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The McCain campaign’s classless cowards; Update: Palin reacts

By Michelle Malkin • November 5, 2008 10:29 PM

Scroll down for updates…1:29am Eastern Palin holds press conference in Anchorage after arriving late on her flight from Arizona…refuses to comment on gossip spread by unnamed sources and “small, bitter” people saying “foolish things”…on relationship with McCain: No tension. “I love him…I honor him”…jokes that charges that she was “going rogue” referred to her sneaking in return phone calls to reporters…(vid at Hot Air)

Photoshop: David Lunde

The anonymous trashing of Sarah Palin by blabbermouth McCain aides who are leaking to Fox News is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

Allah’s got the vid clip of a report citing unnamed McCain staffers accusing Palin of lacking, in Carl Cameron’s words, “knowledgeability.” More slime here. And here.

At least all the Hollywood and Manhattan Palin-haters were willing to sign their names and put their faces on their attacks.

Let’s assume the rumor-mongers are telling the truth for a moment. Who does it damn more: Sarah Palin or McCain and his vetters who green-lighted her for the vice presidential nomination? Don’t need an Ivy League degree to figure that one out.

Sarah Palin worked her heart out. She energized tens of thousands to come out who would have otherwise stayed home. She touched countless families. I didn’t agree with everything she said on the campaign trail. But two fundamental conservative stands she took mattered greatly to me: She vigorously defended the Second Amendment and the sanctity of life more eloquently in practice than any of the educated conservative aristocracy.

And she did it all with a tirelessness and infectious optimism that defied the shameless, bottomless attempts by elites in both parties to bring her and her family down.

Shame on the smearers who don’t have the balls to show their faces.

Thank you, Sarah Palin. Thank you for stepping up the plate and serving your country.

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More: Ace of Spades is %^&* spitting mad.

Here’s a story these staffers tell: Sent to collect Palin from a hotel, she greeted them, straight from the shower (running late, I guess ) dressed (scandal!) only in a bathrobe (presumably a very thick hotel bathrobe).

These staffers called that “uncommon” — Cameron delighted in the word to give it the sound of “whorish, unprofessional.”

Heh, assholes? She had to open the door and had just gotten out of the shower. Did you want her to use her magical powers of telekinesis to open the door for you?

So is RedState, which announces an accountability project.

I wonder if the delicate McCain staffers upset at seeing Palin in bathrobe/towel were as aghast at the photos on Meghan McCain’s blog of Cindy McCain in her – gasp! – bathrobe.

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And now, this:

Randy Scheunemann, a senior foreign policy adviser to John McCain, was fired from the Arizona senator’s campaign last week for what one aide called “trashing” the campaign staff, three senior McCain advisers tell CNN.

One of the aides tells CNN that campaign manager Rick Davis fired Scheunemann after determining that he had been in direct contact with journalists spreading “disinformation” about campaign aides, including Nicolle Wallace and other officials.

“He was positioning himself with Palin at the expense of John McCain’s campaign message,” said one of the aides.

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Update: 1:34am Eastern. Palin arrives in Anchorage after a long trip home from Alaska. She holds a press conference. Refuses to comment on gossip spread by unnamed sources and “small, bitter” people saying “foolish things”…on relationship with McCain: No tension. “I love him…I honor him.”

Responding to a question on whether she has any “hurt feelings,” Palin laughs cheerfully. “This is politics! Of course not. It’s rough and tumble and you’ve got to have a thick skin just like I’ve got.”

Palin expresses “disappointment in the media — don’t take it personally.”

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#534228

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, chapoutier said:

There is a distinct difference between advice and condemnation.

Wait…Is Peggy Noonan supposed to be a reporter/commentator or Dear Abby?
#534229

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:25 pm, single stack said:

The people trashing Sarah are the same fools who have nearly destroyed the Republican party and made possible the rise of the socialists.
#534231

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:27 pm, MtsEdge said:

We will never hear about her, she won’t be doing anything of importance for the rest of the country, she won’t be in the national news… if she was in Washington, she would be involved in high-profile politics, she would be learning the people and the game, and she would be in the news…

SoCal, I beg to differ. Her involvement in energy issues as Governor of Alaska is going to continue to be big news, and her accomplishments will continue to accumulate. I disagree with the “gravitas” being earned(?) in DC. That’s the old way.

