Election Day: America votes
So, will Michelle Obama be calling our country “downright mean” again at the end of the night? Or will she and The One get the chance to “transform” the constitution, the military, the schools, and every other aspect of American life in their image?
Toledo police are gearing up — literally — with gas masks and helmets.
Let me know what turnout looks like in your neck of the woods.
And let me know what local, county, and state races and measures matter most to you.
Some of the down ticket action I’ll be tracking throughout the day (I’ll be adding to the list):
* Murtha/Russell, 12th congressional district, Pa. I belive in miracles.
*Barletta/Kanjorski, 11th CD, Pa. Lou Barletta is the staunch opponent of illegal immigration and mayor of Hazleton. He’s one of the few House GOP candidates poised to take a seat away from a sitting Democrat.
*Franken/Coleman, Minn. Senate. Three scary-as-hell words: Senator Al Franken.
*Washington gubernatorial race. A Dino Rossi-Christine Gregoire rematch. It was razor-thin last time. GOP candidate Rossi is a rock-solid conservative with broad appeal. Watch Sound Politics.
*Senate races by bailout vote.
*Races noted by See-Dubya: Lt. Col Allen West in Florida and Keith Fimian in Northern Virginia.
*Ward Connerly’s anti-racial preference measures in Colorado and Nebraska. Both likely to pass, as they have every single time they’ve made it onto the ballot.
*Prop. 8, the marriage protection initiative in California, and two other marriage measures in Arizona and Florida.
*T. Boone Pickens’ Big Wind boondoggle initiative in Cali.
*Via NR, life and tax measures:
The culture of life is on the ballot in five states. California, Colorado, and South Dakota have the opportunity to limit abortion rights. An initiative in Michigan would permit the destruction of human embryos in scientific research and allow state funding for it. This vote will test the strength of the pro-life movement in a state that is home to many culturally conservative Democrats. Finally, the state of Washington will consider following in the footsteps of its neighbor to the south, Oregon, legalizing euthanasia.
Massachusetts will decide whether to phase out the state’s personal income tax. Voters in Arizona, Florida, Maine, North Dakota, Oklahoma, and Oregon also will have a chance to limit or lower their taxes. Coloradoans will ponder raising their state sales tax to provide more services to the disabled. Minnesotans also will have a chance to increase their sales taxes so that the state government can spend more on parks and the arts. Although Minnesotans love the outdoors, taxpayer groups point out that St. Paul already has underwritten such public artworks as sculpture popularly known as “The Big Poo.” Simple disgust may compel enough voters to flush down this tax hike.
*More races to watch from Down The Ticket.
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In fact, it was the closest gubernatorial race in US history. After three recounts, Rossi lost by 129 votes.
It looks to be a close one again. If any of you are from WA and have not sent in your ballot, it’s not too late. There are drop-off locations all over the state.
I voted on my way to work this morning and everything ran smooth and quick as usual (except for the guy that realized they were checking for valid voter registrations and nervously excused himself from line
).
Spent about an hour and a half in line (Fairfax, VA). Funny how the voting line for me was one place this season where no one discussed the election! It was actually pretty entertaining, had a nice older lady (from China) who was voting for the first time as an American citizen. She took pictures and I have no doubt was more prepared than 75% of those in line.
It’s meeting these types of people that make me proud to be an American. Not MO and her “downright mean” garbage.
I’ll put you down as dim, but with a high opinion of your sense of humor.
BTW, if Obama wins Georgia by less than the number of votes Barr gets, well, I don’t anticipate being in Georgia anytime soon, but I’d like to spit in the face and punch in the nose any person that handed this country to the man that shares Jeremiah Wright and Bernadine Dohrn’s hatred of America. I’m a Christian guy, I’d want to do that, but never would.
The very definition of cutting off the nose to spite the face.
