Damned if you do, damned if you don’t

By Michelle Malkin  •  October 30, 2008 10:26 AM

Sigh.

Obama suppporter Charles Ogletree, Harvard professor, says that even if you vote for Obama, you’re still a raaaaaaaaaaaacist!

Ogletree is rumored to be Obama’s pick for Assistant AG in charge of civil rights.

We’re Screwed ‘08!

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  1. #522187
    On October 30th, 2008 at 12:42 pm, madchef said:

    On October 30th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, pianoman said

    So, I guess, color me a racist.

    How true, when I was a boy I had the measles. I was polkadot.

  2. #522190
    On October 30th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, old_texan said:

    If racism is rampant in America why do we have black politicians, lawyers, doctors, educators, firemen, police, business owners, MILLIONAIRS, etc.

    Racism is a mirage. Laziness is rampant in America for sure.

  3. #522191
    On October 30th, 2008 at 12:43 pm, cicerokid said:

    LGM said:”Obama’s advisors are classier as a group than McCain’s.”

    What class wuld that be? Proletariat? Ruling class? Class clown?

  4. #522212
    On October 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm, John Ansell said:

    Update on the Obama Hanging, You see, when the guys in W. Hollywood had Palin’s effigy, nobody from Obama’s campaign went to them and asked them to take it down. McCain’s campaign, on the other hand, dispatched people and asked her to take down her “statement”.

  5. #522241
    On October 30th, 2008 at 12:57 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    So this is a sample of a race-baiter… Harvard Graduate or not… that Obama would choose as AAG?

    By the way… Affirmative action likely got him his spot and kept him in school.

    I have as much right to say that as he has to say that white people are racist even if they vote for Obama.

    And this guy supports race-based reparations.

    Well, well. Too bad the blacks he wants reparations for were never slaves. And the people he wants paying reparations didn’t have any slaves.

    If that’s his position, I am as justified in stating the following.

    I want reparations for all the crimes committed against whites by blacks.

    Let’s go. Fork over the cash Charley.

  6. #522244
    On October 30th, 2008 at 12:58 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Granite said; School accomplishment depends predominantly on the character and effort of the individual student.

    You are absolutely correct.

  7. #522263
    On October 30th, 2008 at 1:05 pm, RetFireman said:

    Obama suppporter Charles Ogletree, Harvard professor, says that even if you vote for Obama, you’re still a raaaaaaaaaaaacist!

    Well then that throws out the “White Guilt” argument that people are using to vote for him.

    If you are damned if you do and damned if you don’t, then why continue to vote for him?

    Heck, I am beginning to get used to being a racist already. If voting against Socialism, a proven REAL racist, anti-American, anti-Constitution, pro-Islam (don’t be disengenuous…I did not call him Islamic, I stated the fact that he is pro-Islam as I find it to be factual based on his words and deeds towards Iran, and the craving to surrender to our enemies), defeatist candidate means that I am a racist, that is.

  8. #522319
    On October 30th, 2008 at 1:20 pm, cheapseat said:

    watershed, your argument violates einstiens definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result. isn’t that what obama is preaching, hope over experience. hope over what i’ve done in the past. read my lips, don’t believe your lying eyes.

  9. #522327
    On October 30th, 2008 at 1:23 pm, flenser said:

    graduating Harvard is a real accomplishment that takes talent and hard work. Graduating Bob Jones University takes only a pulse.

    Bush graduated from Yale. And yet I don’t recall all your posts praising him for being talented and hard working.

  10. #522374
    On October 30th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    Good point flenser.

    And shall we bring up the allegations of Ogletree’s plagiarism? Seems Charley wasn’t as diligent as one might expect as a Harvard graduate. Tsk tsk Chuck.

  11. #522446
    On October 30th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, SoCal said:

    McCain on illegal immigration:

    “There were a lot of elderly people there [in Iowa],” McCain said, “and they seemed to be genuinely frightened. A woman said, ‘This is terrible. I have to dial 1 for English. They’re destroying our culture.’ And I said, ‘Ma’am, you know the greatness of America is that we’ve had wave after wave of new blood, new vitality…There is no reason for you to be frightened.‘ “

  12. #522457
    On October 30th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, Paul-Cincy said:

    It’s hard to be a racist these days. So tiring. You’re a racist 24/7. Always on call, people think of you, they look at you, and point. And the pay sucks. You can say you’ve changed, and beg forgiveness, and it means nothing. Sisyphus had nothing on us racists. Keep the faith.

