Pray
I’ve felt a renewed purpose among the defenders of ordered liberty and limited government these last few days. I think the tide is turning, and if there were a few more days like we’ve had here lately I would be very confident that things would work out as I’d hoped.
I sure do wish the coal-plant audio had hit early last week. I wish the Palin exoneration had come sooner. I wish MKH’s video, the credit card story, Ayers’ relationship to Cuban Intelligence, the text of Ayers’ book, the Khalidi tape…well, we’ve tried. For good or ill, that part’s over. We’ve made our case. We’ve walked our routes and knocked on doors. We’ve given money. We’ve said our piece. To us is left only the simple duty of voting our conscience and remaining vigilant.
It is out of our hands now, but I do believe it is in someone else’s. And so there is still one more thing left to do.
Pray for our country. By God’s grace, we live in a Republic where we may govern ourselves. Pray God would guide us to do so wisely.
Here is the prayer for our country from the magnificent old 1928 Book of Common Prayer. While my private intercessions are a bit more…specific than this, these sentiments still ring true, across party lines, across the years, and across the issues:
ALMIGHTY God, who hast given us this good land for our heritage; We humbly beseech thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of thy favour and glad to do thy will. Bless our land with honourable industry, sound learning, and pure manners. Save us from violence, discord, and confusion; from pride and arrogancy, and from every evil way. Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people the multitudes brought hither out of many kindreds and tongues. Endue with the spirit of wisdom those to whom in thy Name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be justice and peace at home, and that, through obedience to thy law, we may show forth thy praise among the nations of the earth. In the time of prosperity, fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in thee to fail; all which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
Senator Obama vowed a few days ago that, if elected, he will “fundamentally transform” the United States of America. (Silly me, I thought he was supposed to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution, not remodel it.) And so he may get to change some laws. He’ll definitely try to take our money and our guns. His goons may break some heads and wreck some careers.
But that fundamental change he’s been waiting for is going to be harder than he realizes. He cannot break our spirits. He cannot fundamentally transform us from Americans into cosmopolitan “citizens of the world”. He can’t deface our pride, and his depredations will only make us cling even more joyfully to our faith. No matter who wins this election, on November 5th, and on January 20th, and every day thereafter we will still be free and emancipated citizens of the greatest nation on God’s earth. Obama and his judges cannot just decree us otherwise.
Not unless we let him. Not unless we give up and act like we’re whipped. Not unless we bow down.
I won’t bow down. Not to the Obamessiah. And I won’t change–or if I do, it certainly won’t be a change he directs, and it won’t be into his idea of what I ought to be.
But maybe that won’t even happen. I remember going to bed in November 2000 thinking the same sort of thing about the incipient presidency of Al Gore. And look how that worked out…
As I said, it is out of our hands. Remain vigilant. Do not bow down. Do not give up.
Pray.
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if scum like you take power, there is no doubt about atrocities taking place.
Don’t hurt yourself.
I’ve often pondered how a mass of people could fall for the smoothness of the antichrist, and this fascination over Obama proves the point.
Obama is NOT the antichrist, just a glimpse of how people will sheepishly accept such a person someday.
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
C-Dub, thanks for a great start to my day. I’ve got a lot of Obamessiah’s minions in my classes, even though they can’t vote. Their parents’ minds have been “changed.” The BCP reference was awesome, and it reminded me of an alarm that was raised in Tolkien’s The Lord of the Rings when the Shire was in danger:
“Fire! Foes! Awake!”
Somehow I hear the horns of Buckland rallying America. Vote and be heard. Pray and be heard better.
with Obama as Saruman..the smooth-tongued liar..
Those people who claim that Obama is Anti-Christ have done Christianity no favors. It could well be that God is arranging the pieces to usher in the end-times. All the governments of the world will play a part, either through direct or indirect involvement. The resurgence of Russia, the growing influence of China on world politics and the growth of radical Islam will lead to a world stage where Anti-Christ will be welcomed as a savior.