If you live in a safely McCain state like Texas or a safely Obama state like Massachusetts, go ahead and cast a protest vote, but to be that selfish in a state in play. Like the different bands of zealots burning each other’s food supplies as the Romans were about to sack Jerusalem and destroy the Temple.
Stupid.
Finally! Finally! You have seen the truth and are willing to say it out loud. Congratulations!
took me about an hour and I’m in a small town of 18K population…a lot of older people early in the morning and a few mentioned that they had their yard signs stolen…one lady was wearing an Alaska t-shirt and her hubby was wearing a US flag…
It took them quite awhile to get as many fake ballots as they needed. Hopefully this time Gregoire goes on the rubbish heap of history.
So why did Obinkee go back to campaign in Iowa i wonder?
It’ll be 8 hours until I can vote in a state that will go heavily Obama. I may be the last man in America to vote against him, but count on it.
It’s cute to think that either major candidate is any different. A protest vote accomplishes two things: Allows you to sleep at night, and (if it decides the election for Obama) gives us a nice fall man for the sh!tstorm that is about to hit us. I’m sick of conservative policies being blamed for liberal failures.
And yes Ed, I voted Barr in Colorado.
Anyone want to bet how many posts will be in this thread by the end of the day?
918 is my guess. The last post I read was bear1909 at #208.
Voted in a small city in KS today about 10:00 am, longer line than I’ve ever seen before but it moved rather rapidly – about 30 minutes to get to the actual machine.
Heard there were terrible problems in Kansas City last night with early voting still going on. Reports of awaiting for hours and some finally being turned away without getting to vote.
I live in a mostly-rural part of eastern PA. I got to my polling place at about 7:30 and I was Voter #120, only 1/2 hour after opening for business. By our standards, that’s high turnout. There were three young people directly in front of me in line. If that’s an omen, McCain is in trouble. I usually don’t see many younger folk.
Dead people hold up the line.
12:42 EST
On CNN, interview in St Louis.
Discussing the lines the morning, the interviewer noted that the interviewee left, but came back to vote for Change. The interviewee stated:
“I came back to vote a couple of times!”
Interviewer noted that was illegal, and they made a quick cut away from location.
Betcha that Obama water CNN is carrying is getting pretty heavy.
I never expected Indiana to be considered a ‘battleground state.’
I mean, come on. We’re a bunch of cornfed Midwesterners. Except for some of the bigger cities like Indianapolis and Gary, we’re pretty heavily Republican. Even when we vote Democrat locally, they’re usually more moderate than out-and-out lib.
I’m just grateful Obama didn’t pick Evan Bayh (IN Senator) for his VP. I think we’d have been blue for sure then.
On November 4th, 2008 at 12:41 pm, Ahh a Lion! said:
Fall man? Fall man?
All of that presupposes that we will maintain free speech under an Obama administration and a democratic congress / senate. That people will be able to get news to apportion blame appropriately. That people will be able to vote their way out.
Just how do you think, with the Fairness doctrine about to be revoked, the Internet about to be regulated, our voting laws a tangled mess and sure to get worse, and even the dopey Fox News under the gun, that this will be at all possible?
I bet there were people in Cuba and Venezula who thought they’d be able to vote their way out of it, too…
No offense, but you are naive and far too willing to risk everything just so your team can win next time around.
It’s not about teams, it’s about the country and freedom.
Exactly.
It’s a long, loong, looong win-or-lose struggle.
No in-between.
Big stakes…possibly ultimately life-and-death.
Meant as a joke, but oh so true.
Anyway, Dems celebrated in 1976, and again in 2006, and bad things happened. The housing/credit crisis is almost entirely a Dem driven thing. Remember the double digit inflation and unemployment numbers of Carter?
Patriots celebrated in 1994, and again in 2000. Generally good things happened. The recession that started during the Summer of 2000 was made worse by the 9-11 terror attacks planned under Clinton, but Bush’s tax stimulus ended that recession quite quickly.
