Obama’s illegal alien aunt (and campaign donor!) is a deportation fugitive; Bush administration moves to protect her

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 1, 2008 01:13 AM

Scroll for updates…Obama to return donations…for once

Well now.

Turns out Aunti Zeituni Onyango, one of Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama’s many relatives made famous in his memoir, is an illegal alien. And not just a run-of-the-mill illegal alien on welfare.

She’s one of the hundreds of thousands of deportation fugitives — absconders – whom I’ve been reporting on for the past six years. After 9/11, the government vowed to crack down on absconders. They’ve failed abysmally.

Aunti’s story:

Barack Obama’s aunt, a Kenyan woman who has been quietly living in public housing in Boston, is in the United States illegally after an immigration judge rejected her request for asylum four years ago, The Associated Press has learned.

Zeituni Onyango, 56, referred to as “Aunti Zeituni” in Obama’s memoir, was instructed to leave the United States by a U.S. immigration judge who denied her asylum request, a person familiar with the matter told the AP late Friday. This person spoke on condition of anonymity because no one was authorized to discuss Onyango’s case.

Information about the deportation case was disclosed and confirmed by two separate sources, one of them a federal law enforcment official. The information they made available is known to officials in the federal government, but the AP could not establish whether anyone at a political level in the Bush administration or in the McCain campaign had been involved in its release.

Just you watch: After sitting silent as Joe The Plumber’s records were rummaged by Ohio government employees, the fairweather privacy rights crowd will wake up and start making noise over this.

QUESTION: Will the Obama campaign return the many donations from this illegal alien?

ANSWER: Not bloody likely.

Federal Election Commission records show that Onyango donated at least five times to her nephew’s campaign in July and September. Three of the donations were for $5 each, and two of the donations were for $25. Records compiled by The Huffington Post show she gave a total of $260 to the campaign.

The law:

It shall be unlawful for a foreign national directly or through any other person to make any contribution of money or other thing of value, or to promise expressly or impliedly to make any such contribution, in connection with an election to any political office; or in connection with any primary election, convention, or caucus held to select candidates for any political office; or for any person to solicit, accept, or receive any such contribution from a foreign national.

2 U.S.C. § 441e.

QUESTION II, from commenter tony4951: “So let me get this straight. Millionaire Obama doesn’t use his wealth to help his poor illegal alien Aunt get out of public housing, but if I complain about Obama wanting to raise my taxes to ’spread the wealth around’ I’m the selfish one?”

Exactly.

Meanwhile, the AP tries to downplay Aunti’s deportation evasion and defiance of a judicial ruling:

Onyango’s refusal to leave the country would represent an administrative, non-criminal violation of U.S. immigration law, meaning such cases are handled outside the criminal court system.

As I’ve pointed out countless times since 9/11, systemic immigration loopholes and deportation failures that have benefited peaceful illegal aliens have also benefited illegal aliens with nefarious intent.

Reminder from 2004:

…the system for screening out the well-meaning from the menaces is completely overwhelmed. Claims of “credible fear of persecution” are almost impossible to document, but are rarely rejected. Federal homeland security officials are unable to detain asylum seekers for background checks without the civil liberties brigade screaming “racial profiling.” And there is still a woeful shortage of detention space— just 2,000 beds nationwide— to hold those with suspect claims.

As a result, thousands of refugees and asylum seekers who have made flimsy claims of persecution are let loose. As the Department of Justice’s Inspector General reported, 97 percent of all asylum-seekers from any country who were released from immigration custody were never found again and deported.

…Ramzi Yousef landed at New York City’s JFK airport from Pakistan and flashed an Iraqi passport without a visa to inspectors. He was briefly detained for illegal entry and fingerprinted, but was allowed to remain in the country after invoking the magic words “political asylum.” The then-INS released him because it didn’t have enough space in its detention facility. Yousef headed to Jersey City to plot the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer, a Palestinian bomb-builder, entered the U.S. illegally through Canada in 1996 and 1997. He claimed political asylum based on alleged persecution by Israelis, was released on a reduced $5,000 bond posted by a man who was himself an illegal alien, and then skipped his asylum hearing after calling his attorney and lying about his whereabouts. In June 1997, after his lawyer withdrew Mezer’s asylum claim, a federal immigration judge ordered Mezer to leave the country on a “voluntary departure order.” Mezer ignored the useless piece of paper. He joined a New York City bombing plot before being arrested in July 1997 after a roommate tipped off local police.

Mir Aimal Kansi, convicted in 1997 of capital murder and nine other charges stemming from his January 1993 shooting spree outside the CIA headquarters in McLean, Virginia, also exploited our insane asylum laxity. Despite his history as a known Pakistani militant who had participated in anti-American demonstrations abroad, Kansi received a business visa in 1991. After arrival, he claimed political asylum based on his ethnic minority status in Pakistan. While his asylum application was pending, he obtained a driver’s license and an AK-47, murdered two CIA agents, and wounded seven others.

And we’re still not serious about tightening up the system and enforcing the law.

Lucky for Aunti, the open-borders Bush administration has just issued a special pre-election directive to slow down any deportation efforts that might get her kicked out of the country:

Onyango’s case — coming to light just days before the presidential election — led to an unusual nationwide directive within Immigrations and Customs Enforcement requiring any deportations prior to Tuesday’s election to be approved at least at the level of ICE regional directors, the U.S. law enforcement official told the AP.

The unusual directive suggests that the Bush administration is sensitive to the political implications of Onyango’s case coming to light so close to the election.

Lucky for Aunti, both presidential candidates support shamnesty in one form or another.