For an interesting perspective on current/future politics and the end times, I recommend the five Jon Bennett novels written by Joel Rosenberg, starting with The Last Jihad and ending with Dead Heat (a note to atheists: They are written by a Christian and represent his view of the end times, but are more “clinical” and grounded in current events than the “Left Behind” series). As Rosenberg writes in his notes in Dead Heat, “I did not write this book to predict exactly how such end times prophecies will come to pass. I wrote it to ask, What if?”
name names.
Farrakhan has pronounced him the messiah.
See-Dubya, so good to hear from you. Thank you for posting a thought which directs our focus the way it should be. And I will not bow down either. But I am praying.
name names.
F@r@kh@n has named him the messiah..
lets see if this posts…it won’t when I use spell the head of the black muslims name…
the Modern state of Israel starting up again in 1948 had to take place before we get our antichrist. Not saying BO is the antichrist, but the antichrist will have similar attraction from the world. BO may be a forerunner of the antichrist to come. Believe me the antichrist will be no friend of a republic type of government or Christians. Like the post says it is time to pray for this nation.
right4life, I was not necessarily referring to people on this thread. I have heard him referred to as the AC on talk shows and other boards. The people making these claims could well be plants, and are just saying this as a way of ridiculing Christians and making us look ridiculous.
Sorry for the confusion
Father, in the name of Jesus, we come to You right now asking for a miracle in this election. Lord, we lift up to You right now Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin. Lord, we ask that You would just wrap Your arms around them and their families at this critical time. Father, we ask for miracle upon miracle in this election. We know that only You can turn the tide of evil in this election. Father, as we await the final days of the election, we ask in complete faith that You would allow the truth to be known across this land.
Lord, we ask for forgiveness for putting You last…Father, please heal our land and homes, allow us to have another chance to love You the way you should be loved. Lord, we ask specifically for John and Sarah’s health, wisdom, words, actions and their campaign staff. Lord, we lift them all up to You now. Father, we also specifically ask for the voters in many states who are battleground states. Lord, please convict the hearts of voters in Florida, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Ohio, Missouri, North Dakota, Virginia, Nevada and Colorado .
Father we beg for every electoral vote. Lord, we lift all of our needs up to You now. In the name of Jesus we claim victory in Your name. Lord, we pray for Your will to be done in a mighty way…we know that this election can and will glorify You! Father, place the man you would have to lead our country in a Christian way on November 4. We love You, Lord. We await Your holy miracles…
In Jesus’ Name we pray, Amen.
Limited government is precisely why I am seriously considering a confidence vote for Bob Barr.
As far as this talk of end times, it is absurd and irresponsible; something I might expect from a vagrant with a sandwich board and not from serious or intelligent people.
A friend of mine just e-mailed me this quote:
Ecclesiastes 10:2
“A wise man’s heart inclines him to the right, but a fool’s heart to the left”. (ESV)
I believe that verse, like other verses in the Bible, can mean whatever you feel in your heart that it means. To me, I take it literally, as a stand-alone promise from God.
AMEN!
zeroangel, since you seem to be able to see into the future, you must be smarter than me. /sarc. Interesting words from a person voting for Bob Barr.
Why is it you come to a thread where Christians lift up their hope for God’s will to be done and His mercy on our nation and infer we are idiots? Have you no respect for the beliefs of others, or are we all to share your beliefs?
As far as this talk of end times, it is absurd and irresponsible; something I might expect from a vagrant with a sandwich board and not from serious or intelligent people.
You are aware you’re on the Malkin boards, right? This is COMMON talk here.
This place is super loopy!
Funny, I thought the votes weren’t counted until the polls closed. Has there already been a declared winner? Dumb post. Christians know that whoever wins the election is not the “chosen one”. That title does not belong to any human being.
