Voter fraud chic at The Gap; Update: Gap’s response
Fausta’s Blog spotted the perfect fashion accessory for Obamacorn canvassers — on display at The Gap:
Gap’s garbly response?
Here you go:
Dear gap.com Customer,
Thank you for sharing your concerns regarding Gap’s current “Vote for
___.” campaign.Gap has always stood for self-expression and individuality, and with one of the nation’s most important elections on the horizon, we’ve launched a program that encourages people to express their opinions and ideas. The Limited Edition Vote Buttons were designed by ten renowned artists, and the “VOTE TWICE!” button was designed by John Waters. Also, a portion of the proceeds from every button sold will go to “Declare Yourself”.
We value each of our employees’ and our customers’ unique ideas and opinions. It is not our intention to offend anyone in any way.
Thank you again for contacting us.
Sincerely,
Shelly
Customer Service Consultant
Ah, John Waters. Well, that explains everything.
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Neither do I SoCal…it infuriates me.
Actually, according Federal Law, if they are NOT non-partisan it is illegal.
There is a MOUND of ACORN documents and e-mails that proves they are NOT non-partisan. But it is too late to do anything by the election.
If a group like ACORN wants credability you would think their MANAGERS and SUPERVISORS would not want Mickey Mouse to go forward. Why do their managers allow them to go forward?
They are required by LAW to submit the fake names. And please tell me how MICKEY MOUSE or even 500 or 5000 MICKEY MOUSES are going to actually vote? They cannot.
Fake registration is not cool. I agree and never said otherwise. However, this mickey mouse thing is not going to effect the outcome of the election, much less DESTROY OUR DEMOCRACY.
ooops hit submit too soon
Not to mention the last Washington State gubernatorial election.
Watershed thinks the criminal act of fraudulent registration is okay.
cool.
It may not destroy Democracy but it DOES destroy our TRUST in ACORN
Are they all still in the third grade?
ACORN third graders designing buttons, just super.
Did anyone else notice that there is red on the top of the button and many stars as well? Perhaps i’m off on a limb, but is it possible they are sending subconscious communist propaganda?
Sonofdy wants to take out Obama by militant action. Cool.
#107
YES. ABSOLUTELY.
“VOTE TWICE???” WTF kind of response it that? Was that supposed to make it better?
Oh, I didn’t realize that all of the thousands of bogus voter registrations were in the name of Mickey Mouse or other obviously fictional identities. How stupid. You’d think that at least a few of them would have been in the name of John Smith or something.
Creating and perpetuating a system whereby the submission of fraudulent voter registrations is encouraged and then not expecting that at least some of those fraudulent registrations will be used to cast fraudulent votes is like preparing the steak and putting it on your plate but not eating it… it defies logic, and wastes a hell of a lot of effort.
This thread is a polluted shambles.
Have fun with the trolls.
GAP….another place i won’t be spending money.
Its the Gap. Its a store for middle to upper middle class kids trying desperately to be hipsters. The button is supposed to be ironic. I’ll bet if they sold “Vote McCain” tees there too, they would fly off the shelves.
You are right You Cant Cure Stupid.
They also have buttons that say Vote for Donuts and Vote for Robots.
These badges are not a big deal, they sell all sorts of stupid things there.
I think I may have found the GAP’s CEO e-mail address:
glenn_murphy@gap.com
also custserv@gap.com
Neither of these have bounced back.
On October 30th, 2008 at 10:47 am, chapoutier said:
Ain’t it funny how “ironic” only goes in the same direction as “politically correct”?
And did the Gap flack expect anyone to say, “Oh, John Waters, the geek with the Sharpie mustache? Then I’m cool with it.”
I’ve seen a Vote Spongebob button.
can you say canned corporate puke?? who writes this stuff anyway….If I was their professor, I’d give them an “D” for dumb….
I wouldnt waste your time writing the Gap about a silly ” and meaningless vote twice” button, Malkinites. But if you do, tell them what website you frequent. Maybe it’ll make some minor news.
mookie:
There is no non-profit group funded by George Soros and illegal Obama donors dedicated to electing donuts and robots.
whoops! edit your posts better watershed.
One more thing, Mookie: Nobody’s going to vote for a donut. But it looks like a donut hole might win Tuesday night.
Not yet.
The button should fit right in with B. HUSSEIN’S philosophy… Coming from the land of RICHARD DALY the 1st and 2nd, VOTE EARLY AND VOTE OFTEN!!!
Is your Old Glory Robot Insurance premium paid up? I know mine is.
