Notorious Obamedia moments of 2008

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 29, 2008 05:05 AM


In the tank.

My syndicated column today takes you on a brief tour of some of the most shameful Obamedia moments of 2008. Topping the list: The Los Angeles Times’ suppression of the Obama/Khalidi/Ayers-Dohrn videotape. The blogosphere has been pounding the story, with Gateway Pundit’s Jim Hoft leading the way. The Times claims it promised a source it wouldn’t show the tape. Can you imagine them abiding by similar conditions if they had a damning McCain/Palin video in hand? Now, reward offers for the missing video are pouring in: see Newt Gingrich; Ace; Dirty Harry; and JWR.

And another reward offer: $150,000.

I repeat: Bleeding newspapers really shouldn’t be pissing off readers. Same goes for the rest of the flailing old media.

No matter. They will cling bitterly to their drool cups until pried from their cold, dead hands.

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Notorious Obamedia Moments of 2008
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2008

To paraphrase Queen Elizabeth II, 2008 is not a year on which honest journalists shall look back with undiluted pleasure. This has turned out to be even more of an annus horribilis than 2004, when Dan Rather’s fake Bush/National Guard memo fiasco redefined the “BS” in CBS News. There were so many mainstream journalists swimming in the Democrat tank this year, the nation’s newsrooms looked more like overcrowded aquariums at Petsmart.

In less than a week, the campaign season will be over. But the Obamedia’s most shameful biases and notorious blunders shall not be forgotten. Here’s my top five list, by no means comprehensive and in no particular order:

1. The Los Angeles Times and the suppressed Obama/Jew-bash videotape. In April, L.A. Times reporter Peter Wallsten reported on a 2003 farewell party for radical Palestinian Liberation Organization spokesman/adviser-turned-Ivy League professor Rashid Khalidi. The gala was sponsored by the virulently anti-Israel Arab American Action Network. In attendance: good neighbors Barack Obama and Weather Underground terrorist duo Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

Wallsten reported that the “event was videotaped, and a copy of the tape was obtained by The Times.” But the news organization refuses to let readers watch the video of Barack and his left-wing terrorist friends for themselves and will not release the tape. It’s “old news” now.

The paper had no problem, however, embedding a clip of Sarah Palin’s 1984 swimsuit pageant video on its gossip blog and deeming it newsworthy.

2.Ogling Obama. In May, CNN posted “breaking news video” of female journalists on Obama’s press plane moaning and fawning over the Democratic presidential candidate as he talked on his cell phone. The caption listed on the network’s website: “Obama in jeans: Sen. Barack Obama surprises the press corps by wearing jeans.”

In the clip, several members of the press corps yell at a Secret Service agent to “sit down” because she’s obstructing their view of their beloved Obama. You can hear the journalists giggle and sigh as Obama straddles across a row of seats and they furiously click away on their cameras. “You’re killing us,” one of them truckles breathlessly.

No, you’re killing yourselves.

Runners-up for Most Drool-Covered groupies: The journalist who squealed “He touched me!” at the UNITY minority journalists’ convention in July; the MSNBC producer who broke down and shed tears of joy upon learning that The One had clinched the Democrat presidential nomination; MSNBC host Chris Matthews, who proclaimed that he “felt a thrill up his leg” after an Obama speech in February; Oprah Winfrey, who confessed she did a “happy dance” for Obama; and the writer for the German publication, BILD, who worked out with Obama at the Ritz Carlton in Berlin and reported: “I put my arm around his hip – wow, he didn’t even sweat! WHAT A MAN!’”

3.The Atlantic Monthly’s deranged photographer. Publisher David Bradley’s once-esteemed magazine hired celebrity lenswoman Jill Greenberg to snap portraits of John McCain. Greenberg, an outspoken left-winger who goaded children into crying on film and captioned the images with anti-Bush slogans, sabotaged the photo shoot and gloated about it on a photo industry website. After tricking McCain into standing over a strobe light to create ugly shadows on his face, she then posted vandalized versions of the McCain imagery on her personal website with crude, vulgar labels and Photoshopping. One featured McCain with fangs and blood dripping down his mouth – with the Greenberg-added words, “I am a bloodthirsty warmongerer (sic).”

Another piece of her “art” showed an ape (a favorite Greenberg subject) defecating on McCain’s head. The highly respected editors at the highly respected Atlantic professed shock, despite Greenberg’s notoriety. The name of her blog: “Manipulator.”

4.The quote doctors and the math manglers at CNN. In a botched attack on Sarah Palin, CNN reporter Drew Griffin cited National Review writer Byron York allegedly questioning her abilities and character: “The National Review had a story saying that, you know, I can’t tell if Sarah Palin is incompetent, stupid, unqualified, corrupt, or all of the above?” York, however, was characterizing the press coverage of Palin, not speaking for himself.

In a botched tally, CNN anchor Soledad O’Brien proclaimed an audience poll showed “overwhelming” preference for Joe Biden after the vice presidential debate. A freeze frame of the show of hands, however, showed the audience split. The mathematically-challenged O’Brien also claimed that Palin slashed Alaska’s special needs budget by 62 percent (which she recycled from the liberal Daily Kos blog), despite the fact that the governor increased special needs funding by 12 percent. Facts, schmacts.