  13. #522475
    On October 30th, 2008 at 2:42 pm, SoCal said:

    Chicago Tribune reason to support Obama

    McCain’s appalling judgment in selecting Palin has been cited by Colin Powell, several high-profile conservative intellectuals and scores of newspaper editorial boards as a reason to support Obama.

    They just don’t get we “non-intellectuals” conservatives…

  14. #522482
    On October 30th, 2008 at 2:47 pm, flaming_o said:

    With friends like Charles Ogletree, why would Obama need trolls?

  15. #522494
    On October 30th, 2008 at 2:54 pm, flaming_o said:

    Does Prof Ogletree support Sen Obama or not?

    According to the (I’m sure) highly-respected professor, I, as a white person, can see that the senator, as a partially-black person, is not soooooo black that I can’t vote for him. Does that make the senator tooooo white for the professor? I wonder. After all, the professor brought up the subject. I didn’t.

  16. #522512
    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, cheapseat said:

    if you heard rush today, he read a blogger’s story which said the obamites are targetting “rightwing ” blogs such as this to inturrupt and discourage people. gee are you discouraged or peeved. vote early because the stampede of mccain voting democrats may be huge.

  17. #522518
    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:07 pm, Yashmak said:

    Do we want the nation’s elite in top positions, or do we want second rate hacks?

    – lgm

    A degree from Harvard alone doesn’t make you ‘elite’. Intelligence and education do not necessarily indicate a person is moral or has any integrity whatsoever.

    Personally, I’d rather have someone with a long record of doing what he thinks is right, even if it means bucking his party’s positions. Obama has neither a long record, OR really any indication he’s willing to buck his party’s positions on much of anything. If anything, he’s the hack in this race.

  18. #522521
    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    lgm: Don’t you dare, just don’t you dare call ANYONE on this site a racist. Coming from a screaming raaaaciiiist liberal, this is the ultimate in hypocrisy! My husband who just happens to be “black” but calls himself an American told a liberal associate that he voted for McCain and he was called an Uncle Tom. So, don’t you dare, just don’t you dare. EVERY single one the the people I know who claim to be liberal Democrats always talk about race. The white liberals always accuse Republicans of racism, but listen to liberal Democrats talk and I KNOW who the racists are. Spare me your BS!!!

  19. #522557
    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:30 pm, lgm said:

    SoCal said:

    They just don’t get we us “non-intellectuals” conservatives…

    Joe Plumber doesn’t have to know a lot about government. But the leader of the free world should, even the vice leader.

    Case in point: taxes. Joe can demand tax cuts without worrying about balancing the budget. It’s irresponsible for McCain to say he’s going to cut taxes without proposing balancing spending cuts. “Waste” is not enough.

    said:

    lgm: Don’t you dare, just don’t you dare call ANYONE on this site a racist.

    I haven’t, except the one who called me a “self hating Jew”.

  20. #522578
    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, granite said:

    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    Good post!

    BTW, I’m related to your husband, like that guy related to Joe the Plumber holding up the sign a few days ago…we’re Americans!

    Keep on (you and your husband) keeping on!

  21. #522580
    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, nail49 said:

    Do we want the nation’s elite in top positions, or do we want second rate hacks?

    lgm, my Dad never graduated college, but he served in the Army for 32 years starting with being drafted in WWII and then he became a ‘Mustang’ — an enlisted man who gets commissioned.
    He subsequently served in the Korean War and in Vietnam (as did I).
    When I was promoted to colonel (in the Air Force), I proudly wore the eagles he pinned on when he was in Vietnam.
    He was certainly no ‘elite’ but he commanded an artillery battalion, was on the JCS and was a Command Director in NORAD.
    He was a far better person than many ‘elites’ I have seen ’serving’ this country — like John Kerry (who falsely accused us Vietnam vets of war crimes) or John Murtha (who did likewise), or Teddy Kennedy who has only served himself (Mary Jo was not available for comment).

  22. #522586
    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:39 pm, sambo said:

    lgm said:
    SoCal said:

    They just don’t get we us “non-intellectuals” conservatives…
    Joe Plumber doesn’t have to know a lot about government. But the leader of the free world should, even the vice leader.

    Case in point: taxes. Joe can demand tax cuts without worrying about balancing the budget. It’s irresponsible for McCain to say he’s going to cut taxes without proposing balancing spending cuts. “Waste” is not enough.

    Ah, thats kinda like Obama’s speach that he gave in 2003, or all the positions Obama had before he had any say…all that $hit ment nothing!

    Glad to see that you’ve wised up!

  23. #522602
    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:45 pm, RetFireman said:

    Typical Liberal…confusing a degree with intelligence.