I have an idea. Why don’t they put a completely disgusting reprobate in charge of their marketing.
That’s the worst non-answer I’ve seen in a long time.
To see scripture quoted by someone who probably thinks Jesus was just some cool, unjudgemental dude offends me.
It is NOT a ‘pithy comment’.
It is the word of G-d.
And I’ll beat you to it before you use it on me–”The Pharisees strain out a gnat, but swallow a camel”.
Are you saying God can’t be pithy?
Jesus people. Get a grip.
God is HILARIOUS. Look at the platypus!
On October 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am, watershed said:
Just popped back in for a moment from my (enforced) working to pay the government-funded salaries of ACORN workers to say…
Remember watershed: Atlas will shrug eventually, and you will be reduced to drinking feces-polluted street puddles for sustenance as you dodge burning tires.
Enjoy your status while you can, there is only so much that the slaves will put up with from the plantation owner.
That’s LIBERALISM. ANYTHING GOES- NO BOUNDS !!
Nice try Shigdot. Now scoot along to the satanic mass.
and chapoutier? No, I’m saying you can’t be pithy by claiming G-d’s work.
#137
Yeah, you said that, the Atlas Shrugged reference. I thought it was clever the first time.
Too late for that – remember those orange fleece pullovers from a few years back? Yuck!
Please excuse me, as I have not read the rest of the comments, but knowing that it was John Waters who designed that button, I can only think that his tongue was planted so far into his cheek that it will require a surgeon and othodontist in order for it to be removed.
I can see just how he may have been commenting about the entire “Vote Twice” issue, and not necessarily asking people to vote twice.
I, myself, would consider getting a button like that if only to engage Liberals on their attempots to steal elections using the dead and repeat voters, especially in Ohio.
Just saying, that if it came from Waters, you can pretty much know tha there was nothing but the deepest sarcasm meant.
Multiple Participatory Democracy?
RetFireman Your right. It was just a badly timed joke.
I completely agree. Being a fan of John Waters (and also relatively conservative), I know that many of his movies , though sick and wrong to some people, provide an underlying commentary on society. If you watch his movie “Desparate Living” (not for the faint of heart), which was released in the early 70′s, you will find a movie that sends a message on the misery of a government with too much power over its citizens.
I think Waters created that button with sarcasm in mind – especially with what is going on during this election. That is all. Thank you.
I was wrong – Desparate Living came out in 1977, not the early 70′s.
There. I feel better.
Watershed,
Do you have a rational explanation why ACORN would knowingly perpetuate a system of voter registration that brings in massive numbers of obviously fraudulent registrations?
If their goal was to enfranchise the disenfranchised, why create a mechanism that creates incentives to fake registrations? It does not accomplish the goals stated. So, if they are not achieving the goals stated, then maybe the goals are not what you believe them to be.
When hundreds of thousands of registrations are dumped on a system, it creates opportunities for failures. Let’s assume that their intentions are pure. Do they really help the voting system when the agencies on whom they knowingly dumped questionable registrations upon is swamped and cannot possibly do a good job? Is it possible then that babies could be thrown out with the bathwater?
Or maybe they plan was more underhanded. Maybe they WANT to create a controversy. Maybe they intentionally put in lots of false registrations to force the opponents to complain about their methods and accuse them of trying to cheat just so they can tar the opponents with “trying to disenfranchise voters”? After all, that is what YOU are claiming. To demand voter registration scrutiny is akin trying to cut out real voters. That is a specious argument for which YOU fail to provide proof.
I ask you, is it WRONG to demand that every registration be proper? That every voter be confirmed? Does it deny ANYONE the right to vote for the registrars to have the time and support to make sure that the voter rolls are clean and up to date? Does ACORN then subvert the very system by perpetuation, through their methods, a stress on the system that insures that voter rolls CANNOT be kept clean?
Finally, one more tin hat theory. What if ACORN wins this round and makes people believe that those evil Repugs really just want to keep the chocolate people down? Then next election, it becomes easier to submit fake registrations that they INTEND to vote with because if the Repugs try and challenge they will be automatically accused of disenfranchisement.
Anyway, it does get one wondering why ACORN has made it so that hundreds of thousands of fake registrations flood the system. Your explanation just does not hold water, so to speak.
Maybe I’m too literally-minded because I thought, “Oh, vote for the Gap by buying stuff here and vote for whatever candidate on Nov. 4.” As far as I know, John Waters isn’t an ACORN canvasser
.
On October 30th, 2008 at 5:49 am, graysonret said:
I don’t think it’s funny at all. This button is meant for those committing fraud to laugh as they do it. We must pray this election through. I pray in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for all corruption, regardless of party, to be exposed, prosecuted, convicted, and prevented.
