Finally: A newspaper condemns Ohio’s snoopers

Photoshop: David Lunde
On Sunday, I asked: Will the privacy champions come to Joe the Plumber’s defense? (link)
Still haven’t heard any outrage from the ACLU and the civil liberties champions at the New York Times over the government employee plundering of Joe The Plumber’s records. Have you?
The Columbus Dispatch has done good work uncovering the scandal. We now have a media-assisting Toledo Police clerk and the Obama-supporting head of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services identified as snoopers. In addition, authorities are probing searches of Joe’s records conducted by the Cuyahoga County DSS and an outside contractor with access to the Attorney General’s test account. (link)
In addition, driver’s-license and vehicle-registration data about Wurzelbacher were obtained from the Bureau of Motor Vehicles
This is unconscionable. Finally, a newspaper editorial board is saying so — and it’s the Columbus Dispatch. Good on them:
Gov. Ted Strickland should order his agency directors not to snoop on private citizens who land in the campaign spotlight. Such scrutiny could have a chilling effect on the willingness of people to stand up and be counted prior to elections.
It also undermines the confidence of all Ohioans that their state government is serious about protecting sensitive information…Ohio Inspector General Thomas P. Charles is investigating whether the data-checking was improper or illegal. Through public-records requests, The Dispatch has determined that there were at least four checks for records on Wurzelbacher. That sounds like an effort to dig up dirt.
Driver’s-license and vehicle-registration data about Wurzelbacher were obtained from the Bureau of Motor Vehicles. Also, the State Highway Patrol is investigating unauthorized access to data about Wurzelbacher in the attorney general’s office from a test account that the office shared with contractors who developed a computer network for the Ohio Association of Chiefs of Police.
Unauthorized and unjustified dredging of restricted government databases to find possibly embarrassing information on Americans simply for participating in democracy is unacceptable.
At the very least, Jones-Kelley should be reproved, and anyone who conducted an illegal search of Wurzelbacher’s records should be prosecuted.
I remind you again of what Obama mouthpiece Bill Burton said after the State Department passport breaches came to light: “Our government’s duty is to protect the private information of the American people, not use it for political purposes.”
How now, Billy boy?
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Privacy for me, not for thee.
And notice Burton has not made any such statements in Defense of Joe (nor has the Obama campaign for that matter).
Commendable and all too rare.
Guess ObieOne/Biden won’t be giving any interviews with the Columbus Dispatch.
They only need to stall, run around in circles, and lie a little while longer. If their savior wins, this type of search will become the norm.
What Obama mouthpiece Bill Burton said after the State Department passport breaches came to light:
What he meant:
Burton is an unctuous windbag.
I work for county government here in California. If I disclosed ANYTHING about an individual that I got from confidential records I would be FIRED. Disclosure such as what happened to Joe are a violation of federal privacy laws, state privacy laws, county and city privacy regulations. I wrote an entire policy handbook section on confidentiality for our staff.
These government workers in Ohio should be fired for abusing the trust that the PEOPLE put in them when they were hired. They have violated that trust, and therefore cannot be trusted ever again to follow the rules.
I hope Joe sues…big time. Not just the individual workers, but the political entities that hired them and supervised them.
He won’t have any trouble buying that plumbing business.
This is a non issue. It’s the economy, stupid.
We’re about to elect someone who wants to raise the maximum tax bracket from the present 35% to 37%, thereby creating a socialist state that snuffs out all our freedoms and puts the country into the hands of North Korean Islamofascists.
You know, there may be a silver lining in all of this, if we can finally convince the Left that IslamoFascism is a problem…
I mean, they’ve got MAD data mineing skills…. and somehow Barry’s information on his passport (which goes to citizenship) never got out, so they keep secrets better than our Intel guys….
Geez, I wonder what we’d find if we illegally searched lgm’s government records?
It’s nice to see at least one newspaper bucking The One and courageously reporting the facts. Of course this means they’re about to be blacklisted by the ObamaMessiah.
The invasion of a citizen’s privacy by law enforcement personnel and government officials who had no probable cause is a non-issue? I guess privacy only exists if you want your doctor to perform elective surgical procedures to terminate an inconvenient pregnancy.
Your kool-aide mustache is showing.
Please, everyone, set tivo, dvr and watch only ABC tonight.