That was the same attitude in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah…just going along their merry ways, ignoring those signboards, until…
How come Liberals make such a big deal out of our patriotic right to vote, then sneer at patriotism for the rest of the year? And PRAYER?? They can’t manage to pray even THAT often…
brushman:
The Christians I know are decent and intelligent people. They don’t talk about the Anti-Christ or end times (Republican or Democrat).
I am not ridiculing Christians I am ridiculing fundamentalists that talk about end-times (Christian, Muslim, or otherwise).
I don’t have respect for that kind of talk as it is irresponsible and absurd.
I am still considering my vote. I will not vote for Obama for various reasons chief among them being his lack of experience, fiscal policies, and defense stances.
Perhaps some of you here might have some ideas on why I should vote for McCain – Palin?
Sorry everyone, for replying to the trolls infesting this thread. Maybe we should form a support group and name it “Troll Feeders Anonymous” (TFA).
You know,
ME: “hi, my name is brushman, and I feed the trolls”
ALL” “hi, brushman”
It’s not end times, guys. It’s just your country, doing it’s American thing. A peaceful handover of power due to a democratic vote by the people. It’s a beautiful process.
It happens every four to eight years. No need to get so scared. You’re gonna be fine. And maybe, four to eight years from now, your guy will win.
zeroangel: So you’re saying I’m not a decent or intelligent person? I’m done with you.
Brushman:
I don’t know if you are a decent or intelligent person since I don’t know you personally. However, I do know that talk of end times is irresponsible and absurd.
Perhaps you are a decent and intelligent person that just happens to believe something irresponsible and absurd. No one is perfect.
don’t count your chickens yet.
Wow. There is a growing number of those denying end-time prophesy, and it’s just because it has not happened yet. That is the saddest part, given the Bible points to that coming event from Genesis to Revelation. End times is second in topic, only to Christ.
Christians understand this, and that is why we share this with others in whatever forum we can.
As far as those Christians who do not speak of such events, ask them and they will.
oh no, Zeroloser is here…taking time from his worship of his hairgod darwin to ‘grace’ us with his presence…
yeah and Ezekiel’s scenario is unfolding before our eyes…but let the scoffers scoff….they get to learn the hard way…
Talk about the end times is appropriate any time. It is part of the Christian belief system. Do we know when the end will come? Of course not! But the signs have been laid out for us in the Bible and those signs are clear. It is not irresponsible to discuss the subject. If you don’t like the subject, you really don’t have to be on this thread. And those of you who are mocking the Christians on this thread…I will pray for your soul, as I pray for anyone who has lost his/her way.
as many have learned speaking to lessthanzero truly is casting pearls before swine
There is no God, but if there was, he’d vote for Barack Obama.
Acts 4:
18Then they called them in again and commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. 19But Peter and John replied, “Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God’s sight to obey you rather than God. 20For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.”
the whole flock of swine is here!! SUEEEE
Jangar:
End times will occur in several billion years when the Sun explodes (assuming “we” haven’t moved).
Either that, or it will happen sometime in the not to far future when we blow ourselves up with nuclear weapons (or something like that).
The folks that push the buttons to launch said weapons will likely be irresponsible and absurd people that believe in end times.
In that respect, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is exactly why it is irresponsible and absurd.
happyscrapper:
And abandon the Republican party and the conservative right all together? Heaven forbid!
1. I hope you don’t apply that same standard to Job’s friends, for example.
2. This is the same as the oft quoted and misused Jeremiah 29:11, this promise was not a promise to you. The promise here was spoken to Solomon, in reference to the Israelites, upon completion of the Temple in Jerusalem after very specific circumstances. God said to Solomon, “When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command locusts to devour the land or send a plague among my people…” then the promise of 2 Chronicles 7:14 will apply. He also said in verse 15: “Now my eyes will be open and my ears attentive to the prayers offered in this place.” This place refers to the Temple that Solomon had just built. If you seek a promise meant for you, and all Christians for that matter, then there is some very low hanging fruit ready for the taking. 2 Timothy 3:12-13 says this: “In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.”
