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1. #1
   On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:15 am, MDH3 said:

   With all due fealty to your magnificence, Michelle, should your headline not read “Soros funding pro-Obama Cafeteria Catholics”?

2. #2
   On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:17 am, seveneleventy said:

   It’s a disgrace that anyone who calls themselves a Catholic, would support someone like Senator Obama, a pro-abortion pos.

3. #3
   On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:18 am, kcnut said:

   Soros is scum. Also obama hate life.

4. #4
   On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:19 am, DougT said:

   I’m looking forward to the establishment of the MiniLove, MiniTruth, MiniPax, and MiniPlenty in an Obama/Biden administration.

   They seem well on their way to redefining the language. I can foresee the “Abortion is Life!” bumperstickers on family subcompact cars (“Small is Safe!”) everywhere in a couple of years.

5. #5
   On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:21 am, englishqueen01 said:

   It’s Orwellian, really. My money says folks who follow the actual teaching of the Church – that abortion is intrinsically evil – will be punished under an Obama administration.

   I, for one, savor every Sunday it’s still legal for me to attend Mass at an orthodox parish. Those days are swiftly coming to an end, I fear (same for orthodox Lutherans, Jews, and others). The First Amendment will not protect us under President O.

   You know, in the name of “change” and “hope” and “unity” and all that.

6. #6
   On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:23 am, tre said:

   1 John 2:4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

   Those who call themselves “Christian”, yet do not really follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, may not really be Christian.
   They should read the Bible more closely.

7. #7
   On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:23 am, jencab said:

   I admire Archbishop Chaput and wish there were more Archbishops and priests like him. I as a Catholic am astounded at anyone from my religion to support Obama.
   The guy supports infanticide for crying out loud! Who in their right mind, as a Catholic or Christian of any denomination, support that kind of man who is supportive of abortions of all kind? Frankly, how disgusting is that!?

8. #8
   On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

   If Obama is pro-life then I am the Queen of Sheba.

9. #9
   On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 am, Flyoverman said:

   Mark 12:17

10. #10
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 am, englishqueen01 said:

    jencab:

    Those “Catholics” who support Obama operate under the assumption that issues like wealth redistribution, or ending the war, or “social justice” are more important than life.

    Nothing is. The Church’s teaching on abortion has always been, and always will be, explicitly clear: it’s a grave, intrinsic evil. And there is no excuse for it.

    The other issues – from the death penalty to war – all have parameters under which they are allowable.

    The same can’t be said for abortion, try as they might.

    Normally, I’d say they’ll be sorry when Obama’s volunteer corps shuts down their parish, but chances are those that are in the bag for Obama will get a pass from their secular messiah.

    The rest of us – including pro-life doctors, nurses, and pharmacists – are S.O.L.

11. #11
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 am, jangar said:

    Evil will stop at nothing.

12. #12
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 am, ajmontana said:

    Perfect time for this little clip.

    Obama makes flubber look like jello.

13. #13
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 am, Misscheryl said:

    Jangar – you nailed it!

14. #14
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:35 am, Misscheryl said:

    I had a discussion with a pro-obama “Christian” yesterday. It was pretty interesting that her view was it was the Christian thing to do to take from the wealthy and give to the poor. Sheesh! No clue! Course, I won’t tell you what race she is.

15. #15
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:40 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good and Catholics United funded by an anti-Semitic Jew? Throw in John Podesta, who runs the Soros-funded organization, Center for American Progress and you have a real slim pit.

    But this was all predicted, wasn’t it?
    

    Psalm 106:38
    They shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was desecrated by their blood.

    Canaanites all.

16. #16
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:42 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    It was pretty interesting that her view was it was the Christian thing to do to take from the wealthy and give to the poor. Sheesh! No clue! Course, I won’t tell you what race she is.

    I’m afraid the color of skin matters very little here. That’s just an ignorant statement. Period. I can’t think of any other group of people who seriously devote their time and money to ministries and various other causes.

    I don’t know how many times or in how many different ways it should be framed but government intrusion is not the solution to the problem. It is the problem.