“The valueless society we live in today” is the result of multiple generations of de-moral-ization. We have now progressed through stage two (destablization), and have been brought to stage 3 (crisis). An Obama “win” would take us to stage 4 (Communist “normalization”).
We must stop this Communist Revolution and start taking things back in the right direction the only way possible: re-moral-ization.
What a Non-response from the Gap. What makes me laugh are retailers willingness to piss off a large percentage of their clients. What school of marketing did these people go to?
Sure fire way to cut your sales figures… inject politics into your advertising. Dopes. I have to short some GAP stock now… lol
Why does hollywood keep making socially critical moves that don’t make money.
they believe their own press.
#147
The system they have in place is flawed. Absolutely. Losers who wanna get out of registering voters for 8 bucks an hour so they scribble in fake names. You can say whatever you like about the lazy poor people here, as is this site’s want, and maybe, just maybe, it sticks.
But a GIANT CONSPIRACY? A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY? hardly.
And, please tell me, how can the fake registered people vote? How? Mickey Mouse cannot vote. There would have to be an actual person to claim the existence for each one of these fake names to actually vote. And there aren’t. Don’t you see? Its just names. It actually benefits YOUR side, because at the very worst it bloats the incredible new voter numbers we have been hearing all about this election. But they won’t actually vote.
Art for art’s sake…
Please don’t feed the trolls!!!!
I may have missed a similar comment already, but… Is it just me, or does he not look like a corpse?
familyman, guy, I’m having regular political conversations all over this board. just like all of you! Dont be scared of me.
Vote twice indeed …
The gall.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Watershed,
Mickey Mouse is just the most obvious of the submissions. Sure, the voting official will be extremely skeptical of someone claiming to be Mickey Mouse showing up to vote.
However, there are likely thousands of other names fraudulently entered that would not provoke that immediate skepticism. Mix in with that the notion that most polling places not only do not require photo ID but also discourage it and you have a situation where thousands of fraudulently registered ballots are available for use.
The reality is in neither extreme, of course. I don’t believe any of us here believe that every fraudulent registrant will have a vote also registered. However, that does not preclude the potential for some of it to happen.
Take, for example, the early voting process in Ohio where you could vote right after registering.
Sure, some of the ACORN workers were grafting the system in the interest of having higher numbers and not necessarily an attempt to overwhelm the democratic system. Yes, the organization itself is poorly managed as I believe you would agree. However, it might also be disingenuous to automatically assume that all of ACORN’s leadership has the same idealism that you are attributing to them. Do you honestly believe that they are that purely altruistic and non-partisan?
There are federal investigations in, what, 11 states now? It’s much larger than just some isolated event of laziness. The size and scope of this issue is appearing much more systemic which suggests a problem at the top and not an issue with the “poor” workers.
The situation is worthy of investigation and discussion. If a close election occurs, it will be even more significant.
The fact that the most publicized name fraudulently registered is “Mickey Mouse” does not minimize the potential harm that could come of this.
Later on, when the election crews are struggling to sort out the valid votes from the invalid ones and some are purged as part of the process, I have little doubt that there will be outcries of “Republican suppression of the vote”.
…but we’ll only be throwing out Mickey Mouse’s vote, so it will be no big deal, right?
You are wasting your time. waterhead will never get it.
Good thing I don’t shop there anyway.
And THAT would be PRECISELY the message that someone like Waters would be wanting to convey.
#158
The reality is in neither extreme, of course.
I’m sorry, but John McCain said it was threatening to rip asunder the fabric of democracy. Pretty EXTREME! So you apparently are jumping off message with the Republican candidate. Just want you to parse that statement of his as honestly as you responded to mine. Don’t you see the problem with that kind of rhetoric?
My wife read on Drudge this morning that Grace Jones “can’t stand” Sarah Palin.
My response: “Who is Grace Jones?”
Hey #153, do you need a prescription for those rose-colored glasses?
I would guess that under the new Constitution that the left wants to implement, voting twice will be legal, as long as you’re a “party member”.
Acorn arguers all:
Look at it this way-
What we’re dealing with so far is minor voter registration fraud. The questionable registrations number in the double digits in most states, and most of them have been flagged and caught by either ACORN themselves or election officials. Furthermore in many places the false registrations are required by law to be submitted anyway, so that ACORN isn’t guilty of, say, tossing out the forms of Republicans they sign up. They do try to flag the fake ones as fake, but regardless, the fake ones are still being caught. Also: voter registration fraud does not coherently lead to voter fraud, because if you register one man 75 times, how will he vote 75 times, exactly?
