The McCain campaign’s classless cowards; Update: Palin reacts

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 5, 2008 10:29 PM

Scroll down for updates…1:29am Eastern Palin holds press conference in Anchorage after arriving late on her flight from Arizona…refuses to comment on gossip spread by unnamed sources and “small, bitter” people saying “foolish things”…on relationship with McCain: No tension. “I love him…I honor him”…jokes that charges that she was “going rogue” referred to her sneaking in return phone calls to reporters…(vid at Hot Air)


Photoshop: David Lunde

The anonymous trashing of Sarah Palin by blabbermouth McCain aides who are leaking to Fox News is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

Allah’s got the vid clip of a report citing unnamed McCain staffers accusing Palin of lacking, in Carl Cameron’s words, “knowledgeability.” More slime here. And here.

At least all the Hollywood and Manhattan Palin-haters were willing to sign their names and put their faces on their attacks.

Let’s assume the rumor-mongers are telling the truth for a moment. Who does it damn more: Sarah Palin or McCain and his vetters who green-lighted her for the vice presidential nomination? Don’t need an Ivy League degree to figure that one out.

Sarah Palin worked her heart out. She energized tens of thousands to come out who would have otherwise stayed home. She touched countless families. I didn’t agree with everything she said on the campaign trail. But two fundamental conservative stands she took mattered greatly to me: She vigorously defended the Second Amendment and the sanctity of life more eloquently in practice than any of the educated conservative aristocracy.

And she did it all with a tirelessness and infectious optimism that defied the shameless, bottomless attempts by elites in both parties to bring her and her family down.

Shame on the smearers who don’t have the balls to show their faces.

Thank you, Sarah Palin. Thank you for stepping up the plate and serving your country.

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More: Ace of Spades is %^&* spitting mad.

Here’s a story these staffers tell: Sent to collect Palin from a hotel, she greeted them, straight from the shower (running late, I guess ) dressed (scandal!) only in a bathrobe (presumably a very thick hotel bathrobe).

These staffers called that “uncommon” — Cameron delighted in the word to give it the sound of “whorish, unprofessional.”

Heh, assholes? She had to open the door and had just gotten out of the shower. Did you want her to use her magical powers of telekinesis to open the door for you?

So is RedState, which announces an accountability project.

I wonder if the delicate McCain staffers upset at seeing Palin in bathrobe/towel were as aghast at the photos on Meghan McCain’s blog of Cindy McCain in her – gasp! – bathrobe.

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And now, this:

Randy Scheunemann, a senior foreign policy adviser to John McCain, was fired from the Arizona senator’s campaign last week for what one aide called “trashing” the campaign staff, three senior McCain advisers tell CNN.

One of the aides tells CNN that campaign manager Rick Davis fired Scheunemann after determining that he had been in direct contact with journalists spreading “disinformation” about campaign aides, including Nicolle Wallace and other officials.

“He was positioning himself with Palin at the expense of John McCain’s campaign message,” said one of the aides.

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Update: 1:34am Eastern. Palin arrives in Anchorage after a long trip home from Alaska. She holds a press conference. Refuses to comment on gossip spread by unnamed sources and “small, bitter” people saying “foolish things”…on relationship with McCain: No tension. “I love him…I honor him.”

Responding to a question on whether she has any “hurt feelings,” Palin laughs cheerfully. “This is politics! Of course not. It’s rough and tumble and you’ve got to have a thick skin just like I’ve got.”

Palin expresses “disappointment in the media — don’t take it personally.”

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  1. #501
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, rightisright said:

    Thanks, BlameAmericaLast, I’ll wait till someones sells hats, if the ‘ONE’ approves of such commercial interests taking place in America now.

  2. #502
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Watercloset is gone.

    And there was much rejoicing!

  3. #503
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, clevergael said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 12:27 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    No, we just need to CLEAN HOUSE. Big time. Get these idiots who claim to be “running” the GOP party OUT. OUT NOW.

    Alright then. A real effort needs to be made just to DO THAT! New grassroot leaders have to be found to replace the blue blood country-club elitists who insist the GOP become “Democrat Lite”.

    As someone who has participated in trying to “clean house” at the local level, I can tell you that the blue-bloods are entrenched at every level. Go to a local county central committee meeting and start talking about first principles and you will get (in some cases) a collective jaw-dropped stare, and some wealthy, high-powered attorney asking you how you got there.

    This is why I’ve wanted to talk to Sarah since she came to the national stage. How did she do it? How did she break the bonds of control the Good-ol-boy network had in Alaska? Obviously, Alaskans took her far more seriously than the media does…how did she get their attention? How did she get her point to be well-taken and considered? Her success in doing that is WHY she is the new leader of the conservative movement. She should teach the rest of us how she did it.

    I also have to point out that Sarah is being excoriated not only because she is conservative, but because she is a conservative WOMAN. She lives what she believes in a very public manner, so these sniveling inside-the-beltway campaign aides can’t help but try to destroy her. As I told Dr. Bennett this morning (on his radio show), Nicole Wallace should never work on a Republican campaign again.

    Just an aside, but a point to be considered in the way the media has treated her: Black men received the Constitutional right to vote in 1870.
    WOMEN did not attain that right until 1920. While overt sexism has been to a large measure overcome, one could argue that there remains an undercurrent of hostile treatment towards strong, principled women…and an unwillingness to take them seriously if they are attractive.