17. #17
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:43 am, sausage said:

    My money says folks who follow the actual teaching of the Church

    And yet the war in Iraq and the death penalty are supported by cafeteria Catholics, despite what the church teaches. Funny that.

18. #18
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:46 am, jangar said:

    2 Peter 2:1

19. #19
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 am, jangar said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:43 am, sausage said:

    Pay no attention to the drive-by commenter. Religion perplexes him.

20. #20
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:49 am, txvet2 said:

    He’s got his tentacles everywhere.

    I wonder how much of that 6-700 million Obama raised came out of Soros’s pocket?

21. #21
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:52 am, Misscheryl said:

    Actually 30 that is how I framed my response to her. I don’t think race or skin color should matter at all and it is ignorant that it does. However, each and every African American I know endorses Obama and the reasoning my friend here gave me here is just another example how those that I personally know will twist and turn any excuse to support, but in all honesty it has everything to do with their race.

22. #22
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:52 am, et said:

    These Catholics should really borrow the ‘K’ from kill and spell their religion Katholic. They have nothing in common with the church in Rome.

23. #23
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 am, conservativesRus said:

    At the risk of offending some, I submit that it matters very little exactly what the teaching of “the church” might be. What matters is what GOD thinks. And we don’t have to guess what GOD thinks. He’s told us very plainly in His written word. Life is sacred. It’s so sacred, that life was required as a sacrifice for sin. Not vegetables, not acts of penance, but life. Fortunately for us, that life was given so that we might live.
    Please note – I didn’t say the teachings of the church were wrong – just God’s laws as revealed in scripture, supersede ALL others.

24. #24
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:43 am, sausage said:
    My money says folks who follow the actual teaching of the Church
    And yet the war in Iraq and the death penalty are supported by cafeteria Catholics, despite what the church teaches. Funny that.

    I guess you are right, sausage. Catholics should unite with Code Pink to shut down all military recruiting installations. It would serve them good. You know, enjoying the freedoms -one of which, the freedom to practice their religion and then railiing against those who provide it. What a great idea!

    As for the death penalty, you show me where in the Bible the death penalty isn’t supported. And if you insist on quoting the sixth commandment, please get it right. Thanks.

25. #25
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:55 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    left-wing Catholic groups.

    I can say with absolute certainty that this is an oxymoron.

    A Catholic does not support any kind of abortion. Period.

26. #26
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:56 am, jangar said:

    These Catholics should really borrow the ‘K’ from kill and spell their religion Katholic. They have nothing in common with the church in Rome.

    Selfish ambition and political expediency.

    “You shall know them by their fruit”

27. #27
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:56 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    I love and believe in my God, the Church, not so much. Years ago, I served at my local Church. It used to stand for something. Now everything is negotiable as long as you pays your money. When we moved to a different parish, the first thing they cared about, was the census, not about my family or me. I received a bunch of envelopes with suggested amounts checked off for the tithe (how presumptuous). I threw them all in the wastebasket. It’s no different than the strong arm marketing of the United Way or other huge charitable organizations who’ve lost their way. It’s all about the money. Too many hucksters. I miss my old Church as a child, it was special. I just can’t seem to find that feeling any more, and it pains me no end.

28. #28
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:57 am, pueblo1032 said:

    The best thing to happen is the calling out of Catholics from the Archbishop of Denver, CHAPUT… This should be food for thought for a lot of so called CAFETERIA CATHOLICS out there…

29. #29
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:52 am, Misscheryl said:
    Actually 30 that is how I framed my response to her. I don’t think race or skin color should matter at all and it is ignorant that it does. However, each and every African American I know endorses Obama and the reasoning my friend here gave me here is just another example how those that I personally know will twist and turn any excuse to support, but in all honesty it has everything to do with their race.

    Democrats have the black vote (voting bloc) sewn up year after year. This is no different and we all know that. The focus is slightly different because they are voting for a “black” man but no one should be surprised by the fact that black people are voting Democrat, yet again in this election.