Lucky for Aunti, the deportation abyss has not been repaired.

Lucky for Aunti, the congressional practice of creating “special relief” bills to help individual deportation fugitives escape punishment and get rewarded with citizenship is alive and well.

And lucky for Aunti, anyone who thinks she should face the music and get the boot is considered a “hater” and a “xenophobe” and a RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST.

Lucky for Aunti, she can always take up shelter in a sanctuary-offering, rule-of-law defying church.

And guess where a left-wing church has openly broken the law and taken in illegal aliens?

Yeah. That’s right: Chicago.

***

Via cjburch, this Ace of Spades commenter sums it all up: “Obama’s aunt is here ILLEGALLY living in poverty, and is a deportation FUGITIVE. She’s collecting WELFARE and has DONATED to Obama’s campaign, ILLEGALLY! Obama. Family in poverty as he makes millions. Complete lawlessness. Giveaway your hard earned tax payer money to illegal fugitives. CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN.”

Good questions:

Did someone from the campaign tell her to keep quiet?

Why was BHO letting her illegally redistribute her wealth to him, when he could have been helping her by getting her an immigration lawyer? If BHO had gotten her a lawyer, could they have appealed? Why then didn’t BHO help her out? When is he going to introduce an emergency private relief bill to give her a green card?

***

Update: See, I told you so.

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  1. #201
    On November 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pm, thejim said:

    “This ain’t the Aunt that I knew”.

  2. #202
    On November 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm, torabora said:

    4 years ago Aunti skips on the deportatation order….today Axelrod stumbles on the dirty trick!

    Karl Rove You Magnificent Bastard!

    I bet the Republicans hooked her up with welfare, a bus pass, food stamps, and a free apartment too! Damn they are a diabolical bunch. I’ve been thinking Bushco were just a bunch of bumbling fools.

    Aunti can’t talk about it until AFTER the election either! Coincidence? I think not.

  3. #203
    On November 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm, ajmontana said:

    “Dirty Trick”???
    Yes it is, by her. taking my tax dollars is a dirty trick indeed.

    Dirty Trick, ahahahahahhahahaaha good one Odopey.

  4. #204
    On November 1st, 2008 at 4:44 pm, brooklyn red said:

    first time for everything… Oh lgm! as the reconized voice of Boston, duty calls! Arise & speak to this!

  5. #205
    On November 1st, 2008 at 4:45 pm, SoCal said:

    Obama is just going to let all the Musilms into the country because there needs to be a balance between white and black.

  6. #206
    On November 1st, 2008 at 4:46 pm, ajmontana said:

    Obama is a born LIAR.

  7. #207
    On November 1st, 2008 at 4:54 pm, Joy said:

    They’re just angry because they couldn’t find anything worthwhile on Joe the Plumber. A man who asked a simple question.

    But then there’s Auntie Fraudbama and it’s all just the VRWC at work. And now they’ll try to make a moral equivilence between a woman being here illegally and an honest citizen who asks a simple question.

    Is there any proof she voted early? Or is registered to vote? If they find she’s registered… then we need to file lawsuits galore to make sure every single ballot cast and registered voter is checked and cross-checked across state lines even.

    Once the criminal, illegals and dead are removed from the rolls, then count the votes.

  8. #208
    On November 1st, 2008 at 4:55 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Oh, poor Auntie O! Sucking all of those hard earned tax dollars from American workers… if only she could hear the words of the Reverend Wright for herself! She too could be saved! What was that again, thou shalt not steal, yes I think that was it…

    Pray for Auntie O. she know not what she does!

  9. #209
    On November 1st, 2008 at 4:59 pm, Joy said:

    Yeah, and funnelling taxpayer dollars to b. Hussein’s campaign…

  10. #210
    On November 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm, ajmontana said:

    A suicide jumper left a note for Odopey…. “Obama please take care of my family” :shock:

    what the heck was he smokin?
    His Royal Dopeyness doesn’t even take care of his own. :roll:

  11. #211
    On November 1st, 2008 at 5:28 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Well, if the Obama campaign wasn’t so hard at work hiding just about everything about “the One” from the public, maybe they would’ve caught this earlier and diffused it.

    Jees. And now they call it a dirty trick “October Surprise”.

    This is why it’s best to be open and honest from the start. One thing “the One” hasn’t been all along.

    For once, this year, I am actually proud of the AP having the guts to report this. Otherwise, it would’ve been thrown under the bus along with the rest of the covered up stories.

  12. #212
    On November 1st, 2008 at 5:43 pm, brooklyn red said:

    ajmontana said:
    A suicide jumper left a note for Odopey….

    Suicide is the highest calling for a liberal, between the self loathing & the guilt for not having been aborted, it was an honorable deed. I can only express my sincerest admiration for this individual & hope his actions act as in inspiration to others.

  13. #213
    On November 1st, 2008 at 5:43 pm, stayathomemom said:

    I agree with “oldcollegeguy1980″ in regards to the interesting family and friends poll that he conducted.

    In my family my grandparents and my inlaws are hard-core Democrats. Their the old dems that can’t seem to admit or face the music of what the party has turned into currently. They have never voted for a Republican in their lives.

    *Grandpa is voting for McCain.
    *Grandma will not vote for Obama but refuses to admit that she’ll vote for McCain.
    *Inlaws- neither one is voting for Obama.

    I think they will all vote for McCain secretly, but 3 out of 4 won’t publically come out and admit it. I think they are a few of many millions who will be voting this way.

    Tuesday is going to be VERY interesting. I think the media is going to be shocked. They have tried to determine the election and they are in for a rude awakening I predict.