So, y’all can celebrate if Obama wins, and then the country won’t vote for a Dem again for at least 12 years, if Jimmy Carter is any indication.
Whether a malicious agent or just an incompetent, I see Obama screwing things so badly even the 5 to 10% head start ACORN and the built in voting fraud may not be enough.
Of course, Carter gave us Iran and his weakness gave us the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, so both Hezb’Allah and al Qaeda owe their existence to him, and we are still dealing with that three decades later. Who knows what foreign policy and judicial disasters Obama will bring that the country will still be paying for in 2040?
Nothing personal, but you must be a blithering idiot if you think there is no difference between a RINO and a Marxist.
Allows the enemy of freedom to grab power legitimately; and
Allows the voter the convenience of saying its not his/her fault.
MistressJustice, liberals don’t have any guns. You’re voting for someone who wants to ban them, remember?
At last, you’re being truthful about him. I’ve said before, I think we’re being a good influence on you.
Re: FilmLadd
There’s a lot of hyperbole in that statement Film. We’re not going to turn into Cuba with 4 years of Obama. The market is going to catch up with us, and inflation is going to go through the roof – We’ll probably get price controls – We’ll probably see shortages – We’ll probably see double digit unemployment – We’ll probably see 1-2 trillion dollar yearly deficits. But the fact is that this will happen with McCain or Obama, and they have both shown that the only solution they believe in is socialism.
Now the funny part here, is that when Obama does win, everyone on this site (and republicans in general) are going to be using this same reasoning for hope going forward. We just have to hope that the conservative wing of the party wins the coming internal war.
Just voted. As I travelled around this morning I saw McCain/Palin signs out numbering Obama 2 to 1 in areas which went for Kerry in 04. It’s going to be an interesting night.
I understand you can vote for whomever you like, but a vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Obama.
As stupid as a liberal….
A third-party vote in a tight race is just flushing. I remember back during the Bush-Clinton-Perot race people kept trying to justify their principled vote… didn’t really help anyone though, did it?
Too busy at work to look it up right now.
Anyone here know how many years of Castro it took for Cuba to “turn into Cuba”?
Just Billy-boy.
I’ll so take the over if you want to call it tomorrow at sayyy, 6am.
BTW. I’ll willing to debate policies and ramifications tomorrow and after. Today/tonight, I’ll be leaving lighthearted quips with mild trash talk. You will see a mea culpa tonight if my guy loses. At this point I see Obama winning with a non-landslide total of 285-310 electoral votes. I expect to lose Ohio, Indiana, and barely Florida.
However,
Watch for Georgia in a Barr assisted Obama shocker. If GA and NC fall in line for Obama it could get very, very ugly for the elephants.
On November 4th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, Ahh a Lion! said:
It’s naive and stupid to think that countries can not fail or have an iron curtain fall over them. History shows that it happens on a regular basis.
I am sure quite a few German Jews thought it was hyperbolic re: warnings about Hitler, when they voted third party in the Weimarch.
Obama has promised the ‘Freedom of Choice Act’, that will roll back all state limits on abortion. Including concience exemptions for doctors and institutions (like Catholic run hospitals) that currently choose not to murder the unborn.
Congressional Dems have made it clear they plan to bring back the ‘Fairness Doctrine’, which will allow only the most profitable (Limbuagh, Hannity) radio shows to survive, as every hour of conservative radio must be balanced with an equal number of low revenue (remember Air America?) lib shows. There may even be local committees set up to take complaints and perform investigations. I’d guess the Salem Radio Network will fold, Mark Levin and Michael Savage will go off the air, and while Dr. Laura isn’t inherently political, her defense of traditional Jewish family values may require an equal time show dedicated to hedonism. Many radio stations will probably drop the talk radio format.
Fox News and satellite radio aren’t currently under FCC control, but the “Commerce Clause” allows an activist Congress to decide almost anything is within their power.