30. #30
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 am, Dexter Alarius said:

    The Church’s teaching has not changed, nor has the Pope said that it has. The Catechism and the Pope state that the state has the right to exact the death penalty. Nations have the right to just war and individuals have the right to self-defense.

    But abortion is always evil.

31. #31
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 am, conservativesRus said:

    Spot on.

32. #32
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 9:59 am, englishqueen01 said:

    And yet the war in Iraq and the death penalty are supported by cafeteria Catholics, despite what the church teaches. Funny that.

    Are you iliterate? Or just willfully ignorant?

    Re-read what I wrote and then, sausage, pick up a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

    Or, forget it, and read this:

    Article 5: The Fifth Commandment

    Abortion

    2270
    Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person—among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72

    Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.73

    My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.74

    2271
    Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

    You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.75

    God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.76

    2272
    Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,”77 “by the very commission of the offense,”78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

    2273
    The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

    “The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being’s right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death.”80

    “The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child’s rights.”81

    On the other hand, the Church understands that the death penalty is necessary in certain cases:

    Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

    If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity with the dignity of the human person.

    Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm—without definitively taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself—the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically non-existent.”68

    Rare, yes. Non-existent, possibly . But not forbidden as is abortion.

    Same with war:

    All citizens and all governments are obliged to work for the avoidance of war.

    However, “as long as the danger of war persists and there is no international authority with the necessary competence and power, governments cannot be denied the right of lawful self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed.”106

    This “just war” criteria can often not be fully judged until history unfolds; given the treatment of Christians and Catholics in Muslim countries, I think the argument of a legitimate defense gets stronger over time.

    So nice try, but FAIL.

    Don’t you dare nitpick Catholic teaching with me, as you clearly don’t know or understand what you’re talking about.

33. #33
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:03 am, FamilyMan said:

    OH GOODIE!
    Old Georgie boy is playing in the Holy water again.

34. #34
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:06 am, FamilyMan said:

    Sausage doesn’t understand that we all live in a dualist theology. In the constraints of this existence we make decisions on our view of the creator. His fear is we will impose our moral high ground to his obvious limited perverse and socially destructive lifestyle.

35. #35
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:07 am, Craig said:

    A Catholic does not support any kind of abortion. Period.

    Nancy Pe loser, for some reason, still clings to the idea that she is one.

36. #36
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 am, DougT said:

    90% of African-Americans vote Democrat. It really doesn’t matter who is on the ticket.

37. #37
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 am, DougT said:

    30 already said that about the traditionally Democratic black vote. My bad.

    I was busy reading all of this stuff that sausage stirred up. How to justify violence in the light of a New Testament world. I find that topic of debate pretty fascinating.

38. #38
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 am, sausage said:

    I agree with the church on Abortion – but nothing will be done on that matter by McCain or Obama… Bush was useless. Nothing changed, nothing will by any president.

    I agree with the church that the Iraq war was “a Defeat for Humanity” and a war that could not be morally or legally justified.

    Obviously you disagree with the church.

    As for the death penalty, you quite clearly ignore what it says:

    cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender ‘today … are very rare, if not practically non-existent.’

    I suggest you talk to your priest as you are obviously having trouble understanding the Catechism.

39. #39
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 am, nyc123me said:

    “To suggest – as some Catholics do – that Senator Obama is this year’s ‘real’ prolife candidate requires a peculiar kind of self-hypnosis, or moral confusion, or worse,” said the archbishop,

    Nothing peculiar about it – they have been bought by Soros. I suggest excommunication for those responsible in spreading this blatantly obvious lie.

40. #40
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:25 am, right4life said:

    I agree with the church that the Iraq war was “a Defeat for Humanity” and a war that could not be morally or legally justified.

    but people like you have no moral qualms with saddam hussein butchering, gassing, raping, and torturing his own citizens…so very ‘holy’ of you…,.

