Obama’s illegal alien aunt (and campaign donor!) is a deportation fugitive; Bush administration moves to protect her
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Well now.
Turns out Aunti Zeituni Onyango, one of Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama’s many relatives made famous in his memoir, is an illegal alien. And not just a run-of-the-mill illegal alien on welfare.
She’s one of the hundreds of thousands of deportation fugitives — absconders – whom I’ve been reporting on for the past six years. After 9/11, the government vowed to crack down on absconders. They’ve failed abysmally.
Barack Obama’s aunt, a Kenyan woman who has been quietly living in public housing in Boston, is in the United States illegally after an immigration judge rejected her request for asylum four years ago, The Associated Press has learned.
Zeituni Onyango, 56, referred to as “Aunti Zeituni” in Obama’s memoir, was instructed to leave the United States by a U.S. immigration judge who denied her asylum request, a person familiar with the matter told the AP late Friday. This person spoke on condition of anonymity because no one was authorized to discuss Onyango’s case.
Information about the deportation case was disclosed and confirmed by two separate sources, one of them a federal law enforcment official. The information they made available is known to officials in the federal government, but the AP could not establish whether anyone at a political level in the Bush administration or in the McCain campaign had been involved in its release.
Just you watch: After sitting silent as Joe The Plumber’s records were rummaged by Ohio government employees, the fairweather privacy rights crowd will wake up and start making noise over this.
QUESTION: Will the Obama campaign return the many donations from this illegal alien?
ANSWER: Not bloody likely.
Federal Election Commission records show that Onyango donated at least five times to her nephew’s campaign in July and September. Three of the donations were for $5 each, and two of the donations were for $25. Records compiled by The Huffington Post show she gave a total of $260 to the campaign.
The law:
It shall be unlawful for a foreign national directly or through any other person to make any contribution of money or other thing of value, or to promise expressly or impliedly to make any such contribution, in connection with an election to any political office; or in connection with any primary election, convention, or caucus held to select candidates for any political office; or for any person to solicit, accept, or receive any such contribution from a foreign national.
2 U.S.C. § 441e.
QUESTION II, from commenter tony4951: “So let me get this straight. Millionaire Obama doesn’t use his wealth to help his poor illegal alien Aunt get out of public housing, but if I complain about Obama wanting to raise my taxes to ’spread the wealth around’ I’m the selfish one?”
Exactly.
Meanwhile, the AP tries to downplay Aunti’s deportation evasion and defiance of a judicial ruling:
Onyango’s refusal to leave the country would represent an administrative, non-criminal violation of U.S. immigration law, meaning such cases are handled outside the criminal court system.
As I’ve pointed out countless times since 9/11, systemic immigration loopholes and deportation failures that have benefited peaceful illegal aliens have also benefited illegal aliens with nefarious intent.
Reminder from 2004:
…the system for screening out the well-meaning from the menaces is completely overwhelmed. Claims of “credible fear of persecution” are almost impossible to document, but are rarely rejected. Federal homeland security officials are unable to detain asylum seekers for background checks without the civil liberties brigade screaming “racial profiling.” And there is still a woeful shortage of detention space— just 2,000 beds nationwide— to hold those with suspect claims.
As a result, thousands of refugees and asylum seekers who have made flimsy claims of persecution are let loose. As the Department of Justice’s Inspector General reported, 97 percent of all asylum-seekers from any country who were released from immigration custody were never found again and deported.
…Ramzi Yousef landed at New York City’s JFK airport from Pakistan and flashed an Iraqi passport without a visa to inspectors. He was briefly detained for illegal entry and fingerprinted, but was allowed to remain in the country after invoking the magic words “political asylum.” The then-INS released him because it didn’t have enough space in its detention facility. Yousef headed to Jersey City to plot the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer, a Palestinian bomb-builder, entered the U.S. illegally through Canada in 1996 and 1997. He claimed political asylum based on alleged persecution by Israelis, was released on a reduced $5,000 bond posted by a man who was himself an illegal alien, and then skipped his asylum hearing after calling his attorney and lying about his whereabouts. In June 1997, after his lawyer withdrew Mezer’s asylum claim, a federal immigration judge ordered Mezer to leave the country on a “voluntary departure order.” Mezer ignored the useless piece of paper. He joined a New York City bombing plot before being arrested in July 1997 after a roommate tipped off local police.