We can’t play “salad bar” Christianity by picking the promises we like or don’t like without concern for context and intended audience.
3. Truth is Truth, regardless of how you may feel in your heart about it.
No. And chosen by whom? Based upon Obama’s positions, and the fruit of his actions (or lack of fruit), I really wonder who has chosen him…
Besides, God disciplines those of us whom he loves. We have sinned against God as a nation for decades. We do not deserve his mercy. So, we pray his will… and that we will learn from it what we are supposed to. He is in control, and when things get tough, we turn to Him as we should have all along.
It is very difficult to even think about this entire mess without constanly wondering just what happened to this country and how someone like this man could have ever got as far as he has, especially so soon after 9-11.
He should not even be a Senator let alone this close to the Presidency.
What has become of my country and my countrymen? At what point dod so many become so greedy and so lay all at the same time? At what point did it turn? When did this nation lose it’s vision and become a nation of whiney little “Gimme Gimme” creatures who are only out for themselves and what they can rape off the Government?
50% of the country has gone this way. A full half of this Nation is looking for handouts, not hand-ups. A full half…maybe even more…of this Nation is now all about what the country can do for them.
Who do we look upon…the parents? No, as I know I did my best and instilled only the best in my step-son. I taught him to work hard. I demonstrated, not just lectured, that you work for what you get in this country and not rely on the Government. I lead by example, in everything I believe in.
Yet he went off to a known Liberal College in a known Uber-Liberal city.
I was given to feeling pride when yesterday he asked me for definitive reasons on why he should vote for either candidate. I presented him with damn-near a book of reasons. All factual. All verifiable.
I received my answer today, and I was just shocked and saddened.
I was tempted to ask, “Where did I go wrong?” but realized that I had not done anything wrong. It is that he has become the a-typical “College Know-It-All” and gave in to pure emotions rather than actual facts.
I can only hope that he will come to ralize the error of the thought process he is being taught and go from there.
Until then, Liberal Academia has claimed another brainwashing.
Yeah… me too. Just accidentally slips out all the time. Just rolls off my tongue. NOT!
I love the 1928 prayer. Somebody ought to send it to Rev. Wright’s church.
Most kids will wake up and come out of the fog. They rarely see the big picture at that age. not to mention that the world kids live in, even in college, is much like a cult. There’s a lot of pressure to not be considered an outsider.
When they get into the real world, they’ll see how ridiculous that vision is.
Be patient. What you imparted will sink in eventually.
#139
I applaud you for not ranting against “the hippies” once, retfireman. It took a lot of reserve to hold back like that, I’m sure.
This is a great country, despite what you “blame america first”-ers are saying. (Amazing the 180 you all take when it’s conveinient to your argument!)
Repeat after me…
Do not feed the trolls
Do not feed the trolls
Do not feed the trolls
Do not feed the trolls
Do not feed the trolls
Do not feed the trolls
if obama loses…tomorrow you’ll be parroting the talking points about how racist this country is.
Take your bigoted mind elsewhere.
From your mouth to God’s ear.
Whose interpretation of truth are you referring to? There are as many interpretations of the Bible as there are Biblical scholars. I find solace and comfort in the Bible. I don’t analyze it to death. Maybe I am just a simple person, but the Bible is precious to me. Those who want to analyze every verse, go ahead. I take God’s word as it works in my life. Anyway, I am not up for a deep theologial discussion today. We all worship God and use His word in our own way, thank God.
Thanks See-Dubya!!! (Thanks Michelle
)
I saw Cher on Ellen while channel surfing yesterday wearing a Ba Rack the Vote shirt. Then she gave a reason why she was voting for him…she believes he will unite this 8 year divided nation, and bring peace to the world, kumbiya, kumbiya…
heh…
By the way, Send_Me…I don’t appreciate getting a lecture on Christianity. At least, it sounded like a lecture to me. And a bit condescending. Sorry, but that is how I took it.