We hear an awful lot about Jindal and he isn’t working in Washington. In fact, he stayed home from the Repub Convention during the hurricane and tended to his state’s affairs, and it was national news.
#534235

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:29 pm, MtsEdge said:

Wait…Is Peggy Noonan supposed to be a reporter/commentator or Dear Abby?

Cute line. You give advice to your colleagues, condemnation to your opponents. You should know that, being a lawyer and all.
#534240

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:31 pm, sandyb said:

Misscheryl said:
Another true conservative would be Inhofe (he’s not interested) or Coburn (he’s not interested). It seems as though, those at the bottom of the barrel are the only ones interested. If someone has anything on the ball, they say forget it.

Maybe these guys would consider being on an anti-commie advisory board (if you heard Rush today, we better get some strategy now) or devise strategy for the new RNC? Don’t forget about DeMint, Pence, Santorum and Duncan Hunter.

There are some blood-chilling times coming. We need the best minds we can get — don’t forget about Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell, too, for advice in combatting econ matters as well as all the Alinsky policies The One has in mind in his first 100 days.
#534242

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, chapoutier said:

Cute line. You give advice to your colleagues, condemnation to your opponents. You should know that, being a lawyer and all.

So again, her actual opinion of Palin should make absolutely no difference in what she says. She must simply toe the line and smile, right? I guess you are only against media sycophants when they are for Obama.
#534245

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:34 pm, SoCal said:

SoCal, I beg to differ. Her involvement in energy issues as Governor of Alaska is going to continue to be big news, and her accomplishments will continue to accumulate. I disagree with the “gravitas” being earned(?) in DC. That’s the old way.

We hear an awful lot about Jindal and he isn’t working in Washington. In fact, he stayed home from the Repub Convention during the hurricane and tended to his state’s affairs, and it was national news.

maybe… I just don’t think she is all that… I was DESPERATE to find any reason to vote for McAmnesty, and I went in her direction. But I am really not that impressed by her skills or leadership. I wouldn’t follow her into the gates of hell, if you know what I mean… I guess we will see. But if she is the best that we can put up as a leader… I am not confident.
#534247

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:35 pm, AlohaGuy said:

Stupid how? If this is what she truly felt about Palin, why should she not say it? She should put rank partisanship above her own intellectual honesty? Maybe stupid in the sense that she threatens her standing in the Republican Party, but for all the grief thrown her way, I’m not so sure she considers that a bad thing anymore.

Stupid because winning matters. As in say – SCOTUS nominees that you believe in even if you don’t believe in the veep. If she cares about the principles of the party she represents, she should help get that party in power to maximize the possibilities of getting those principles instantiated.
#534250

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:37 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

If “gravitas” was an issue, then how did Jindal get elected? He is young too.
#534253

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, MtsEdge said:

So again, her actual opinion of Palin should make absolutely no difference in what she says. She must simply toe the line and smile, right? I guess you are only against media sycophants when they are for Obama.

I think she should at least meet the woman, talk with her, and share some of her own wisdom gleaned from her many years as an insider, if that would be of value to Palin. You know, act more like a professional colleague, and less like a high schooler. You seem to want to label Palin supporters as “sycophants” but reserve great respect for those who would unjustly persecute her in the name of “professional integrity.” Then again, you’re a lib, so we’re already on different sides of this issue right from the start.
#534254

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, chapoutier said:

Stupid because winning matters. As in say – SCOTUS nominees that you believe in even if you don’t believe in the veep. If she cares about the principles of the party she represents, she should help get that party in power to maximize the possibilities of getting those principles instantiated.

