ll admit partial guilt here. I don’t engage in neutralizing techniques, but I’ve sat and thought long and hard about many, many tax issues – and if the tax code wasn’t such a disaster it would be much easier to draw lines.

  25. #512232
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 2:55 pm, happy2behere said:

    Again, there are people on this thread that talk tax like they are professionals. They do not give their credentials and we would have no way of checking if they did. Even if they uses references like the book Fleeced by Dick Morris, page 23(Obama’s prejected tax increases) check it out, I did. Do not take what anybody says here as accurate and by all means run all information you have received in any conversation by your own tax professional.

  26. #512236
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 2:57 pm, chapoutier said:

    Do not take what anybody says here as accurate and by all means run all information you have received in any conversation by your own tax professional.

    Spoken like a true lawyer :) (Not sure if you are one, just sayin…)

  27. #512600
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 5:53 pm, azvoter said:

    Great pictures. I would like to know how much others spend on their work clothing. She had no time to prepare and her Alaska wardrobe was probably quite warm to wear on the campaign trail. I love Sarah Palin!!!!!

  28. #512628
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 6:21 pm, watershed said:

    And it gets EVEN BETTER!

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/wardrobe-mysteries-linger/

    Gist: many of the stores where robo-caller Jeff Larson supposedly bought clothing for Sarah Palin have NO RECIEPTS for the purchases and do not recall any purchases of that nature.

    So here’s the apparent incredible storyline-

    1) $150,000 for a month’s worth of clothing for Sarah Palin? Wha…?

    2) Wait. NOT $150,000 and maybe Jeff Larson, scumbag robo-caller is doing some under the table accounting? And for WHAT exactly?

    We are through the looking glass here, people. Truly awesome.

    I wanna to at least thank you guys for the most entertaining campaign in my lifetime. What a dog and pony show.

  29. #513022
    On October 24th, 2008 at 2:08 am, love2rumba said:

    Ok let’s put our clothes on and go on to another subject, please.

  30. #513246
    On October 24th, 2008 at 9:30 am, Digshot said:

    Nice spin Navywife. I never called TP a crazy secessionist in my post directed to you. I called him a secessionist in posts addressed to other people because I think it’s like saying “I joined the Klan, but I have no problem with minorities, unlike some other members, or the freaking founder”. “I’m just unhappy with the government.” No I’m not comparing AIP to the Klan, but you get the analogy. Look again. I know you want clarity, and I’m telling you that if MO(or Mrs. Biden for that matter) had the same secessionist ties, or contacts as TP, you and every other rightwinger would be raising hell about it, and questioning BO’s judgement in marriage. Is it possible that TP could be a member of a group whose founder was an anti-American secessionist, and had active secessionist members, but rejected that particular philosophy? Sure, I guess so. I do know that if MO had the exact same “relationships”, your ilk would be disgusted, or at least put on a show of disgust. I’m no psychic, and I could be wrong, but based on my experiences with the rigthwing, I doubt it. I’m not saying it’s wicked, or evil, or even bad, I just think it’s intellectually dishonest. It’s all about the team, I guess.

    That’s not all. Can you imagine if Michelle Obama had been caught red-handed stealing medicine from a children’s charity to get high? Or what if Obama had carried on an affair with Michelle while still married to his injured wife? Or how about if Obama had a teenage daughter that got knocked up out of wedlock?

    We would never hear the end.

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