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1. #1
   On October 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am, sonofdy said:

   Blue balls… ha

2. #2
   On October 29th, 2008 at 11:00 am, b-cat said:

   Exactly. Pay no attention to polls, they are meaningless.

3. #3
   On October 29th, 2008 at 11:00 am, sonofdy said:

   My point is this, if one poll says obama plus 15 and the next one says obama plus 2, then the polls are crap. You don’t get a 13 point swing in one day. It just doesn’t happen.

4. #4
   On October 29th, 2008 at 11:00 am, sonofdy said:

   AHHHH a watershed free zone.

5. #5
   On October 29th, 2008 at 11:01 am, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

   Iowahawk nails it, within an acceptable margin of error…..

6. #6
   On October 29th, 2008 at 11:05 am, sambo said:

   On the same topic, with 99.9 percent less humor, WaPo reports:

   U should no Mishel that it takes a litel intelygense two mace funyz.

7. #7
   On October 29th, 2008 at 11:06 am, thejim said:

   Iowahawk is correct; Too many flaws in the data and math in this election, too many faulty assumptions ie; Dems suposedly voting for Dem ticket. Not this time. Personal discussions tell me that a number of long term Dem voters are not going to vote Obama. It will be interesting. My non-scientific guess; Obama takes 8 states, & loses to the surprise of the media & “leftist supporters”. We’ll see in a week. Keep the faith (voters do understand the situation).

8. #8
   On October 29th, 2008 at 11:06 am, BlameAmericaLast said:

   I have been skeptical of the polling data for a long, long time.

   What I’m afraid of more than anything at this point is, if McCain does win, how are Obama’s followers going to react? Peacefully? I doubt it.

   OT, Obama has a new ad going after Palin now. I guess the Obama campaign is so threatened by her. Unbelievable.

9. #9
   On October 29th, 2008 at 11:06 am, wrcnossen said:

   If any of the news media spent the time reviewing the candidates programs and history they spend on worthless polls, this would be a better election.

10. #10
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:07 am, John Ansell said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:00 am, b-cat said:
    Exactly. Pay no attention to polls, they are meaningless.

    Unless you are Sean Hannity and they show McAmnesty ahead. Then They ARE REAL! But when Obamination has the lead, don’t trust them.

11. #11
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:10 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    And what if you look for balls on the weekend…rather than a weeknight, when a lot of the conservative red balls are out and you seem to reach more liberal blue balls who happen to be home watching TiVo’d Maury episodes?

    It’s way to easy to unintentionally bias a poll.

    And you never EVER trust a weekend poll. They’re usually biased to the Democratic side.

12. #12
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:11 am, b-cat said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:07 am, John Ansell said: Unless you are Sean Hannity and they show McAmnesty ahead. Then They ARE REAL! But when Obamination has the lead, don’t trust them.

    I guess if there is a poll out there that favors a R candidate, then it’s newsworthy in a way.

13. #13
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:11 am, Brian Roastbeef said:

    Of course, there is also the issue that the blue balls in the media are telling red and purple balls that those who aren’t blue balls are that way because they are racist, and not because the head blue ball is a Red.

    Umm…yeah. Heh heh blue balls…

14. #14
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:12 am, Paul Revere said:

    I read somewhere once that you can torture numbers and they will tell you whatever you want to hear.

15. #15
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:13 am, madchef said:

    The polls show that most polls are wrong.

16. #16
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:13 am, wighttrasch said:

    Indeed, sonofdy. But, beware chatting up the demon…

    Red balls are better–at least it shows yer gettin’ somewhere…

17. #17
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:16 am, richardbo said:

    If Obama wins, the Dems will tell us how accurate, fair, and honest the polls were. If McCain wins, their legions of lawyers-thousands of them already organized-will contest everything that favors the Republicans.

18. #18
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:17 am, John Ansell said:

    True B-Cat. I wasn’t trying to dis you, just Hannity. I listen to him but man, he’s actually lost his mind over this. Really, I can pull tape of him one day bashing a poll because Obamination was ahead and the next, praising the same poll because it had McCain within the margin of error. I just want honesty either way.

19. #19
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:19 am, cheapseat said:

    finally an explanation of statistics i truly understand. maybe we should remember that on this same day 4 years ago, kerry was ahead by way more than 2%. in fact, at noon on election day kerry was a shoe in. the real vote 52/48 bush. maybe that is why the early polls show a big obama win, and he is pleading with his supporters to go to the polls early (and often).

20. #20
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:19 am, mchristian said:

    As always, Iowahawk gets to the heart of the matter. Polls are guesses that pollsters make based on questions they design to ask people who are either so lonely they have no one to talk to except a minimum wage phone operator or people who just want to mess with one.

    What’s not to believe?