    Just a thought. I’m sure you all will have other ideas to share. ;)

  4. #504
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:33 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Watercloset is gone.

    But not forgotten

    ::sniffle:: (i miss him….)

  5. #505
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:35 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:31 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    McCain learned these lessons late and hard. He should have listened to people sooner.

    He didn’t learn a thing.

    Disgusting that he hasn’t stepped up to defend Palin and has let the story go on as long as it has… it is tacit approval of the smearing.

  6. #506
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:36 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    One thing to remember is that historically, parties don’t win the White House three terms in a row. Reagan/Bush was the exception and not the rule. Go back and look at past elections. And the way the GOP governed from 2000 to 2008 gave lots of people reason to think.

    I guess some people prefer to be governed by real communists rather than Republicans acting like socialists.

    Do you think the RNC is even considering this right now or are they looking for their next “socialist lite” candidate?

  7. #507
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:37 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:32 pm, clevergael said:

    Go to a local county central committee meeting and start talking about first principles and you will get (in some cases) a collective jaw-dropped stare, and some wealthy, high-powered attorney asking you how you got there.

    I am about to start getting “in there” myself. I plan on bringing other people of like mind with me and take over the place.

  8. #508
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:36 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Do you think the RNC is even considering this right now or are they looking for their next “socialist lite” candidate?

    They don’t know what the term socialist lite means, so how could they possibly avoid being it?

  9. #509
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:38 pm, Misscheryl said:

    My daughter just called me re: the election. This is her first election as a young adult. She said “maybe I was too young to remember, but is it normal for a campaign to say such awful things about their own candidate?” I told her it didn’t used to be normal, but it seems that anything goes anymore. Gone is respect, loyalty and thankfulness.

  10. #510
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, HomeoftheBrave said:

    Sarah, er, Governor Palin… if you’re reading this, my official letter is on its way to you. May God bless you and keep you and your family safe and healthy. You are a bright shining light of what is RIGHT with our country. I would work with you any time!!!

  11. #511
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, sbw999 said:

    Palin is a Reagan conservative. McFraud and his followers are neo cons and RINO’s. That is what is behind this.

    What these moronic aides dont realize is that by attacking Palin, they are indirectly attacking their ex-boss McCain. This is so non-Republican.

  12. #512
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:40 pm, BobonStatenIsland said:

    I believe that the reason the McCain Camp is attacking Palin is to silence her. She can probably prove that McCain NEVER INTENDED TO WIN against a black opponent. The Fox News reporter immediately after McCain’s consession speech claimed that he had heard McCain thought that Obama SHOULD win because he was black (my jaw dropped).
    By severely attacking Palin, this dissarms her and puts her on the defensive. She was on the inside and knows too much.
    Let’s ponder this….hasn’t McCain been proposed by Obama to be his liason in the Senate? Doesn’t that reek of a “DEAL” made during the race?

  13. #513
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:41 pm, rightisright said:

    McCain can’t wait to get back to congress and start stabbing what ever conservatives senators are left.

  14. #514
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:43 pm, mom2jack said:

    The Fox News reporter immediately after McCain’s consession speech claimed that he had heard McCain thought that Obama SHOULD win because he was black (my jaw dropped).

    I heard that exact same thing and my jaw hit the floor alongside yours.

  15. #515
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:44 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    They don’t know what the term socialist lite means, so how could they possibly avoid being it

    I think the GOP leadership believes socialist = socialite = socialize = invitations to Washington D.C. coctail parties and dinners = can’t miss out on the cool conversation with the “IN” crowd, drinks, and food, = appearances on “Meet the Press”, etc.:)

  16. #516
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:47 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    I just checked Google for “Sarah Palin 2012 t shirts” and a huge list of vendors came up.

    She’s big folks…

  17. #517
    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:54 pm, blue-eyed-devil said:

    Jeez,

    What an embarrasing story. Why in the heck would some so-called ‘un-named’ staffers be so classless? Very sad.

    Shame on you.

  18. #518
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, By Choice said:

    The slams against Sarah Palin are appalling!! Where is John McCains magnanamousness for her that he had when Obama got deserved smears???

    Having had McCain as my Senator for 20+ years I can tell you that it is him that is totally behind all this crap. He will NEVER ADMIT that he could possibly be wrong about anything. He is the one orchestrating the smears to justify HIS loss—AGAIN!!!

  19. #519
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:02 pm, John Deaux said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Watercloset is gone.

    I missed this. What happened?

    Sometimes with this blog layout it’s hard to keep up with things.

  20. #520
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:04 pm, Misscheryl said:

    John – he sorta wore out his/her welcome

  21. #521
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, b-cat said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:01 pm, By Choice said:

    Yeah, I believe that.

  22. #522
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:05 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Many here may not know who Peggy Noonan or some of the other political intellectual elites are, but they play a part in any strong, healthy party.

    Yes, but the work needs to be done in the years before election year. When your VP candidate is picked is waaaay too late to have a public opinion that goes against the party. If she still thinks she has anything to bring to the party, maybe getting off her butt and spending time with Palin in Alaska could help both of them. Now is the time for Palin or Jindal or Hunter or whoever to meet and greet and make local appearances, build bases, build a philosophical position, whatever. Palin is a rock star, and if Noonan thinks she isn’t qualified yet, maybe she can help her out, but slamming her publicly in the home stretch is stupid. Are you listening Noonan?