Mir Aimal Kansi, convicted in 1997 of capital murder and nine other charges stemming from his January 1993 shooting spree outside the CIA headquarters in McLean, Virginia, also exploited our insane asylum laxity. Despite his history as a known Pakistani militant who had participated in anti-American demonstrations abroad, Kansi received a business visa in 1991. After arrival, he claimed political asylum based on his ethnic minority status in Pakistan. While his asylum application was pending, he obtained a driver’s license and an AK-47, murdered two CIA agents, and wounded seven others.
And we’re still not serious about tightening up the system and enforcing the law.
Lucky for Aunti, the open-borders Bush administration has just issued a special pre-election directive to slow down any deportation efforts that might get her kicked out of the country:
Onyango’s case — coming to light just days before the presidential election — led to an unusual nationwide directive within Immigrations and Customs Enforcement requiring any deportations prior to Tuesday’s election to be approved at least at the level of ICE regional directors, the U.S. law enforcement official told the AP.
The unusual directive suggests that the Bush administration is sensitive to the political implications of Onyango’s case coming to light so close to the election.
Lucky for Aunti, both presidential candidates support shamnesty in one form or another.
Lucky for Aunti, the deportation abyss has not been repaired.
Lucky for Aunti, the congressional practice of creating “special relief” bills to help individual deportation fugitives escape punishment and get rewarded with citizenship is alive and well.
And lucky for Aunti, anyone who thinks she should face the music and get the boot is considered a “hater” and a “xenophobe” and a RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST.
Lucky for Aunti, she can always take up shelter in a sanctuary-offering, rule-of-law defying church.
And guess where a left-wing church has openly broken the law and taken in illegal aliens?
Yeah. That’s right: Chicago.
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Via cjburch, this Ace of Spades commenter sums it all up: “Obama’s aunt is here ILLEGALLY living in poverty, and is a deportation FUGITIVE. She’s collecting WELFARE and has DONATED to Obama’s campaign, ILLEGALLY! Obama. Family in poverty as he makes millions. Complete lawlessness. Giveaway your hard earned tax payer money to illegal fugitives. CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN.”
Did someone from the campaign tell her to keep quiet?
Why was BHO letting her illegally redistribute her wealth to him, when he could have been helping her by getting her an immigration lawyer? If BHO had gotten her a lawyer, could they have appealed? Why then didn’t BHO help her out? When is he going to introduce an emergency private relief bill to give her a green card?
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No self-dicipline. Weak people. Darwinism has been stalled by liberals…
Oh well… losers on welfare.
When we get too weak, something will happen to allow nature to begin to take its natural course again… it will be.. interesting.
Judabuggs – True.. another really bad choice. And a choice that should not be made at other people’s (taxpayers) expense.
I’m just so tired of people who think the world owes them something for nothing unless they are truly disabled.
If I can live on what I do, so can people who get taxpayer money. This ia a subject I’m done with.
Back to the end of the world as we know it. b. Hussein and his illegal auntie Fraudbama.
SoCal, your theory is interesting…that we are witnessing the evolution (I would probably say, “devolution”) of American society. My own view is that we are witnessing the result of decades of liberal education.
I want to design a program that will create a learning experience for young people so they will know how unique this country is and how many opportunities await them.
I am sad, and concerned, that conservatives have ceded education to the liberals. It is a sin and a shame that so many Americans are unable to decipher language and critique an argument, that many do not understand the relationship between what they eat and how they feel, that so many are in despair thinking (wrongly) that they have no choices in this great country of ours. Nothing could be further from the truth.
On November 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm, nlebou said:
Actually nlebou is correct. The cheapest food is generally the high-carb, fat, and sugar foods – primarily because these items are easier to mass-manufacture, package, and distribute than fresh vegetables & fruits, quality fresh meats, fish, etc.
That said, it is still immoral to use the government to confiscate other people’s money.
Not sure how I’d handle a family of five on $50 a week in today’s dollars. That’s rough. Pastas? Ouch.
Judabuggs, much of the decline can be traced directly to the decay of the family. When you have fewer people bothering to marry before having children, when divorce becomes the norm, etc., it hurts the children.
You don’t have the stability of the family. You don’t have parents able or willing to be involved in their children’s lives. It becomes easier for teachers to get away with brainwashing our children. People become convinced that it is all about them. They no longer sacrifice for others, it is all about me.