Funding for ACORN will increase, and they want, and will get, nationwide same day registration and voting. It makes voter fraud easier. Obama will start 2012 with a 5 or 10% margin in fraudulent votes built into the system.
The elderly activist judges, like former ACLU head abortion ‘rights’ litigator Ruth Bader Ginsburg will step down to let Obama fill their seats with ideological clones in their 30s and 40s who will serve four or five decades, and if the coin toss Justice Kennedy, or Justices Scalia, Alito, Thomas or Roberts die, Obama will have five reliable Marxist judges to rubber stamp anything he wants. The system of checks and balances will be gone.
With a court like that, Congress can effectively gut the Second Amendment, or the First Amendment, and the Court will rubber stamp it.
Yes, there is a difference between a RINO and a Communist.
when, and if, we fall, it will be fast and far.
Correct.
As I said easrlier, we’re not talking about a Celtics-Lakers game, or a rose versus dry white decision.
The stakes in this election are very high, very serious; and no amount of derisive dismissal is going to change that fact.
Facts, after all, are stubborn things, as the saying goes – and, they cannot be made to disappear with a wise-ass comment or three.
I was a poll watcher in my area of Virginia. Generally, we are a heavily Republican district and it seemed to me that Republicans were turning out in larger than expected numbers. I would say I handed out 5 to 10 sample ballots for every sample ballot handed out by the Dems.
However, there was a clear attempt at voter intimidation by the obama Democrats. Stationed with the Obama camp was a lawyer who sat behind a sign that said “it is your right to vote” followed by “we guarantee it”. The “we guarantee it” was clearly a threat of legal action if someone from the obama camp complained about anything.
I conveyed this intimidation issue to our local internet newpaper which is new in town and much better done than the local rag. The reporterette said that a number of people had the same observation. Interesting that obama doesn’t want any lawyers near big city polling places but wants to suppress the rural vote.
One final note, there will be riots regardless of whether obama wins or loses. If he wins, the celebrations will be similar to the riot when a sports team wins a championship. If he loses, stay away from the big cities, particularly the black neighborhoods.
On November 4th, 2008 at 1:22 pm, granite said:
But they can be covered over with a Fairness Doctrine or two.
Reading the headlines today–Black Panthers blocking access to the voting booths; Republican election board workers thrown out of Philly voting precinctsm, etc. The Founding Fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they created the Electoral College. Using the national popular vote, which is unconstitutional, is becoming ridiculous; it only creates problems.
Touche!
On November 4th, 2008 at 1:04 pm, Ahh a Lion! said:
Oh reaaallllly. Why don’t you take a gander at the post that Michelle put up a few minutes ago?
Obama’s civilian security force: Billy club-wielding security guards at Philly polls
There you go, all linked and easy to get to. Hell, Cuba’s a lot closer than just a couple of miles of sea water would lead you to believe…
Durangodarlin #238
We can never allow the Electoral College to be stopped. If we did, there would be no reason to vote, at least not for almost all of us. If the president were elected by popular vote, then New York City, Washington, D.C., the Los Angeles area, Seattle and the Chicago area would pick the president every election.
Right, because if those were the questions, the answers are self evident. The Celts already answered last spring and with respect to a rose vs. a dry white, there is no question that dry white wins.
Except maybe a rose from Anjou. And I assume that rose champagnes are not being considered in the mix since that would just throw everything off.
you know chap, the revolution devours its own first…ask trotsky.
In Chicago, at 10:45 AM, there were no lines at my polling place. The people working there were friendly and professional.
I showed them my voter ID card to have them point me to the right desk. I wasn’t required to show any other proof of ID or citizenship. That ticked me off! I can’t help but wonder if I could vote without showing even that card…
The touch screen had a minor user interface problem, but the guy helped me out. I only saw one touch screen machine, so someone had to wait after me. Overall it was quick and painless.