  23. #523
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, MtsEdge said:

    Any conservative/Republican who was not immediately fawning over the Palin pick was summarily derided and dismissed as a traitor/RINO/Georgetown cocktail party crowd.

    They were alienated. And I think it was a real eye opener for many of them with respect to the direction the party has taken of late.

    Chap, sometimes it’s really hard to converse with you. This is beyond the pale. Sarah is the conservative, what the Republican party ONCE stood for. The RINOS/elitists and their ilk are DEMS in R clothing. Please stop this nonsense about “alienating” the elitists. By definition, they are the alienators.

  24. #524
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:06 pm, sonofdy said:

    I thought of a new nickname for Obama, possiably racist and maybe offensive, Oama the slave master.

    thoughts?

  25. #525
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:07 pm, lottadawg said:

    Very few people can be said to be as bad as absolute coward. The leaker(s) of information trashing Sarah Palin are truly in the absolute ass category.
    The Blue Blood Repubes of Wash. and Lib huggers in the party should be thankful she was there. I got some conservative representation from the campaign because of her and she being the only one with the guts to fight back. I thank you Governor. Get a handle on this GOP. I had a hard enough time as it were to help you this time. As a full time conservative I am waiting for you to come back to me the next time.

  26. #526
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    I missed this. What happened?

    Sometimes with this blog layout it’s hard to keep up with things.

    He had a flippant racist comment and then he was gone.

  27. #527
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:13 pm, MtsEdge said:

    I would like her to have a chance to get in the mud and develop her “chops”.

    SoCal, where are you coming from? I think she has done quite well in taking on the establishment in the Repub party in AK, the big oil execs, and other detrimental elements who have been entrenched for years. What “chops” has she not developed enough for you?

  28. #528
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:16 pm, chapoutier said:

    Chap, sometimes it’s really hard to converse with you. This is beyond the pale.

    I think you need to temper your definition of “beyond the pale.”

    And there is a difference between “elites” and “elitists”.

    The Bush family, for example, are elites.

    And the proper definition of elitist is not “anyone who dare speak ill of Palin.”

    but slamming her publicly in the home stretch is stupid. Are you listening Noonan?

    Stupid how? If this is what she truly felt about Palin, why should she not say it? She should put rank partisanship above her own intellectual honesty? Maybe stupid in the sense that she threatens her standing in the Republican Party, but for all the grief thrown her way, I’m not so sure she considers that a bad thing anymore.

  29. #529
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:18 pm, SoCal said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:13 pm, MtsEdge said:

    I would like her to have a chance to get in the mud and develop her “chops”.

    SoCal, where are you coming from? I think she has done quite well in taking on the establishment in the Repub party in AK, the big oil execs, and other detrimental elements who have been entrenched for years. What “chops” has she not developed enough for you?

    I just think outside of desperate conservatives she doesn’t have the gravitas to be taken seriously. I don’t think she has a chance hanging out in Alaska. We will never hear about her, she won’t be doing anything of importance for the rest of the country, she won’t be in the national news… if she was in Washington, she would be involved in high-profile politics, she would be learning the people and the game, and she would be in the news…

  30. #530
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:20 pm, Member-VRWC said:

    I voted for Sarah Palin last Friday. That’s Sarah Palin, not John McCain.

    I don’t think I’m alone in doing that.

    My guess is McCain would have received several million less votes if Sarah had not been on the ticket. Instead of losing by 5 million the difference could easily have been more than double that, putting McCain into “loser by a landslide” territory.

    So, to the McCain staff that think Sarah was a disappointment … Kiss my a$$.

  31. #531
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:21 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    As I told Dr. Bennett this morning (on his radio show), Nicole Wallace should never work on a Republican campaign again.

    I don’t think anyone will be asking for her resume anytime soon considering her insubordination to her employer.

  32. #532
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:22 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    She should put rank partisanship above her own intellectual honesty?

    More like intellectual bankruptcy.

  33. #533
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:23 pm, MtsEdge said:

    And there is a difference between “elites” and “elitists”.

    The Bush family, for example, are elites.

    And the proper definition of elitist is not “anyone who dare speak ill of Palin.”

    There is a distinct difference between advice and condemnation. And to me the “elites” and “elitists” of the R party both offered the latter, rather than the former. So, to me, there is no substantive difference between “elite” and “elitist” in the R party.

  34. #534
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:24 pm, sonofdy said:

    Palin is toast. She is a good woman completely destroyed by the media and the washington DC elites. It is a shame, but there you go.

  35. #535
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, chapoutier said:

    There is a distinct difference between advice and condemnation.

    Wait…Is Peggy Noonan supposed to be a reporter/commentator or Dear Abby?

  36. #536
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, single stack said:

    The people trashing Sarah are the same fools who have nearly destroyed the Republican party and made possible the rise of the socialists.

  37. #537
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, MtsEdge said:

    We will never hear about her, she won’t be doing anything of importance for the rest of the country, she won’t be in the national news… if she was in Washington, she would be involved in high-profile politics, she would be learning the people and the game, and she would be in the news…

    SoCal, I beg to differ. Her involvement in energy issues as Governor of Alaska is going to continue to be big news, and her accomplishments will continue to accumulate. I disagree with the “gravitas” being earned(?) in DC. That’s the old way.

    We hear an awful lot about Jindal and he isn’t working in Washington. In fact, he stayed home from the Repub Convention during the hurricane and tended to his state’s affairs, and it was national news.