5. Us Magazine and publisher Jann Wenner’s Obama apparatchiks. The gossip mag’s September partisan slime job on Sarah Palin and her family (“Babies, lies, and scandal”) – which opened the floodgates of Palin-bashing across the mainstream media — was a nadir of the year. Prominent Obama backer Wenner, who ran countless hagiographies of Obama in sister publication Rolling Stone and featured the Obamas with the slavering headline “Why Barack Loves Her” on Us magazine’s June cover, had his media flack e-mail the anti-Palin hit piece to all media in St. Paul for the Republican National Convention:

“Might be useful as an illustration of how the news is playing out,” the flack wrote.

Indeed, the side-by-side covers of the Palin smears and the Obamas’ deification illustrate the year in Obamedia perfectly.

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  1. #201
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:33 am, FamilyMan said:

    old_texan said: Some estaminets indicate that 2 trillion dollars would return to US investments if we remove the corporate tax completely. That would stimulate the economy to 8 trillion within four years.

  2. #202
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:35 am, ITookTheRedPill said:
  3. #203
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:36 am, jsr said:

    Don’t feed the troll. It is just following The Ones instructions to Get in their faces. It’s hermetically sealed mind is impervious to logic and facts and will not be swayed. It may not even believe it’s own talking points and is only here to distract and inflame, which it is doing quite successfully.

  4. #204
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:36 am, watershed said:

    #199

    Strawman.

    The tax burden will be SHIFTED to the wealthy from the middle class. SOCIALISM is your word.

    Health care should be a right for every American. Choosing an ideology over the well being of your fellow Americans is in my view, sociopathic and at the very least, unpatriotic. But this place stalked and hounded a sick 12 year old boy and his family for months, so I should probably know who I am talking to!

  5. #205
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:38 am, fluffy said:

    watershed still seems to think I am trolling. I pointed out that when my household loses our Bush tax cut, we will pay an additional 6% of our income to the IRS. Even if my wife and I both lost our good middle class jobs and started over at WalMart, we would still pay higher federal taxes. Maybe sausage can explain how that loss of income will benefit me.

    Night, folks. Remember to vote.

  6. #206
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:43 am, sambo said:

    watershed said:
    #196

    And another. None of you guys see the unbelieveable IRONY here of calling for a violent uprising against an American adminstration?

    This place is truly hilarious. Best of all is that you’re serious! Pathetic and sad, but serious.

    You must not have read my post you little obnoxious Obamian!

  7. #207
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:43 am, FamilyMan said:

    KABOOMMM.
    That wasn’t too messy. But fun

  8. #208
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:45 am, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 10:37 am, Misscheryl said:

    Thanks, Misscheryl. I’ll be around.

  9. #209
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:47 am, fulldroolcup said:

    “And there is NO difference between you two. You both think YOUR CAUSE justifies violence.”

    sorry, but I conditioned my comments on what Obama might do. IOW “If”.

    And if you had any clue you would understand why we have 2nd amendment in the first place. You might try reading the Federalist Papers. The Founders feared the rise of an oppressive federal government and wanted to leave citizens the means to counter it.

    Finally, I would like to know what constitutional rights Ayers thought he was being deprived of, that justified him blowing up government buildings and killing people.

    You really ARE a witless troll.

  10. #210
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:49 am, fulldroolcup said:

    Health care should be a right for every American.

    Horse hockey. to believe that you have to believe that the government is the source of your life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Yours is a profoundly un-American position.

    It’s one your Manchurian candidate shares.

    Move to Canada or the UK. You’ll be happy there, waiting for years for your “health care”.

  11. #211
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:51 am, watershed said:

    #207

    Are you talking about me? Or is KAABOOM what you wanna do to the future Obama adminstration, like some of the other Hitler youth here?

    Either way, you amuse me. Thanks!

    (JK, You’re cool. Incredibly paranoid and misinformed, but cool.)

  12. #212
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:51 am, sambo said:

    Health care should be a right for every American.

    Beer should be a right for every American.

  13. #213
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:51 am, right4life said:

    The tax burden will be SHIFTED to the wealthy from the middle class. SOCIALISM is your word.

    the rich already pay the lion’s share of taxes in this country. how much should they pay? 100%? you’re an idiot.

    Health care should be a right for every American. Choosing an ideology over the well being of your fellow Americans is in my view, sociopathic and at the very least, unpatriotic.

    this is more idiotic left-wing drivel. there is no such thing as a ‘right’ that costs someone else. and your ‘free’ healthcare will end up causing a great deal more suffering and death. but you’ll feel good about it and thats all that counts to soulless little left-wing stooges like you.

  14. #214
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:52 am, ITookTheRedPill said:
  15. #215
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:54 am, watershed said:

    #209

    Your almost sexual fetish for violence against some armed socialist uprising isnt uncommon here. You’re paranoid, and have a blood lust. It’s kind of scary combo. All because a DEM is gonna be President! GASP!

    But trust me, get in your bunker and NO ONE will miss you.

  16. #216
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am, John Deaux said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:36 am, watershed said:
    #199

    Strawman.

    I asked you a question. How is that a strawman? You might want to check the meaning of that word.

    The tax burden will be SHIFTED to the wealthy from the middle class. SOCIALISM is your word.

    People that didn’t pay a penny in taxes receiving a check is socialism. Redistribution of income is socialism. That’s not my word, it’s Engel’s.

    Health care should be a right for every American.

    The Constitution doesn’t guarantee you anything tangible, it only guarantees you the right to pursue things unfettered by government. Try using logic instead of emotion.

    Choosing an ideology over the well being of your fellow Americans is in my view, sociopathic and at the very least, unpatriotic.

