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1. #518876
   On October 28th, 2008 at 4:51 pm, sonofdy said:

   Who was he digging it up for???

   Obama’s crowd of course.

2. #518884
   On October 28th, 2008 at 4:56 pm, letget said:

   Oh boy, this is good news. Sock it to her!
   L

3. #518885
   On October 28th, 2008 at 4:56 pm, GDSuffern said:

   Not to be confused with an astroturfer, I wanted to post this here. It was from Hillbuzz via PUMAPac.
   ENJOY!
   ****

   October 27, 2008 at 5:04 am

   Ok, I want to clear my conscious a little. Hopefully you could make a blog post to help some fellow clinton supporters out.

   I work for a campaign and can’t wait for this week to be over.

   I was doing it for a job. I was not a fan of any candidate but over time grew to love HRC.

   The internal campaign idea is to twist, distort, humiliate and finally dispirit you.

   We pay people and organize people to go to all the online sites and “play the part of a clinton or mccain supporter who just switched our support for obama”

   We do this to stifle your motivation and to destroy your confidence.

   We did this the whole primary and it worked.

   Sprinkle in mass vote confusion and it becomes bewildering. Most people lose patience and just give up on their support of a candidate and decide to just block out tv, news, websites, etc.

   This surprisingly has had a huge suppressing movement and vote turnout issues.

   Next, we infiltrate all the blogs and all the youtube videos and overwhelm the voting, the comments, etc. All to continue this appearance of overwhelming world support.

   People makes posts to the effect that the world has “gone mad”

   Thats the intention. To make you feel stressed and crazy and feel like the world is ending.

   We have also had quite a hand in skewing many many polls, some we couldn’t control as much as we would have liked. But many we have spoiled over. Just enough to make real clear politics look scarey to a mccain supporter. Its worked, alough the goal was to appear 13-15 points ahead.

   see, the results have been working. People tend to support a winner, go with the flow, become “sheeple”

   The polls are roughly 3-5 points in favor of Barack. Thats due to our inflation of the polls and pulling in the sheeple.

   Our donors, are the same people who finance the MSM. Their interests are tied, Barack then tends to come across as teflon. Nothing sticks. And trust, there were meetings with Fox news. The goal was to blunt them as much as possible. Watch Bill Oreilly he has become much more diplomatic and “fair and balanced” and soft. Its because he wants to retain the #1 spot on cable news and to do that he has to have access to the Obama campaign and we worked hard at stringing him a long and keeping him soft for an interview swap. It worked and now he is anticipating more access. So he is playing it still soft.

   This is why nothing sticks.

   The operation is massive, the goal is to paint a picture that is that of a winner, regardless of the results.

   There is no true inauguration draft or true grant park construction going on. There will be a party, but we are boasting beyond the truth to make it seem like the election is wrapped up.

   Our goal is to continue to make you lose your moral. We worked hard at persuasion and paying off and timing and playing the right political numbers to get key republican endorsements to make it seem even more like it was over and the world was coming to an end for you all.

   There is a huge staff of people working around the clock, watching every site, blogs, etc. We flood these sites. We have had a goal to overwhelm.

   The truth is here. I could go on and on, but you get the picture.

   I am saying this because I know HRC was better for the country, and now realize this. I was too late by the time I connected to her. To me Barack was just a cool young dude that seemed like a star. I didn’t know him or his policies, but now I understand more than I care to and I realize his interests are more for him, and the DNC and all working like puppets with dean. I always thought a president wanted the better good for the country. The end result I see is everyone dependent on the government, this means more and more people voting for the DNC. This means the future is forever altered. I don’t see this as america, so I am now supporting John Mccain.

   Sarah Palin is a huge threat, and our campaign has feared her like you can’t imagine. If it seems unfair how she has been treated, well its because she has had a team working round the clock to make her look like a fool.

   this is a big conspiracy and I am so shocked that its not realized.

   We released a little blurb the other day that the Obama campaign was already working on reelection and now putting our efforts towards 2012. This was to make it seem like it was above us to continue caring about 2008. Trust me, its a lie. David is very smart, but its a sticky ugly not very truthful kind of intelligence.

   Its not over yet, but I think the machine is working. And its a hill to climb.