  14. #214
    On November 1st, 2008 at 5:47 pm, mdt said:

    With a local flavor here-

    http://michaelgraham.com/

  15. #215
    On November 1st, 2008 at 5:51 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Now I want a gun – how come they’re all $1000+?

    Pistol?
    Ruger P series .40 cal < $500. new
    Spingfield XD .40 cal < $700 new
    Revolver?
    Ruger SP101 .357 < $600 new
    Smith & Wesson .357 < $800 new
    Good defense rifle
    Ruger Mini-14 .223 < $800 new
    SKS in 7.62 Russian < $300 used

    All these can be found used and in good condition everywhere. Hurry

    J&G Sales-Arizona
    There will be others near you.

  16. #216
    On November 1st, 2008 at 5:51 pm, JamieD said:

    stayathomemom:
    __ I Agree, 100% :) .

    McCain/Palin ’08

  17. #217
    On November 1st, 2008 at 5:58 pm, Leatherneck said:

    Another illegal alien on the sugar tit.

  18. #218
    On November 1st, 2008 at 6:02 pm, right_on said:

    On the fox news website it says Obama denies knowing anything about where the aunt was living or her illegal status

    …But apparently his campaign did. Who told dear Auntie not to talk to anybody until after the election was over? Likewise, I read that his Kenyan family was also told to stop talking to people to avoid “derailing” his candidacy.

    Either he really doesn’t care about his Kenyan kin, or he is practicing plausible deniability, as advised by Burton or Axelrod. He does, as reported previously, have a habit of using liason’s to keep in touch with his un-savory relationships. Regardless, this shows the man’s character in spades (not racially speaking folks!)

  19. #219
    On November 1st, 2008 at 6:15 pm, jeanie said:

    Everything, everything surrounding the Obama campaign smacks of illegality, corrupt practice and out and out criminality.Why then can’t/won’t the Obamaphiles see this or if they do see it, not react with common sense and oust the man. HIs denials grow more feeble and less penitent by the hour. He is a sad day for this country.

  20. #220
    On November 1st, 2008 at 6:19 pm, love2rumba said:

    BillGrant said;

    To those of you who are still hell bent on writing in someone who isn’t running or voting for someone who won’t be elected I respectfully ask you to reconsider. The Republican Party has screwed up, big time. But too much is at stake to allow Obama, Reid and Pelosi free, unchecked reign over the USA. Please put the good of the country ahead of your justifiable anger.

    Well said BillGrant. There will be many things that will have to be vetted and fought for after the election, but now is the time to block what I perceive as a outright checkmate of conservatism if Obama slipped in.

  21. #221
    On November 1st, 2008 at 6:28 pm, CO2 Producer said:

    The media’s still trying to sweep this story under the rug. Issues, shmissues at this point. I do not trust this man with our lives.

    I just heard Chris Mathews on the TV say something about awarding someone a Nobel Peace Prize in the same sentence as Rev. Wright. Was he talking about Obama? I missed it. Don’t ask why I have MSNBC on. He was discussing Obama’s aunt briefly a few minutes ago, and I left the TV on.

  22. #222
    On November 1st, 2008 at 6:30 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Arizona
    What defense rifle would be good for my wife that she could also use for deer hunting? She is only five foot three. A light weight gal.

  23. #223
    On November 1st, 2008 at 6:37 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Why do you have MSLSD on?

    I called my cable company and spoke with them about dropping that channel from my package.

    They said that at this time they could not just drop individual channels from my package, but that they were always looking for ways to meet customers needs. BS of course.

    But I plan on calling often to see if they are any closer to allowing us consumers to choose the stations we want inside our basis and extended basic packages.

    I do not pay for any premium channels. Don’t want em.

    I encourage everyone to begin calling for your cable companies to drop MSLSD at a minimum.

    Others can be added, or rather dropped, from the list at your own choosing. I just want to start with MSNBC being removed from my tv.

    The thought of my money, any small piece of it, being used to support MSNBC is sickening to me.

  24. #224
    On November 1st, 2008 at 6:46 pm, Joy said:

    On November 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pm, ajmontana said:
    A suicide jumper left a note for Odopey…. “Obama please take care of my family”

    what the heck was he smokin?
    His Royal Dopeyness doesn’t even take care of his own.

    As truly sad as suicide is, I couldn’t help but bust up laughing when I read that. I thought the exact same thing.

    Oldcollegeguy1980 – Our local cable offers free MSNBC, CNN and I think a couple of others, but you have to pay for the higher tier to get FOX…

  25. #225
    On November 1st, 2008 at 6:47 pm, WisCon said:

    I’ll be happy when Bush is finally gone. He and the Shamnesty Republicans (most notably John McCain) had the chance to fix our immigration problem and authorized a worthless electronic fence and tried to shove amnesty down our throats.

    Those Republicans sold us out on one of the most important issues regarding this country. Never forget that.

  26. #226
    On November 1st, 2008 at 6:52 pm, FamilyMan said:

    The court system if one third of the government. As with most of you folks I’m not a fan of McCain, but he will appoint constructionist judges. Please don’t waste your vote on a third party. We can fight those battles some other day.

  27. #227
    On November 1st, 2008 at 6:52 pm, oldcollegeguy1980 said:

    Joy I on the other hand would pay extra to not have MSNBC on my TV.

    As long as that extra amount did not in any way go to either MSNBC or their parent network

  28. #228
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:00 pm, Joy said:

    I don’t even own a TV. I get all my info on the WEB through various trusted sources and watch Netflix and DVDs of my choosing for entertainment.