    That would be why Republicans give more to charity than Democrats. We do consider the well being of others, the Dems just want more for themselves under the guise of helping others. Do you think Jeremiah Wright could buy a less expensive house and provide scholarships for his parishioners? Could Obama have sent his brother a $100 bill and made him a rich man in Kenya?

    But this place stalked and hounded a sick 12 year old boy and his family for months, so I should probably know who I am talking to!

    A sick boy who was being used by the Dems to justify fleecing the public. Are you saying we should pass every piece of legislation that has poster boy? Nice way to change the subject and attack us at the same time.

    Please answer the question. Simply saying “that’s my word” is not sufficient.

  17. #217
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:57 am, FilmLadd said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:36 am, watershed said:

    The tax burden will be SHIFTED to the wealthy from the middle class. SOCIALISM is your word.

    This statement fails to account for the morality of the size of the tax burden, or what that tax burden is paying for. It is merely propaganda.

    Health care should be a right for every American. Choosing an ideology over the well being of your fellow Americans is in my view, sociopathic and at the very least, unpatriotic. But this place stalked and hounded a sick 12 year old boy and his family for months, so I should probably know who I am talking to!

    Health care is provided by human beings to human beings. Health care is a service.

    By declaring that it is a right, you are in essence declaring that the time – no, the very lives – of those who practice medicine belong to the State.

    Yes, you are saying that they are slaves and must work for the State as it deems fit.

    Whether that slavery is enforced through ugly means (whip and chain) or through soft means (government bureaucrats armed with the full force of the federal government) is immaterial. They accomplish the same thing: slavery.

    Whether that slavery is practiced for a good cause (alleviate suffering) or a bad cause (growing cotton) is also immaterial.

    It is a certain fact that southern plantation owners sent their slaves to serve at fundraisers.

    It is a probability that Pharoah used some of his slaves to do good public works of some sort – whatever the ancient equivalent of “community organizing” was at the time.

    But no matter. Slavery is never justified no matter what its form or severity.

    I suffer from a few ailments that could one day explode into serious conditions. But I would never resort to enslaving anyone to cure or care for me.

    The very thought is sociopathic and disgusting.

  18. #218
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:59 am, Flyoverman said:

    If you Google the topic you will find the FIRST EVER tax cut proposed by Barrack Obama was in September 2007.

    Prior to that date, before he was a candidate for President, you will not find any mention of Obama proposing a tax cut of any kind. He did, however, in his first two years in the U.S. Senate vote for tax increases 42 times.

    Based on his own written words, speeches, interviews, and his voting record prior to September 2007, why would anyone logically assume any Obama tax cut proposal would be implemented.

  19. #219
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:59 am, hawkeye54 said:

    the rich already pay the lion’s share of taxes in this country. how much should they pay? 100%? you’re an idiot.

    Even if they DID pay 100%, they don’t produce enough income for ALL the programs Obummer, Pelousy and Dingy Harry want to saddle the taxpayer with. If Obummer wins, just watch the wealty hide as much of their income as possible offshore, in tax free munies, reduce their productivity to stay out of higher tax brackets, etc. They are already making preparations for it.

    AND if the DEMS actually taxed WEALTH in addition to income, it might cover spending for a year or two and then they will have to look to other resources for the spending of our tax money they have in mind.

    That tax cut Obummer is prommising the middle class? He’ll pull a Clinton and proclaim the nation can’t afford it and we all will have to make a sacrafice to contribute. That “tax cut” will just be a “cut” of a smaller tax increase.

  20. #220
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, watershed said:

    Film Ladd you still havent explained how your version of violence against the President differs from William Ayers. Get on that!

  21. #221
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:01 pm, watershed said:

    Film Ladd you still havent explained how your version of violence against the President differs from William Ayers. Get on that!

    I already did in a comment. You missed it and I do not repeat myself.

    Now get on to your sociopathic belief that mankind exists to serve the State.

  22. #222
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:04 pm, old_texan said:

    The income tax is unconstitutional anyway, but that doesn’t seem to bother anyone. The class envy demonstrated by the leftist could be helped immensely if we just repealed the income tax and had a flat tax to make things equitable.

  23. #223
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:07 pm, granite said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am, John Deaux said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:57 am, FilmLadd said:

    Good posts.

    The troll’s own words:

    Your almost sexual fetish for violence against some armed socialist uprising isnt uncommon here. You’re paranoid, and have a blood lust. It’s kind of scary combo.

    Projection, much?

    Also, notice the terms of address used in that individual’s posts: cupcake…sweetie…guy.

    Are you not reminded just a little of the kids in high school who would go out of their way, who would make an effort, to be annoying…for no other reason than to annoy?

  24. #224
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:08 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Term Limits and Flat Taxes!

  25. #225
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, watershed said:

    Public school teachers are not slaves, and postal workers are not slaves, and DMV employess are not slaves and your idea of health care is slavery is just absurd. THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK, PEOPLE. use a better argument than SLAVERY.

    Because I am cool, I will give you a health care gimme, so you can use it against me.

    If its inefficiency you wanna argue, maybe that holds water. But my response is… I already see inefficiency the way it is currently. Why not pay less/nothing for it?

  26. #226
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, sambo said:

    granite said:
    Are you not reminded just a little of the kids in high school who would go out of their way, who would make an effort, to be annoying…for no other reason than to annoy?

    and always with a teacher or administrator in sight!

  27. #227
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, watershed said:

    Film Ladd believes that violence against a sitting president is OK, as long as HE’S doing the violence! Anyone else, see, thats terrorism. He’s a genius. And… kinda violent!

  28. #228
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:08 pm, Misscheryl said:
    Term Limits and Flat Taxes!