   I will be quitting my post on nov 5th and my vote will be for John Mccain. Fortunately, my position has been a marketing position and I don’t feel I had any part of anything I would feel guilty for. But I look forward to getting out of this as the negativity and environment upsets me.

   I wish you all well, and goodluck.

   PS my name is not really sarah. but I am a female and I understand your plight.

4. #518892
   On October 28th, 2008 at 4:58 pm, rambler said:

   Yes, yes, YES! Find all the would be “big brothers” and charge them all: fire them all! What are these people thinking? Snooping into someone’s background without a warrant because the individual asked a question is unamerican. Hugo Chavez must be laughing.

5. #518895
   On October 28th, 2008 at 4:59 pm, KB said:

   I don’t understand why anyone in the police departments would support Obama who’s friends include a cop-killer.

6. #518900
   On October 28th, 2008 at 5:02 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

   On October 28th, 2008 at 4:59 pm, KB said:
   I don’t understand why anyone in the police departments would support Obama who’s friends include a cop-killer.

   …but they do.

   GOOOOOOOOOO JOOOOOOOE!!!

   I’m Joe the plumber and I approve this message!

7. #518903
   On October 28th, 2008 at 5:04 pm, John Ansell said:

   Hacking into Palin’s computer, checking on average Joe who asked a question, where will it end?

8. #518906
   On October 28th, 2008 at 5:08 pm, Flyover State said:

   They’d better be getting some jail time.

9. #518907
   On October 28th, 2008 at 5:08 pm, walterc said:

   John Ansell said:

   Hacking into Palin’s computer, checking on average Joe who asked a question, where will it end?

   In the gulag if BO wins. I remember something about re-education camps coming out of the Ayers memoirs.

   How long do you think it will be before Ayers moves to D.C. after BO victory party? Secretary of Internal Security?

   Note to self. . .Load More Ammo.

10. #518912
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:10 pm, Chief RZ said:

    Czar of RE education and elimination.

11. #518913
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:11 pm, JustAThought said:

    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:04 pm, John Ansell said:
    Hacking into Palin’s computer, checking on average Joe who asked a question, where will it end?

    What makes you think it will end?

12. #518914
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:11 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    Hacking into Palin’s computer, checking on average Joe who asked a question, where will it end?

    It won’t. Don’t forget that Michael Steele’s privacy was violated by Chuckie Schumer’s office.

    Privacy for me, but not for thee.

13. #518915
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:11 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Perhaps we are witnessing a new crisis… I call it the sub-prime employment debacle.

14. #518916
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:11 pm, jeffshultz said:

    Hmmm. 13 years seniority… gone. Just like that.

    Think before you commit Gross Misconduct, people.

15. #518917
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:11 pm, farmgal said:

    Isn’t it interesting that there seems to be no lack of restraint when it comes to searching for info on Joe,but no one seems to have any interest when it comes to Obama’s birth records.

16. #518919
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:12 pm, FireBlogger said:

    Barack will pardon her and close that foolish loophole that hinders such infringement on opposition.

17. #518920
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:12 pm, wighttrasch said:

    speaking of ‘ammo’, I want to buy a handgun; any suggestions?

18. #518922
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:14 pm, farmgal said:

    That interestingly enough became sealed about the same time he went to go visit his sick grandmother,coincidence I think not.

19. #518923
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:14 pm, brooklyn red said:

    wighttrasch said:
    speaking of ‘ammo’, I want to buy a handgun; any suggestions?

    Quickly?

20. #518926
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:16 pm, mattm said:

    I guess she will be first in line for a job at the Obama administration. Senior dirt digger.

21. #518929
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:17 pm, corkie said:

    On October 28th, 2008 at 4:56 pm, GDSuffern said:

    No offense, but this doesn’t seem real. Either that, or the author is speculating quite a bit about aspects of the campaign outsider their purview.

22. #518930
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:17 pm, txvet2 said:

    I really want to know where all the right-wing computer experts are who are trying to hack into Obama’s computers to find his inside dope. No wait, that’s Biden. Never mind.