More importantly, the election can’t be stolen if it hasn’t happened yet, and voter registration fraud does not explain in any way a double digit lead for a candidate in national tracking polls. Like, wtf, ACORN registering Mickey Mouse is why Barack Obama is up 12 in Pennsylvania?
ACORN’s voter registration drives are to conservatives what Diebold voting machines are the liberals. The possibility of abuse is present and clear, but no one’s yet convincingly proved that any abuse has occurred.
Anyone else having comment trouble?
So the joke is on The Gap…
False. (In the case of Acorn.) Pay attention.
Ah, John Waters. As the other Waters fans above noted, he seeks to offend. I mean following Divine around waiting for the dog to poop so Divine can eat it. Genius, I say. I had the pleasure to see John explain such high-mindedness at the old Biograph in DC. Smell-O-Rama and all. By those earlier standards, this pin is Citizen Kane.
“Vote Twice” must fall under the NEW Bill of Rights.
Doesn’t anyone else think “Buttongate” is a trivial matter?
C’mon, people, these are serious times, but taking everything seriously is at least as damaging as taking nothing seriously.
Going after silly “campaign” buttons, who some rock guitar player endorses and similar stuff is nothing more than shooting at the easy targets.
It’s better than snarking at McCain, I suppose….
Just read this in the American Thinker. Interesting, and hopefully, accurate article….
According to an LA Times/Bloomberg poll of those who voted early in Florida, McCain leads Obama 49-45% even though more Democrats voted than Republicans:
Democrats are beaming that their party is outperforming the Republicans in early voting, releasing numbers Wednesday that show registrants of their party ahead 54 percent to 30 percent among the 1.4 million voters who have gone to the polls early. [....]
But party breakdowns for turnout aren’t the same as final tallies, and at least one poll offered a different view for the campaign of Republican John McCain.
A Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll gave McCain a 49-45 lead over Democrat Barack Obama among Floridians who have already voted.
And Republicans continued to show a traditional strength, leading 50 percent to the Democrats’ 30 percent in the 1.2 million absentee ballots already returned.
Need I point out again that Italy has my second favorite politician?
This obviously comes from famed Chicago ward heeler Henry “Hinky Dink” Kenna, pub owner and formulator of the line “Vote early, vote often”. He meant it, the same way the Gap AND the Democrat party mean it. You can vote using the name Superman if you want, no one will check, especially if you’re in the south side of Chicago or Detroit. Or in Ohio.
I apologize for posting the entire article instead of the link only.
For some reason I couldn’t get the link to work properly.
Your comment trouble is that you’re lying like a rug. For instance:
I believe they’ve estimated around 200k invalid registrations out of around 600k total new ones in Ohio. The intent is obviously to overwhelm the system. Your claim that it is only lazy poor people(!) doing it, and so it’s therefore completely harmless implies a degree of naivete unlikely in a Democrat activist such as yourself.
I wouldn’t put a lot of faith in exit polls, if I were you. They’re the reason the Dems are still claiming Bush stole the election in 2004.
They have found 200K registrations in which there was some discrepancy whne compared with other records, i.e., missing or incorrect middle initials, typos, etc… and yes, some false ones, but everyone admits that the vast majority of those flagged registrations are valid voters.
In fact I think when they ran the test on the folks that sit on Ohio’s Board of Elections, 4 of the 6 had similar discrepancies and thus would have been flagged if they were new registrations.
Questions:
1. Based on what empircal means of measurement?
2. Show any historical examples based on FACTS where voter fraud has ever been worse on a national basis.
3. Please explain why almost all of the voter fraud reports are coming from the 12 so called battleground states and all involve ACORN.
4. Do you consider ACORN’s voter registration activity in Indianapolis, IN minor when registrations are 105% of the TOTAL ELIGIBLE voting population in that city.
5. Madison County has a registration rate of 123% of the county’s population courtesy of ACORN. Do you consider that minor?
I can site DOZENS of other examples, but I will let these suffice for now.
If you want to express platitutdes save your keystrokes. I want data, numbers, charts, etc.
Ooops Question 5 was Madison COunty Mississippi. Forgot to mention the state.
What good American would think it was MINOR to have voter fraud??
I just sent a letter to the Gap (various entities), awaiting a response:
“Acting in an ethical way is not only the right thing to do — it also unlocks new ways for us to do business better.”
Dan Henkle, SVP, Social Responsibility
The above quote is from your website.