Support ABC in giving the O the shove…
lgm must be ignored. He’s mentally ill.
I wouldn’t watch The One, even at gunpoint.
A gop college group should put out a video, re-enacting the Obama terrorist party….All the bad actors could be represented, and add Wright and Rezko too….You tube would run a really fun video…..
Come on kids show us your chops…..
What do you think will happen when your full medical history is in their hands under a nationalize health care?
fulldroolcup (#11)–I’m confused. In lgm’s posting (#8), he’s on the majority side here. His comments (the second paragraph had so much sarcasm–or cynicism–in it I had to wash my hands) did not deserve your vitriol.
Actually, if you’re referring to Obama, he’s planning on letting the Bush tax cuts expire, raising the top rate to 39.5%. In addition, when the Bush tax cuts expire, the capital gains and interest income rates will revert to previous levels, up to 39.5%. That’s before he passes any tax increases of his own. For instance, he plans on extending payroll tax deductions to all incomes, for another 13. I believe Heritage has done an analysis on his tax proposals, if you’d care to check. I’m reprising this from memory, so I might be off a few percentage points, but it’s the thought that counts, right? That doesn’t even include what the Democrats plan to do to 401k’s, which I bet might even affect you.
JT said: (#14)
I’m with you on that one.
-CantCureStupid
I think that was lgm’s best attempt at sarcastic humor. Sad part is, it makes about as much sense as the stuff he says when he’s being serious.
ahhh a watershed free zone… Lgm has his issues but watershed is just an Obama attack dog. ugh
Bill Burton is the biggest tool out there, and that includes Obiedopermann.
after the few clips I’ve seen him on with Megyn Kelly I don’t think he can sit down for a few years.. She has few chunks of his flesh as trophies on her mantle piece..
but the guy isn’t capable of independent thought.. he like a robot.. but not like Data from Star Trek; The Next Generation..
picture a steam powered android that, once primed, goes great for a few minutes.. then dies down and needs a few hours to build a good head of steam again.
and he looks like Seth Rogan with a spray on tan and has done way more pot than Seth has..
Agreed. Did you see Megyn Kelly eat his lunch yesterday? It was a thing of beauty.
Wonder if lgm gets any of that internet blogging cash from Obama?
Translation: Speak out against THE ONE, and we’ll ’spread the wealth’ of your personal information.
Glad to see you come aboard against Obama, lgm. Frankly, I’m surprised.
aj … agreed … Burton is a pompous A$$ … am tired of his filibustering questions asked of him on FNC and going into a non-stop tirade of BO talking points …
FNC needs to crack down on the guests they have from both sides that refuse to address the questions that are asked of them and go into filibuster mode …
If they won’t answer the questions they need to not be asked back … no matter who it is …
I have no problem with a “lively debate” on an issue or question … that is what I want to see and hear … valid points from both sides of an issue … but I am tiring of what is basically a waste of my time and the TV time with tools like Burton …
Alert: Troll diet
No Kevin, he is being a smart a$s, lying and needs to be ignored. But thankfully there ARE a few newspapers doing the work the big boys and Gray Whore will not.
Don’t feed the trolls?
FWIW:
I looked for other Ohio papers.
The Toledo Blade (Joe’s hometown paper) appears silent.
I was very disappointed to see that my local paper (The Cincinnati Enquirer) was silent.
I found the Akron Beacon Journal site too hard to get around in (sorry, I have dial-up), but it didn’t appear to have anything, though I might be wrong.
The Cleveland Plain Dealer, which has endorsed Obama, did take a backhanded swipe at the agency head. Here’s the editorial:
http://blog.cleveland.com/pdopinion/2008/10/a_mighty_fishy_fishing_trip_th.html#more
If you feel like ragging on the head of The Cincinnati Enquirer editorial board (David Wells), here’s his e-mail:
dwells@enquirer.com
I think it’s a disgrace that Ohio newspapers aren’t jumping in on this in uniform outrage.
AAJLDF–Average American Joe Legal Defense Fund>>>>>
Bill Burton and the rest of the Obama campaign, including Obama and his bitter wife, are hypocrites. They are a embarrassment to our country.
txvet2 …
I am glad to see someone besides me pointing out that all the BO numbers are bogus because of the fact that all his numbers are being put out based on the Bush tax cuts being in place but the fact is they will be applied against the old Clinton numbers that were pre-bush tax cuts … I keep telling people that want to compare the tax plans to use their Clinton numbers for BO and their current numbers for McCain … the difference is startling …
BO’s plans will bankrupt the country in 3 years or less.