23. #518932
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:17 pm, wighttrasch said:

    well, I have some time, but I am seriously looking for input…

24. #518933
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:18 pm, Cosmo said:

    McConnell is an Obama donor. Check for her amount under “Mickey Mouse” or “Tony Romo.”

25. #518935
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:18 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    That interestingly enough became sealed about the same time he went to go visit his sick grandmother,coincidence I think not.

    I thought that interesting, too.

    Also, Berg’s lawsuit was dismissed, but not on the merits– only that he didn’t have standing. Imagine that, a private citizen doesn’t have standing to sue to have a Constitutional requirement enforced!

26. #518934
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:18 pm, vickisoup said:

    Good point, farmgal. They don’t want to investigate anything about Obama, starting with his birth certificate, then to his school records, college records, his medical records (a “note from his doctor”??!?!), his voting records, his baptism records, his any records at all. They do not care about anything but electing Obama. Period.

27. #518937
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:19 pm, Flyoverman said:

    mattm,

    She has has the requisite experience and she’s self-motivated.

28. #518938
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:19 pm, John Ansell said:

    How long do you think it will be before Ayers moves to D.C. after BO victory party? Secretary of Internal Security?

    I’m guessing Obama will be moving back to Chicago if elected.

29. #518939
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:19 pm, wighttrasch said:

    corkie; I thought so too; note the misspelling of ‘morale’.

30. #518943
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:21 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    That interestingly enough became sealed about the same time he went to go visit his sick grandmother,coincidence I think not.

    Birth records in Hawaii are private. He would have to make them available himself.

31. #518944
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:21 pm, brooklyn red said:

    txvet2 said:
    I really want to know where all the right-wing computer experts are who are trying to hack into Obama’s computers to find his inside dope…

    They are busy with Osama’s computers… (but methinks a common link will eventually be found).

32. #518946
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:22 pm, American Elephant said:

    This only explains ONE of the illegal inquiries into Joes records. Dont forget, there were many, including some from the Ohio Sec of State’s (D) office.

    I hope Joe can and does sue the guy for a violation of his civil rights.

33. #518948
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:23 pm, vickisoup said:

    I think BHO spent far more time in grandma’s attic with a shredder than he did holding the hand of his dearly beloved.

34. #518950
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:23 pm, jaya said:

    Good!
    It’s high time these natsy little leftists are held responsible for their actions. The leftists need to learn that as Rush says, “Actions have consequences.”

35. #518952
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:24 pm, Insomniac said:

    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:12 pm, wighttrasch said:
    speaking of ‘ammo’, I want to buy a handgun; any suggestions?

    Suggestions as to…make, model, caliber, revolver v. semi-auto…?

36. #518953
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:24 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I think BHO spent far more time in grandma’s attic with a shredder than he did holding the hand of his dearly beloved.

    Grandma lives in a condo. She’s seriously ill.

37. #518955
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:25 pm, babbledabble said:

    Nothing will happen to the person. Remember Obummer is going to win by any means necessary. So bend over but keep your mouth shut.

38. #518957
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:25 pm, brooklyn red said:

    AlohaGuy said:
    Birth records in Hawaii are private. He would have to make them available himself.

    Hmmmm, interesting. But doesn’t the law require proof of eligibility to apply for a job? And isn’t POTUS a job?

39. #518960
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    I think BHO spent far more time in grandma’s attic with a shredder than he did holding the hand of his dearly beloved.

    Yup, all those pictures of Mom and baby Barak in the hospital in Kenya. Gone.

40. #518961
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, Flyoverman said:

    And isn’t POTUS a job?

    Not if you are being annointed.

41. #518962
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:27 pm, Cosmo said:

    brooklyn red:

    Why not try the Kimber 1911 .45. I’m liking the SIS models, which are pretty accurate and come in variation for concealed or open carry.

    http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/sis/

    No, I don’t work for Kimber, but would love to for the employee discount!

42. #518963
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:27 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Hmmmm, interesting. But doesn’t the law require proof of eligibility to apply for a job? And isn’t POTUS a job?

    True, but presumably he has a US passport.

43. #518967
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:30 pm, brooklyn red said:

    and while I am at it, shouldn’t anyone running (applying) for office have to fill out an application, submit to a background check, and show ID.