    As for the death penalty, you quite clearly ignore what it says:

    the death penalty is supported from genesis to the NT…try romans 13…

41. #41
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:30 am, FamilyMan said:

    sausage said:
    I agree with the church on Abortion – but nothing will be done on that matter by McCain or Obama… Bush was useless. Nothing changed, nothing will by any president.

    Are you really that uneducated? Have you ever heard of activist courts and who appoints the judges.
    GEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!
    Go back to your civics class.

42. #42
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:45 am, englishqueen01 said:

    I suggest you talk to your priest as you are obviously having trouble understanding the Catechism.

    Har. That’s a laugh. I know liberals, who think the words “separation of church and state” appear somewhere in the First Amendment have trouble with reading comprehension.

    I don’t.

    It says it’s “rare” to “practically non-existent” (I’d like you to show where I denied or hid that language), but neither of those is the same thing as never allowable…which is the case with abortion.

    “Rare” means not happening often. The adjective “practically” modifies the phrase “non-existent” to leave leeway for the death penalty to be applied.

    Which is what my original argument said.
    Again, apples v. oranges. The Catechism makes it explicitly clear: abortion is always wrong, always evil, and never acceptable.

    War – and the death penalty – are allowable under certain conditions.

    Yet another point for EQ. Keep trying.

43. #43
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 am, eaglehaslanded said:

    Obama leads by 12% among Catholics, a huge number based on his position on abortion.

    http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1604.html

44. #44
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:48 am, mattmillercr said:

    sausage said:
    I agree with the church on Abortion – but nothing will be done on that matter by McCain or Obama… Bush was useless. Nothing changed, nothing will by any president.

    President Bush did a lot for the Pro-Life cause – what he could accomplish in my mind:

    1) Appointed two constructionist Superme Court judges who could overturn Roe v. Wade – thus allowing states to decide.

    2) Signed the “Born Alive Infant Protection Act” passed by Congress. By the way – Senator Obama voted against this bill in the Illinois Senate. Why? He says a law already existed. ?!?! He could not bring himself to vote for it even though it WOULD clarify existing law and have the affect to STOP what was already happening UNDER existing law – aborted infants still alive were left to die. No-one can excuse Senator Obama’s actions nor position in this matter.

    3) Signed the Partial Birth Abortion Ban into law.

    4) Advanced the pro-life agenda by continually offering support where he legally could make a difference.

    This is an important point – Even when President Bush had a Republican congress, he realistically could not advance an “abortion ban” type of bill because the US Senate would not approve it as it lacked the 60 votes required to pass. Plain and simple his hands were tied to some point for advancing significant legislation.

45. #45
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:52 am, mattmillercr said:

    “THAT IS THE SOUND OF INEVITABILITY…”

    We all must see that a President Obama may have a fully democratic congress with entirely full power – potentially even 60 or more Democratic Senators. There will be NO check on power.

    Senator Obama himself said “the first thing I’d do as President would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act” (FOCA) which will strip ALL current morally responsible restrictions on abortion.

    Also, a President Obama will likely have the chance to appoint 2-3 Supreme Court judges – of which will obviously be

    It’s frightening of the inevitabilities that may occur with a President Obama.

    A President McCain will have a power check. He will veto any FOCA legislation and would appoint 2-3 constructionist judges in his term – offering long term potential for Pro-Life legslation and court opinions.

    See my blog:

    Iowa Catholic Vote – responding to the Catholic “Faithful Citizenship” teaching.

    And the specific post:
    That is the sound of inevitability . . . Applied Faithful Citizenship

46. #46
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:58 am, txvet2 said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 am, sausage said:

    I agree with the church that the Iraq war was “a Defeat for Humanity” and a war that could not be morally or legally justified.

    The Catholic Church has no responsibility for the survival and wellbeing of the United States, nor does it have any apparent interest. We are not all Catholics, and frankly could not care less about your catechism. We’ll still defend you, even if you won’t participate. Abortion, on the other hand, is a universal evil. The Catholic Church’s condemnation or acceptance doesn’t change that and and in any case is immaterial to the majority of us.

47. #47
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 am, txvet2 said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 am, eaglehaslanded said:

    Obama leads by 12% among Catholics, a huge number based on his position on abortion.