  38. #538
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:29 pm, MtsEdge said:

    Wait…Is Peggy Noonan supposed to be a reporter/commentator or Dear Abby?

    Cute line. You give advice to your colleagues, condemnation to your opponents. You should know that, being a lawyer and all.

  39. #539
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, sandyb said:

    Misscheryl said:
    Another true conservative would be Inhofe (he’s not interested) or Coburn (he’s not interested). It seems as though, those at the bottom of the barrel are the only ones interested. If someone has anything on the ball, they say forget it.

    Maybe these guys would consider being on an anti-commie advisory board (if you heard Rush today, we better get some strategy now) or devise strategy for the new RNC? Don’t forget about DeMint, Pence, Santorum and Duncan Hunter.

    There are some blood-chilling times coming. We need the best minds we can get — don’t forget about Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell, too, for advice in combatting econ matters as well as all the Alinsky policies The One has in mind in his first 100 days.

  40. #540
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    Cute line. You give advice to your colleagues, condemnation to your opponents. You should know that, being a lawyer and all.

    So again, her actual opinion of Palin should make absolutely no difference in what she says. She must simply toe the line and smile, right? I guess you are only against media sycophants when they are for Obama.

  41. #541
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, SoCal said:

    SoCal, I beg to differ. Her involvement in energy issues as Governor of Alaska is going to continue to be big news, and her accomplishments will continue to accumulate. I disagree with the “gravitas” being earned(?) in DC. That’s the old way.

    We hear an awful lot about Jindal and he isn’t working in Washington. In fact, he stayed home from the Repub Convention during the hurricane and tended to his state’s affairs, and it was national news.

    maybe… I just don’t think she is all that… I was DESPERATE to find any reason to vote for McAmnesty, and I went in her direction. But I am really not that impressed by her skills or leadership. I wouldn’t follow her into the gates of hell, if you know what I mean… I guess we will see. But if she is the best that we can put up as a leader… I am not confident.

  42. #542
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Stupid how? If this is what she truly felt about Palin, why should she not say it? She should put rank partisanship above her own intellectual honesty? Maybe stupid in the sense that she threatens her standing in the Republican Party, but for all the grief thrown her way, I’m not so sure she considers that a bad thing anymore.

    Stupid because winning matters. As in say – SCOTUS nominees that you believe in even if you don’t believe in the veep. If she cares about the principles of the party she represents, she should help get that party in power to maximize the possibilities of getting those principles instantiated.

  43. #543
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:37 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    If “gravitas” was an issue, then how did Jindal get elected? He is young too.

  44. #544
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, MtsEdge said:

    So again, her actual opinion of Palin should make absolutely no difference in what she says. She must simply toe the line and smile, right? I guess you are only against media sycophants when they are for Obama.

    I think she should at least meet the woman, talk with her, and share some of her own wisdom gleaned from her many years as an insider, if that would be of value to Palin. You know, act more like a professional colleague, and less like a high schooler. You seem to want to label Palin supporters as “sycophants” but reserve great respect for those who would unjustly persecute her in the name of “professional integrity.” Then again, you’re a lib, so we’re already on different sides of this issue right from the start.

  45. #545
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, chapoutier said:

    Stupid because winning matters. As in say – SCOTUS nominees that you believe in even if you don’t believe in the veep. If she cares about the principles of the party she represents, she should help get that party in power to maximize the possibilities of getting those principles instantiated.

    Not that I am comparing myself to Noonan, but come on…how many liberals here took heat because they were accused (wrongly or rightly) of just being lap dogs for Obama and never criticizing anything he did or said? Isn’t this what you are asking Noonan to do?

    Do you think MM was wrong to constantly harp on McCain’s amnesty position, or his vote on the bailout?

  46. #546
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    I think going forward, Palin would be a good one to use for fund raising events. It would definitely draw people, plus raise her profile.

  47. #547
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    So again, her actual opinion of Palin should make absolutely no difference in what she says. She must simply toe the line and smile, right? I guess you are only against media sycophants when they are for Obama.

    Peggy Noonan can have any opinion she wants.

    Obviously, her dislike of Palin doesn’t mean that she’s a fifth-columnist RINO-loving socialist-collectivist scumbag who helped a Marxist get elected and therefore contributed to the decline of western civilization, all the while mewwing “mmmm” while giving Lewinskis to George Stepha-oompa-loompa.

    But that’s exactly what she is.

  48. #548
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:39 pm, FilmLadd said:

    Was I too harsh there? Sorry.

  49. #549
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, Dimsdale said:

    Gutless toadies looking for a scapegoat for their ineptitude.

    Palin is great!!

  50. #550
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:41 pm, MtsEdge said:

    I am not confident.

    SoCal, fair enough. Perhaps I am more confident than you. I think she will hone her skills and strengthen her support as she continues her work for the people of Alaska. Reagan didn’t make it the first time he tried, either.

  51. #551
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:43 pm, chapoutier said:

    You know, act more like a professional colleague, and less like a high schooler.

    Noonan is not Palin’s collague. She is a member of the media and Palin is a politician.

    You seem to want to label Palin supporters as “sycophants” but reserve great respect for those who would unjustly persecute her in the name of “professional integrity.

    I never said Palin supporters were sycophants. I said anyone who actually believes Palin was a bad pick, but won’t say so based on pure party loyalty is.

  52. #552
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm, chapoutier said:

    Was I too harsh there? Sorry.