    It’s amazing when you’re no longer subjected to commercials and vulgar content and then you go to someone else’s home and see that stuff how shocking it really can be. Desensitization…. of the masses. I hate TV.

    But I refuse to watch CNN, MSNBC or the other Nutwork News programs even at other people’s homes.

  29. #229
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:02 pm, SoCal said:

    I never thought I would see a day where America haters might outnumber America lovers.

    I hope Obama loses… but if he doesn’t, it is a sad day for the United States.

  30. #230
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:03 pm, rambler said:

    Obama, all talk and no action. His poor decisions just keep accumulating. I see his poll numbers sinking like air seeping from a balloon. His camp is scared that he will lose.
    The tortoise will win against the rabbit.

  31. #231
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:05 pm, RogerCfromSD said:

    Obama commands us to be unselfish and patriotic: Pay higher taxes. Be our brother’s keeper.

    Does he practice what he preaches?

    Half-brother in abject poverty. Aunt in a slum. Constituents living in highest crime and murder center of the country.

    What the hell has this clown ever done to take care of anyone but himself?

  32. #232
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:16 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    I just got here and haven’t read all the comments but, why the hell is Bush getting involved? No one listens to him anyway unless he makes a grammer screw up or prounounces something wrong. Almost every site I to go to there is this stupid thing on the side asking “will you vote for obama, yes or no.” None of them have the option of HELL NO! Just this thing about his aunt should turn people away from the scumbag but it hasn’t. Now FOX has a headline saying that Kenya is for obama………who gives a damn??? Kenya can have the bastard, we don’t need him.I told myself I wouldn’t let this election get to me like the last two but what can I say, I happen to love the nation my dad give a portion of his life to in WWII. It hurts to see USA going to hell in a hand basket and thats exactly what will happen if bo is elected. Win or lose there will be blood in the streets. Unlike the blood spilled in our 1st Civil war this blood will be spilled in vain. I also read that some idiot jumped to his death and left bo a suicide note. Oh my gosh!!! If these morons are willing to give thier lives for this anti-American POS then I suggest all of them do it…..NOW. I know no one ever reads my comments here anyway but sometimes it sure feels good to let off some steam.

  33. #233
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:17 pm, graysonret said:

    Joy, we have a TV in our house, but it is tuned mostly to the educational channels and sports (Nascar, bowling and Redskins, etc.). It is extremely rare to have any of the commerical stations like CBS, ABC, NBC on. Science, history, Military, Nat’l geographic channels are the most popular here. Yes, commericals are aplenty, but it’s good to watch something and learn, rather than stare mindlessly at some stupid comedy or celebrity show. MSNBC? We couldn’t even tell you what channel number that is. If nothing is on, we have an extensive movie/history library of DVDs here to hit. I haven’t watched a “news” show all year, except if I can catch Michelle on FOX. WisCon, don’t forget the democrats too. Both sides shoved the issue under the rug. Democrats, especially, want amnesty. They know, as it has always been, that new immigrant voters go with the democrats. Does anyone remember Tammandy Hall?

  34. #234
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:19 pm, Joy said:

    Family Man – As most know here, I don’t believe McCain will nominate constructionist judges because in his heart he knows they will overturn his precious McCain/Feingold, and will Dem majorities, there will be no way to get them in. He and his awful ‘gang of 14′ saw to that.

    In all honesty the only thing that might tip my hand to McCain is Palin. What I hate is the thought that I would vote for the ticket with the deep down hope McCain croaks, naturally of course, quietly in his sleep… and then I wonder how I can vote my conscience with that wish lingering in my thoughts.

    I am one of those who truly believes that we are totally done in at this point. Next up is a revolutionary war, and I’m good with that. There is no more compromise with the evil pervading the Ds or the Rs.

    And in a thread the other day where Bill Grant thought Stevens should stay in the race even after being found guilty on 7 counts… it just shows me that the Rs no longer have the moral high ground.

    No country can sustain itself with as much corruption as we now have in both parties.

    So I watch the left and swear to vote McCain regardless just to fight off their incredible fraud and goon tactics, and then I read Bill Grants crap or hear McCain and my heart just sinks and I again wonder what I’m going to do.

    I’m going to vote, as I must vote Yes on 8 here in Calif… and in the grand scheme of things it probably won’t matter who I vote for POTUS since I’m in Socialist California and we know how it’s going to go. BUT, I am also aware that the total vote count does mean something.

    This election sucks… The corruption is spreading and at some point a person has to stand back, remove themselves from the corruption and pray for divine protection. I can’t ask God to defend me or save my country if I am a part of the evil.

    I know you didn’t ask for all this, but that’s my heart and that’s my dillema. I do find myself naturally rooting for McCain at this point, because b. Hussein and the left have reached new heights in vile, ugly behavior. I’ll only be able to say what I did after I’ve been in the booth. Because I still don’t know myself.

  35. #235
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:29 pm, Joy said:

    graysonret – Yes, I love NOVA, National Geographic and good Documentaries. And I love classics.

    TIP for everyone: If you haven’t seen Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed I highly recommend it. Whether you believe in Evolution, Creationism or Intelligent Design (and no, creationism and ID are not the same), it has a lot to do with our current culture beyond that. The stifling of free speech, the Berlin wall, and other facist ideologies. And it is very funny and moving.

  36. #236
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:40 pm, Joy said:

    coffeeguzzler – I read your rants. And I understand your anger and exasperation. It is absolutely astounding to me that just 7 years after 9/11 we would be looking at someone like b. Hussein. It’s sureal.

    And I wish with all my heart we had a better offering than McCain, because if we did, we’d win. I still think he might win.