  24. #522608
    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:47 pm, granite said:

    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:34 pm, nail49 said:

    Also an excellent post.

    Thank you, and your father, for your service.

    My father also was in the Army in WWII.
    He lost a brother in the Navy during the war.

    Might I be allowed to ask a question about John Kerry?
    Yes, I know he was in the Service (I was not). But, who on earth takes along a film crew into the Service in the first place, never mind into combat?
    How was that allowed?

    I can just imagine how long I would have lasted in my internship if I’d brought a film crew to follow me around as I treated hurt, sick, and dying patients.
    Maybe 5 minutes, before I’d have been out on my ***.

    Again, thank you for your service.

  25. #522620
    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:52 pm, corkie said:

    On October 30th, 2008 at 12:19 pm, lgm said:

    And (to answer others), graduating Harvard is a real accomplishment that takes talent and hard work.

    Not true and you know it!

    Once you’re in it’s easy to graduate. Should we discuss what it takes to get in?

  26. #522633
    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:55 pm, corkie said:

    On October 30th, 2008 at 3:30 pm, lgm said:

    I haven’t, except the one who called me a “self hating Jew”.

    lgm, quotation marks should only be used when making an exact reference to a statement.

    Please check and publish a correction appropriately.

  27. #522657
    On October 30th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, nail49 said:

    But, who on earth takes along a film crew into the Service in the first place, never mind into combat?
    How was that allowed?

    Granite, I served 22 years in the AF, my brother served 11 in the USMC (also flying fighters) and Mom served in the Royal Artillery (AAA) shoting at German airplanes (and V-1’s) in East Anglia and was on the Continent (Antwerp) on V-E Day. Service ran throughout our family — don’t get me started on grandfathers! Not bragging, just saying that many have served and I am honored to be among them.

    About a film crew — my understanding is Kerry carried an 8MM with him and would have others take footage of him. THere was a guy in my squadron in Vietnam who made a mini-documentary on his 8MM and it was quite poignant and informative — he would make some edits, we would hang a sheet on the wall and watch his production while sipping a beer. It was, however, NOT about him, unlike Kerry’s footage.

    Most of us bought cameras and took photos of our experiences, but few carried a camera.

  28. #522662
    On October 30th, 2008 at 4:08 pm, nail49 said:

    Most of us bought cameras and took photos of our experiences, but few carried a camera.

    Should have said, many carried cameras but few carried movie cameras — film was hard to get and process plus the old 8MM’s were hard to lug around and went through film quite fast.

  29. #522684
    On October 30th, 2008 at 4:22 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On October 30th, 2008 at 10:48 am, lgm said:

    Charles Ogletree is a professor at Harvard. Monica Goodling was a graduate of Bob Jones University, that barely accredited bastion of wingnuttery. Do we want the nation’s elite in top positions, or do we want second rate hacks?

    Competence is 90% of good government. Ideology is the other 10%.

    I can’t make a habit of doing this, but I’m posting a response to lgm from a commenter on my blog (who isn’t registered to comment here)…

    sweetakin Says:
    on MM, please tell lgm that Monica Goodling was a graduate of Messiah College, NOT Bob Jones University. I assure you that graduating from BJU takes much more than a pulse. It is one tough academic school with many more demands placed on students than your typical academic setting. I believe that even BEFORE the new president took over, the old rule against bi-racial dating was eliminated. lgm doesn’t know anything about BJU except what he’s read on liberal blogs. (again, sorry, but had to get it said!)

  30. #522691
    On October 30th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, Wayfaring Stranger said:

    The Ogletree’s of this world are proof that an education can’t necessarily cure ignorance.

    And definitely can’t cure stupid.

  31. #522713
    On October 30th, 2008 at 4:41 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    My personal message to lgm:

    Many of us understand that the “elite” universities have been taken over by the Vast Left-Wing Communist Conspiracy.

    We’ve seen how the fascist Commies are using their positions of authority to stifle “Intelligent” debate.

    Elitest leftists like you like to pretend that someone who went to Harvard is better than someone who went to a Christian school.

    You’re wrong.

    As an example, I would be no less intelligent if I had graduated from Bob Jones university instead of my “elite” alma mater.

    Our founders acknowledged that it is a self-evident truth that all men are created (by their Creator) equal.

    God does not show partiality, and neither should we.

    Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality.

    Acts 10:34

    Snobbish elitism is just one more reason why a majority of Americans can’t stand Barack and love Sarah!