    Not at all. Tell us how you really feel.

  53. #553
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm, SoCal said:

    I think she will hone her skills

    That is what she needs to do… I like her, I hope she succeeds.

  54. #554
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:46 pm, MtsEdge said:

    Noonan is not Palin’s collague.

    She is supposed to be on the same ideological page as Palin. If there are differences, she should discuss them with Palin (at least meet her, for cryin’ out loud), rather than fawn all over Palin’s ideological opponents as she scratches her claws.

    I said anyone who actually believes Palin was a bad pick

    Facts don’t lie. There may be some who “believe” Palin was a bad pick, but true conservatives by and large, don’t. The money, the polls, the crowds, the evidence is in favor of Palin being a GOOD pick who was squandered. Again, as a lawyer, you are trained to look at the evidence, not hearsay.

  55. #555
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    What amazes me is why all the vitriol about her now? She was elected as governor of Alaska 2 years ago, and NOW they have an issue with her and her “experience”? And NOW they have problem with her leadership skills?

    Where was all the outcry then? Look at what she accomplished in Alaska by getting elected in the first place. Where was the media then?

    This whole election was a media-driven spectacle. The MSM was fawning over Obama, never questioning anything in his life, never asking for college papers, transcripts, etc. But Palin comes on the stage, and does everyone do? They send an army up to Anchorage to dig up as much dirt on this woman as possible. The only thing Obama did right was to tell the media to STFU when it came to Palin’s daughter having a baby at 18 by coming out and saying his mother had done the same.

    Other than that, the cover stories of her on InTouch, the catty women talking about her hair, makeup and glasses, etc. It was despicable and petty.

    Obama didn’t get anywhere near the rabid treatment Palin got. But then again, they do hold her to a different standard.

  56. #556
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:49 pm, sandyb said:

    They don’t have the ego, they don’t have the thirst for power over people.

    Some of these people don’t have the stomach and don’t want the aggravation. Yes, it’s their choice in this (still) free Republic. But when our entire way of life is on the line, those with the know-how and wherewithall to guide us but choose not to, are traitors.

  57. #557
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:52 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm, chapoutier said:

    Was I too harsh there? Sorry.

    Not at all. Tell us how you really feel.

    Sometimes I feel so reticent to open up.

  58. #558
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:53 pm, chapoutier said:

    She is supposed to be on the same ideological page as Palin. If there are differences, she should discuss them with Palin (at least meet her, for cryin’ out loud), rather than fawn all over Palin’s ideological opponents as she scratches her claws.

    If a liberal journalist privately took Obama aside and tutored him (btw, didn’t Palin have advisors for this? Not sure why this fell on Peggy’s shoulders) you would howl that this is evidence of media bias and absolutely dismiss anything from that journalist going forward.

    Facts don’t lie. There may be some who “believe” Palin was a bad pick, but true conservatives by and large, don’t. The money, the polls, the crowds, the evidence is in favor of Palin being a GOOD pick who was squandered.

    Debatable but irrelevant to the point I was making. I am talking about what Noonan felt and whether she was right in expressing her opinion, not whether her opinion ultimately bared out.

  59. #559
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:53 pm, rambler said:

    Yeah, the classless GOP should have given the VP slot to Romney and then the electoral map would have been maybe Arizona and Michigan in McCain’s column. Just shoot the gift horse!! She didn’t count for anything. What imbeciles!

  60. #560
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, chapoutier said:

    Yeah, the classless GOP should have given the VP slot to Romney and then the electoral map would have been maybe Arizona and Michigan in McCain’s column. Just shoot the gift horse!! She didn’t count for anything. What imbeciles!

    He would have carried Utah too, don’t forget.

  61. #561
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Sometimes I feel so reticent to open up.

    Me too! I only called Noonan stupid and now I feel so, so, inadequate…

  62. #562
    On November 6th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, rfjjulie said:

    #503.

    I agree blue bloods are everywhere. But there is hope! Here in Western Colorado the new GOP candidate for representative beat a 2 term Dem incumbant who was slated to become the speaker of the House in Denver.

    Never lose hope in conservative values!

  63. #563
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, sandyb said:

    WarEagle82 said:
    I think I am going to turn one of my Fimian signs into a “Palin/Jindal * 2012″ sign and leave it up all year long.

    Here’s a place to start looking for 2012 merchandise. I was looking for some myself…Sorry, no Jindal stuff out yet.

    http://www.cafepress.com/stickem2/6099783

  64. #564
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, MtsEdge said:

    If a liberal journalist privately took Obama aside and tutored him (btw, didn’t Palin have advisors for this? Not sure why this fell on Peggy’s shoulders)

    This is becoming rather pointless. I presume that you operate in a vacuum in your place of business. No teamwork required, eh? No professional insights or information should be shared to benefit the cause?

    BTW, Peggy is not a reporter, she is more of an analyst, who provides facts mixed with flowery prose. Not so sure I trust her judgment so much any more to provide the former.

    The only thing falling on Peggy’s shoulders is the boatload she deserves for selling out her party’s best interest in favor of continuing her own invitations to Georgetown cocktail parties.

  65. #565
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:02 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I am talking about what Noonan felt and whether she was right in expressing her opinion

    Sorry, still think winning matters – otherwise, why have opinions? Will it still be an intellectual exercise for her if Komrade nominates a Mullah for SCOTUS? What color Burkha will she be allowed? Far-fetched, maybe..but there are consequences for winning and losing, and if she does’t care, why have opinions, and why should we read her?