    ABSOLUTELY! And THAT is just a start!!

  29. #229
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, granite said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:59 am, hawkeye54 said:

    the rich already pay the lion’s share of taxes in this country. how much should they pay? 100%? you’re an idiot.
    Even if they DID pay 100%, they don’t produce enough income for ALL the programs Obummer, Pelousy and Dingy Harry want to saddle the taxpayer with.

    Correct.

    Exactly the same debate took place a couple of decades ago.
    There are just not enough “rich” to fund all of the socialists’ expenditures.
    The point was made back then that the middle class would have to be bled, if only because it so greatly outnumbered (as it outnumbers now) the “rich”.

  30. #230
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:13 pm, right4life said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, watershed said:

    whats absurd is your mouthing of talking points, and your inability to deal with any of the issues you raise. you cannot respond intelligently to any of the points raised, you just continue onto your next talking point.

    but then liberals are not known for independent thinking…

  31. #231
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:14 pm, sambo said:

    Also note that when the tax was lowered across the board, the rich were paying a larger share of the taxes.

  32. #232
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:15 pm, right4life said:

    Public school teachers are not slaves, and postal workers are not slaves, and DMV employess are not slaves and your idea of health care is slavery is just absurd. THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK, PEOPLE. use a better argument than SLAVERY.

    oh and you miss his point that you want health care to be a right…education and mail are not a right…

    again, your inability to deal with the points raised.

  33. #233
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:17 pm, old_texan said:

    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, October 29, 2008; A02

    Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign is allowing donors to use largely untraceable prepaid credit cards that could potentially be used to evade limits on how much an individual is legally allowed to give or to mask a contributor’s identity, campaign officials confirmed.

    Faced with a huge influx of donations over the Internet, the campaign has also chosen not to use basic security measures to prevent potentially illegal or anonymous contributions from flowing into its accounts, aides acknowledged. Instead, the campaign is scrutinizing its books for improper donations after the money has been deposited.

  34. #234
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:20 pm, flmom said:

    Waterspout has successfully hijacked this thread, which I believe was a very good analysis of the media bias for Obama. I think waterspout needs to get his own blog and he can blather all he wants, about whatever he wants, whenever he wants. He won’t though, because nobody but he would read all the drivel he spouts. {hence my affectionate use of the name waterspout}.
    Michelle, great article as usual, it surprises me that this race is so close, being that the media is so in the tank. They obviously realize that they need to carry Obama over the finish line, he would never be this close otherwise.

  35. #235
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pm, right4life said:

    where’d you go waterboy? its gotten quiet…if healthcare is a right, then yes someone would be required to provide that healthcare…

    but I bet you didn’t think healthcare was a right for Terri Schiavo..

  36. #236
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:25 pm, granite said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 10:50 am, Misscheryl said:

    granite – Absolutely agree 100% with your post.

    Honestly, I could care less about one’s race or politics, but these people are viscious haters and I include everyone of them who post here. They seem to compete with each other as to who can be the biggest smart ass to others. I’ve seen them pat each other on the back for hurting someone and then cry that someone is being a racists if you don’t like their behavior. I, personally, have never been called a racists in my life until I came here. A soul isn’t black or white, young or old. A soul isn’t male or female. A soul is either kind or ugly, cultivates mercy and grace or cultivates hatefulness..it is the being, the essence of a person.

    Thank you.

    Excellent post of your own.

    The two world views (see Thomas Sowell’s excellent “A Conflict of Visions”) have no overlap.
    They are different not in degree, but in kind.

    There is no compromise with the statist, soulless, existentialist worldview; there is only struggle.

    Trying to argue intelligently and reach compromise with statists would be like trying to argue intelligently and reach compromise with a water leak…unless definitivley and permanently stopped by an external force, they will never – never – stop on their own; but rather, sensing “compromise” as weakness, they will always continue advancing, will always continue demanding more and more and more….

  37. #237
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:26 pm, b-cat said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:21 pm,

    right4life said:
    where’d you go waterboy? its gotten quiet…if healthcare is a right, then yes someone would be required to provide that healthcare…

    but I bet you didn’t think healthcare was a right for Terri Schiavo..

    …or the unborn…

  38. #238
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, jsr said:

    All this talk about taxes is making me nervous. If Obama wins and Dems still control congress after 2010 I’m thinking of bailing out and going back to South America with my wife where we already have some land. At least the socialists there are straight up about their goals, say what they think and don’t try to hide behind cowardly language like the Dems and try to pretend they are something other than socialists. It makes planning somewhat easier. With these Dems the story changes daily and your never sure which leftist faction is going to prevail or what they really mean, or if they even know themselves. If they still have control of congress after 2010 it will show they have brainwashed enough Americans into believing 2+2=5, slavery is freedom and their economic misery is really prosperity because the former rich are no longer rich.

  39. #239
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, watershed said:

    #234

    http://yeswecanholdbabies.wordpress.com/

    Just look at this website and think nice sweet mom thoughts till the elction, Flmom. It’s gonna be OK!

  40. #240
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:28 pm, wighttrasch said:

    Why not pay less/nothing for it?

    Ok,blockhead–yer kidding, right?
    How the hell do you think it will be paid for?

    Deze kerel moet worden onderwezen!

  41. #241
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:31 pm, watershed said:

    #238

    I’m thinking of bailing out and going back to South America with my wife

    Funny, didnt the demon ALEC BALDWIN say if Bush got elected he would leave the country?