Guys…it’s ok as long as they are an enemy of the state.
i.e. Joe the plumber
Please do not get enemies confused with islamist and domestic terrorist !
At the very least, Jones-Kelley should be
reprovedremovedThank you, Jesus!
Now, how about MSM exposure of this?
William Ayres, BroBamas neighbor and dinner host, does feel he will need to kill up to 25 million people who can not be re-educated.
Going through public records would facilitate such a plan. Fits nicely with Islam too–the Perfect Storm? Fifty seven gulags, one for each state, no waiting.
Don’t feed the trolls
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I hope Joe doesn’t sue them for too much money. He’ll end up having to redistribute a large portion of the settlement if he get’s over $250K
Ah, beat me to it ITookTheRedPill.
Jones-Kelly’s “reproof” will come at the end of a very large check from her personal finances in either a settlement or a civil judgment against her. The State does not have to cover her a** for this personal vendetta and the invasion of a private citizen’s privacy. I hope she loses everything. EVERYTHING!
Are you people still talking about that fraud?
Shouldn’t you all be worrying about the moonshine cooking in your living rooms?
The ACLU is busy right now…
ACLU sues ICE over access to info after raid
I’m sure the AMERICAN civil liberties union will come to AMERICAN Joe the Plumber’s defense soon.
yikes, didn’t the democrat party impeach president nixon over his minions breaking into private records of his opponents. my how the worm has turned.
LGM said:
Fine, then let me rifle through your personal life, see what dirt we can find, and let it ALL out…
Gotta hand it to the Dispatch…this time. They have a somewhat left-leaning propensity, but they realize that their PAYING SUBSCRIBERS live in the ‘burbs and vote R. Best not to piss off the people writing the checks.
Their media sister, WBNS-TV has no such worry.
I think the MSM is hedging their bets.
Don’t feed the trolls
Fixed it.
The searches were almost certainly illegal. More laws and directives from boss’s will not protect people or help ensure democracy.
This is why such records should not even be kept in most cases. Putting together a database is easy. Keeping people from being curious or even vindictive is impossible.
And some of you people don’t believe in the rack and Iron Maiden. That could get to the bottom of this.
I think the Obama admin will get to the bottom of finding out why this paper is condemning these actions.
I take it that you haven’t noticed lgm staining this blog for the past several months. As far as I’m concerned, that reprobate a$$wipe deserves whatever abuse he gets. God only knows why MM allows him to continue issuing forth on all of us. He claims that he is an intelligent “technical” person. That point is debateable. If he truly is intelligent, that is all he is (like a motie). He shows no wisdom, love, or compassion, but only spews hypocritical talking points. Many of us have eviscerated his “arguments” many many times, but he unashamedly continues to blow snot on almost every thread. He hits and runs… posting his little talking point straw-man arguments that are so very easy to knock down. Then doesn’t stick around to defend them.
One would think that he would be too embarrassed to continue ranting here; I know that I would be, if I had my tail kicked as often as we’ve kicked his. He just doesn’t seem to get it. No, I’ve decided that lgm is just stupid. In fact, he is so stupid that he doesn’t realize how stupid he really is. His lack of self-awareness brings to mind monkeys in the zoo doing things in full view of the public that should only be done in private, if at all. Just like them, lgm doesn’t realize that he should be ashamed. Right, lgm?
“In our age there is no such thing as ‘keeping out of politics.’ All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia.”
George Orwell
“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.”
George Orwell
Who needs the patiot act to invade privacy. One just needs to ask a question which makes the opposition cringe and voila; no search warrent necessary!
Then it WOULD be about more than the economy, it would be lgm crying for the ACLU to protect his privacy!
Our right to privacy is not to be compromised for anything, including our country’s safety . . . unless we do not toe the Lib Dem line and dare to question The One.
The same people who did this to him are outraged over wiretapping phone conversations with terrorists.
In Joe was far left moonbat and a Republican illegally get the info, then the ACLU would care.
Sheppard Smith blasts Joe the Plumber for saying a vote for Obama means death to Israel
Fox News attacking the beloved Saint Joe! Say it ain’t so!