I voted for someone that I think has no chance of winning, but I voted my heart. Maybe the statistics will help next time…
LOL, touche Tre. I have a gun, but it’s only a 38 special(two bullets). I need to upgrade.
Lots of voter turnout in my suburb of Oklahoma. And Oklahoma is not a battleground state – it will go to McCain. There are a lot of fired up people out here voting McCain though.
I am just praying the polls are scewed too far left; the PUMAs and Hillary supporters will show up in strength and vote McCain to offset the youth vote; and that the media bias ignored the Republican get out the vote effort so much that they’ll be shocked come Wednesday.
We voted and turnout was heavy despite cold and rain. Poll observers posted voter rolls and people were comparing them to registrars.
Nobody was doing exit polling.
Dino Rossi was robbed of the election last time due to continued recounting in heavily democratic King county until they were able to mysteriously come up with result they wanted on third (less accurate hand)count.
The first two by computer had Rossi winning by several hundred.
Funny too, more votes than registrations last time. Hmmmmm
Are biggest chance for a conservative is with Rossi, for Governor.
Yes you do, Mistress.
First, you need to join the NRA.
Second, a derringer is okay, but a revolver is better. At least a S&W five-shot.
Come visit me in Oklahoma City, in the solidly red state of Oklahoma, and I’ll let you try a few of my pistols.
Hey! You’ve got twice as many bullets as Barney Fife!
You should take up tre’s offer. Every woman in America should be comfortable handling a firearm for self-protection. Two rounds of ammo – sounds like the suicide pact special.
He’s our only chance. We’re doing our part in Everett. Hope you are, too.
I don’t know if anyone has noted this or not: McVoting at California’s drive-thru polling booth
My local polling place is empty. Empty other than the volunteers. That’s great news because this is a drunken, drug addled college area. They might be too hungover to GOTV.
As far as I’m concerned, that’s a good thing.
I live just south of Indianapolis. In 18 years, the longest I had waited to vote before today was about 20 minutes. Today, 2 hours and 15 minutes; the line was just long when I left as it was when I arrived.
“Historic Election” says the headline in today’s Cincinnati Enquirer. Well, what’s so historic about it? A black president? Who gives a flying f— WHAT color his skin is? There will be blacks all across the country crying, believing they have “arrived”, shouting “Obama!”. I’ve got news for you. Bigotry is in the human heart. If you treat someone differently based on the color of their skin, or if you look in the mirror and identify with the color of your skin, or even if you don’t like what you see, that’s in YOUR heart. The US President isn’t going to help you in that regard, whether he’s white, black, yellow, or purple polka-dotted.
I got a ballot immediately, voted, and left. Eastern Cincinnati. Always been heavily Republican. Though incumbent “Mean Jean” Schmidt “Cowards cut and run … Marines never do” has a bear of a rematch against the pediatrician Victoria Wulsin (District 2, OH). If Schmidt loses in this district, any Republican can lose anywhere.
“HEY MICHELLE!”
Do you have / Can you get
any updates from the McCain/Palin
“Voter Fraud Hotline” folks?
Any information appreciated. Thanks!
I don’t think there really is such a thing as a “Blue Dog Democrat”.
It plays better at home in non-LLL voting districts to claim to be mainstream, but nobody who knows the facts can support Obama and be a patriot. You can claim to love guns for hunting, carry an oversized Bible into church each Sunday like Bill Clinton, but it is all a sham.
A few may try to temper the worst excesses of Obama and Pelosi, only because they know it’ll be hard to defend their seats in moderate districts in 2010, but even then, there are forty self identified ‘Blue Dogs’ in the House, and Pelosi looks to have almost a 50 vote majority if the projections are correct.
I still give McCain about a 20% chance of winning, and if he loses, the next best hope is Dems have no more than 55 or 56 seats, which combined with the Northeastern RINOs might put them over the 60 votes needed to invoke cloture.