    Not when you consider that a large chunk of those Catholics are legal and illegal Hispanics.

48. #48
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 11:03 am, sambo said:

    “practically non-existent”

    Well sausage, there were 42 people executed in 2007 out of 305 million in the US. Thats 1.3770491803278688524590163934426e-7 percent, which is pretty low…I would say “practically non-existent”!

49. #49
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 11:04 am, txvet2 said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:52 am, mattmillercr said:

    It is curious beyond imagining that Obama’s intent is to give primacy to signing legislation that will first and foremost serve to reduce that population in which he claims membership – blacks. Fratricide, thy name is Obama.

50. #50
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 11:25 am, T J Green said:

    Obama is no Christian and he is a clear defender of the death penalty for innocents.

51. #51
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 am, seveneleventy said:

    “sausage” is a very appropriate name!

52. #52
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 11:55 am, figgles said:

    Soros = snake in Esperanto.

53. #53
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 12:03 pm, DBNinKY said:

    On October 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 am, sausage said:

    I agree with the church that the Iraq war was “a Defeat for Humanity” and a war that could not be morally or legally justified.

    I am not Catholic, but doesn’t the fact that there are abortion advocates within the church (like the elderly nun who supports Obama) negate your entire premise?

54. #54
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 12:23 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    I am not Catholic, but doesn’t the fact that there are abortion advocates within the church (like the elderly nun who supports Obama) negate your entire premise?

    He can’t be bothered with such logic, DBNinKy.

    It’s cafeteria Catholicism at it’s best.

55. #55
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 12:38 pm, rocketman said:

    No real Christian (Catholic or not) will vote for a candidate (Obama / democrats / RINO’s) who supports abortion and infanticide.

    Those who vote for pro abortion (not “pro choice”) candidates need to read their Bible and see what God says about this. They will also get to explain the “nuances” of their abortion supporting position to Him when we stand before Him on the final day.

    “I AM THE LORD–I CHANGETH NOT.”

    John Bibb

56. #56
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 pm, Misscheryl said:

    As an Eastern Orthodox Christian, I’ll not engage in the specifics of this thread except to say, I don’t see how a Christian voting for Obama can be true to Christian tenants, commandments or statutes. Therein lies the thought behind my post above re: race. I know many people, regardless of color who are race/nationality first, faith second. They are true to their political views first, faith second. Orthodoxy teaches us to stay out of politics…even to engage in political arguments are all for naught.

57. #57
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 12:56 pm, b-cat said:

    It is called Subversion and is favored tactic #2 of the International Communist movement. #1 being force of arms.

58. #58
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 1:12 pm, Trollman said:

    In a question related to abortion, Obama said it was “above his pay grade.”

    On Nov. 4th, let’s keep it above his pay grade by voting McCain/Palin 08.

59. #59
    On October 22nd, 2008 at 11:16 pm, Danceswithdachshunds said:

    In case it wasn’t mentioned yet, I just looked at a startling number in the IBD/TIPP polls showing that 7 out of 10 atheists favor Obama; his strongest polling group outside of black people and MSM.
    Religion/BHO%/McCain%
    Protestant/39/49
    Catholic/46/41
    Other Christian/38/52 (Orthodox, Baptist, Mormon, etc.)
    Jewish/59/23 (how sad…)
    Other/56/34 (Scientology, Black Lib Theol., Voo Doo, etc.)
    ->NONE/73/13<-

    So… what is it exactly that atheists like so much about Obama? You’d think they would have balked at all that Messiah stuff?

    If you know any Catholics for Obama – tell them that it is a sin to align themselves with atheists. That just might be enough to wake up some of them. Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas…

60. #60
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 8:35 am, Trollman said:

    Danceswithdachshunds, it has been a well kept secret by the media that when atheists turn out, it always benefits the Democrats.

61. #61
    On October 23rd, 2008 at 11:36 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    You Want Fairness?

62. #62
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:49 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Obama’s Affinity to Cold-Blooded Killers