    But one thing I don’t agree with is that the blood will be spilled in vain. It just may be our last hope to get our country back so that none of our Vets will have died in vain. At least we must go down fighting for what is right and good and decent.

    And know that our Father in Heaven knows that your Dad did not die in vain. In the end, all will be made right and those who sided with right, will have their reward. And it will be for eternity, not just for the split moment in eternity of this fragile life here in mortality.

  37. #237
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm, CO2 Producer said:

    Don’t worry, Julie B.’s on Fox. Won’t be switching the channel or turning off the TV until at least the end of the hour.

    A story she was talking about brings up an interesting thing we already knew. More Dems are voting early than Repubs. Democratic precincts are ordering more voting machines to keep lines down. Good. I don’t want to hear anything about disenfranchised voters when this is done. But the difference between D’s & R’s voting early also tells me that their minds are made up and that they don’t care what anyone else has to say anymore.

    I prefer to wait until all the known facts have been determined and judge accordingly when the time comes. If McCain screws up royally in the next three days, believe me, I’d want to know. A consequence of my inquiring mind, I suppose. Have a good weekend, folks.

    Vote.

  38. #238
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pm, IrishMom said:

    Just got home and looked at Drudge… what the heck is this story about Bambi wanting his own national security force… what the ####? Sounds like brownshirts to me. Can anyone give me more info? Thanks!

  39. #239
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:52 pm, jangar said:

    a “dirty trick”…

    …on a dirty politician from Chicago

    (there’s an oxymoron for you)

  40. #240
    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:54 pm, jangar said:

    Anybody know what happened to Redpill?

  41. #241
    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:04 pm, ajmontana said:

    It’s saturday, he probably took a blue pill. 8) lol

  42. #242
    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm, CO2 Producer said:
    More Dems are voting early than Repubs. Democratic precincts are ordering more voting machines to keep lines down.

    They are voting early but they are voting for McCain. See here.

  43. #243
    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:11 pm, Misscheryl said:

    I wondered where RedPill is too.

    Family Man – re: your question on what kind of self defense weapon should your wife use that can also be used for deer hunting. Depending on where you live, you may have to use a shotgun for deer. I know in So. Michigan you do, here in Oklahoma you can use a rifle. That’s probably not much help but I have used a semi-automatic, featherweight shotgun and I’m 4’11″ and it was quite comfortable for me. I’m not very knowledgeable about brand, etc. but maybe that will point you in the right direction.

  44. #244
    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:13 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    Thank you Joy!

  45. #245
    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm, MrOlympia said:

    A lot of great and funny posts. I sure enjoyed reading this topic.

    This whole friggin Obama phenomenon is just too bizarre. Its truly straight out of “The Twilight Zone.”

    The um…..cough cough…post racial candidate has done more to set back race relations, at this time, than anyone on earth. Unfortunately, whether THE ONE wins or loses things get worse. What a dang shame!!!

  46. #246
    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    On November 1st, 2008 at 6:30 pm, FamilyMan said:
    Arizona
    What defense rifle would be good for my wife that she could also use for deer hunting? She is only five foot three. A light weight gal.

    I strongly advise you, do not use a deer rifle for home defense. It would do an excellent job of stopping any obama lover that comes into your home uninvited but after going through the scum it will also go through your neighbors house and possible harm an innocent bystander. A shotgun is a good choice because trap loads have little recoil and your little lady could handle them quite easily. The only drawback is it will leave a heck of a mess to clean up but gaurenteed to stop any bho voter trying to help themselves to what little you have left after your weath has been distrubuted.

  47. #247
    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:24 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    On November 1st, 2008 at 6:30 pm, FamilyMan said:
    Arizona
    What defense rifle would be good for my wife that she could also use for deer hunting? She is only five foot three. A light weight gal.

    I strongly advise you, do not use a deer rifle for home defense. It would do an excellent job of stopping any obama lover that comes into your home uninvited but after going through the scum it will also go through your neighbors house and possible harm an innocent bystander. A shotgun is a good choice because trap loads have little recoil and your little lady could handle them quite easily. The only drawback is it will leave a heck of a mess to clean up but gaurenteed to stop any bho voter trying to help themselves to what little you have left after your weath has been distrubuted.

  48. #248
    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:26 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    I swear I only clicked “Submit Comment” once. Sorry for the double post.

  49. #249
    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pm, Joy said:

    MrOlympia – I have never had a racist bone in my body. I can remember even as a young girl telling my Father and Grandmother not to use ‘those words’ around me. Meaning vulgar names for minority races. I have always had friends of any race and would never stand for someone in my hearing to make racial slurs without speaking my mind to them.

    But since b. Hussein has been running, I find myself thinking racially divided thoughts. I am SO sick of being called a racist by him and his followers! They are creating racists from people who never have been. And I sincerely believe that people who are already racist are being pushed to be more so.

    The Great Healer is setting race relations back 50 years with his attitude and his RAAAACIST comments.

    He and anyone else who screeches RAAAACISM at every innocent gesture and word are the real RAAAAACISTS… and I’m not going to allow him to twist me up.

    CoffeeGuzzler – That has happened to me before too!

  50. #250
    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pm, rooster said:

    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pm, IrishMom said:
    Just got home and looked at Drudge… what the heck is this story about Bambi wanting his own national security force… what the ####? Sounds like brownshirts to me. Can anyone give me more info? Thanks!

    Yes ‘the one” has declared that he will create a civilian security force and only nation of islam members need apply, chairman of the board, Louie Farrakhan.