44. #518968
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:30 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Yup, all those pictures of Mom and baby Barak in the hospital in Kenya. Gone.

    Yesterday was rubbish day. You guys should have asked me last week to go dumpster diving over there.

45. #518970
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:30 pm, mikepatr said:

    Mark my words… NONE of them will serve a day if they’re ever even convicted.

    Top democratic officials will push to have the charges dropped and threaten any prosecutor that dares to oppose them and does not immediately drop the charges. Scores of Obamabots will flood the prosecutors offices and local media outlets with thousands of phone calls and emails with cries of racism, corruption and malfeasance. Some lowlife Obama supporter will be first in line to offer her a high paying gig at his/her company.

    As Slim Picken’s used to say… They’re all in CAHOOTS!

46. #518973
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:32 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    Yesterday was rubbish day. You guys should have asked me last week to go dumpster diving over there.

    Hey, the Iranians proved that you can put together shredded documents with enough time and patience!

47. #518974
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:33 pm, John Ansell said:

    Well, there are 7 more days left so that means that we’ll have 7 more Gaffes from Binden. I hope he comes out and says: Man, I didn’t think this socialist could win but it looks like he’s going to pull it off. I quit.

    Note: That’s not counted as a gaffe.

48. #518976
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:34 pm, vickisoup said:

    A condo can have an attic.

49. #518979
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:36 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Cosmo said:
    brooklyn red: Why not try the Kimber 1911 .45. I’m liking the SIS models, which are pretty accurate and come in variation for concealed or open carry.

    Such a personal choice, no? and all that cleaning stuff, eww… perhaps a revolver, or two?

50. #518980
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:37 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    If he’s sentimental, he might have saved one pic for his wallet.

51. #518982
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:37 pm, John Ansell said:

    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:30 pm, AlohaGuy said:
    Yup, all those pictures of Mom and baby Barak in the hospital in Kenya. Gone.
    Yesterday was rubbish day. You guys should have asked me last week to go dumpster diving over there

    Ha, Dumpster muffin should worry!

52. #518985
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:38 pm, Regulus said:

    No doubt McConnell thought she was doing a public service by privately vetting Joe the Plumber. If she uncovered any dirt on him, she figured that the illegality of the what she did would be at least justified if not rewarded in the New Order.

    It’s all part of the donkeys’ favorite debate tactic: changing the subject. If you question Hopenchange in public, you soon find yourself spending most of your time trying to prove a negative: typically, “I’m not a racist.”

    In this instance, McConnell’s aim was to find a way to force Joe the Plumber to “prove” that he’s not a tax cheat, or a wife beater, or a drunk driver, or whatever the illegal records access may have revealed about him.

    Of more long-term significance, Joe the Plumber is actually “Joe the Canary” — as in, Canary in the coal mine. For what has been done to him is going to become the rule if Hopenchange becomes el presidente of the New American Banana Republic.

    Say anything he, his minions or his cheerleaders in the State Media don’t like, and you’ll get the gradated response:

    - First, they’ll try to cut you off by starving you of a forum. No press coverage, and/or employing the “fairness” doctrine to deprive you of a non-Obama-friendly medium of expression.

    - If that doesn’t work, the next step is to summarily declare you to be “discredited” by media fiat, without actually addressing any facts that you have raised.

    - If that doesn’t work, they’ll dig into your past and into your supposedly sealed records to look for things to threaten you with by exposure.

    - If that doesn’t work, they’ll have you audited or investigated — as a shot across the bow warning of what might happen if you don’t shut up.

    - And finally, if that doesn’t work then they’ll look for some way to charge you and prosecute you.

    It will take brave souls indeed — like our blog hostess here — to stand up to the intimidation tactics. Because they’re coming just as surely as Joe Biden’s “manufactured crisis” for Hopenchange is coming in the event of his election.

53. #518989
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:39 pm, WaterBoyz said:

    Didn’t your mother always tell you that “if you play fair you will win” and “nice people finish first”.

    She LIED.

54. #518990
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:40 pm, Southpaw said:

    “Another one bites the bus.
    Another one bites the bus.
    And another one gone,
    and another one gone,
    another one bites the bus.”
    bump bump.