What i said was intended to mean that whichever idiot wins the election, that “change” is done by individuals. not by your government, not by Obama, not by McCain, and not by anyone else but the person bringing change about. Thanks for miscontruing that and turning it into an Obama plug, when clearly it was meant as something more.
Honestly, pushing the buttons of people on their religion here isnt helping your case…you seem to do alot of that. You know, not ever really doing anything other than being an annoyance and then wondering why people come at you the way they do.
Personally, i dont give a d@mn about religion. All this “God’s Will” stuff…guess what. If god exists, and he’s going to do his will…there isnt any amount of prayer that changes it. It’s “God’s Will”. I read one post here that questioned that about obama winning. while i hope he doesnt, the retort was “no, i wont accept him.”
Then that makes you a hypocrit. You ask for the will of some mystical being, and yet wouldnt follow it?
And people wonder why i dont believe.
God isnt deciding this election. The voters are. God isnt voting for obama, and i doubt any deity worth a crap wouldnt vote for either.
Honestly, i wanted to be positive in this thread, but the latent amount of religious BS is staggering. Whipping out bible verses and speaking about the will of something that doesnt clearly exist simply detracts from the *political* aspect of the site.
You guys are free to worship as you choose, and i would die to defend that and every other right you have as a CONSERVATIVE. But leave the holy rolling at the door. It only gives people like watershed a chance to sit and mock you when some of you reply.
*sigh*
Count me in on those that believe and those that pray.
Well said, abstractmind.
Me too Misscheryl. Sometimes it is the only thing that keeps me sane.
Makes you wonder why someone who does not pray would venture into a thread that clearly is titled PRAY.
1. You really should quote the whole text (you only quoted the first of the six verses): “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.”
2. So, if I’m understanding what you’re implying by referencing this text, then the Colonists were wrong to rebel against King George? Was Dietrich Bonheoffer wrong for plotting against Hitler? Were dissidents wrong for working against Stalin and a long line of despots? No, they were not. You forget a few things: 1) Yes, God tells us that we should respect authorities/rulers; however, God does specify the qualities of such offices. Rulers “should hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong.” A ruler should be “God’s servant to do you good.” Was Pharaoh good to the Hebrews? Did God not use him also for His own glory? The same goes for any despot. Also, God, while sovereign, does allow us to make mistakes, the consequences of which he makes us live. Hosea 8:4 states, “They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval. With their silver and gold they make idols for themselves to their own destruction.” We can choose a leader unwisely, just as they did in the day of Hosea, to our own destruction.
3. For those who think we live in a “Christian” nation, I ask you, how different are we from the Aztecs whom practiced human sacrifice, whom we consider barbaric? Tell me, how is abortion any different?
nlebou:
It is curiosity, among other things; like the fact that we are regulars on MM.
#151
You talk as if the religious endtimes (along with legions of hyperbolically paranoid Stalin/Hitler comparisons) posts were the exception. They are in fact, the rule.
It’s a sociological Star Wars bar in here. It’s scary wonderful.
But also, yes, *sigh*.
What i said was intended to mean that whichever idiot wins the election, that “change” is done by individuals
Again, exactly why Obama is winning, landslide style.
Ain’t that something…I didn’t realize that we were blaming America for anything. Seems to me we are the ones who declare the wonders and strengths of America, unlike each and every Liberal in it who only whine about it’s faults and how evil we are in the world. It is amazing the confusion those people find themselves in when they attempt to keep their rhettoric straight.
I apologize if I sounded condescending. That was not my intent.
#151
You know though, abstract, you are one of the most clear-headed posters here, and that does account for something. Good show.