  51. #251
    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm, Judabuggs said:

    Good evening Everyone,

    I just found this link at Drudge Report… thought you all might be interested. BO talks about a Civiliam Military Force… creepy stuff:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

    Juda

  52. #252
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pm, Judabuggs said:

    Oops!

    Civiliam=Civilian

  53. #253
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:03 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:41 pm, CO2 Producer said:
    More Dems are voting early than Repubs. Democratic precincts are ordering more voting machines to keep lines down.

    They may be voting earlier (Dems), but doesn’t mean 100% of them are voting for Obama.

    On another note…I caught this quote from Cornel West in an AP article a few minutes ago.

    ”The empire is in decline, the culture is in decay, the democracy is in trouble, financial markets near collapse,” said Princeton professor Cornel West. ”It’s almost Biblical. And you can imagine what the black brothers and sisters in the barbershops and beauty salons say: ‘Right when the thing is about to go under, they hand it over to the black man.”’

    Article here.

  54. #254
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm, rooster said:

    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm, Judabuggs said:
    Good evening Everyone,

    I just found this link at Drudge Report… thought you all might be interested. BO talks about a Civiliam Military Force… creepy

    What he only admits privately is that nation of islam members need apply.

  55. #255
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:05 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    Ya know Joy, I give my life to our Savior in 1996 (I haven’t had a drink since by the way) and since then I stopped using racial slurs myself but since this mess with bo I find myself wanting to use the “N” word whenever the subject of bo comes up. I know there is a huge differance between good decent black people and the others but it’s crazy how much power bo has to make me want to use the “N” word again. I’m ashamed but I’m human too. It’s like when I’m accused of being racist I want to behave like one too because I’ll get blamed for it anyway. Wow, I’m really blowing off steam today.

  56. #256
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:05 pm, Silkyinfamous said:

    Via cjburch, this Ace of Spades commenter sums it all up: “Obama’s aunt is here ILLEGALLY living in poverty, and is a deportation FUGITIVE. She’s collecting WELFARE and has DONATED to Obama’s campaign, ILLEGALLY! Obama. Family in poverty as he makes millions.

    So everyone who has money supports everyone else in their family. That’s just nonsense. Obama’s Campaign should have vetted all family members before engaging in such a campaign as for President of the United States, and the closeness with concerns to family, shows a real issue, which only empowers the Right on the Controversy of his truthfulness.

  57. #257
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:07 pm, Judabuggs said:

    Hey, CoffeeGuzzler, are you still here?

  58. #258
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    Yeah I’m here. I’m enjoying myself here today.

  59. #259
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Coffee Shakes CoffeeGuzzler :) ? As far as a deer rifle–that depends–.308/30-06 or more-no, too powerful.

    A 30-30, .45 colt or .44 magnum lever gun would be alright with hollow point or baslistic tips. Hollow point defensive loads, not hunting loads. They are true dual use guns. And with a lever gun you will feel like the Duke!

    On November 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pm, IrishMom said:

    Just got home and looked at Drudge… what the heck is this story about Bambi wanting his own national security force… what the ####? Sounds like brownshirts to me. Can anyone give me more info? Thanks!

    Yes Brownshirts, Blackshirts. All good tyrants need their personal thugs to keep the State, Party and functionaries terrorized.

    From the Czars Secret Police to the Gestapo to the Stassi to Castro’s and Hugo’s mobs they all have them.

    See above.

    That Every Man Be Armed–You Too ladies

  60. #260
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm, Judabuggs said:

    CoffeeGuzzler,

    I’ve been reading your comments. Sounds as though you are pretty frazzled about the election. I have been, too. But I want you to know that not all is lost.

    In searching the web, I have found MANY blogs of disaffected Hillary supporters. There are many, many Democrats who are conservative/moderate Democrats. They HATE what the Democratic Party and BO are doing in this election.

    All is not lost!
    Juda

  61. #261
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    “Senator Obama has no knowledge of her status but obviously believes that any and all appropriate laws be followed,”

    Obama is a P.O.S. LIAR.

    How the hell can his supporters vote for him and look at themselves in the mirror?

  62. #262
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:13 pm, Silkyinfamous said:

    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm, NJ-Aviator said:
    How the hell can his supporters vote for him and look at themselves in the mirror?

    With an actual reasoning that a Constitutional Law Professor will follow within the guidelines of the Constitution.

  63. #263
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    Thanks Juda,
    Gosh I hope people wake up. I’ve got a friend that is always telling me about the “silent majority” but where were they during the last election when we lost so many seats? And like NJ-Avatior just said….how can these people look themselves in the mirror? I appreciate your engouragement Juda, I need all I can get. God Bless!

  64. #264
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:20 pm, Judabuggs said:

    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm, NJ-Aviator said:
    How the hell can his supporters vote for him and look at themselves in the mirror?

    You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time… BUT YOU CAN’T FOOL ME!

  65. #265
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pm, Judabuggs said:

    Thanks for the blessings! We have to keep each other going.

  66. #266
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm, rooster said:

    Obama is a P.O.S. LIAR.

    How the hell can his supporters vote for him and look at themselves in the mirror?

    Because, like Michael Savage correctly states; “Liberalism is a Mental Disorder.”

  67. #267
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:31 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Gosh I hope people wake up. I’ve got a friend that is always telling me about the “silent majority” but where were they during the last election when we lost so many seats?

    Sitting on their hands. The GOP MeTOOed them selves right out of control. They took the 2004 election as a chance to dip into the cookie jar instead of being the responsible Conservatives they promised.

    How long you keep an employee who lied to you? It is a damn shame, they never seem to learn for long. Not we are threatened with Obaminites.