    The world is going topsy-turvy when patriots like jsr become “blame america first”ers and split. But I guess it’s all perspective, eh?

  42. #242
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:32 pm, Blaise said:

    From Ace:

    Pretty pathetic that we have to try to bribe “newsmen” to release newsworthy tapes.

    Maybe it would be easier if they thought of it as whistleblowing or, even better, as a “leak”.

  43. #243
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, sonofdy said:

    I see michelle is still allowing watershed to run her main threads.

  44. #244
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:09 pm, watershed said:

    Public school teachers are not slaves, and postal workers are not slaves, and DMV employess are not slaves and your idea of health care is slavery is just absurd. THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK, PEOPLE. use a better argument than SLAVERY.

    To be more precise: the people who are forced to pay their salaries are slaves for as long as it takes to meet that portion of the tax burden.

    Therefore the people who will be forced to pay for “free health care” will be slaves for as long as they are working to meet that tax burden.

    If its inefficiency you wanna argue, maybe that holds water. But my response is… I already see inefficiency the way it is currently. Why not pay less/nothing for it?

    This is prima facie a patently stupid argument. There are so many issues with what you have written, it would take an eternity to answer.

    But here is one: if you do not pay for it in cash up front, you end up paying for it through a damaged economy wrecked by the destruction of freedom.

    Higher costs and lower standards of living are the results of collectivism. If you wish to have a discussion about how freedom benefits mankind from a macroeconomic viewpoint, I’ll be happy to engage you there.

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm, watershed said:

    Film Ladd believes that violence against a sitting president is OK, as long as HE’S doing the violence! Anyone else, see, thats terrorism. He’s a genius. And… kinda violent!

    That’s not what I wrote.

    I wonder if you have some sort of mental deficiency or are on some sort of medication that makes it difficult for you to process information?

    I would prefer not to compete in the Special Olympics anymore than I would care to trade barbs with a legally incompetent individual.

    Part of the reason I come here is to test my logic, which means of course having discussions with the opposite side.

    But the effort is wasted if the opponent is incapable of addressing subjects in a lucid manner, and jumps from topic to topic like a frightened rabbit.

  45. #245
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:35 pm, flmom said:

    For me personally, this election affects me positively whichever way it goes. If Obama wins, I’m going to retire and close my business, looking forward to all those cruises I’ll be taking. If McCain wins, my taxes will not be raised and my business continues to grow, thereby enriching the nation in my own little way.
    I sleep well at nights, thank you waterspout.

  46. #246
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:35 pm, Misscheryl said:

    but rather, sensing “compromise” as weakness, they will always continue advancing, will always continue demanding more and more and more

    Which is evidence by what has been going on for the past 30 – 40 years.

  47. #247
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:33 pm, sonofdy said:

    I see michelle is still allowing watershed to run her main threads.

    God help me, I do love to engage the trolls on occasion :)

  48. #248
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, granite said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, jsr said:

    …and their economic misery is really prosperity because the former rich are no longer rich.

    Good post.

    Sort of reminds me of the story (paraphrased to the best of my memory) that gave a glimpse into the thought processes of so many of the citizens in the former (statist, after all) Soviet Union:

    There has been a slight relaxation of control, and citizens are allowed to keep a bit of the extra money they earn if they work harder.

    One farmer, Ivan, makes enough that he is able to buy his own cow!

    A Western reporter is covering this story.
    She asks Ivan’s neighbor, the farmer Boris, who doesn’t work quite as hard as Ivan, whether he wouldn’t also want to work to save an extra bit of money, and buy his own cow, as his neighbor Ivan has done.

    Boris’s answer:
    “No, I want Ivan’s cow to die!”

    There’s socialism/statism in a nutshell for you, folks.

  49. #249
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, FamilyMan said:

    I’m gone for one hour. I drained the waterlines for winter and made an extra $150 in my business.
    But watershed is still here.
    Hey watershed. I thought you had a very successful music school. Your not one of those evil business owners that uses the poor trodden masses to do your work are you? How else to you explain all this time on this blog.
    Me thinks there’s something fishy in your story.

  50. #250
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:38 pm, watershed said:

    #244

    And I thought you guys said OBAMA is the king of saying nothing really well. That was like 12 paragraphs of “YOU’RE STOOOPIT”. Really. It was!

    Please Film ladd, if you dont run away, tell me how YOUR version of violence against a sitting president is valid, and Ayers’ is not. How it doesnt make you both jut terrorists.

  51. #251
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, sonofdy said:

    God help me, I do love to engage the trolls on occasion

    Believe me, watershed is not worth it. He is an Obama attack dog. He is here to disrupt not discuss.

  52. #252
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, watershed said:

    3249

    We’re cool familyman. We’re cool. But feel free to ask me more questions about my patriotism/business/personal beliefs. Anything to get that blessed GOTCHA you crave so.

    I am just talking politics on the internet, aftr all. Doesn’t it deserve the third degree?

  53. #253
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, Flyoverman said:

    I find the whole discussion regarding Obama’s tax cuts fascinating in the abstract, when logic indicates they will never occur. Refer to post#218.

    Odds of an Obama tax cut of any kind are lower than a meteor striking my cat.

  54. #254
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:38 pm, watershed said:

    And I thought you guys said OBAMA is the king of saying nothing really well. That was like 12 paragraphs of “YOU’RE STOOOPIT”. Really. It was!

    Please Film ladd, if you dont run away, tell me how YOUR version of violence against a sitting president is valid, and Ayers’ is not. How it doesnt make you both jut terrorists.