And now, we’re trying to drive the final stake in the American family with Same Sex Marriage (making marriage meaningless) and the end of traditional morality.
That is why I vote on social issues first and foremost. Do you want a strong economy? Do you want a strong national defense? Then you need to keep the family strong.
Exactly. And when you have 3 children crying that they are hungry I can tell you a carrot is not going to fill them up. But inexpensive high fat ground beef with mac and cheese will. I was a single mom for many years living paycheck to paycheck with no help from ANYONE including the government. I could have but I refused to accept welfare or food stamps. I was actually told that I should quit my job and do just that but I refused. I know from experience it IS expensive to eat healthy.
Exactly. When I was trying to raise my children alone it was all I could do to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table let alone keep up with everything going on at school. I was exhausted all the time. Thank God they turned out great.
I agree, Trollman, and we can trace a direct line from the rise of the welfare state to the destruction of the American family, especially in the African American community. It was lunacy for the government to say, “I’ll give you money but only if you are single and not working. Sorry, we can’t help you if you keep your family unit in place or if you simply need a little “bridge” money to get you through a rough patch.”
This, of course, was closely followed by “And we’ll be happy to educate your young ones.”
This of course, will soon be followed by BO telling us “Don’t worry, we can now take care of your youngster even before he becomes old enough for school and oh, by the way, how about we sign the young tot up for our National Security Force.”
for anyone still poking at the dead thread of the weekend dead blog space.
a must read article by Thomas Sowell in Sunday’s papers:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/11/ego_and_mouth.html
Judabuggs said:
Not gonna happen.
I fully expect McCain to win. That is why I will be watching MSNBC on election night.
So do I Trollman. I can’t wait for all the idiots on TV to be proved wrong.
They were wrong about the primaries and I am praying they are wrong now.
Trollman, I also expect a McCain Palin victory. At least I’m praying for it with the faith that it will be done.
Bansharia, Thanks for the link. That was a good read!
Seems Obama was not so happy with the media last night. Can’t say that I feel sorry for him but I do feel for his daughter.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D945ORIO1&show_article=1
Just got this in an email… very interesting read. Long, but hey, the thread is almost dead, so here it is…
Maybe if they got off that fat butt and did something they might not be so fat and need welfare. As kids we had beans, rice and tortillas every meal-no guacamole or sour cream. No fat people in my family–but we did things–such as WORK. Helps keep you from staying poor. What a concept.
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That Every Man Be Armed–You Too ladies
I got the same email. I forwarded it to a friend in FL who told me that her priest had told her pretty much the same thing. I personally don’t understand how any Christian can vote for Obama.
Totally agree Arizona.
When I was a kid we had a garden, raised chickens, cows and pigs. We worked all the time, when we were not working we were OUTSIDE playing. None of my 5 sibling have ever had a weight problem.
It’s been pretty boring here the last couple of days. Why don’t we try to come up with something interesting in the last couple of days before the election.
On November 1st, 2008 at 7:19 pm, Joy said:
That is an outright lie. Find that thread. Liar.
So you are going to teach us a lesson effectively supporting Obama…
You are hearing things that you want to hear. Show me where I posted that “Stevens should stay in the race even after being found guilty on 7 counts”. Find where I posted anything here in support of Stevens.
Joy; What I wrote was:
Which is the fact. Not an endorsement of Ted Stevens. The message you should have taken away is that is more essential then ever to not elect Obama because there will be no checks or balances to prevent him, Reid and Pelosi from doing whatever they want. (Including signing internationalist treaties that will have the full effect of American law. They will have a 2/3rds majority, enough to ratify Kyoto or whatever else comes down the pike.) People who think that “purifying” the party by rejecting McCain as president are going to effectively make the party null and void and in this case enable the democrats to impose their agenda faster then previously imagined.
How could anyone on earth be such a ninny?
Joy, that was a long read but very well worth the time. I copied and pasted it into an e-mail for someone else. Thanks!
I’m sorry but we are lost for the next 4 years. McCain asked his supporters to “fight” for him but he didn’t “fight” for us in this election. I’m a depressed member of the GOP this weekend if THIS is the big news for the next couple days.