Let’s terrorist fist jab on it! (holds out fist)
Regardless of who wins, can we just stop with all the hate? We’re all passionate about our politics on the right and the left, and rightly so, but I truly pray that whether the winner is Obama or McCain, this country can begin to tone down the rhetoric, stop the shrieking, and start solving problems like gentlemen and gentlewomen. I’d like to see us act like Americans again, and not just Dems or Reps. While I am a staunch supporter of Sen. McCain, if Obama wins I refuse to be a bombthrower. I’ll certainly make my voice heard when he and the administration does something insane (coal production, Fairness Act, abortion mills), but I’m not going to spend the next four years of my life filled with hatred and rage. Am I wrong about this?
If only more people understood this.
As a Christian who loves the Lord and His Word, I must say, you are starting to creep me out. Perhaps you are an intellectual Biblical scholar, but your sermons are not really necessary here and are way too long.
This is the second time i have to say this. my children respond faster than they’re likely half your age, at the very least.
Individuals changing has nothing to do with an election process. I’ll leave my posts as they were before. If you can’t process them, then i wont waste anymore time on something deeper than you’re willing to see.
And save your fist bumps.
You can be clearheaded, but you choose the lower road, watershed. I still sometimes wonder why. You’re smarter than that.
My original post speaks for itself. and Zero is right…as regulars, etc…well, isnt it why we’re here?
RetFireman, you actively HATE, with a true and “fiery” passion (haha), far FAR more people in this country than you like. And you actively despise your soon to be current govt, and talk about armed rebellion openly.
I would say that’s some serious William Ayers style patriotism!
RetFireman, I share your thoughts of USA, they parallel mine over the last many months. And, we, too, are parents of adult sons. We have modeled and shared, directed, instructed. Once adults, they must make their own decisions, good, bad or ugly. We do what we can, and continue to pray for them, believing that God’s will for them will prevail, rather than the societal “common-think”. Yes, it makes for much anxiety, often. But, as the theme has been often spoken here by Michelle and countless others, as Winston Churchill is often quoted, “never, never, never give up”. We can’t. Trust Him.
It would be nice to be able to be nice to liberals and sing that kumbaya song with them. Unfortunately, that is what got us into this mess. We sat by (you know, that silent majority thing?) and let this happen because we didn’t want to come across as mean, or racist, or politically incorrect. So, they stomped all over us. And now, we have to fight. Sorry, I can’t give in and be nice to people who want to destroy my country.
No NavyMom, are not wrong. We will continue to watch whomever is elected and we will continue to pray.
well said, Navymom. I agree 100%
Attract more with honey than vinegar, as grandma always says.
I just voted for Obama.
You guys get right to work revising history, don’t you?
Yeah, I wouldn’t want to take responsibility for George Bush, either.
watershed:
Haha. Awesome, that did make me chuckle. Good show.
NavyMom in #162:
You are right, well said. If I honestly bought in to some of the rhetoric here I would be sharpening knives and stockpiling weapons. I might not like the radical left, and I may disagree with Democrats on several issues (and agree on others), but I am far from open rebellion, very far indeed.
Actually…she (presuming, of course), was right on target. what was being said is pretty much the way it was. I’m not sure about your revision claims, but…thats not the case here.
I could finger point about Democratic revisions…but it would be redundant and obvious at this point
#165
Individuals changing has nothing to do with an election process.
Millions of individuals, hopeful for a change, a transformation, who stand in line for 8 hours and more to vote, when they may never have don so before has EVERYTHING to do with the election process. I dont have to read your posts again.
And I choose to joyfully gloat and tease in here because this group is the farthest “right” (if that even explains the views in here, I personally think Malkinworld is a new territory) I can find on the internet. The fringiest fringe. Complete fundamentalists, in every way. In fact, parallels of middle eastern fundamentalism abound here- anti-science, anti-education, xenophobia, racism, homphobia, an unerring dedication to a destructive apocalyptic religious mindset, and an absolute fetishy LUST for violence.
So when Obama the BLACK DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT comes to win by a landslide, I (admittedly perversely, yes) enjoy watching the fits and throws of the group that would have this country be an medieval wasteland get dragged into the FUTURE.