55. #518993
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:42 pm, wighttrasch said:

    yes to all, Insomniac.

    I have very delicate hands, though. And I’m not cutting my long nails.

56. #518997
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:45 pm, Cosmo said:

    brooklyn red:

    I’m just glad I live in a “free” state that allows me to run around packing. Just get something with stopping power and a large enough clip to actually prove useful…when shooting moose or elk or…

    I’m more of a shotgun guy, but I do see the virtue in owning a personal sidearm.

57. #519004
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:49 pm, misterbee241 said:

    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:11 pm, jeffshultz said:

    Hmmm. 13 years seniority… gone. Just like that.

    Think before you commit Gross Misconduct, people.

    What makes you think it’s gone? I’ll bet if she gets anything at all it will be a verbal or written reprimand. Meanwhile, the damage is already done.

58. #519011
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:52 pm, Insomniac said:

    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:42 pm, wighttrasch said:

    Delicate hands and long nails, eh? Let me think about this…

59. #519013
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:53 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Cosmo said: I’m more of a shotgun guy, but I do see the virtue in owning a personal sidearm.

    Well here in NYc, guns especially hand guns are verboten, but it seems that a lot of my neighbors are shotgun guys too… sawed off sweet sixteens are quite popular.

    juss sayin

60. #519015
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:53 pm, iowavette said:

    Wight, suggest a Beretta .22 auto with high velocity rounds. My better half tried to fit me with a nine in St. Louis but the noise level and the kick were unnerving even to a rock-ribbed republican of scots-irish persuasion. Plus I didn’t have the hand strength to chamber a round. The .22 is easy to load and chamber. The design is compact and attractive; a perfect dresser accessory. I have medium length natural nails. One target practice I was sporting travel-length gels. They didn’t get in the way. Shoot for the head where the round will enter but not maintain enough speed to exit. It thus rattles around inside resulting in an unsettling level of damage.

61. #519029
    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:58 pm, stacman said:

    Why not charge the entire Obama campaign staff? Does anyone really believe that this individual did it on her own behalf? Of course they put her up to it. James Carville has done far worse…

62. #519035
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:01 pm, iowavette said:

    We did buy my Mother a lightweight shotgun for a remote acreage where they have a cabin. She loves it. It needs to reside behind doors or in a closet. Don’t know if you’re familiar with ‘naked’ motocycles which are attractive. The shotgun shares a similar design but is homely. No wood stock or anything, just the bare metal frame. Light weight. She likes the shotgun.

63. #519036
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:01 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    What makes you think it will end?

    It won’t end here folks. If Obama is elected, expect a lot more IRS Audits from critics, etc. This is only the beginning.

    That’s why you shouldn’t assume it’s over. It ain’t over until the polls close. GO OUT AND VOTE, and don’t take a defeatist attitude!

64. #519043
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:04 pm, wighttrasch said:

    I held a .38 & it felt good. I haven’t fired any handgun yet except for the .22 you mention–I wondered if it would have enough take-down power?

65. #519051
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:08 pm, Insomniac said:

    In terms of caliber, you should get the most potent round you’re comfortable firing. For self-defense, you’ll hear a lot of people say that you shouldn’t use any caliber that doesn’t start with a “4,” e.g. .45, .40S&W, etc. However, if you aren’t able to manage the recoil and won’t be able to put rounds on target, then you should use a lighter round. For a revolver, I wouldn’t go any lower than .38 Special. The recoil should be pretty manageable, even with delicate hands.

66. #519053
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:09 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:04 pm, wighttrasch said:

    I held a .38 & it felt good. I haven’t fired any handgun yet except for the .22 you mention–I wondered if it would have enough take-down power?

    I would recommend a .40. Fantastic round, and very accurate.

    .22’s do a lot of damage (Brady was shot by one). However, if you don’t hit the vital organs, then it’s not that efficient. Lots of damage, not often as lethal.

    Personally I can’t stand 9mms. Tough on the wrist, and inaccuarate. My favorite gun is my Colt National Match Gold Cup .45.

67. #519057
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:11 pm, iowavette said:

    It will get the job done without all the large caliber histrionics interfering with your aim. If the head, stomach or knees [or all of the above] take a hit, an intruder is typically done. It isn’t the movies where people take shots from nines and keep coming. The .22 is appropriate to the task.