    I’ll be happy to address that point (again) as soon as you address what I’ve already written re: health care. A topic which you raised, I might add.

    Demonstrate that you can think through what I have written and actually challenge my argument as written, as opposed to merely mouthing bromides and dim barbs.

  55. #255
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:44 pm, FamilyMan said:

    watershed said; Doesn’t it deserve the third degree? Sure it does.

  56. #256
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:46 pm, watershed said:

    God help me, I do love to engage the trolls on occasion

    You kidding? I am singlehandedly bringing Malkin’s precious pageviews up by engaging all of YOU. An echo chamber dowwnt really excite the re-reads. When I am gone, someone in the ad revenue dept is gonna miss me bad!

  57. #257
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:47 pm, Misscheryl said:

    one only has to look at these trolls to see the nature of the man Obama!

  58. #258
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:48 pm, watershed said:

    #251

    Sonofdy believes quote the only way to take Obama out is through militancy. So yes, by all means, ignore ME! I am the cuckoo.

  59. #259
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:49 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:46 pm, watershed said:

    Cuckoo for coco puffs.

  60. #260
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:50 pm, watershed said:

    #254

    Actually our discussion on violence against a sitting presidency is quite older, and still unresolved. But run away. Run away. Dont explain how you killing Obama isnt just like William Ayers. its cool!

  61. #261
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:52 pm, sonofdy said:

    Whatever watershed, whatever…

  62. #262
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:53 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:46 pm, watershed said:

    You kidding? I am singlehandedly bringing Malkin’s precious pageviews up by engaging all of YOU. An echo chamber dowwnt really excite the re-reads. When I am gone, someone in the ad revenue dept is gonna miss me bad!

    I was being quite serious, I do indeed love it.

    Would it be okay if we were to make you be here everyday from say, 9am to 5pm, through force of the State?

    I believe it is important for a collectivist to post his comments on this website on a regular basis for us to sharpen our wits.

    In fact, it is your duty – you should be ashamed if you do not, and therefore should have no objection if the State passes a law that forces you to be here from 9 to 5.

    We’ll work up some kind of radio tracking device to make sure you are at your computer, trying out your collectivist concepts here. Maybe two weeks off for vacation but no more – we’re not France, after all.

    If you have a problem with that, please take it up with your congressman, if you can get him on the phone.

    Thank you, and have a nice day.

  63. #263
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:54 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:50 pm, watershed said:

    Actually our discussion on violence against a sitting presidency is quite older, and still unresolved. But run away. Run away. Dont explain how you killing Obama isnt just like William Ayers. its cool!

    Never said that, so there is nothing to explain. Engage me fairly or not – I still find you amusing.

  64. #264
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, jsr said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, FamilyMan said:

    I thought you had a very successful music school.

    FamilyMan: I think what the troll meant was teaching my friends a few 3-bar chords heavy metal songs while smoking dope in my mothers basement

  65. #265
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, right4life said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, watershed

    can’t deal with the issues can ya now waterboy?

    you’re a typical left-wing stooge…unable to think for yourself…all you can do is parrot talking points!!

    you lib wackos are SO predictable..and lame!

  66. #266
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, granite said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, FilmLadd said:

    God help me, I do love to engage the trolls on occasion

    LOL!

    Keep on keeping on, FL.

    You are correct, of course.

    There is, of course, no equivalence – none – between:

    terrorists/anarchists employing violence in an attempt to destroy our nation/society/culture;

    and:

    law-abiding citizens defending our nation/society/culture against a takeover by allies (statists/socialists) of these terrorists/anarchists;
    a takeover of our nation/society/culture that has been weakened by 40+ years’ worth of incremental, difficult-to-recognize-at-the-time burrowing and bleeding by enemy parasites and leeches.

    And, sometimes, in defense, defenders have to use the same means as, or even stronger means than, their assailants.

    To paraphrase the saying, what good would a speech be at a fight where the enemy is swinging baseball bats?

  67. #267
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:57 pm, sambo said:

    watershed said:
    You kidding? I am singlehandedly bringing Malkin’s precious pageviews up by engaging all of YOU.

    Oh your so great waterhead…and so cool like you said a thousand times.

    Now be a good little hoe and go hang yourself up in the toolshed where you belong!

  68. #268
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:55 pm, granite said:
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, FilmLadd said:

    God help me, I do love to engage the trolls on occasion
    LOL!

    Keep on keeping on, FL.

    Ditto!

  69. #269
    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, sonofdy said:

    Never said that, so there is nothing to explain. Engage me fairly or not – I still find you amusing.

    He was talking to me. He is misquoting me, like he does to several people here. Trust me, he is not worth it. I further explained my views to him 3 times, but he never even bothered to to honestly admit I even did that. His is nothing but an Obama attack dog. Have fun with the guy if you want.

  70. #270
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:03 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, sonofdy said:

    He was talking to me. He is misquoting me, like he does to several people here. Trust me, he is not worth it. I further explained my views to him 3 times, but he never even bothered to to honestly admit I even did that. His is nothing but an Obama attack dog. Have fun with the guy if you want.

    Do you happen to know which thread all of that was in? I remember answering the subject but now can’t find my comment on it.

    Whether or not he is a paid Obamabot, it is important to know how the enemies of freedom think – or not, as the case may be.

  71. #271
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, wighttrasch said:

    so true, sonofdy, but I think calling him an attack dog is flattering.

    Dogs have a purpose, whether it is for protection or law enforcement or pet/friend.

    This thing thinks with and speaks from its’ anus.