Which brings up the question about Lieberman. Will the Dems punish him for his patriotism? If they have 54 or 55 seats, and Lieberman, probably not. If they get the worst case 58 or 59 seats, effectively a filibuster proof majority, he will be stripped of his committees and the Dems will take the chance he caucuses with the GOP.
Not too much going on here at my polling location somewhat-left leaning central New York. Solid lines in the morning, for the 6 a.m. news to talk about, but pretty dead when I came to vote at about 1:00. Not too many Obeying the One and taking vacation days and half days to flock to the polls, I guess.
My guess is still McCain does better than expected, but loses just narrowly – probably thanks to voter fraud. The goons help keep Penn. blue and Colorado flips on us late tonight…
Right on Dad in Seattle and Four String Furor.Do you think if Dino wins this time we will still endure the endless lawsuits from Gregoire again? I’ll tell you this almost all mail in ballot thing really bugs me.
Just when you think the dumbed down can’t be dumbed down anymore…
Report from Cumberland County PA:
voter turnout is huge by noon we surpassed usual total votes. It is very inspiring to work the polls and see so many people with walkers, chairs etc getting their elderly selves out to cast their ballot. THINK ABOUT THAT ANYONE WHO IS POUTING AND WONT VOTE FOR
POTUS!!!
GO VOTE FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
Went to pick up an elder and get him to polls and wasn’t able to reach him noticed mail/paper/meals on wheels so
long story short with help of a neighbor we got in and the dear man had fallen and was laying on floor of his bedroom thank GOD alive. That man had been laying there for hours. He is ok made him something to eat.
Well anyway back at it.
Please people VOTE.
God Bless,,,,
Stood next to young couple for two hours in rain in Virginia. he had a graying ponytail so I figured he was an new-age kind of Obama guy. in conversation his wife mentioned he was in law enforcement. Goes to show you can’t tell a book by it’s cover. He also said “People kill people”. Unfortunately, I also looked at every black face and thought they were voting for Obama. If they all are, is that racism?
No doubt I’m biased in my opinion, but damn isn’t that flag waving high one beautiful site…I love my country…AMERICA!
Not all. Only 98%. For every white who votes against Obama because he’s black, another white will vote for him for the same reason. Racial politics. Can’t be good.
I mean is it racism on my part if I think they are all voting for Obama?
Intriguing question. Is it racism to note the voting patterns of the different races. I don’t think so. If blacks are voting 98% for Obama, it’s sensible to suggest there’s bigotry there. What did Reagan say — don’t be afraid to see what you see. It’s important to know who the bigots are. To look and see and know, that doesn’t make you a bigot. Keep your head. Don’t succumb to prejudice.
I had no idea there were so many glue sniffers in the world.
I wish I had come to this site sooner, I would have bought stock in all of the glue companies.
Thank God he has someone as wonderful as you watching out for him. Add my thanks to the pile.
Thank you P-C. Good rational answer
Voting here in Texas- actually voted two weeks ago on first day of EArly voting- but helped out at the polls for my local Candidate Mark Shelton (for State Representative)
one interesting thing happened- we hand out little cards that have bulleted things about the candidate nothing unusual or intimidating…the election “judgec” came out (supposed to be very impartial but he was very friendly with the Obama supporters and said he wanted to change things…and then he walked over to me (and supposedly others) that people were being intimidated by our little cards- I said I don’t think Dr. Shelton would intimidate anyone….He said people see these cards are getting highly upset and that these should be hidden away…I thought what a bunch of crap this is but didn’t really respond to him….he told us to tell the voters to hid these cards…..
Also I had to take a break for an hour and half and I had signs on and around my truck and I had one that said Join team sarah- very non confrontational and when I got back it was totally gone- and I don’t think it was the wind- I think some teens that WEREN”T in CLASS took it- they were sitting OUTSIDE OF THE SCHOOL carrying on…they weren’t too far from my car- all the other adults there didn’t see anything so I was irritated- but I have other signs- Iput my my anti Obama sign- “Support the Troops DEFEAT OBAMA”-
Moral of story- always carry extra signs- that is about all you can do…when you can’t catch them….