21. #21
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:20 am, Misscheryl said:

    Polls mean nothing and if you have paid any attention at all to previous presidential races you don’t give them much attention. Case in point: look at RealPolitics poll data. Most polls show a very close race until you get to the MSN polls, i.e., CBS. They put Obama’s lead in double digits. Baaawwwaahhhaaaa I trust only half of what I see and nothing of what I hear.

22. #22
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:20 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    John Ansell said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:00 am, b-cat said:
    Exactly. Pay no attention to polls, they are meaningless.

    Unless you are Sean Hannity and they show McAmnesty ahead. Then They ARE REAL! But when Obamination has the lead, don’t trust them.

    John, I believe you are missing the point. Polls, regardless of who or what is the favored selection, are often biased for reasons that even the pollster can’t control or sometimes understand.

    Poll results are massaged to fit what the pollster thinks is the right composition of the population involved. M/F.. age ranges, race, party, sometimes income, geographic areas.

    Rarely are any polls… “Right”. Even if you look at the cross-tabs.. those breakdowns of age, race, etc, the total vote may be close, but the sub-populations are often WAY off.

    So it’s all mostly luck. Though some do it better than others.

23. #23
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:25 am, b-cat said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:17 am, John Ansell said:

    I understand. I too am tired of spin and fabrication. I don’t want right or left news. I want the truth.

24. #24
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:29 am, DesertLover said:

    Voter opinion polls are a waste of money and time …

    Why? … simple …

    1. They use the voter registration numbers to determine the weighting of the sample (Dems/Reps/Ind/) … think ACORN …

    2. They manipulate the answers by the way they phrase and present the questions that are asked …

    3. They assume that all the answers they get are truthful …

    and that is just for starters as to why I ignore polls …

    Some people will actually think the election is over and not bother going to vote because of polls … and that is the real “voter suppression” …

25. #25
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am, John Ansell said:

    I understand. I too am tired of spin and fabrication. I don’t want right or left news. I want the truth.

    We’re on the same page. I just wish the media would see it like that and provide the public what we want. Sigh…..they’ll never give it to us. That’s why I like Michelle Malkin so much. She Does!!!!

    Thanks Michelle

26. #26
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:34 am, FilmLadd said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:17 am, John Ansell said:

    True B-Cat. I wasn’t trying to dis you, just Hannity. I listen to him but man, he’s actually lost his mind over this. Really, I can pull tape of him one day bashing a poll because Obamination was ahead and the next, praising the same poll because it had McCain within the margin of error. I just want honesty either way.

    I met him back when he was working in Huntsville.

    He was good hearted and dogged, but from what I could tell not grounded by any true understanding.

    He was more like the fan of a football or baseball team; anxious to see his team win.

    Philosophy, ideology, thought are not his strong suit. In this way he is nearly the same as those he is aligned against.

    If you do nothing but fight the dragon, you are in danger of becoming the dragon.

    I was also unimpressed by his inability to keep in touch with some of the people that befriended him and did him favors in Huntsville. But I shall say no more on that subject.

27. #27
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:34 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    The Commiemedia is lying to you about the polls.

    In an honest election, McCain/Palin will win in an electoral college landslide.

    When was the last time a Democrat got over 50% of the popular vote?

    1976, when Jimmah Carter got 50.1%.

    When was the last time before that when a Democrat got over 50% of the popular vote?

    1964, LBJ, when the country was still recovering from the murder of JFK and voted for stability.

    We don’t have to defeat Obama’s politics. We have to defeat the MASSIVE FRAUD which is being carried out on Obama’s behalf.

    Christians, please pray.

28. #28
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:14 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Help for the pollers
    \psi = 0 \; \mathrm{at} \;\; x = 0,\; x = L

    Consider x = 0

    * sin 0 = 0, cos 0 = 1. To satisfy \scriptstyle \psi = 0 \; the cos term has to be removed. Hence D = 0
    Now consider: \scriptstyle \psi = C \sin kx\;
    * at x = L, \scriptstyle \psi = C \sin kL =0\;
    * If C = 0 then \scriptstyle \psi =0 \; for all x. This would conflict with the Born interpretation
    * therefore sin kL = 0 must be satisfied, yielding the condition
    kL = n \pi \;\;\;\; n = 1,2,3,4,5,… \;

    In this situation, n must be an integer showing the quantization of the energy levels.
    DOES THAT HELP FOLKS?
    NO!
    ME NEITHER.

29. #29
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:15 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    We have to defeat the MASSIVE FRAUD which is being carried out on Obama’s behalf.

    That’s my only concern right now. With all that money Obama has taken in (mostly questionable too), he hasn’t managed to break away and close the “sale” to the American public. Lots of skepticism around him.

    That’s why Acorn has been feverishly committing fraud, because everyone knows Obama can’t win on merit alone.

    Remember folks:

    By any means necessary.

30. #30
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:17 pm, NC BLUE said:

    Balls said the Queen, if I had two, I’d be King. The King laughed, because he had too. You best watch out for your balls if the socialists win. Go McCain/Palin.