  72. #272
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:06 pm, sonofdy said:

    Whether or not he is a paid Obamabot, it is important to know how the enemies of freedom think – or not, as the case may be.

    I already learned all I can from him. It was the front page one from yesterday. Apparantly he can see no senerio when any president will ever be needed to be removed by force no matter what they do.

  73. #273
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:07 pm, sonofdy said:
  74. #274
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pm, John Deaux said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:32 am, John Deaux said:
    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:05 am, watershed said:
    #169

    OK. Ask me a DIRECT (gasp) question. It’s not like I’m hiding from anyone, guy.

    Please explain how redistributing income through refundable tax credits, along with guaranteeing health care as a right, are not socialist.

    On October 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am, John Deaux said:
    Please answer the question. Simply saying “that’s my word” is not sufficient.

    And your answer would be?

  75. #275
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:19 pm, FilmLadd said:

    Thanks so much sonofdy!

    Watershed, here was my response to the violence thing: #359.

    So let’s get back to why you think mankind should be a slave to the causes (health care, war on poverty, etc.) of the State.

  76. #276
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:19 pm, watershed said:

    In terms of American history, the 60′s radicals thought that they were revolutionaries, and that violently taking out what they saw as an oppressive regime that was taking the country down was the only answer.

    And fascinatingly enough, here, at this fringe outpost website, we have discussion of revolution, of violence being the only way of taking out an oppressive regime that would destroy the country.

    The parallels are striking, and in my opinion, hilarious.

    60′s radical revolutionaries uaing violence, bad.

    Anti-Obama revolutionaries using violence, good!

    The best part? You haven’t even the insight to see the historical import of the comparison! I will get a “you’re a moron” mostly, or at best a “its OK because…it just IS” kind of post, but NO-ONE here sees the comparison!

    Fringe freakiness. It’s wild to watch.

  77. #277
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, FilmLadd said:

    Watershed, you may have missed it while you were typing out #276, but here was my response to the violence thing: #359.

    So let’s get back to why you think mankind should be a slave to the causes (health care, war on poverty, etc.) of the State, as you raised the subject here.

  78. #278
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    Watershed, I’ve never CALLED for an armed uprising. I’ve merely PREDICTED one, with “conditions precedent” that might set the stage for one, and the constitutional basis for having one..

    There are many actions citizens can take short of an armed uprising, such as massive civil disobedience. Remember the 60′s? Think we on the right aren’t capable of that?

    Apparently your HERO ayers didn’t believe in the civil disobenience, because he, your HERO, actually engaged in violence, but of the sneaky, traitorious, anonymous kind.

    There’s YOUR role model, right there…

  79. #279
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, FamilyMan said:

    John Deaux. Here is what watershed earlier
    “The second bill of rights as a concept is hardly new. And it doesnt involve changing the constitution”
    GET THE PICTURE

  80. #280
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:26 pm, flmom said:

    So a certain wet person here would equate the Boston Tea Party to the deeds of the Weathermen. All righty then.

  81. #281
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    Watershed is the ur-troll. He’s program to send, not to receive, and certainly not to think or communicate.

  82. #282
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, FamilyMan said:

    FilmLadd when watershed ignores your post, he is flattering you because he can’t answer it.

  83. #283
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, John Deaux said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:25 pm, FamilyMan said:
    John Deaux. Here is what watershed earlier
    “The second bill of rights as a concept is hardly new. And it doesnt involve changing the constitution”
    GET THE PICTURE

    Watercarrier wanted a DIRECT question and I gave one, but I’m still waiting for an answer. I know he’s all for socialism, but doesn’t want to call it that. I guess he’s hiding.

  84. #284
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:29 pm, granite said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 12:11 pm, sambo said:

    granite said:
    Are you not reminded just a little of the kids in high school who would go out of their way, who would make an effort, to be annoying…for no other reason than to annoy?

    and always with a teacher or administrator in sight!

    Sounds about right.

    I wonder, if in addition to actively trying their best to annoy, they weren’t also the type in high school that would get beaten up just for the hell of it.
    I used to think that they didn’t deserve to get beaten up; now, I’m not so sure….

  85. #285
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:31 pm, granite said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    …the ur-troll. He’s program to send, not to receive, and certainly not to think or communicate.

    Sort of like a read-only CD-ROM.

    Good one!

    Deserves a rimshot!

  86. #286
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, watershed said:

    #277

    And yes, I read it and responded.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/28/obama-cultists-cry-wolf-n-word-yelled-at-palin-rally-not/comment-page-4/#comment-519398

    And the post directly below it as well, for good measure.

  87. #287
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:19 pm, watershed said:

    The best part? You haven’t even the insight to see the historical import of the comparison!

    It was already addressed. How did you get this job with this aversion to reading that you seem to have?

    Was it some kind of nepotism thing? A campaign manager at the Obama camp had a good-for-nothing nephew that couldn’t get work or something?

    Are you getting paid for the post like ACORN pays for a completed registration form?

    I will get a “you’re a moron” mostly, or at best a “its OK because…it just IS” kind of post, but NO-ONE here sees the comparison!

    Your debate style is so MSNBC. If you’d actually engage people on what they write or don’t, then you would get fewer comments in regards to your mental capacity.

    I understand it is hard to be creative with your kommissar campaign manager breathing over your neck as you type on the computer, but try to relax and really engage.

    They won’t throw you in prison for making a mistake. Not yet anyway.

  88. #288
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pm, watershed said:

    #283

    I answered your question. Go look! I guess just not, what, troll-y enough?