Well, if the normal number of Blacks that vote Democratic is usually in the high 80s, and this year it should be the mid to high 90s, than only 5 to 10% of the Blacks voting Obama are motivated primarily by race.
Colin Powell might be a good example, although he was wimpy enough to wait until The One had an apparently safe lead in the polls to make the endorsement, so he is probably both racist and a coward.
I will say, there are different forms of cowardice.
Murtha won Purple Hearts in the Marines, then stabbed fellow Marines in the back.
Duke Cunningham was an ace fighter pilot in Viet Nam, than took bribes as a congressman.
Colin Powell served in Viet Nam, but then stabbed America in the back. He is smart enough not to be fooled by the empty “hope and change” rhetoric.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
In Obama We Trust…. to pay my gas and mortgage…
only 26 seconds long…
she just can’t be serious!!
I live in a pretty small, lower income community and when I voted at 11:30 this morning I was the 173rd person to vote.
This year MoveOn folks weren’t at the gate, but I did have a woman who called herself a Catholic nurse representing Allegheny General Hospital try to convince me to vote for Obama. Catholic…nurse…yet when I asked her how she could support the most pro abortion senator ever, and after taking apart her flim flam excuses, she told me she isn’t a “one issue” voter.
Western PA baby, Liberal blindfolds for every body.
Colin Powell served in Viet Nam, but then stabbed America in the back. He is smart enough not to be fooled by the empty “hope and change” rhetoric.
Where will he end up if obambie loses tonight?
I know I’ve said this before but I just have to bring it up again. For the last 8 years, the Dems and their willing assistants the MSM have tried to convince America that President Bush is Hitler reincarnate. Everything about this effort has, by modern standards, been effective.
Based on this, any result in this election other than a LANDSLIDE of at least 70/30 should be considered a total loss for the Dems.
Catholic…nurse = Lesbian = Obama supporter
Okay…you take comfort in your nice warm moral victory. I’ll take comfort in the fact that Obama gets (hopefully!) to be president for 100% of the time the next four years and not just 52%.
For the liberals here trying to agitate conservatives, I am curious about something.
Most of us here that consider themselves conservatives acknowledge not only McCain’s strengths but his weaknesses as well. There is plenty on which we do not agree with John McCain.
However, can liberals here (excepting a few like Chap) acknowledge any of Obama’s weaknesses? Or have you built up such an idealistic view of the man that he will, without question, disappoint you?
Early voting and the all mail in voting
are both pushed by the Democrats. Honesty does not seem to be are part of their character make-up and both these systems allow more chances for fraud.
One lesson I see developing from this election is that more of us need to get involved politically to match the organizing that the left has mustered.
They have designed a system to grow and consolidate their power and if we do not get to work immediately to counter them we will end up as a country with no liberty or individual freedom.
Those media outlets that have actively supported the left only should not be supported (even if they carry a favorite show) and we should fiscally attack them first. The control of information is key to holding power.
Businesses should not advertise with these biased outlets who target capitalism. They should not wait to fight back until they have been driven out of business.
Conservatives organize now!
Where I voted in west central St. Louis suburbs, crowd was large at 6:00 a.m.
Very,very few blacks and youth there.
Yard signs for McCain really exploded after Palin was picked.
CNN had a reporter at a polling place in Webster Groves which is a closer in suburb and has a college and theater community. The reporter said Obama seemed to be doing well but thaat’s not necessarily representative of the larger surburban area.
Wondering if anyone has a drinking game for tonight.
Unfortunately, I also looked at every black face and thought they were voting for Obama. If they all are, is that racism?
The convoluted logic of the left is that you can’t be racist if you are a member of an “oppressed” class. In other words, black racists are not racists no matter how racist they act.