(Oh, and abstract, don’t worry. I am gone again soon after the election. All good things must come to an end. Fear not, brother. Fist bump!)
I’ve prayed for weeks now not to let our country fall into the hands of those who would wish to do us harm. Because that’s what Obama and his ilk will do – tremendous harm to our country.
My inspiration came to me on Saturday, when I was driving down the George Washington Parkway in Virginia, right in front of Mount Vernon, George Washington’s home. In the traffic circle in front of Mount Vernon, one man stood, holding a homemade McCain sign. It hit me in the gut and brought tears to my eyes. This was his stand for his country. His way of supporting his candidate and doing his part for his country. I want that man’s effot to be FOR something, not in vain. He is what is great about America.
God Bless America.
This thread has gone completely over to the dark side. And to think it started out as a very inspirational thread about prayer and goodness. We forgot to put on our garlic necklaces and now the trolls have prevailed. Over and out.
Navymom, no, you aren’t wrong, you’re a good person and decent American. I just wonder why you would frequent the Malkin board if you don’t like hate? It’s the woman’s stock in trade.
I sleep with earplugs and the pounding rain still woke me at 6 a.m., here in Richmond, Va.! I was hoping it would be a bit colder than 61, though.
My neighbors, in their 60s, called to thank me to tell them about (absentee) voting last week (they vote Rep., of course) since today is such a mess!
you know whats funny waterboy is that all us uneducated evilracisthomophobicsexistbigoted yahoos make you look stupid on the regular?
how does it feel?
That’s the key point right there.
The socialists/statists aren’t simply rooting for the Packers instead of the Dolphins;
they’re not simply going to change the color of the mopboard molding from walnut to mahogany;
they’re not simply going to wear three-button instead of two-button sportjackets.
Their aim is to fundamentally change, to transform, our society/nation/culture;
to fundamentally change, affect, and dictate how we exist, live our lives, work, and interact with one another on Earth.
They are of the opposite worldview from that of most (?all?) of us here (except, of course, our trusty trolls)- different not simply to a great degree, which would still be a quantitative, if difficult to recognize and accept, difference;
their worldview is different in kind – qualitative – with which there is not, nor can there ever be, any accomodation or middle ground.
There would be middle ground if both worldviews believed that the individual comes first as the unit of society and government; and that the question to be decided – i.e., the difference between the “parties” – were merely what kind of small role government should play to keep us civilized, and to protect us physically;
but, that’s not the question.
The question before us is whether, or not, the all-powerful state, directed by an arrogant, dangerous, elite few, should control virtually every aspect of our lives.
If anyone can enlighten us as to where the middle ground is between “whether” and “or not”, I, and I’d wager a lot of us here, would welcome a sincere explanation.
there is no middle ground. one side will win or lose…we will either have a free country or a socialist/marxist state…where are forced to behave, for our own good.
watershed in #175:
I can’t say I disagree with you completely at this point.
I was turned out to MM’s site years ago when I was still in the Army. I have always been something of a fiscal conservative, pro-defense type, as well as being social liberal. As a result, I have generally voted Republican. I also often liked reading MM’s take on things as she presents a different side.
However, lately it seems the Republican Party is pandering more and more to the far-right fringe; some of commenters on this board represent the targeted demographic. Many conservative personalities have also gone this route (Ann Coulter comes to mind, with her book “Godless”).
As a result, it leaves the sane Republicans frustrated and confused. I imagine pro-defense, or fiscally-conservative, or pro-border enforcement democrats might be equally frustrated with their party.
So it goes with a two-party system. As it was pointed out before: (here or another thread?) if you look on a far-left website you will find equally (perhaps even worse) hateful rhetoric (slandering our troops, complete and utter disrespect for Christians while giving Muslims a pass in the name of political correctness, etc.)
I don’t want Obama to win because I don’t think he is qualified, (4 years in the senate, half of which was spent campaigning) however, the alternative doesn’t excite me so much either.