  66. #566
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Me too! I only called Noonan stupid and now I feel so, so, inadequate…

    I had to read that a couple of times, lol

    My daughter got me last night – “Would you like some cheese with that whine? No thanks, Im an alcoholic!”

  67. #567
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 1:44 pm, hawkeye54 said:

    Thank you – you have now made it perfectly clear. I had to tell the rest of the people here today that one. They all like it too. :)

  68. #568
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, rfjjulie said:

    #555 BlameAmericaLast

    Ironically I just received the book “Sarah” in yesterday’s mail. (I had ordered it a few months ago.) The author is from Alaska and it was written long before anyone knew she would be nominated for VP. On the first page there are glowing blurbs from Newsweek, AP, NYT, and others re what a great job she had done in Alaska going up against the Big Boys. At that time they must have thought she was just a harmless Gov in Alaska. Hopefully the media will turn on the One when the time comes. They made him and they can destroy him.

  69. #569
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, MtsEdge said:

    #565On November 6th, 2008 at 3:02 pm, AlohaGuy said

    there are consequences for winning and losing

    AG, I wholeheartedly agree. Not just higher taxes and larger government, the consequences could be far more serious for all of us. D or R doesn’t matter, what matters is socialism vs conservatism.

  70. #570
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, chapoutier said:

    This is becoming rather pointless. I presume that you operate in a vacuum in your place of business. No teamwork required, eh? No professional insights or information should be shared to benefit the cause?

    I really don’t understand how this is an apt analogy. But let me try it out. I as a lawyer, would be fired if, instead of getting billable hours (which is, you know…my job) I spent my time teaching the secretary how to use the copier. Also, If I expressed dismayal that my company would hire a typist that did not yet know how to type, I do not think that I am betraying the company.

    But this is what it really comes down to:

    The only thing falling on Peggy’s shoulders is the boatload she deserves for selling out her party’s best interest in favor of continuing her own invitations to Georgetown cocktail parties.

    You really don’t think that a reasonable person could not disagree with the Palin pick? That the ONLY reason to oppose it would be some sort of self-serving purpose? That is crazy.

  71. #571
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, conservativesRus said:

    Actually there are a couple of classless things about this story. 1) The staffers who said such things 2) The media hanging around and reporting such things – either the person who said it puts their name to it or it doesn’t get reported.
    Nameless/faceless people can say anything. Further it wouldn’t be the first time “the media” entirely made things up.

  72. #572
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, chapoutier said:

    Will it still be an intellectual exercise for her if Komrade nominates a Mullah for SCOTUS? What color Burkha will she be allowed? Far-fetched, maybe..but there are consequences for winning and losing, and if she does’t care, why have opinions, and why should we read her?

    Maybe Peggy does care and maybe she weighed the “far fetched” possibility that Obama is planning on making us a caliphate with the much more real possibility that Palin was in wayyy over her head.

    Feel free not to read her, and this is just my opinion, but I really think the Republican party risks irrelevance if they simply push everyone out that is not a hardcore member of the populist base.

  73. #573
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:12 pm, MtsEdge said:

    That the ONLY reason to oppose it would be some sort of self-serving purpose?

    Did I say opposition was not an option? Hardly. But instead of cattiness and half-truths, perhaps Noonan could have done us all a favor and treated Palin with more respect. Respect does not mean obsequiousness, however it does involve some humility and decency. But that would only come into play if Noonan was REALLY interested in the future of conservatism, which I highly doubt at this point.

    I really don’t understand how this is an apt analogy.

    Chap, you really have to work hard not to understand the analogy. I’m not going to explain it any further.

  74. #574
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:16 pm, conservativesRus said:

    If “gravitas” was an issue

    Obviously it’s not as Obama is now president elect.

    So – SoCal – your argument is BUSTED.
    Sarah Palin showed up on “day one” of this campaign with more “chops” than Obama has even today.

  75. #575
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:17 pm, mistressjustice said:

    Is this why so many prominent lib women supported her? You’re grasping at straws here, and I think you know it.

    I’m not grasping at all. Palin had a major hand in costing McCain the presidency. She came across as grossly incompetent at times.

    prominent lib women supported her

    Maybe your definition of prominent is different than mine. These so-called prominent liberal women sure didn’t come out in strong numbers to make Palin seem attractive to the majority of Hillary supporters. It’s rather amazing that so many on this board are blaming the media and blaming the McCain staff while putting no blame on Palin herself. Maybe, (chuckle) maybe she’s really a brilliant political mind. She sure as hell didn’t come across that way to about 60% of voters who didn’t think she was ready to be president. You do know how important perception is.

    McCain took a gamble and loss. I thought it was a smart choice at first too, but then I got a good, long, hard look at her. She blew it.

    If McCain chose Guiliani(who I strongly dislike) or Ridge, he could of at least had a shot at winning. These men could have pulled in moderates and independents. Rightwing radio and blogs would focus on the importance of defeating the “Marxist” Obama. The base’s concerns with social issues would have been spun by the fact that Ridge, or the like would support strict constructionist judges. McCain should have called the bluff, but instead he chose somebody unprepared and not properly vetted to appeal to the base that he would have eventually gotten anyway. You folks can talk about your far right traditional values, with guns and christianity. You can love your winky “you betchas”, and “say it ain’t so’s”. But it kills me how you can’t appreciate that you HAVE to get the support of moderates and independents to win the Whitehouse. Not enough of Americans bought into her schtick. If you’re okay with that, good. I hope you all run her again in 2012, and don’t learn any lessons at all.