Not that I am comparing myself to Noonan, but come on…how many liberals here took heat because they were accused (wrongly or rightly) of just being lap dogs for Obama and never criticizing anything he did or said? Isn’t this what you are asking Noonan to do?

Do you think MM was wrong to constantly harp on McCain’s amnesty position, or his vote on the bailout?
#534255

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

I think going forward, Palin would be a good one to use for fund raising events. It would definitely draw people, plus raise her profile.
#534256

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, FilmLadd said:

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:32 pm, chapoutier said:

So again, her actual opinion of Palin should make absolutely no difference in what she says. She must simply toe the line and smile, right? I guess you are only against media sycophants when they are for Obama.

Peggy Noonan can have any opinion she wants.

Obviously, her dislike of Palin doesn’t mean that she’s a fifth-columnist RINO-loving socialist-collectivist scumbag who helped a Marxist get elected and therefore contributed to the decline of western civilization, all the while mewwing “mmmm” while giving Lewinskis to George Stepha-oompa-loompa.

But that’s exactly what she is.
#534260

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:39 pm, FilmLadd said:

Was I too harsh there? Sorry.
#534262

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:40 pm, Dimsdale said:

Gutless toadies looking for a scapegoat for their ineptitude.

Palin is great!!
#534267

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:41 pm, MtsEdge said:

I am not confident.

SoCal, fair enough. Perhaps I am more confident than you. I think she will hone her skills and strengthen her support as she continues her work for the people of Alaska. Reagan didn’t make it the first time he tried, either.
#534274

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:43 pm, chapoutier said:

You know, act more like a professional colleague, and less like a high schooler.

Noonan is not Palin’s collague. She is a member of the media and Palin is a politician.

You seem to want to label Palin supporters as “sycophants” but reserve great respect for those who would unjustly persecute her in the name of “professional integrity.

I never said Palin supporters were sycophants. I said anyone who actually believes Palin was a bad pick, but won’t say so based on pure party loyalty is.
#534278

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm, chapoutier said:

Was I too harsh there? Sorry.

Not at all. Tell us how you really feel.
#534280

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm, SoCal said:

I think she will hone her skills

That is what she needs to do… I like her, I hope she succeeds.
#534285

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:46 pm, MtsEdge said:

Noonan is not Palin’s collague.

She is supposed to be on the same ideological page as Palin. If there are differences, she should discuss them with Palin (at least meet her, for cryin’ out loud), rather than fawn all over Palin’s ideological opponents as she scratches her claws.

I said anyone who actually believes Palin was a bad pick

Facts don’t lie. There may be some who “believe” Palin was a bad pick, but true conservatives by and large, don’t. The money, the polls, the crowds, the evidence is in favor of Palin being a GOOD pick who was squandered. Again, as a lawyer, you are trained to look at the evidence, not hearsay.
#534287

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:48 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

What amazes me is why all the vitriol about her now? She was elected as governor of Alaska 2 years ago, and NOW they have an issue with her and her “experience”? And NOW they have problem with her leadership skills?

Where was all the outcry then? Look at what she accomplished in Alaska by getting elected in the first place. Where was the media then?

This whole election was a media-driven spectacle. The MSM was fawning over Obama, never questioning anything in his life, never asking for college papers, transcripts, etc. But Palin comes on the stage, and does everyone do? They send an army up to Anchorage to dig up as much dirt on this woman as possible. The only thing Obama did right was to tell the media to STFU when it came to Palin’s daughter having a baby at 18 by coming out and saying his mother had done the same.

Other than that, the cover stories of her on InTouch, the catty women talking about her hair, makeup and glasses, etc. It was despicable and petty.

Obama didn’t get anywhere near the rabid treatment Palin got. But then again, they do hold her to a different standard.
#534288

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:49 pm, sandyb said:

They don’t have the ego, they don’t have the thirst for power over people.

Some of these people don’t have the stomach and don’t want the aggravation. Yes, it’s their choice in this (still) free Republic. But when our entire way of life is on the line, those with the know-how and wherewithall to guide us but choose not to, are traitors.
#534292

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:52 pm, FilmLadd said:

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm, chapoutier said:

Was I too harsh there? Sorry.