    That Every Man Be Armed–You Too ladies

  68. #268
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:34 pm, Judabuggs said:

    Here is an article at American Thinker you guys may find interesting and uplifting.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/notes_from_a_battleground_stat_1.html

  69. #269
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:37 pm, nlebou said:

    Pelosi’s daughter is on FOX. She is as big a twit as her mother.

  70. #270
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:37 pm, love2rumba said:

    RE: The US Supreme court.

    What some of you may not realize is that McCain can in fact appoint constructionist Judges and yes Supreme Court Judges, but it will require pressure from us to make that happen to amke it politically viable. I refer specifically to what is in our constitution already…the recess appointment

    Case in Point: The first black member of the Supreme court was Thurgood Marshall..President Dwight Eisenhower had to get him in by using his executive constitutional authority via the recess appointment. The problem of course was that after 2 or so years, Congress would still have to approve the decision made by the President. It did (even though segregationist democrats from the South bitterly opposed his nomination).

    The same thing can be done by McCain/Palin with respect to constructionist judges….but it means we will have get one way or another a conservative Senate..I, for one, am willing to take that chance by voting McCain/Palin (or should I say Palin/McCain)

  71. #271
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:39 pm, SoCal said:

    Americans have become fat and lazy. They haven’t really had to struggle for anything in their lives. I see pictures of these huge black women complaining that they are not getting enough welfare… yet they are sooooo fat, and have a big screen TV in their government housing living room. The article said the mother of these three monsters hadn’t worked in 25 years, and the 30 something daughters had NEVER had a job.

    Liberals have come to expect gain without work. Obama promises MORE gain without effort by taking the money from those who DO work.

    The country will continue to get weaker and weaker as the soft liberals vote to help the “poor and unfortunate” non-workers.

    In time, the weak will so outway the strong, that the USA will collapse and something new will arise.

    It is just evolution. I was watching a TV show today that was showing how Death Valley in California was a lush greenland 10,000 years ago with no people in sight, and I thought, in 10,000 years there will probably be no people left, and something new will be going on.

    Obama is just a step on the path of evolution…

  72. #272
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:52 pm, Joy said:

    From the article linked by BlameAmericaLast:

    ”If Obama wins, and I know he’s going to win, it will pull this country together in terms of race relations,” said Durr, who owns a cemetery monument company and is mayor of Guys, pop. 500.”

    Good thing I didn’t have water in my mouth when I read that… I wish his followers could see what he’s really doing to race relations.

    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pm, rooster said:

    On November 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pm, Judabuggs said:
    Good evening Everyone,

    I just found this link at Drudge Report… thought you all might be interested. BO talks about a Civiliam Military Force… creepy

    What he only admits privately is that nation of islam members need apply.

    Civilian NATIONAL Security Force… If that doesn’t send chills up everyone’s spine, I don’t know what would.

  73. #273
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:54 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    Thanks for the link Juda…very uplifting and amusing.

  74. #274
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:56 pm, brooklyn red said:

    Civilian NATIONAL Security Force?

    Can’t be a dictator without one.

  75. #275
    On November 1st, 2008 at 9:59 pm, love2rumba said:

    How the hell can his supporters vote for him and look at themselves in the mirror?

    Because they are mentally debauched into believing their own rhetoric and/or they are well-to-do already and living in a bubble (thinking “surely what you say can’t possibly be true”).

  76. #276
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:07 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    SoCal, you are so right about the size of these welfare recipiants. My finacee and I voluntered to serve at the “City Mission Book Bag Give Away” in Omaha before school started. Without exagerating 95% were black and of those 90% were huge. It’s sad because the children were huge too. My finacee is from India, she has had a kidney transplant and born with physical abnormalities. She is fully qualified to get Social Security Disability but she chooses to work and weighs 100 pounds soaking wet. She is a proud citizen of USA and wants to work as long as she can. She nudged me and said “look! that womans butt is hanging over both sides of her chair” and I said “and us taxpayers paid for that butt too”.

  77. #277
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:11 pm, Joy said:

    “look! that womans butt is hanging over both sides of her chair” and I said “and us taxpayers paid for that butt too”.

    :lol:
    :lol:

  78. #278
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:12 pm, memyselfandi said:

    But how in the world can she get public housing if she isn’t even supposed to be here? This stinks to high heaven! Now we’re housing illegals too?

  79. #279
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:16 pm, Joy said:

    I live in a town in Northern Calif that has a lot of welfare people, but mostly white, and the vast majority of them are obese. I can’t imagine how they afford their food bills! Even on welfare.

    And yes, I understand some people have medical conditions, but not practically a whole town.

  80. #280
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:18 pm, SoCal said:

    I heard today on a news show, that it is expected that Obama will move toward the idea that countrys that have more will give to the countrys that have less… just like he is planning to do here with our wealth, even out wealth out world wide starting with the example of the “caring” United States. His Kenyan family will be getting USA wealth in the future I guess.

  81. #281
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm, nlebou said:

    It is expensive to eat healthy. People who live on a fixed income, wether welfare or not usually have a high carb high fat diet.

  82. #282
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:21 pm, SoCal said:

    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm, nlebou said:
    It is expensive to eat healthy. People who live on a fixed income, wether welfare or not usually have a high carb high fat diet.

    Oh please. They seem to have cigarettes, beer and new Nikes.. I would think they could afford a carrot.

  83. #283
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:22 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    Is arugula expensive or does it just sound expensive? I’ve never heard of the stuff till bo came along.

  84. #284
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:23 pm, Trollman said:

    For all of those gawking at poor people who are obese – it really isn’t that surprising.

    In this country, we are so wealthy and generous, that even the poor aren’t in danger of starving.