“The Mote in God’s Eye” was one of the best scifi books I have ever read. The Gripping Hand was pretty good too.
Glad to see there are some fellow scifi nuts out there!
lgm is one of the little tiny ones, also.
Full spectrum invasion within 48 hours:
Department of Motor Vehicles, check
Family Services, check
Toledo Police Department, check
the biggie: Attorney General’s Police Chief’s database through a backdoor access point, check
The Attorney General’s db has been breached for four years!
It goes like this: if you have access to a database, expect to be offered cash for data by ‘consultants’. In other words, private investigators (remember all those Jim Rockford shows? “Hey Dennis, can you…”), political operatives and reporters.
Meanwhile, notice this: those that were caught were mousetrapped by software that noted an inquiry. You can be certain of two things:
1) databases without a mousetrap were also queried.
2) the almost certain chance that databases have mousetrap free backdoors, perhaps even for sale in a the largest markets (big cities)
Further red flag thoughts.
The Attorney General’s database was compromised by a backdoor on the Chief of Police NETWORK! For four years.
So do you figure that Chiefs have been snooping into the Attorney General? Or have some savvy lawyers checking out the competition? Or both?
How many investigations have mysteriously gone bad? How many wire taps turned out to be duds? How many cop sweeps didn’t get big fish?
Sorry this is long but worth the read.
Mr. Obama,
Given the uproar about the simple question asked you by Joe the plumber, and the persecution that has been heaped on him because he dared to question you, I find myself motivated to say a few things to you myself. While Joe aspires to start a business someday, I already have started not one, but 4 businesses. But first, let me introduce myself. You can call me “Cory the well driller”. I am a 54 year old high school graduate. I didn’t go to college like you, I was too ready to go “conquer the world” when I finished high school. 25 years ago at age 29, I started my own water well drilling business at a time when the economy here in East Texas was in a tailspin from the crash of the early 80’s oil boom. I didn’t get any help from the government, nor did I look for any. I borrowed what I could from my sister, my uncle, and even the pawn shop and managed to scrape together a homemade drill rig and a few tools to do my first job. My businesses did not start as a result of privilege. They are the result of my personal drive, personal ambition, self discipline, self reliance, and a determination to treat my customers fairly. From the very start my business provided one other (than myself) East Texan a full time job. I couldn’t afford a backhoe the first few years (something every well drilling business had), so I and my helper had to dig the mud pits that are necessary for each and every job with hand shovels. I had to use my 10 year old, 1/2 ton pickup truck for my water tank truck (normally a job for at least a 2 ton truck).
A year and a half after I started the business, I scraped together a 20% down payment to get a modest bank loan and bought a (28 year) old, worn out, slightly bigger drilling rig to allow me to drill the deeper water wells in my area. I spent the next few years drilling wells with the rig while simultaneously rebuilding it between jobs. Through these years I never knew from one month to the next if I would have any work or be able to pay the bills. I got behind on my income taxes one year, and spent the next two years paying that back (with penalty and interest) while keeping up with ongoing taxes. I got behind on my water well supply bill 2 different years (way behind the second time… $80,000.00), and spent over a year paying it back (each time) while continuing to pay for ongoing supplies C.O.D.. Of course, the personal stress endured through these experiences and years is hard to measure. I do have a stent in my heart now to memorialize it all.
I spent the next 10 years developing the reputation for being the most competent and most honest water well driller in East Texas . 2 years along the way, I hired another full time employee for the drilling business so that we could provide full time water well pump service as well as the well drilling. Also, 3 years along the path, I bought a water well screen service machine from a friend, starting business # 2. 5 years later I made a business loan for $100,000.00 to build a new, higher production, computer controlled screen service machine. I had designed the machine myself, and it didn’t work out for 3 years so I had to make the loan payments without the benefit of any added income from the new machine. No government program was there to help me with the payments, or to help me sleep at night as I lay awake wondering how I would solve my machine problems or pay my bills. Finally, after 3 years, I got the screen machine working properly, and that provided another full time job for an East Texan in the screen service business.
2 years after that, I made another business loan, this time for $250,000.00, to buy another used drilling rig and all the support equipment needed to run another, larger, drill rig. This provided another 2 full time jobs for East Texans. Again, I spent a couple of years not knowing if I had made a smart move, or a move that would bankrupt me. For the third time in 13 years, I had placed everything I owned on the line, risking everything, in order to build a business.