I can only hope that a lot of people, face-to-face with a pollster, or on the phone, announced that they were Obama supporters, simply to be left alone and not considered bias or racist. Once, in the privacy of the voting booth, they change to their real opinion. Of course, if McCain does win, I expect to see a lot of angry people across the U.S., encouraged by the MSM; a lot of lawsuits and recounts. Either way, November 5th will be one mess of a day – a good day to take a nice cruise to the Caribbean to mourn the demise of the U.S. Constitution.
OT: MAJOR NEWS!
YouTube – SHOCK Audio Unearthed OBAMA TELLS SAN FRANCISCO HE WILL BANKRUPT THE COAL INDUSTRY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ
You think Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Ohio for starters might be interested to know what Zero’s planning?
I think they might.
So SPREAD THIS AROUND!
And DIGG IT: http://digg.com/business_finance/OBAMA_TELLS_S_F_HE_IS_WILLING_TO_BANKRUPT_COAL_INDUSTRY
I’m beginning to smell this story as a BHO diversion away from the revelation last week that Bill Ayers dedicated his book “Prairie Fire” to Sirhan Sirhan.
This aunt story is dominating the news cycle while the dedication of a book to the murderer of Bobby Kennedy by one of Obama’s ‘friends’ goes on without hardly any mention at all. (Who mentioned it in MSM besides Hannity?)
I contend that BHO always knew his aunt was here illegally and just hoped nobody would find out. But when the story hit, rather than tell his campaign affiliates NBC, PMSNBC, CBS, ABC, NYT, LAT, etc. – to quash it, he told them to RUN WITH IT! It’s a lot easier to deal with than the Sirhan Sirhan story.
This Sirhan Sirhan connection obliterates the idea that Ayers was just some wild ‘boy’ back in the 60′s who went ‘astray’ and did a few ‘bad’ things that he is just too proud to admit today as ‘wrong’ blah blah blah.
No, it is proof positive that Ayers deserves NONE of those kinds of squishy excuses and he really DOES deserve to be squarely in our cross hairs as AN ENEMY OF THE USA!
The range of parallels just expanded enormously with this Ayers revelation. Instead of us only questioning whether BHO would have sat on the same board as Tim McVeigh or endorsed a book by Tim McVeigh, (hey, he’s just a neighbor down the block; I just thought he was a farmer who got a good deal on EBay for ammonium nitrate..) – we can ask if BHO should get a pass for entering the house of someone who was pen pals with Lee Harvey Oswald or for sitting on the board of someone who chummed around with with Squeaky Fromme or how about just having ‘lunch’, just ONCE, with the brother of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi?
I want to know – HOW WELL DID BILL AYERS REALLY KNOW SIRHAN SIRHAN? Did Ayers HELP or ENCOURAGE Sirhan Sirhan in ANY way at all?
Hello GOPTRUST.COM ??
NOTE TO MICHELLE AND THE WEBMASTER GUYS:
ya need to change your clock back an hour
Here’s the transcript per Madam Dufarge on Free Republic:
“Let me sort of describe my overall policy.
What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.
I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.
That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.
The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.
So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.
It’s just that it will bankrupt them.”
wonder how that works or in this case doesn’t lolo. perhaps someone will stumble into the dead blog dead thread and enlighten, woulda thought a simple thing like time would be autofunction for a blog… live and learn
Power,
they fight oil, nuke, coal, hydro and even wind hm and even good ole wood.
its a very odd game. thanks for transcript
And the United Coal Workers endorse Obama? – WHAT KIND OF IDIOTS ARE THESE PEOPLE???
Amen.
Take out the foundation of the Family and you have nothing to build upon.
Look at western Europe, where traditional family was taken out a long time ago, and now there is very little resemblance of a healthy society.
There is NOTHING new under the sun…just more of it.
Idiots that put wallet before country.
Where and the HEdouble hockey sticks has this coal tape been????!!!
On November 2nd, 2008 at 6:39 am, graysonret said:
And lots of bricks thrown through windshields, burned buildings, and big flat panel tv’s being carried over shoulders…
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On November 2nd, 2008 at 9:47 am, mytake said:
I’m done! I can’t take anymore. How outraged can a person be, before they just go nuts. This has to end. Too much. How can I be so out of the mainstream thought processes? Then I see Palin and McCain on SNL cavorting with what I would consider the enemy. Why am I in such a state if they can handle it just fine, win or lose? And I’m not the only one. There are millions of us. There is no relief in site. I will vote for McCain and then go on with my life. Iraq will deteriorate into civil war. North Korea will rear it’s ugly side again. Israel will be forced to take action against Iran. And we will be here with our heads up our proverbial @$$e$ as we discuss reparations. Fillibuster? Maybe not. Ruth Bader-G. will wake up to retire. I’m just voting for McCain and then going on with my daily routine and wait for the end.