    BTW, the coddling, protecting, and screams of sexisssssimmmmmm at every turn, only gives people outside of the base more cause for concern about readiness. The “base” on this blog won’t hold Palin responsible or accountable for any failings at all and that’s just pathetic to see.

    However,

    as an Obama supporter, I am SO glad that McCain picked Sarah Palin. We wouldn’t have gotten this landslide victory without her.

  76. #576
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:19 pm, Misscheryl said:

    I really don’t understand how this is an apt analogy. But let me try it out. I as a lawyer, would be fired if, instead of getting billable hours (which is, you know…my job) I spent my time teaching the secretary how to use the copier. Also, If I expressed dismayal that my company would hire a typist that did not yet know how to type, I do not think that I am betraying the company.

    Without weighing in on either side here (my opinion is of no consequence), this argument, discussion is a perfect example of how people view or frame things according to life experiences. What is absolute for one is not for the other…neither is right nor wrong in this issue..but different. When we see things from the narrow view of our own preceptions based on our own experiences, no one will ever come together or understand each other. We must either “start over” or accept our shortcomings. Sorry to interrupt, carry on…

  77. #577
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:21 pm, MtsEdge said:

    She came across as grossly incompetent at times.

    This is laughable, considering the “gotcha” interviews she fielded with an abundance of grace. The same media that helped to create this image of her gave a complete pass to many gaffes from the Dem ticket, not to mention the associations and ideologies of our new President-elect that are far more relevant and damning.

    Glad you’re happy, though. I hope you enjoy the much larger bite out of your paycheck as your new President makes good on his promise to “spread the wealth.”

  78. #578
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:22 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, chapoutier said:

    Feel free not to read her, and this is just my opinion, but I really think the Republican party risks irrelevance if they simply push everyone out that is not a hardcore member of the populist base.

    Thanks for your concern. Next lib, please!

  79. #579
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, chapoutier said:

    Glad you’re happy, though. I hope you enjoy the much larger bite out of your paycheck as your new President makes good on his promise to “spread the wealth.”

    But the bigger hit MJ will take will be offset by her not having to pay for gas or her mortgage anymore.

  80. #580
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:24 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:17 pm, mistressjustice said:

    as an Obama supporter, I am SO glad that McCain picked Sarah Palin. We wouldn’t have gotten this landslide victory without her.

    First, not a landslide.

    Second, I am sure you were very glad – just as glad as when you voted for McCain in the Republican primaries.

  81. #581
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm, chapoutier said:

    Second, I am sure you were very glad – just as glad as when you voted for McCain in the Republican primaries.

    Us libs had our own “Operation Chaos.” We just did a better job of keeping it secret.

  82. #582
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:27 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Please folks don’t feed the trolls-its not good for polite discussion or your blood pressure.

    Playing wack a troll is no longer fun, and it takes away from the more serious issues that need to be discussed like the saber rattling coming from Russia and Iran.

    GSP

  83. #583
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:27 pm, Papa Louie said:

    The anonymous trashing of Sarah Palin by blabbermouth McCain aides who are leaking to Fox News is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

    Either McCain made a mistake picking his running mate or he made a mistake picking his aides. The aides are desparately pointing at Sarah Palin, but they’re not fooling us. We know they’re a bunch of sniveling cowards in CYA mode.

    I just hope Sarah wasn’t tainted by these McCain RINO’s. If we learn anything about the McCain campaign, it is that you can’t reach across the aisle without first being willing to turn your back on your friends.

  84. #584
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:27 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm, chapoutier said:

    Us libs had our own “Operation Chaos.” We just did a better job of keeping it secret.

    Yup. And I thought OC was a terrible, terrible idea. Hillary Clinton was in it for personal power first, marxism second. That means she could be counted on to at least do something halfway intelligent in order to keep her power.

    Obama wants power to implement marxism.

    Why do you think the Dow is dow-dow-down? Gee, maybe because marxists aren’t that hot for a capitalist economy.

  85. #585
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:28 pm, MtsEdge said:

    But the bigger hit MJ will take will be offset by her not having to pay for gas or her mortgage anymore.

    Spoken like a true Obama supporter, Chap! :)

  86. #586
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:30 pm, chapoutier said:

    Yup. And I thought OC was a terrible, terrible idea. Hillary Clinton was in it for personal power first, marxism second. That means she could be counted on to at least do something halfway intelligent in order to keep her power.

    Wait…I thought OC was supposed to HELP Hillary, by at least extending the primary season.

  87. #587
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    as an Obama supporter, I am SO glad that McCain picked Sarah Palin. We wouldn’t have gotten this landslide victory without her.

    And I suppose you think gaffe-a-day Biden helped Obama in any way? No, the only reason Obama won was because it was purely media driven.

    HE, himself was afraid of Palin, considering the number of times he was attacking her during his speeches. Why go after her and not McCain?

    Obama could’ve won this election even if he had a felony on his record, and his running mate was Pamela Anderson.

    Him and his messianic followers (translate: idiots) were responsible for the victory.

  88. #588
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:36 pm, chapoutier said:

    HE, himself was afraid of Palin, considering the number of times he was attacking her during his speeches. Why go after her and not McCain?