A couple of years into this, I came up with a bright idea for a new kind of mud pump, a fundamentally necessary pump used on water well drill rigs. I spent my entire life savings to date (just $30,000.00), building a prototype of the pump and took it to the national water well convention to show it off. Customers immediately started coming out of the woodworks to buy the pumps, but there was a problem. I had depleted my assets making the prototype, and nobody would make me a business loan to start production of the new pumps. With several deposits for pump orders in hand, and nowhere to go, I finally started applying for as many credit card as I could find and took cash withdrawals on these cards to the tune of over $150,000.00 (including modest loans from my dear sister and brother), to get this 3rd business going.
Yes, once again, I had everything hanging over the line in an effort to start another business. I had never manufactured anything, and I had to design and bring into production a complex hydraulic machine from an untested prototype to a reliable production model (in six months). How many nights I lay awake wondering if I had just made the paramount mistake of my life I cannot tell you, but there were plenty. I managed to get the pumps into production, which immediately created another 2 full time jobs in East Texas . Some of the models in the first year suffered from quality issues due to the poor workmanship of one of my key suppliers, so I and an employee (another East Texan employed) had to drive across the country to repair customers’ pumps, practically from coast to coast. I stood behind the product, and made payments to all the credit cards that had financed me (and my brother and sister). I spent the next 5 years improving and refining the product, building a reputation for the pump and the company, working to get the pump into drill rig manufacturers’ product lines, and paying back credit cards. During all this time I continued to manage a growing water well business that was now operating 3 drill rig crews, and 2 well service crews. Also, the screen service business continued to grow. No government programs were there to help me, Mr. Obama, but that’s ok, I didn’t expect any, nor did I want any. I was too busy fighting to make success happen to sit around waiting for the government to help me.
Now, we have been manufacturing the mud pumps for 7 years, my combined businesses employ 32 full time employees, and distribute $5,000,000.00 annually through the local economy. Now, just 4 months ago I borrowed $1,254,000.00, purchasing computer controlled machining equipment to start my 4th business, a production machine shop. The machine shop will serve the mud pump company so that we can better manufacture our pumps that are being shipped worldwide. Of course, the machine shop will also do work for outside companies as well. This has already produced 2 more full time jobs, and 2 more should develop out of it in the next few months. This should work out, but if it doesn’t it will be because you, and the other professional politicians like yourself, will have destroyed our countrys’ (and the world) economy with your meddling with mortgage loan programs through your liberal manipulation and intimidation of loaning institutions to make sure that unqualified borrowers could get mortgages. You see, at the very time when I couldn’t get a business loan to get my mud pumps into production, you were working with Acorn and the Community Reinvestment Act programs to make sure that unqualified borrowers could buy homes with no down payment, and even no credit or worse yet, bad credit. Even the infamous, liberal, Ninja loans (No Income, No Job or Assets). While these unqualified borrowers were enjoying unrealistically low interest rates, I was paying 22% to 24% interest on the credit cards that I had used to provide me the funds for the mud pump business that has created jobs for more East Texans. It’s funny, because after 25 years of turning almost every dime of extra money back into my businesses to grow them, it has been only in the last two years that I have finally made enough money to be able to put a little away for retirement, and now the value of that has dropped 40% because of the policies you and your ilk have perpetrated on our country.
You see, Mr. Obama, I’m the guy you intend to raise taxes on. I’m the guy who has spent 25 years toiling and sweating, fretting and fighting, stressing and risking, to build a business and get ahead. I’m the guy who has been on the very edge of bankruptcy more than a dozen times over the last 25 years, and all the while creating more and more jobs for East Texans who didn’t want to take a risk, and would not demand from themselves what I have demanded from myself. I’m the guy you characterize as “the Americans who can afford it the most” that you believe should be taxed more to provide income redistribution “to spread the wealth” to those who have never toiled, sweated, fretted, fought, stressed, or risked anything. You want to characterize me as someone who has enjoyed a life of privilege and who needs to pay a higher percentage of my income than those who have bought into your entitlement culture. I resent you, Mr. Obama, as I resent all who want to use class warfare as a tool to advance their political career. What’s worse, each year more Americans buy into your liberal entitlement culture, and turn to the government for their hope of a better life instead of themselves. Liberals are succeeding through more than 40 years of collaborative effort between the predominant liberal media, and liberal indoctrination programs in the public school systems across our land.