68. #519059
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:11 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Recoil isn’t that bad with a .45 or a .40 (.22 not that bad at all — good for practice shooting, and cheap too!).

    Recoil is nasty with a .357 magnum. Holy cow do I have fatigue after 50 rounds of that.

69. #519065
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:16 pm, Cosmo said:

    iowavette said:
    

    Shoot for the head where the round will enter but not maintain enough speed to exit. It thus rattles around inside resulting in an unsettling level of damage.

    If I wasn’t already married to a similar woman…

70. #519072
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:21 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Moma writes to Julie
    But Julie can’t come home
    Moma writes to Julie
    But Julie can’t come home
    She’s been on the chain-gang too long
    pulling trains

    Poetic, ain’t it?
    Kudos to the Toledo Police.
    –
    Cosmo: Shot guns do get the attention and clear the room. Remington Model 870 8 shot.

71. #519073
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:21 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:12 pm, wighttrasch said:
    speaking of ‘ammo’, I want to buy a handgun; any suggestions?

    Three or four inch barreled .38 Special or .357 Magnum revolver. You can load it with light target wadcutter ammunition up through full-house magnum loads if you can handle the recoil. You should be able to find a good, used one at a gun show for around $200.00 or less.

    You can ask me more detailed questions here:
    http://theturkeyfootbrand.blogspot.com/

    ECS

72. #519081
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:23 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    BlameAmericaLast #66 said:
    Personally I can’t stand 9mms. Tough on the wrist, and inaccuarate. My favorite gun is my Colt National Match Gold Cup .45

    Your address and combination to your safe?
    Trust me.

73. #519085
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:24 pm, oldbuckaroo said:

    Call me old school but I’m sorta’ partial to an old 2nd generation SAA in .45 LC. ……
    Yeeeee Haw!

74. #519089
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:26 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    Call me crazy, but there’s something about a Colt Walker .44 revolver that commands respect.

    If you can lift it to shooting position that is.

75. #519092
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:27 pm, vickisoup said:

    Waaaaaaaaay off topic.

76. #519094
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:28 pm, oldbuckaroo said:

    Right you are vickisoup.

77. #519102
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:31 pm, oldbuckaroo said:

    Just hope and pray that that smooth talking Kenyan Marxist lawyer and his Dem allies don’t abolish the 2nd amendment before huntin’ season’s over.

78. #519109
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:32 pm, love2rumba said:

    Whitetrasch:

    I presume that when writing this you are not a convicted felon or on the run from the law.

    The handgun you should select should:

    1. Have been adopted for military/police service with an excellent track record for reliability in field/street conditions.

    2.Should be no less than .38 special for revolvers, and no less than .380acp
    (reason: general stopping power and availability of good hollow-point defensive ammo).

    3. It should feel like the gun is comfortable, and you are capable shooting at least 100 fmj target rounds of said caliber in a session without rest and without injury….you don’t want carpal tunnel or hyper-pronated thumb from firing a caliber that is too much for you to handle.

    As for the question of revolver or auto loader, my 20 years of handgunning experience has taught me that either a revolver or an autoloader is fine with experience-I can reload my .357magnum revolver AS FAST as I can any of my Glocks now..

    For a beginner though, reloading an autoloader is usually faster than with a revolver (unless you are using Safariland speedloaders with respect to a revolver).

    I like Glocks over any other battle-tested autoloader handgun (and revolvers) because with a punch or flattened nail, I can take my gun apart to replace ANYTHING that has worn out, and parts are readily available online from Glockmeister.com (where you can also get the videotape that will teach you how to assemble and disassemble your Glock down to replacing your trigger assembly)…Other gun makes are more difficult to completely take apart or get spare parts for like the Sig Sauer.

    4. Get out and test-fire a gun that you are interested in…if you enjoy shooting it, you will also PRACTICE with it to your benefit…and be interested in its proper maintainence.

    Now back to my studies of Advanced Macroeconomics….