One interesting fact, I asked virtually every voter regardless of color if they wanted a sample ballot. I was clearly identified with the McCain camp. No black voter asked me for a sample ballot and every black voter who wanted a sample ballot went to the obama location even if I asked first. (It is pretty obvious that racial politics are at play big time here – and it has been artfully practiced by obama.)
FilmLadd Said:
EXACTLY! I was talking with my uncle about it the other night. He laughed at first, but then he started to realize that we can lose America. Just read through the history books.
They will tax so much we all will start to depend on the government. Then, its too late.
Let me start everyone out…
Whatever you think about how little Obama’s associations with Ayers and Wright speak to Obama’s views and policies (I think they speak very little), one cannot deny he at least used these people to get his political career started because they were major power brokers in Chicago. It shows that he is much more of a political animal than many are willing to acknowledge. I do admit that this poses a question of his character, but not a fatal one in my opinion.
On November 4th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, cicerokid said:
In the dustheap of history where he belongs.
He’s not so smart and treats his security people like dirt, I know for a fact.
He endorsed the Dear Leader so he could get back in as Secretary of State or Defense… quid pro quo, nothing else.
These kinds of officers are rare in the army, but not unheard of coming up in the Carter / early Bush admin years.
Exactly right. Watch your state legislature for the status of the National Popular Vote.
McCain camp accuses Obama of voter fraud and intimidation in PA
Sorry, Ahh, but the lessons of history say otherwise. Hitler won but not big, yet by diligence and motivation he and his team completely took over the most modern and intelligent society of Germany in the 1930s. And they did it mach schnell.
Not the US? Then read Amity Schales history of FDR’s years. FDR moved fast, and once he wrangled the Supreme Court into an arm of his administration — public freedom suffered greviously and quickly. Read the chapter on the chicken butchers to see just how fast and how severe, and HOW CLOSE WE CAME to National Socialism.
Relatedly President Bush’s reaction to to the credit crisis —throwing WILD amounts of money and authority to Paulsen and big finance can be seen as a necessary attempt to forestall the damage a nazi Obama Administration would cause, and to dilute their power, by giving away so much power BEFORE the Obama Nazis (for German National Socialism, the politics of the Nazi Party, are the closest thing to Obama’s economics and ruling models as he has expressed them) have a chance to wield it.
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In any case, McCain is winning in a landside, imo.
YET — we must always remember (at least for the nest 12 years) how damn close we came to being a Nazi Nation.
Tyranny of the majority.
Did Alexander Tytler have it right?
I’m not endorsing a endgame scenario, but it’s scary how close to the “apathy to dependence” phase this feels.
I appreciate it, Chap, but I knew you’d be good for at least one.
Anyone else?
Ick. Like this is a good reason? Just the kind of person we need to run this country? Yeah, I want a user as President…
I voted Baldwin in NC.
Its not like it is a swing state or anything….
I know this belongs in the other thread, about the Black Panther voter intimidation in Philly, but I’m committed to this thread now
Thugs like those two guys are exactly the sort that was the foundation for Hitler’s civilian security detail… well… if they were Aryans. But the emphasis here is thug, not race. From street thugs to Brown Shirts to SS to Gestapo; it is a progression to terrible to contemplate.
Do you think any person that has gotten there hasn’t done some slimy things to get there?
CleanGuy, Chap answered my question in good faith. He’s agreeing with you that Obama’s ‘user’ nature bothers him but not enough to sway his mind.
Let’s not attack the libs for being honest about any of Obama’s shortcomings, please. I’m curious to see their responses.
If you haven’t seen this already, you really need to…
Obama is Toast.
I can keep going if you want…or see if anyone else answers.
good point. One could argue Obama either believes the same things as Wright and Ayers, having known them for 20 years, or that he merely used them to get ahead without fulling agreeing with them.
To me, both are equally bad – I believe he agrees with them and that they helped shape his worldview.