  32. #522737
    On October 30th, 2008 at 5:01 pm, Wayfaring Stranger said:

    On October 30th, 2008 at 11:11 am, sambo said:

    madchef said:
    I will never vote for anyone who wishes to give government more power. I will never vote for a man who seeks to destroy the greatest nation on earth by diminishing the rights of it’s people.

    How about a man that believes he knows more than the founding fathers and a man that can bring people together better than the founder of Christianity?

    sambo, I’m with madchef (love that moniker btw :D ) when he (?) says NEVER!

    But I would also remind folks that Christ mission wasn’t bringing people together anymore than He was a community organizer – though He did draw huge crowds (without the aid of a rock concert! ;) ):

    “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword.

    ‘I have come to set a man against his father,
    a daughter against her mother,
    and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
    Your enemies will be right in your own household!’

    That’s from Matthew 10:34-36 (NIV) (where Jesus refers to the words of the prophet Micah in chapter 7 verse 6); the full context is that He has chosen His disciples and is trying to tell them what the real cost of following him will be (see Matthew 10 in its entirety).

    My point is simply to illustrate how unlike the true Messiah the One is.

    I know who holds me in the palm of His hand – and it isn’t the big Zero. :cool:

  33. #522777
    On October 30th, 2008 at 5:29 pm, Wildcatter1980 said:

    Have I mentioned lately that an apology and reparations for slavery may very well be a priority if The One becomes President with a Democrat Congress?

    Oh, and any criticism will be met with you know what.

    RAAAAACIST!

  34. #522804
    On October 30th, 2008 at 5:59 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    I’m sure most will agree that there are very many good decent respectable black people in America and then there are “n*****s”. bo and his woman and the people they hang out with are the latter. I’m not going to vote for either half of this POS….white or black. We don’t even know if he is a legal canidate. Where was he born? I know there will be no black people voting for him. http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr10-17-08.html This is a must see video of a black pastor talking about bo. How I wish this was on TV last night rather than bo.

  35. #522832
    On October 30th, 2008 at 6:34 pm, lgm said:

    ITookTheRedPill said (#130):

    Elitest leftists like you like to pretend that someone who went to Harvard is better than someone who went to a Christian school.

    Not what I said. There are academically talented people at every place.

    You’re wrong.

    As an example, I would be no less intelligent if I had graduated from Bob Jones university instead of my “elite” alma mater.

    I agree. The difference is that Monica Goodling would not have had the opportunity to go to Harvard (not distinguished in high school) and would not have been able to graduate Harvard had she got in (not academically talented). Not every smart person is from Harvard, but most people from Harvard are smart.

    nail49

    You don’t need a college degree to be capable of greatness (Truman). But you do need to acknowledge that becoming a Harvard prof is evidence of serious smarts (which was the original issue). Also, I believe Kerry and the men who served with him rather than Republican paid Swiftboaters who did not.

  36. #522844
    On October 30th, 2008 at 6:53 pm, granite said:

    On October 30th, 2008 at 4:06 pm, nail49 said:

    Thank you for the info.

    And, thank you again for your service.

  37. #522925
    On October 30th, 2008 at 8:59 pm, psCargile said:

    In regards to the lists of cities that haven’t faired well under black leadership, others in my state of Georgia come to mind, Macon, Milledgville (while under Griffin), and Sparta. Now certainly, I believe that there are cities and towns under black leadership that do well; they don’t make the news because they are doing a good job and aren’t screwing things up so bad as to garner negative attention.

    I think a black candidate running for office, or who has been elected to office that has an agenda to “get back” at whites or non-blacks for some perceived or real discrimination or oppression that he/she may or may not have experienced will be prone to making bad governance decisions. There are many white or nor-black office holders that are ineffectual as well, but it is highly unlikely that they are motivated by a grudge against another race they deem oppresive. And as socialism is the ideology of making everyone equal (homogenity, not the diversity that is championed), blacks, having experienced inequalities are more likly to initiate socialist policies. And since socialist policies are an attempt to reach an Ideal Human Society, instead of adhering to human natural behaivors of competition and meritocracy, they fail.

    Judgment of character is still the issue when voting for any candidate. Yet, some candidates’ characters are related to their race. Because of their race they experienced inequalities. Is it then in their character to exact some sort of revenge on another race? This is a legitimate question. The candidate that does is not seeking to heal past societal wrongs through forgiveness, but seeks to exerbate those wounds so that they cannot heal.
    Has Senator Obama himself expressioned an desire to “get back” at whites, or wealthy whites in particular in the pages of his books? If so, is this desire a quality of leadership that people want? If people do what this, then who are these people? Are they people that have something to gain from such leadership?