31. #31
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:24 pm, John Ansell said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:34 am, FilmLadd said:
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:17 am, John Ansell said:

    I really liked the guy but man, listening to him today is painful. He forgets McCain/Feingold; McCain/Kennedy; McCain/Lieberman; gang of 14 and many more of McCain’s flaws. I don’t mean to pick on McCain and sway any votes, Please vote as you wish, I’m just trying to say the guy has lost his convictions.

    That’s why the Republican Party has drifted so far left. Few of us are willing to stand up and say “Enough”!

    I’ve already voted and I wrote in Newt?Jindal. I hope I get to vote for them again in 4 years. (I still think McCain will win)

32. #32
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, tre said:

    #28 FamilyMan

    You forgot to carry the 1.

33. #33
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:01 pm, rightisright said:

    John Ansell, wish I was as confident as you about McNasty winning…I will go against my true values and principles and vote for this center moderate only to put down Odummy for awhile.
    I’m so in doubt of McShame/PALIN winning I bought me some more second amendment rights yesterday. After all I’m just a typical white man.
    I don’t need a poll to tell me who to vote for.

34. #34
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:10 pm, John Deaux said:

    The only poll I’ll believe takes place next Tuesday.

35. #35
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:11 pm, BobonStatenIsland said:

    We all know McCain’s faults. We aren’t voting for McCain…we are voting AGAINST Stalinist Socialism (Obama) and FOR Sarah Palin.
    In addition, Obama WILL lose this election. He didn’t even really win the Dem nomination (given to him by the Super Dels and the Caucauses where “voters” essensially had non-private ballots). If you pay no attention to the media, as hard as that might be, the guy just doesn’t have the support of the everyman. Take a deep breath, don’t panic, and step back and take a long look at the PEOPLE. Sure, Obabma’s supportrs are passionate, but they only get one vote (we hope) each.

36. #36
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, rambler said:

    Actually, it may work to McCain’s advantage to have the polls list obama ahead. The Obama folks might not bother to stand in the long lines to vote if they believe he has already won. I speak to many fellow independents and we just don’t answer polls. A few have told Obama street thugs that Obama’s their guy just to avoid an argument.
    Independents may not be on any lists so the only way to find them is through random calling, that is if we answer the phone.

37. #37
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, jsr said:

    My decidedly informal poll of yard signs in my part of town is at least 10 to 1 in favor of McCain. While this area leans Republican (60%), there would normally never be this type of lopsided outcome in an election. It gives me some hope that the national polls are extremely skewed and November 5 we will wake up in a still sane America.

38. #38
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, BobonStatenIsland said:

    Hey Rambler,
    You have a point there about the Independents not in the stats. I also commented to my friends weeks back that the media is shooting themselves in the foot by waving the victory flag for Obama because Dems are notoriously lazy and will just stay home because they think their guy has won already. Even McCain said “We got him right where we want him” when refering to the Obama lead in the polls.

39. #39
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:00 am, sonofdy said:

    My point is this, if one poll says obama plus 15 and the next one says obama plus 2, then the polls are crap. You don’t get a 13 point swing in one day. It just doesn’t happen.

    And slightly O/T – but related. Although the stock market very frequently says differently, the underlying value of a company seldom changes by 10% overnight either.

40. #40
    On October 29th, 2008 at 2:03 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:34 am, FilmLadd said:

    Thank you Film….I was going to say almost the same from my interactions with him. I frequently questioned the core ideology. Though the answers were many times “correct”, I was often puzzled by the logic to get there.

41. #41
    On October 29th, 2008 at 2:57 pm, CO2 Producer said:

    What if those blue balls are displayed every time you turn on the TV and go to the website that has your e-mail, and you think, what’s the use in voting this cycle?

    The answer to that is, don’t pay attention to what you see. The chances are good that those balls have been inflated.

42. #42
    On October 29th, 2008 at 3:28 pm, TooMuchTime said:

    As I’ve said before, all polls are crap.

    I think all political polling should be outlawed. There is absolutely no good reason to have political polls. And with the MSM in the tank for the democrats, the exit polls are the worst. They just want you to stay home; The One has already won.

43. #43
    On October 29th, 2008 at 4:24 pm, FamilyMan said:

    tre said:
    FamilyMan
    You forgot to carry the 1.

    Your right. Sorry now the world will really fall apart.

44. #44
    On October 29th, 2008 at 4:41 pm, Lan Astaslem said:

    “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
    — Benjamin Disraeli or Mark Twain (depending on who you ask)

    I think we are seeing plenty of all of these in the MSM this election cycle!!

45. #45
    On October 29th, 2008 at 5:28 pm, wighttrasch said:

    Benjamin Disraeli or Mark Twain (depending on who you ask)

    Since I am a native Missourian, I always give the benefit of the quote to Mr. Samuel Clemens.