    Wait…you tell me where obama went after Palin in his speeches.

    He purposefully avoided going after Palin.

  89. #589
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:36 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    The reason McCain lost was McCain himself. Yes, he was the worst choice as a candidate, and his age certainly didn’t help when you’re comparing him to Obama.

    McCain was as bad as picking Dole. The only bright side to distract his age was Palin.

    So, if we had run a “rock star” guy comparable to Obama, I believe the race would’ve been a lot different.

    But then again, you liberals will be crying in a few months, and we’ll be saying…I told you so.

    Oh, and the markets are down almost 10%, and everyone’s already calling it the Obama recession.

    Yeah, what a way to start our presidency. Never in the history of elections has this ever happened.

  90. #590
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:37 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Wait…you tell me where obama went after Palin in his speeches.

    He purposefully avoided going after Palin.

    Nope. He went after her…many times.

  91. #591
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:38 pm, chapoutier said:

    Nope. He went after her…many times.

    Seriously please show me. I am googling it now as we speak, but I can’t recall one time Obama directly attacked Palin.

  92. #592
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:43 pm, RedDog said:

    What a waste and an insult to Sarah Palin for the Republicans to have spoiled her entrance to national politics on this wretched campaign. The Republican leadership has to be gutted and the party must return to principled Conservative values. The 20 year compromise with the devil has given us authoritarian Socialism. Crap sandwiches will be the least of our worries in the coming years.

  93. #593
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, chapoutier said:

    Oh, and the markets are down almost 10%, and everyone’s already calling it the Obama recession.

    Yeah, what a way to start our presidency. Never in the history of elections has this ever happened.

    I am sure it had nothing to do with the release of the latest jobless claim and retail sales figures.

  94. #594
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Seriously please show me. I am googling it now as we speak, but I can’t recall one time Obama directly attacked Palin.

    I guess you don’t remember his snarky “lipstick on a pig” comment.

    Nah, that wasn’t directed at her…/sarcasm

  95. #595
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, mistressjustice said:

    First, not a landslide.

    349 electoral votes and counting. Yeah sure, whatever makes your side feel better. I should have seen this spin coming, but when Hannity and Morris started in yesterday, I had a good laugh.

    Glad you’re happy, though. I hope you enjoy the much larger bite out of your paycheck as your new President makes good on his promise to “spread the wealth.”

    My household is under 250k, so I’m still looking at the tax cut. However, I would like to know how many of the “middle class” members of this site will be saying, “thanks but no thanks, Obama”, and sending their checks back to the government. Raise your hand if you returned that last stimulus check. Will you return the next one?

    This is laughable, considering the “gotcha” interviews she fielded with an abundance of grace. The same media that helped to create this image of her gave a complete pass to many gaffes from the Dem ticket, not to mention the associations and ideologies of our new President-elect that are far more relevant and damning.

    Naming a SCOTUS decision you disagree with isn’t gotcha. A high school student could do that with 10 seconds of thought.(How about Plessy?)
    Please tell me how the media affects Palin’s 1rst Amendment rights. That was a real gem. You may think the whole winky, wink, “you betcha” crap was cute, but you underestimate how many folks were turned off. Do you hold Palin accountable and responsible for any failings at all? Seriously? I have criticized both Biden and Obama here. Sarah Palin is treated like the Virgin Mother around here, just more perfect.

    a complete pass to many gaffes from the Dem ticket, not to mention the associations and ideologies of our new President-elect that are far more relevant and damning.

    I don’t plan to change the subject with you, but do you remember Rev. Wright domintating the airwaves last spring? Ayers and ACORN got play the last two months. Khalidi dominated the last week or two. Biden’s gaffes are so legendary that it’s part of his persona. Guess what, Americans still overwhelmingly think Biden is more competent than Queen Sarah.

    Can this woman do any wrong in your eyes?

  96. #596
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:49 pm, chapoutier said:

    I guess you don’t remember his snarky “lipstick on a pig” comment.

    No, because that was such a sorry attempt to CLAIM an attack on Palin, rather than an ACTUAL attack on Palin.

  97. #597
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

    There are a lot of folks who are going to experience buyers remorse in the very near future. The college kids are going to be looking for a job in the middle of a recession – guess what, they won’t be there. The welfare sloths expect a bigger handout, but the productive members of society are tapped out.

    The trickle up theory doesn’t work because to have a job you have to be employed or be in business. The people who make the businesses take the risk and deserve the rewards. If there are no rewards, then there is no reason to take the risk.

  98. #598
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:51 pm, mistressjustice said:

    Seriously please show me. I am googling it now as we speak, but I can’t recall one time Obama directly attacked Palin.

    He did in one brilliant TV using McCain’s words against him concerning relying on his veep’s knowledge.(sorry about that sentence… busy) The ad ended with her signature *wink*.

  99. #599
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:54 pm, chapoutier said:

    He did in one brilliant TV using McCain’s words against him concerning relying on his veep’s knowledge.(sorry about that sentence… busy) The ad ended with her signature *wink*.

    That’s right. Okay. There’s one.

    And MJ, with respect to 349 and counting, NC officials have “unofficially” called the election for Obama and…get this…Obama is going to win Omaha’s electoral vote! Check out 538. So lets just say 365.

  100. #600
    On November 6th, 2008 at 3:54 pm, sonofdy said:

    DOW down 950 since obama the fraud got elected.

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