    We are differnt. We have different histories, different ethnicities, different cultures. We should be allowed to make observations and comments on these differencies free from the assumption that we do so because we fear or hate those we observe and make comment. We are free to point out similarities without reprisal.

  38. #522936
    On October 30th, 2008 at 9:25 pm, keystone said:

    I want to scream at the top of my lungs. These people are beyond unhinged and irrational.

  39. #522964
    On October 30th, 2008 at 10:41 pm, garydt said:

    FooldropCup,, I don’t think LGM went to any university or college, this is why he doesn’t answer most folks on basick simple questions. don’t be shocked if LGM never answers you, he is unable or won’t answer. As for BO running a more exciting race, it would be easy if you have the whole national media backing you up and supporting BO’s lies.

  40. #522965
    On October 30th, 2008 at 10:46 pm, garydt said:

    LGM, since you admit you are of the Jewish faith, what Old Testament verse tells you to support your late term and born alive abortions? You are indeed are a prideful man and who lacks any joy in your life.

  41. #523016
    On October 31st, 2008 at 12:46 am, Jet Jaguar said:

    On October 30th, 2008 at 10:41 pm, garydt said:

    FooldropCup,, I don’t think LGM went to any university or college, this is why he doesn’t answer most folks on basick simple questions. don’t be shocked if LGM never answers you, he is unable or won’t answer. As for BO running a more exciting race, it would be easy if you have the whole national media backing you up and supporting BO’s lies.

    Like a dog that returns to its vomit, so lgm returns to his folly. (a la Prov 26:11)

    He is the kind of scum that Obama attracts.

  42. #523155
    On October 31st, 2008 at 9:29 am, nail49 said:

    Also, I believe Kerry and the men who served with him rather than Republican paid Swiftboaters who did not.

    lgm, you can fact-check the men who served with Kerry at this web-site:
    http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=SwiftPhoto#
    There you will find a photograph with a caption stating, “This photograph of John Kerry and 19 other Coastal Division 11 Swift boat officers was taken at Ton Son Nhut Air Base on January 22, 1969, immediately following a meeting with General Abrams and Admiral Zumwalt.”

    The caption continues, “The Kerry campaign featured the photograph in an advertisement released in May titled Lifetime. Swift Vets and POWs for Truth has contacted surviving members of this group to find out how many actually support John Kerry, and discovered that of 19 Swift boat skippers pictured other than Kerry, 12 consider him unfit, 2 are neutral, two have died, and 3 now support Kerry. Four other officers were not present for the photo session; 3 oppose Kerry and one is neutral.”

    It concludes with, “On June 1, 2004, Swift Vets and POWs for Truth (then named Swift Boat Veterans for Truth) sent a cease and desist letter to John Kerry for President, Inc. on behalf of 11 officers shown in the photograph, pointing out that using their images in a campaign advertisement ‘wrongfully and incorrectly suggests their present endorsement of his candidacy.’”

    So, lgm, you choose to believe 3 men who served with Kerry rather than 15 who also served with him unfit? Of course, in a liberal’s mind 3 votes beats 12 because the 3 are righteous and the 15 are not — plus you get the dead men’s votes!

    Might I remind you these are men who, like any of us who served in the armed forces, took an oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Care to think which camp most of us believe Kerry, BHO, Reid, Pelosi, et al belong in?

    BTW, can you prove the 12 were in the pay of Republicans or is this something you read on Huffington?

  43. #523203
    On October 31st, 2008 at 10:09 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    you do need to acknowledge that becoming a Harvard prof is evidence of serious smarts (which was the original issue).

    Sorry, lgm. No sale. The elite universities have been taken over by the Vast Left-Wing Communist Conspiracy, and once Barack Hussein Obama became Bill Ayers’ “Chosen One”, Bill made sure Barack got accepted to Harvard. (And it appears Bill Ayers also ghost wrote “Obama’s” book).

    Where are Obama’s Harvard transcripts to show just how smart he was?

  44. #525911
    On November 3rd, 2008 at 9:57 am, SoCal said:

    you do need to acknowledge that becoming a Harvard prof is evidence of serious smarts (which was the original issue).

    They are not hired because of their “smarts” but rather because of their political leanings and writings; will they fit in and sell the party line.

  45. #527105
    On November 3rd, 2008 at 6:49 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    On October 30th, 2008 at 12:29 pm, tre said:

    Elm Creek Smith, I saw on your blog that you live in Owasso, OK. My sister works in a Reasor’s grocery store there.

    I was just in there last night. It’s a good store. Needed American cheese and milk.

    ECS

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