    And the charge that I am HIDING is of course wackadoo, as I am the most conspicuous poster here, John Deaux. that’s not really gonna stick in my craw, or hold up to scrutiny.

    Chill. I get a LOT of responses. Most are the “you’re an idiot” kind, granted, but othe ones I do respond to take time.

  89. #289
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pm, emjem24 said:

    watershed said:
    #199

    Strawman.

    The tax burden will be SHIFTED to the wealthy from the middle class. SOCIALISM is your word.

    Health care should be a right for every American. Choosing an ideology over the well being of your fellow Americans is in my view, sociopathic and at the very least, unpatriotic. But this place stalked and hounded a sick 12 year old boy and his family for months, so I should probably know who I am talking to!

    How is health care a right? How is it fair to make Americans pay for others’ healthcare? How? The federal government can’t run the post office or the school system efficiently, what makes you think healthcare will fare any better? Just because you want a freebie doesn’t mean that everybody else has to pay for it.

    If you think the tax burden will actully be “shifted” from the middle class to the wealthy, then you haven’t mastered mathematics all that well. Why is Biden lowering the salary of those who must be taxed from 250k to 150k. What will be the effect of the wealthy paying more taxes? What is plan B if Obummer doesn’t get all the funding for the “fairness” he envisions?

    How much of the military will Obummer cut to refashion America? I’m not talking about Iraq here either. How less safe will we be when Obummer sticks it to the military like Clinton did?

    It reflects you well when you think it’s fair for one group of people to pay virtually all the taxes while everybody else lives off of their ingenuity, risk, and success. It reveals the true nature of human weakness that the Obummer candidacy appeals to. Obummer is popular with low-income, minorities, even the educated who think freebies are great as long as they don’t have to pick up the tab.

    It didn’t work in Europe. That’s why their economies (except Ireland) are stagnant and why their social welfare states are having trouble paying for their socialized healthcare system (just look at Great Britain).

  90. #290
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, farmgal said:

    Great article Michelle! I hope that the media is one of the biggest losers in this election,besides Obama of course.

  91. #291
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, watershed said:

    #287

    OBAMA PLANT!!!! LOL. Totally awesome. Boy, you nailed it! that sure makes ME look bad, and doesnt sound paranoid or fringe-y AT ALL.

    just a guy discussing politics on the ol internets.

  92. #292
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, watershed said:

    And the post directly below it as well, for good measure.

    Got it, thanks. My but you are a busy little collectivist aren’t you? Type, collectivist, type! But try to read once in a while too…

  93. #293
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:42 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, watershed said:

    OBAMA PLANT!!!! LOL. Totally awesome. Boy, you nailed it! that sure makes ME look bad, and doesnt sound paranoid or fringe-y AT ALL.

    Yes I thought it was funny too. You also seem to have no sense of humor. That was a joke. Well I guess we’re stuck with our version of Keith Olbermann right here on Malkin’s site.

    Type little collectivist, type!

  94. #294
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:42 pm, FamilyMan said:

    farmgal said:
    I hope that the media is one of the biggest losers in this election,besides Obama of course.

    They have already lost a large percentage of readers and views in the last 12 months.
    Small steps to big victories.

  95. #295
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Ya. Watershed appears to have a major problem. Arsonist mentality is my best diagnoses.
    What do you think folks.

  96. #296
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, John Deaux said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pm, watershed said:
    #283

    I answered your question. Go look! I guess just not, what, troll-y enough?

    You told me that socialism is my word, that’s all. That’s not an answer.

    How are redistribution of income and guaranteed health care not socialist?

  97. #297
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:48 pm, flmom said:

    Waterspout said: just a guy discussing politics spouting Democratic talking points on the ol internets.

    You don’t have to thank me.

  98. #298
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:49 pm, emjem24 said:

    Watershed #276:

    I think your comparison is lacking in both historical relevance and factual argument. The ’60′s overtuned not just political but social/sexual mores. It’s the sort of thing that happened after the Bolsheviks took over after the Russian Revolution.

    If Obummer tries to overturn people’s RIGHTS and not just political, social, or cultural mores, there will be consequences. How would you feel if government started doing the following:

    1. Institute the Fairness Doctrine so that only one political viewpoint colors the commentary and coverage.

    2. Take away peoples’ guns so that they cannot protect themselves or go hunting.

    3. Overly tax a citizen to make things so fair that everyone is equally poor and miserable.

    4. Downsize the military so that the country can no longer protect itself.

    If Obummer crosses the line into something not quite so democratic, do you think the military will stand for it? The military already doesn’t trust Obummer so will they follow someone who takes their fellow citizens’ rights away?

    The first American revolution was about taxation without representation. What you fail to recognize is that there are many Americans who resent being taxed for things they’ve already paid for (like vehicles). People are voting based on emotion, not reason. If that emotion turns into something significantly less harmonious like a deep recession, steep job losses, and a depletion of rights in favor of equal poverty, what recourse will Americans have?

  99. #299
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:52 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pm, FamilyMan said:

    I think we should put it out of its misery.
    What? Being threatened was the impetus for his disappearance the last time. 8-)

  100. #300
    On October 29th, 2008 at 1:53 pm, cicerokid said:

    On October 29th, 2008 at 10:31 am, watershed said:
    #116

    “I know you think that a living wage and education and health care are all bad things for every American to have, I just don’t know why.”

    Do you know

    anyone

    that does not have this now? Then define:

    Living wage.

    Education.

    Health care.

    Define these, then again, tell me you know ONE person that does not have all of the above.

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