A night in da ‘hood? His Obamaship is on TV claiming “We have a righteous wind at our back” and he wants to Heal Our Wounds, bring us together!–in the gulags?
Gallup Daily:“” Obama 52%, McCain 42% Among Likely Voters-HISTORIC BLOWOUT FOR OBAMA…“”
Hallelujah Bro n Hos, Hallelujah the One done come.
We shall see. Vote, pray and wait for the Knock on the Door comrade. I for one will pick up some more canned food and water after Church and one more brick of .223 ammo tomorrow. Pray for Peace and aim for center mass and protect that big flat panel tv.
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That Every Man Be Armed–You Too ladies
Patrick Henry quote – The great object is, that every man be armed. Every one who is able may have a gun.
Not only to avoid the appearance of being biased or racist, it could very much also include avoiding “getting harrassed by democrat thugs the way they did it to ‘Joe the Plumber’.
McCain had started to climb around 10/27 but then stopped right around the time the news that Joe the Plumber’s privacy had been invaded. Who wants to risk THAT happening to them when a pollster calls?
Having scanned many sites this year I often see opinions that America is in a state of Decline.
I disagree.
I submit it is more of a state of Recline.
Many are self-absorbed or turned off by the state of the information delivery systems previously available.
The internet and sites such as this can and have begun to change that.
The state we find ourselves in today took the left decades to create. Through an education system and hierachy which actively sought the removal of words such as freedom and liberty and inserted words such as fairness and equality.
As a French write recently said “you cannot have freedom and equality”. You must choose one or the other.
The left has chosen, but the rest of us have yet to make that decision as a group.
Individually we here have chosen, but those citizens who have yet to choose must be given the information with which to make an informed decision.
The left is going to continue denying that information to these people. They have given all the talking points they plan on giving.
It is now up to us.
I choose freedom and liberty. Equality is only shared misery.
I await everyone elses answer Tuesday night.
And from some good person in Pittsburgh
Must those Bitter God and Gun Clingers. Notice “more women buying guns”? Your husband/father/son might not be home (snort).
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God Bless America except for the blue states.
Equality is refering to skin color, but the left (and certain black politicians) have managed to make it into a socio-economical issue.
Redefining the meaning of words has become real handy for these leftists to rob simple minds of reality.
How can you “leak” that someone is an illegal alien and a fugitive?
They are still fuming over the Willie Horton furlough ads of 1988, the twits.
That Dukakis let the man do murder was not the point–Horton was black and was not to be cast as a murderer and rapist even if he was a murderer and rapist.
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Alexander the Great to Henry the VIII to Stain to Castro the pattern is clear- Tis a ravenous beast these fools ride.
Oh Bill, stop! People are going to think you’re flirting with me.
Your error is in thinking that those of us who aren’t or may not vote for McCain are willing to allow b. Hussein to institute his RAAAAACIST, Marxist ideas on society for 4 years and institute his National Defense comprised of his Black Liberation followers and Nation of Islam. You are very mistaken.
Most I know who are conservatives but no longer GOP are simply seeing the impending civil war. If b. Hussein wins, conservatives will not take his Marxism lying down.
Some say we’ll take McCain and fix it later… oh yeah, how? Congress has the lowest approval ratings ever, and what is happening? What appears to be a filibuster proof majority for Dems!
If McCain wins, there will be rioting, looting, and war raging around the country. White people, are going to fight back. b. Hussein has set back race relations a zillion years. Even if rioting is quelled, the simmering pot won’t be kept from boiling over. He and his followers have pushed it too far.
It’s astonishing to me that you can’t see this.
I’m with Arizona Neanderthal about praying for peace, but being ready for war.
And one last point to your pointy head, YOU and your ILK use the same tactics b. Hussein’s ILK uses, intimidation, namecalling, strawmen, bullying, tunnel vision, and the desire to shut up any and all opposing viewpoints so get this straight: I am not going to let the Brown Shirts on the LEFT tell me how to think, and I’m also not going to allow the Brown Shirts on the RIGHT to tell me how to think. Me and my ILK are willing to fight for Freedom.