    On the other hand, if you look at what food is cheap and convenient – it is fattening food. Good food is expensive/time intensive.

  85. #285
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:24 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:21 pm, SoCal said:
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm, nlebou said:
    It is expensive to eat healthy. People who live on a fixed income, wether welfare or not usually have a high carb high fat diet.

    Oh please. They seem to have cigarettes, beer and new Nikes.. I would think they could afford a carrot.

    Yesssssssssssss!!!

  86. #286
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:28 pm, nlebou said:

    SoCal…I agree but beer is also high carb high calorie. It is a fact that low income groups do not eat healthy. They tend to stretch their food dollars with high carb foods and unhealthy choices. Not mention the fact that habitual welfare recipients are lazy and do not execise.

  87. #287
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:28 pm, Joy said:

    nlebou – That’s ridiculous… I eat healthy and my food budget is around 150 a month… give me a break. I eat lots of salads, wheat bread, brown rice. An eating plan that is healthy and keeps you thin.

    I’ve seen what obese people eat… pizzas, donuts, cake, cookies, ice cream, potato chips, snacks galore… all those things cost a lot.

    Always an excuse. Spare me. If you earn your own living, then fine.. but not on the taxpayers expense!

    Why is everyone entitled to someone else’s hard earned money?

  88. #288
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:29 pm, Judabuggs said:

    Hello again…had to chat with my sister in Colorado…had to calm her nerves, too!

  89. #289
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:29 pm, nlebou said:

    Yes it is Trollman.

  90. #290
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:30 pm, Joy said:

    Oh yeah, I forgot about the cigs and beer. Almost nothing is as expensive as cigs.

  91. #291
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    Juda, it looks like you’re putting out fires all over the country tonight.

  92. #292
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:33 pm, nlebou said:

    I eat the same things you just mentioned and they ARE more expensive than say mac and cheese, white bread which is much cheaper than whole wheat. Canned foods are high in sodium but much cheaper than fresh foods. I never said anyone was entitled to some one elses money. I firmly beleive in working for a living. I have all my life.

  93. #293
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:33 pm, Judabuggs said:

    :) I’m trying, Coffee. :)

  94. #294
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:33 pm, Joy said:

    nlebou – Again, not on the taxpayer’s money!

    Eating healthy does not need to be expensive. I am living proof of that.

  95. #295
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:36 pm, Trollman said:

    Joy said:

    nlebou – That’s ridiculous… I eat healthy and my food budget is around 150 a month… give me a break. I eat lots of salads, wheat bread, brown rice. An eating plan that is healthy and keeps you thin.

    nbleu is dead on. If you want to go after people on welfare, that many of them are lazy, apathetic, etc., fine. Many of them get there and stay there because they do not value things like education and in wedlock births. But if you don’t have a lot of cash, and you don’t like that hungry feeling in your tummy, then fattening food is the easy thing to do.

    As someone who provides the meals for my family, I know what I am talking about. Buying food that is already prepared is cheap, and far more convenient (and far less healthy). I rarely eat out, and prepare most of our meals. It takes a lot of time and effort. To have a meal that 1. tastes good, 2. is nutritious, and 3. isn’t bad for you, takes money – more money than it would cost for a couple of burritos at Taco Bell.

    A carrot might be more nutritious, but a carrot does nothing whatsoever to quell my appetite.

  96. #296
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:37 pm, Judabuggs said:

    In addition to poor eating habits, obesity is also related to LIFESTYLE. If the only thing you do is sit around the house and eat….well, guess what happens?

  97. #297
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:37 pm, Joy said:

    And again, go into their homes and look in their cupboards and waste cans and you’ll see expensive pizzas, expensive snacks, expensive potato chips, expensive cakes, expensive ice cream, etc.

    And again, my food budget is 150 per month and it’s almost all healthy. I do allow for treats now and then. They could make better choices, they simply choose not to. You buy bulk, and shop at Farmer’s Markets. Look for sales… careful shopping.

  98. #298
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pm, CoffeeGuzzler said:

    Marching and carrying signs for bo and shouting disgusting things about McCain/Palin is the most exercise some of these people have had in years.

  99. #299
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pm, nlebou said:

    nlebou – Again, not on the taxpayer’s money!

    Eating healthy does not need to be expensive. I am living proof of that.

    I don’t know why you think I am making excuses. I do not believe in welfare. Never have. But I can tell you I have been in the low income bracket and it IS more expensive to eat healthy. I am fortunate now and I can afford to eat a more healthy diet. There is a lot of data out there to support what I am telling you. I used to have to feed a family of 5 on $50/wk andI know from experience that eating healthy is more expensive.

  100. #300
    On November 1st, 2008 at 10:44 pm, Trollman said:

    Joy said:

    And again, go into their homes and look in their cupboards and waste cans and you’ll see expensive pizzas, expensive snacks, expensive potato chips, expensive cakes, expensive ice cream, etc.

    Not all pizzas, snacks, etc. are expensive. In fact, often times, what is the least healthy is the cheapest. Foods that contain partially hydrogenated oil, for example, are often cheaper because they are made with ingredients that don’t spoil. Cheaper food often equals unhealthier food.

    Joy said:

    And again, my food budget is 150 per month and it’s almost all healthy. I do allow for treats now and then. They could make better choices, they simply choose not to. You buy bulk, and shop at Farmer’s Markets. Look for sales… careful shopping.

    Not everyone has access to farmer’s markets – especially the poor in the inner city. You aren’t disagreeing with me here – we both agree it takes a lot of effort to eat healthy. That is much of the problem – many don’t have the self-discipline.

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