I was disappointed to see that you could buy a election-button that says “Vote Twice”.
Maybe the marketers at Gap have forgotten what has made this country so successful – a democratic system that protects both individual rights, as well as the right of a corporation to be protected in a court of law.
Vote Twice has nothing to do with that – it completely undermines the whole notion of one man – one vote.
If you don’t get this – then you just don’t get why this is such a great country.
The employees who selected that button to sell, and their supervisors, should think about the ramifications of their sloganeering.
I am a father of a 6 person family. In the past we have considered your brand as a one of several stores for us to shop.
However, I can no longer consider supporting a company that encourages such stupid thinking, and your stores have lost our future business. Thank you,
By this you mean everyone in the Democrat Party, or just everyone in the Obama campaign?
Kind of reminds you of Washington D.C.’s former Mayor Bradley, who once said, “Other than the murder rate, Washington D.C. is a great city to live in.”
Something I consider when people suggest it’s not a big deal because the system will weed them out (not directed at you, Chap), is the amount of money and time spent on going through all of those questionable registrations.
So, we’re paying for ACORN through taxpayer funding (via pork) and then we’re paying again to correct the mess that they have made.
What is frightening to me about the fraud, even if we’re talking about registration and not voting, is the fact that this is being dismissed as “no big deal”. So some “poor” activists signed up the same person multiple times even though they already told them they were already registered. So what? At least, that’s how many of us view the coverage on this.
It’s still a felony and should be treated with the levity it requires. Treating it more like its just some faux pas oopsie will only encourage groups to push the boundaries that much further the next time.
Watershed, to your comment about McCain’s quote about the fabric of democracy, I agree that it was hyperbole. Personally, I believe it was hyperbole coming out of a frustration from what appears to be a concerted effort by the media in their coverage that suggests a “nothing to see here, folks. Move along” mentality.
If this passes without much scrutiny in 2008, what will 2012 look like?
It might be fun to show up at the polls wearing a sticker which says “I voted 38 times”.
waterhead said:”They are required by LAW to submit the fake names. And please tell me how MICKEY MOUSE or even 500 or 5000 MICKEY MOUSES are going to actually vote?”
They don’t have to. What kind of demoralizing effect would 5oo new democrat registrants have in a district with only a few thousand voters? Illegal is illegal.
On October 30th, 2008 at 10:58 am, watershed said:
I’ve seen a Vote Spongebob button.
You can legally write in spongebob. Once.
Salt,
I generally agree with all your points above. However I don’t think you meant the word “levity.” Unless you were being ironic.
Otherwise, spot on.
Ha. Oops. I meant “gravity” but the antonym came out because I was thinking that it’s become levity (ala Mickey Mouse) when it shouldn’t.
Thanks.
I went to Gap last week and both employees were wearing “Vote for Obama” shirts. I was furious and e-mailed their corporate headquarters and got a very similar e-mail response. It also said they encouraged freedom of expression in their employees. I wonder if they realize that Obama is polling at about 40% here in Ky. That leaves a lot of people with the freedom to express their $$ someplace else.
Dear Shelly:
The Gap has “launched a program that encourages people to express their opinions and ideas”?
Are you a clothing store, or a political focus group? Because I thought you were a clothing store.
Oh, I forgot, your sales and overall profitability have been on a steep decline for several years now, with no end in sight. So maybe you see the brilliant John Waters-inspired handwriting on the wall.
But keep up with the focus group stuff. There may be a future in it for you. Given the Gap’s current stock price, I suggest you jump ship soon.
Yours truly,
Someone who used to shop at the Gap, Banana Republic and Old Navy. But won’t anymore. Ever.
Watershed is one of those people who in Germany 65 years ago and looked at the smoke coming from the camp West of the town and said, “Smell, I don’t smell anything?”
Because of this disgusting button I sent The Gap an e-mail informing them that…
1) I will never shop there again and
2) I will find out there closest competitor and only shop there from now on.
We’ll see what they if the reply at all. I also told them that someone should be fired over this.
I’m sure I’m probably in the minority here when I say that I find Waters to be an absolute genius.
His books Shock Value and Crackpot are hilarious and his film Female Trouble remains one of my all time favorites.
Exactly.
He skewers both liberals and conservatives equally.
Ignore the trolls.
Calm yourselves,
Obama will soon join Kerry and Gore in oblivion.
Our true nightmare of hillary is over.
Happy Halloween.
PS. Anybody ever see those little boxes of Good n’ Fruity anymore? They have Mike n’ Ike but they’re not quite as good. Hot Tamales not bad either.