Have a glorious day… lol
How is it that a Harvard lawyer and US Senator can’t help his aunt become a legal citizen? It would probably just take a well placed word or two and a stroke of a pen.
So how come he can’t be bothered?
Hmmmm?
lgm? Watershed?
is this how he’s going to treat his subjets?
Hmmmm?
{crickets chirping}
That’s what I thought.
All these people that can’t afford health care can keep giving money to Obama.
On November 2nd, 2008 at 2:06 pm, Joy said:
I had just posted something about volunteering, not that you would when you announced that your vote was contingent on a statement that I didn’t make. My “crap” as you put it. I can assure you I am not waiting to see what Joy does to make my decision. How anyone on earth could still be vacillating at this point is incredible.
Your error is thinking that you are even going to be a speed bump. You really are divorced from reality. They will have been elected. That is democracy. They won, I lost and you effectively helped them. We are facing a rout and you are still at it.
What do you think you are you going to do Joy? Move to the mountains and ambush troop convoys for your provisions? Not much of a plan B. Knowing you, your allies would be the first to get it in the back.
Here’s what’s going to happen and they know it: If Obama wins you will do nothing but complain on the internet. They are going to do whatever the hell they want to and you are not going to do squat. Your time for “doing” was during the primaries but you sat around and told everyone how holy you are and how anyone who votes for someone that you don’t like is “evil” or a “baby killer”, etc… You didn’t “do” a damn thing except repeat that you just wanted what you wanted and whined when you didn’t get it. The punch line? You are not going to learn a damn thing from this and next time around you are going to be there with your craziness and your stupidity whining that everything isn’t perfect and that someone else needs to make it so in order for you not to shoot yourself in the foot.
So no, there will be no middle aged “conservatives” (in quotes because you are not) humping around the mountains shouting “wolverines”.. There will just be people taxed out of their houses, raided retirement plans, inheritance taxes that are theft, inflation, loss of freedoms, bankruptcy and subsidizing everything that you are supposedly against. Suck it up and know it was preventable.
Over and over I have posted various ways that McCain could be held accountable. I am sick of it because you only see what you want to see. Bottom line is that there will be little to stop them without him. Genuine conservatives are going to have to fight every step of the way… and will probably lose every step of the way.
Once again, I had just posted something on volunteering to help get the vote out when you lied. You take little passive aggressive swipes and then run away, burying your head in the sand, never bothering to effectively defend your “opposing viewpoints”. Your “opposing viewpoints” are downright infantile. You want everything that you want or you are going to take your bat and your ball and go home. Well congratulations, you are not going to compromise and you are going to get everything you don’t want, Stupid.
You don’t think at all.
You and your ILK will be sitting in your rec-room telling everyone else that you are soooo righteous, that you have the “moral high ground”… and complaining about the mess that YOU helped to create.
We should give Obama credit for taking public financing, nevermind if it was money that came through welfare and then got passed on to the Obama campaign.
Hmmmm, what are you planning?
On November 2nd, 2008 at 5:24 pm, Speakup said:
I have done pretty much all I can do up to this point. I already voted and will be renting a van to take voters who can’t drive in to vote. Here, you can do something as well.
And people wonder why I wrote in Alan Keyes on my absentee ballot? People wonder why I’m not supporting another “lesser of two evils” presidential candidate? “Conservatives” seem to have forgotten that the Republican party was once a third party. We deserve what we get. Maybe it’s time for people to experience a little pain before they, realize that: (A) voting for the “lesser of two evils” only gives you “evil”, and (B) socialism has never worked, still doesn’t work, and will never work on this Earth. “Conservatives” need to learn the first lesson, whereas high school seniors, college kids, the 98% of blacks voting for Obama, and those truly pitiful souls searching for hope in a man (an incredibly fallible man at that) need to learn the latter.
You ate lead paint chips as a child? You are a masochist? You wanted to flush your vote away on someone who stands NO chance of winning?
You voted for Obama. Alan Keys can not, should not, will not become president. The choices of viable candidates were John McCain or Barack Obama with McCain behind so please, spare us the lectures about voting for the lesser of 2 evils because YOU voted for the GREATER of 2 evils. You are feee to experience all the “pain” you want.. Thanks for helping to inflict it on the rest of us as well.
Good thing you supported Obama..