79. #519121
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:39 pm, brooklyn red said:

    I am experiencing class envy… in NYC we are not allowed self defense (guns or otherwise). We fear OUR OWN government more than the street criminals… you all may also, and soon. Call me a racist if you wish, but we have grown accustom to surrendering our wallets to people who think that they are entitled to it.

80. #519125
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:41 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Your address and combination to your safe?
    Trust me.

    Oh, that’s my baby…got it in 1994. And yes, that one is in a safe. BIG safe.

    I have another .45 that I keep by the bedside…next to the taser.

81. #519127
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:44 pm, Mercy4Me said:

    I went to my local Walmart and bought me a no aim just shot 20guage Shotgun.

    come wit it boy

82. #519142
    On October 28th, 2008 at 6:58 pm, love2rumba said:

    brooklynredsaid:

    criminals… you all may also, and soon. Call me a racist if you wish, but we have grown accustom to surrendering our wallets to people who think that they are entitled to it

    That is exactly what I hope WE THE PEOPLE can prevent…. LA and NYC are harbingers of the future unless prevented.

83. #519152
    On October 28th, 2008 at 7:05 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Soros has verrry deep pockets, my friends…..verrrry deep….

84. #519155
    On October 28th, 2008 at 7:06 pm, brooklyn red said:

    love2rumba said:
    brooklynredsaid:

    criminals… you all may also, and soon. Call me a racist if you wish, but we have grown accustom to surrendering our wallets to people who think that they are entitled to it
    That is exactly what I hope WE THE PEOPLE can prevent…. LA and NYC are harbingers of the future unless prevented.

    rumba, please qoute me correctly… I said that we fear our government more than the street criminals…

85. #519158
    On October 28th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    speaking of ‘ammo’, I want to buy a handgun; any suggestions?

    wighttrash, go to the SigSauer website. Good weapons and if you are unlucky enough to live in CA or MA, it will let you know if that specific firearm will make it past “ScrewTheSecondAmendment Directorate.”

    A .40 caliber is pretty good. Bigger than 9mm with a bit more stopping power. A .45 is nice but, if you miss, it’s going to go through something.

    Get a .22 automatic for practice. Once you’re comfortable with it, you can move up to the .40 caliber. You’re accuracy will remain almost the same.

    Get a Louisville Slugger (33″, 33oz.) for the really close in work.

86. #519157
    On October 28th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, MrScribbler said:

    On October 28th, 2008 at 5:27 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Hmmmm, interesting. But doesn’t the law require proof of eligibility to apply for a job? And isn’t POTUS a job?

    True, but presumably he has a US passport.

    Just think: The whole controversy could have been ended in a moment if Osama Obama had simply ordered a genuine copy of the full birth certificate and released it. He could have made redactions if there was sensitive private info (can’t imagine what).

    Hell, I have a copy of mine, John McCain produced his when the Obamanoids were making a stink about it. Anyone could do that.

    But I guess that would start a precedent, and he’d have to release all the other records people wonder about, like Columbia transcripts, papers he may have written for Law Review, and so on and on.

    Damn! We’d actually know something factual about The Messiah. Of course he’d then be at 10% in the polls, but what the hell….

87. #519164
    On October 28th, 2008 at 7:09 pm, MrScribbler said:

    Oh, and as for firearms, I say: “When Osama Obama makes it illegal to have a gun, only Obama’s criminals will have guns….”

88. #519169
    On October 28th, 2008 at 7:12 pm, William Teach said:

    FYI, I searched the voter roll for Lucas County, Ohio, and the only Julie McConnell:

    MCCONNELL,JULIE,MARIE,,1970,05/18/1998,D,TOLEDO,OH,43612,,,, , ,,,,,,,,,,,09,06,,,,TOLEDO,TOLEDO 11J,48-P-AJH,02,49,11,,,WARD 11,X,X,,X,,X,,,,X,,,X,,,X,,,,,D,

    That D after the date denotes Party registration.

89. #519173
    On October 28th, 2008 at 7:14 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    …in NYC we are not allowed self defense (guns or otherwise).

    Wrong. They can regulate it, but they can’t stop it. That’s what the Heller decision says. Unfortunately, you’d have to be “damaged” by a law to fight it. So, you’d have to go get a firearm for personal defense and then get arrested. Then you could sue.