What is so terribly sad about this is this. America was made great by people who embraced the one-time American culture of self reliance, self motivation, self determination, self discipline, personal betterment, hard work, risk taking. A culture built around the concept that success was in reach of every able bodied American who would strive for it. Each year that less Americans embrace that culture, we all descend together. We descend down the socialist path that has brought country after country ultimately to bitter and unremarkable states. If you and your liberal comrades in the media and school systems would spend half as much effort cultivating a culture of can-do across America as you do cultivating your entitlement culture, we could see Americans at large embracing the conviction that they can elevate themselves through personal betterment, personal achievement, and self reliance. You see, when people embrace such ideals, they act on them. When people act on such ideals, they succeed. All of America could find herself elevating instead of deteriorating. But that would eliminate the need for liberal politicians, wouldn’t it, Mr. Obama? The country would not need you if the country was convinced that problem solving was best left with individuals instead of the government. You and all your liberal comrades have got a vested interested in creating a dependent class in our country. It is the very business of liberals to create an ever expanding dependence on government. What’s remarkable is that you, who have never produced a job in your life, are going to tax me to take more of my money and give it to people who wouldn’t need my money if they would get off their entitlement mentality asses and apply themselves at work, demand more from themselves, and quit looking to liberal politicians to raise their station in life.
You see, I know because I’ve had them work for me before. Hundreds of them over these 25 years. People who simply will not show up to work on time. People who just will not work 5 days in a week, much less, 6 days. People always looking for a way to put less effort out. People who actually tell me that they would do more if I just would first pay them more. People who take off work to sit in government offices to apply to get free government handouts (gee, I wonder how things would have turned out for them if they had spent that time earning money and pleasing their employer?). You see, all of this comes from your entitlement mentality culture.
Oh, I know you will say I am uncompassionate. Sorry, Mr. Obama, wrong again. You see, I’ve seen what the average percentage of your income has been given to charities over the years of 2000 to 2004 (ignoring the years you started running for office – can you pronounce “politically motivated”), you averaged less than 1% annually. And your running mate, Joe Biden, averaged less than ¼% of his annual income in charitable contributions over the last 10 years. Like so many liberals, the two of you want to give to the needy, just as long as it is someone else’s money you are giving to them. I won’t say what I have given to charities over the last 25 years, but the percentage is several times more than you and Joe Biden… combined (don’t you just hate goggle?). Tell me again how you feel my pain.
In short, Mr. Obama, your political philosophies represent everything that is wrong with our country. You represent the culture of government dependence instead of self reliance; Entitlement mentality instead of personal achievement; Penalization of the successful to reward the unmotivated; Political correctness instead of open mindedness and open debate. If you are successful, you may preside over the final transformation of America from being the greatest and most self-reliant culture on earth, to just another country of whiners and wimps, who sit around looking to the government to solve their problems. Like all of western Europe. All countries on the decline. All countries that, because of liberal socialistic mentalities, have a little less to offer mankind every year.
God help us…
Cory Miller
just a ordinary, extraordinary American, the way a lot of Americans used to be.
P.S. Yes, Mr. Obama, I am a real American… http://www.cmillerdrilling.com
Nah! He’d rather spend his time attacking Fox News for stirring up irrelevant controversies in what are only thinly veiled attempts to whip up the far left base than to demonstrate real integrity.
Kudos to the Cols. Dispatch for doing the proper job of journalism. I wonder how their circulation compares to that of the Obama (NY) Times?
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Ignorance, our most costly commodity – paraphrased from Rush Limbaugh.
For BHO, I keep leaning to the Hitler parallels because of the oratory skills, that word ’socialist’ he added to his ‘German Worker’s Party’ and all the Jeremiah Wright racial hate for whites and Jews. This illegal snooping is right in line with the Gestapo as well – the law didn’t stop them; why should Ohio democrats be any better?
But this capitalist culling idea seems more Stalinist to me; gulags and all. We all know that Hitler and Stalin ultimately couldn’t trust each other so maybe Ayers will ultimately turn on Obama to try to destroy him before he can takeover completely? Just wonderin…