By the time Obama is finished idiots like you will be willing to walk on their eyeballs to the polling station to pull the lever for someone like McCain. You think you are in a position to be teaching the rest of the world a lesson? You are the one who was stupid enough to vote for Alan Keyes. Your perfect candidate who is not “evil” got about 3 votes. I honestly loathe people like you. The obamatards think everything is going to be just dandy in the new utopia he will create. You know he will do great harm to the USA but you would rather see that to teach the country a “lesson”. People who want to do as much harm to the country as possible are traitors. You just have a lame rationalization for it.
Answer the question.
What are you planning?
I see you feel passionately about this, and i agree with most of what you said.
you wont like this, but…the whole “holier than thou” speech is going 2 ways here. you’re firing back exactly what you’re getting, which is fair.
I dont think any vote, regardless of who it goes to is wasted. The only wasted vote is the one never cast. Its my 2 cents, and thats about it.
I do applaud the fact you’re getting out and doing something directly and positively. But to some degree, save your venom and ammunition for those it REALLY should be levied against…those who are really our adversaries. I think Joy means well…perhaps a bit off center more than i’d agree with 100% of the time, but…i’ll give her discussion a little merit, if she has the same passion about it as you do for wwhat you’re saying.
Not being critical, just being an observer.
For starters, McCain, Biden and Obama share the following views: McCain-Feingold and McCain-Kennedy; “Living Constitution” judges (McCain voted to confirm Breyer and Ginsburg and praised O’Connor); they all support embryonic stem cell research (how McCain can do that and be pro-life is beyond me); they are global warming apologists; they don’t care for gun rights (McCain receives an F- from the Gun Owners of America for 2nd Amendment issues for many reasons); each have very well-known populist views of economics (like McCain’s ideas of giving industry workers government compensation while they get a lesser paying job until another better paying job comes along); they don’t care for originalist judges (McCain was a member of the “Gang of 14″); each voted for the $700+ billion pork chop, which was unconstitutional, unwise, and unjust in so many ways; and I’m not entirely sure if they all agree or not on the Clean [non-]Energy Act of 2007, since McCain didn’t vote on the issue.
National security: Obama is woefully unprepared and dangerous. McCain fails to understand the threat and how to defeat it, as GEN Abizaid tried to explain to him in 2006.
In other words: all of these guys are losers.
And people wonder how we got to this point, a choice between Obama or McCain, a socialist or a moderate socialist? Ever since Reagan, and before him with Nixon and Ford, the Republicans, specifically the “conservative” branch of the party, has sold its soul in order to save what little they have left in terms of representation by the Republican candidates. “Conservatives” have been weak-minded, short-sighted, and, frankly, cowardly in regards to standing up for their beliefs. “Conservatives” (I have a hard time finding the meaning of the term anymore- even McCain claims to be one) have done themselves no favors by consistently voting for the “lesser of two evils” in the past 5 elections. We wonder why McCain won’t listen to the “base”? Have you ever thought that he realizes, with good reason, that he doesn’t have to do so? Why should he? He already has your vote. What else does he need from you? So what, you’re pissed off? Why should he care if you’re pissed off if he still gets your vote? “Conservatives” have been weak in not demanding that Republican candidates stand for their principles or else. “Conservatives” have lacked vision by thinking that things would somehow get better by continually giving their blind support to those who don’t support their ideals. “Conservatives” have been cowardly by fearing the loss of what little they have in terms of political representation have rather than trying to win.
So this election day, whether anyone else stands with me or not, I’m doing my part to say “That is the last straw” to the Republican party by voting for a third party candidate. Some may say, “oh, well you’re giving your vote to Obama.” No, my vote is going to someone who shares my ideals, something of which neither Obama nor McCain have any apparent understanding.
On November 3rd, 2008 at 8:00 am, abstractmind said:
It was honestly not my intention to come across as such. I just can’t believe people still can not see what we are up against. I REALLY can’t believe that there are people who are actively ROOTING for this country to be dragged down so that they can have the sanctimonious satisfaction of saying “I told you so”.
Abstractmind, I am very frustrated because OUR side was supposed to be the rational one.
I don’t. I believe she is doing this to demonstrate her moral superiority. That is all that she has been interested in discussing: Who is “evil” and who isn’t. As if she were the arbiter. The idiot has called supporters of McCain baby killers, etc.