That is merely your narrow minded view.
I hat no one. If you knew anything, you would know that hate is not only a very powerful word, but an even more powerful emotion that eats you up inside.
You ahve a great deal of growing up to do, regardless of your age, and your writings only lend credence to your immaturity.
Only someone of your beliefs could possibly think to know what is in the hearts of others.
Exactly….
Sort of off topic, but I can’t resist, and it’s kind of related.
I think the Episcopalian Church started its decline when they “updated” the 1928 BCP. (Although the change was a symptom of the reasons for, not a cause of, the decline.) Thanks for quoting from it, See-Dubya. And thanks for the post.
Well said.
My response to others’ input: I said nothing in my initial comment about “giving in”. If you re-read it, I said that I will continue to voice my opposition should Obama (if he wins) proceed with his radical leftist ideology, but I REFUSE to belittle myself and dishonor God through sheer hatred. Enough of the hate already. I have no intention of singing Kumbaya and “making nice”. I do intend, however, to remember I am an adult and will act accordingly even when I disagree with the decisions emanating from the Oval Office.
One church hasn’t changed anything in 2000 years of Christianity. They’re dogma, statutes remain the same as does the parish life.
http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/
So tell us…when have you ever gone out of your way for your fellow man? When have you ever sacrificed yourself for the good of someone else? When have you EVER put someone else ahead of your own self-interests and person?
When you can answer that honestly with more than even one time, maybe i will talk to you again. Until then, your are nothing more than a scared little boy, parroting those that tell you what to think and say.
zeroangle, #184, I agree with you pretty much completely (I don’t agree at first reading with your 3rd paragraph “However….”). I, too, dislike the personal attack nature that have been posted the last few weeks: it has taken away my enjoyment of reading the comments. So long as we all stick to issues, the discussions–including disagreements–are interesting and useful. I hope after this week we can all go back to that–lgm, Rusty, watershed, and others who disagree with the majority of us actually have brought up some good points in their postings, even if they don’t always argue fairly.
Misscheryl, …you’re correct!
Granite – YOu too???
Big smile on my face.
You betchya!
You ever notice that all we have to do is put a religion-related headline on a thread, and the anti-Christians/soft-Christians/”New” Christians decend like ants to a coolaid spill, running down all who see diffently than they?
I am LDS. My people had an execution order where it was legal to kill, on sight, a member of my Church. It was signed in Missori and not recinded until the 1990s (don’t have the link here, its in the state archives, and its been posted on MM’s site before… google it).
That said: I’ve never, ever told another Christian to STFUSD, even as they spewed their hate at me. The “Christian” flavors mentioned above do it all the time. Thousands of anti-LDS sites. No LDS member-in-good-standing would put a similar site up — their membership would be suspended, as happened when some members in the 70s wrote anti-Catholic tracts, said they were the official church viewpoint and refused to retract them.
The Spirit of Contention is not of me, sayeth the Lord, but of the Adversary. (paraphrase, its been a while since I’ve read it…)
So, you people running down those “End Times”-ers, how do you know? People in Cuba NEVER thought it would become red. People never thought the Nazi would take France, or that they’d turn on Old Joe. They’ll NEVER confinscate people’s gold and make ownership illegal! They’ll never make private ownership of gold legal again. Our financial structure/system would never NEVER rush at socialism!
If anything, it seems the “never can/never will/impossible” people just show their own shallow minds when they prognosticate about something of which they know nothing.
[aside]
I’ve never noticed a problem in the past w/people posting Fairy-Con’s name. Maybe the naughty-word filter’s been updated to be PC…
To everyone answering the trolls and allowing them to hijack this thread, read this:
Proverbs 26:4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you will be like him yourself.
Well, this was a nice thread, until people started answering the trolls…
The trolls win again.
they’ve lost their souls, so any other win is meaningless.
The trolls have not won. I can pray anywhere.