Never mind that the end result of her “ideas” will be empowering those people who are diametrically opposed to what she supposedly stands for… The important thing to her is to demonstrate her moral superiority to her online peer group.
She isn’t shooting herself in the foot out of a sense of right and wrong or patriotism or morality, it is out of insecurity and self-aggrandizement.
For starters, it is McCain versus Obama. For finishers it is McCain versus Obama. We had primaries and Alan Keyes was looked at, rightfully as a idiotic blow hard who couldn’t/shouldn’t be elected dog-catcher. He has ALREADY lost to Obama. Obama is ahead in the polls and will probably win because so called conservatives couldn’t see the importance of keeping him out. Or worse, wanted him in to teach the country a lesson. (Have you ever wondered what might happen if he DOESN’T make a mess?) For finishers, you voted for Obama.
For Starters you are only seeing what you want to see. McCain Does not support the “living constitution” BS. His opponent does and sees judicial appointments as a way to redistribute money by virtue of race. On and on and on.. Your straw men have been proven to be wrong yet you still cling to them because you will only allow yourself to see what you want to see. What difference is there between you and a a leftist? Neither can be persuaded with reality.
McCain was RIGHT about the surge and Abizaid was wrong. We needed a counterinsurgency doctrine and a general that knew how to peruse it. Had we kept Abizaid we would have lost Iraq.
IDIOT, you voted for Alan Keyes! If that is your idea of winner you are not in a position to judge.
Not at all. You are a missfit, looking to latch on to the latest Ron Paul.
He chose his running mate to appease the base. Do you think he would have had to worry about Pennsylvania had he chosen Tom Ridge? He would have won the election.
YOU HAVE TO WIN ELECTIONS TO HAVE REPRESENTATION, FOOL. Well done, you helped insure that conservatives have no say. You voted for everything you are supposedly against. Go pat yourself on the back for being so pure as you watch the dismantling of the very foundations of individualism and freedoms in this country. You wouldn’t “settle” for the lesser of 2 evils (and the work that comes with putting it right) so you are going to get the greater of them. Fool.
The counterinsurgency doctrine has always been there. Your lack of knowledge of GEN Abizaid and his strategy prove to me that you did not read my comments from Hotair concerning this matter. The “surge” was not the winning element, but rather our working by, with, and through Iraqi units. Just posting additional Soldiers in the middle of an insurgency does not accomplish anything. GEN Abizaid had been calling for and was implementing that strategy while Petraeus was stateside at Ft. Leavenworth.
Ad hominems do not forward the discussion. Please refrain from using them. Alan Keyes, a third-party candidate, was more in line with the ideals of this independent voter. He won the battle of ideas, regardless of whether you think he has a chance or not. It is precisely that line of thinking that keeps a “conservative” out of office, the thinking that he has no chance because NBC and CNN say so.
Nope, I’m just a guy voting on principle. “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” ~John Quincy Adams
Tom Ridge? So, I see that the only principle about which you care is to get a Republican elected.
1. “Ensure” not “insure”.
2. I have very few representatives in government right now: Ted Poe, Mike Pence, Jim DeMint, to name a few. McCain does not represent my issues, ergo he does not represent me. Neither does Obama. Alan Keyes does, so I voted for him. It’s that simple.
3. I’m not playing the game of evils. I’m doing my part to force Republicans, Democrats, Constitutionalists, etc. to acknowledge the fact that if they want my vote, then they have to represent my ideals, ideals grounded on the ideas of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bible. If they do not represent my ideals, then they can pound sand. Call it what you will.
So how is Keyes “idiotic”? Here are his credentials and views. Perhaps you should read a little history concerning the how’s/why’s that Keyes lost. Considering that he was asked 86 days out from the election by the Illinois Republicans to run after Jack Ryan withdrew due to a sex scandal.
So what would you call Ginsburg and Breyer, two judges whom he voted to confirm. You should also read his praises for O’Connor at her retirement. I don’t care what he says in campaign commercials. I care more about his words and deeds as a Senator.
“Straw men”? McCain-Feingold was a straw man? McCain-Kennedy was a straw man? Is quoting this socialistic statement from McCain’s RNC speech a straw man: “For workers in industries that have been hard hit, we’ll help make up part of the difference in wages between their old job and a temporary, lower paid one while they receive retraining that will help them find secure new employment at a decent wage.”? His Global Warming rhetoric is a straw man?