Not at all. Tell us how you really feel.

Sometimes I feel so reticent to open up.
#534294

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:53 pm, chapoutier said:

She is supposed to be on the same ideological page as Palin. If there are differences, she should discuss them with Palin (at least meet her, for cryin’ out loud), rather than fawn all over Palin’s ideological opponents as she scratches her claws.

If a liberal journalist privately took Obama aside and tutored him (btw, didn’t Palin have advisors for this? Not sure why this fell on Peggy’s shoulders) you would howl that this is evidence of media bias and absolutely dismiss anything from that journalist going forward.

Facts don’t lie. There may be some who “believe” Palin was a bad pick, but true conservatives by and large, don’t. The money, the polls, the crowds, the evidence is in favor of Palin being a GOOD pick who was squandered.

Debatable but irrelevant to the point I was making. I am talking about what Noonan felt and whether she was right in expressing her opinion, not whether her opinion ultimately bared out.
#534295

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:53 pm, rambler said:

Yeah, the classless GOP should have given the VP slot to Romney and then the electoral map would have been maybe Arizona and Michigan in McCain’s column. Just shoot the gift horse!! She didn’t count for anything. What imbeciles!
#534298

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, chapoutier said:

Yeah, the classless GOP should have given the VP slot to Romney and then the electoral map would have been maybe Arizona and Michigan in McCain’s column. Just shoot the gift horse!! She didn’t count for anything. What imbeciles!

He would have carried Utah too, don’t forget.
#534299

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, AlohaGuy said:

Sometimes I feel so reticent to open up.

Me too! I only called Noonan stupid and now I feel so, so, inadequate…
#534306

On November 6th, 2008 at 2:58 pm, rfjjulie said:

#503.

I agree blue bloods are everywhere. But there is hope! Here in Western Colorado the new GOP candidate for representative beat a 2 term Dem incumbant who was slated to become the speaker of the House in Denver.

Never lose hope in conservative values!
#534309

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, sandyb said:

WarEagle82 said:
I think I am going to turn one of my Fimian signs into a “Palin/Jindal * 2012″ sign and leave it up all year long.

Here’s a place to start looking for 2012 merchandise. I was looking for some myself…Sorry, no Jindal stuff out yet.

http://www.cafepress.com/stickem2/6099783
#534310

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:00 pm, MtsEdge said:

If a liberal journalist privately took Obama aside and tutored him (btw, didn’t Palin have advisors for this? Not sure why this fell on Peggy’s shoulders)

This is becoming rather pointless. I presume that you operate in a vacuum in your place of business. No teamwork required, eh? No professional insights or information should be shared to benefit the cause?

BTW, Peggy is not a reporter, she is more of an analyst, who provides facts mixed with flowery prose. Not so sure I trust her judgment so much any more to provide the former.

The only thing falling on Peggy’s shoulders is the boatload she deserves for selling out her party’s best interest in favor of continuing her own invitations to Georgetown cocktail parties.
#534314

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:02 pm, AlohaGuy said:

I am talking about what Noonan felt and whether she was right in expressing her opinion

Sorry, still think winning matters – otherwise, why have opinions? Will it still be an intellectual exercise for her if Komrade nominates a Mullah for SCOTUS? What color Burkha will she be allowed? Far-fetched, maybe..but there are consequences for winning and losing, and if she does’t care, why have opinions, and why should we read her?
#534316

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

Me too! I only called Noonan stupid and now I feel so, so, inadequate…

I had to read that a couple of times, lol

My daughter got me last night – “Would you like some cheese with that whine? No thanks, Im an alcoholic!”
#534320

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:03 pm, conservativesRus said:

On November 6th, 2008 at 1:44 pm, hawkeye54 said:

Thank you – you have now made it perfectly clear. I had to tell the rest of the people here today that one. They all like it too.
#534321

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:04 pm, rfjjulie said:

#555 BlameAmericaLast

Ironically I just received the book “Sarah” in yesterday’s mail. (I had ordered it a few months ago.) The author is from Alaska and it was written long before anyone knew she would be nominated for VP. On the first page there are glowing blurbs from Newsweek, AP, NYT, and others re what a great job she had done in Alaska going up against the Big Boys. At that time they must have thought she was just a harmless Gov in Alaska. Hopefully the media will turn on the One when the time comes. They made him and they can destroy him.
#534327

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, MtsEdge said:

#565On November 6th, 2008 at 3:02 pm, AlohaGuy said

there are consequences for winning and losing

AG, I wholeheartedly agree. Not just higher taxes and larger government, the consequences could be far more serious for all of us. D or R doesn’t matter, what matters is socialism vs conservatism.
#534329

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:06 pm, chapoutier said:

This is becoming rather pointless. I presume that you operate in a vacuum in your place of business. No teamwork required, eh? No professional insights or information should be shared to benefit the cause?

I really don’t understand how this is an apt analogy. But let me try it out. I as a lawyer, would be fired if, instead of getting billable hours (which is, you know…my job) I spent my time teaching the secretary how to use the copier. Also, If I expressed dismayal that my company would hire a typist that did not yet know how to type, I do not think that I am betraying the company.

But this is what it really comes down to:

The only thing falling on Peggy’s shoulders is the boatload she deserves for selling out her party’s best interest in favor of continuing her own invitations to Georgetown cocktail parties.

You really don’t think that a reasonable person could not disagree with the Palin pick? That the ONLY reason to oppose it would be some sort of self-serving purpose? That is crazy.
#534335

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, conservativesRus said:

Actually there are a couple of classless things about this story. 1) The staffers who said such things 2) The media hanging around and reporting such things – either the person who said it puts their name to it or it doesn’t get reported.
Nameless/faceless people can say anything. Further it wouldn’t be the first time “the media” entirely made things up.
#534339

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, chapoutier said:

Will it still be an intellectual exercise for her if Komrade nominates a Mullah for SCOTUS? What color Burkha will she be allowed? Far-fetched, maybe..but there are consequences for winning and losing, and if she does’t care, why have opinions, and why should we read her?

Maybe Peggy does care and maybe she weighed the “far fetched” possibility that Obama is planning on making us a caliphate with the much more real possibility that Palin was in wayyy over her head.

Feel free not to read her, and this is just my opinion, but I really think the Republican party risks irrelevance if they simply push everyone out that is not a hardcore member of the populist base.
#534344

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:12 pm, MtsEdge said:

That the ONLY reason to oppose it would be some sort of self-serving purpose?

Did I say opposition was not an option? Hardly. But instead of cattiness and half-truths, perhaps Noonan could have done us all a favor and treated Palin with more respect. Respect does not mean obsequiousness, however it does involve some humility and decency. But that would only come into play if Noonan was REALLY interested in the future of conservatism, which I highly doubt at this point.

I really don’t understand how this is an apt analogy.

Chap, you really have to work hard not to understand the analogy. I’m not going to explain it any further.
#534350

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:16 pm, conservativesRus said:

If “gravitas” was an issue

Obviously it’s not as Obama is now president elect.

So – SoCal – your argument is BUSTED.
Sarah Palin showed up on “day one” of this campaign with more “chops” than Obama has even today.
#534354

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:17 pm, mistressjustice said:

Is this why so many prominent lib women supported her? You’re grasping at straws here, and I think you know it.

I’m not grasping at all. Palin had a major hand in costing McCain the presidency. She came across as grossly incompetent at times.

prominent lib women supported her

Maybe your definition of prominent is different than mine. These so-called prominent liberal women sure didn’t come out in strong numbers to make Palin seem attractive to the majority of Hillary supporters. It’s rather amazing that so many on this board are blaming the media and blaming the McCain staff while putting no blame on Palin herself. Maybe, (chuckle) maybe she’s really a brilliant political mind. She sure as hell didn’t come across that way to about 60% of voters who didn’t think she was ready to be president. You do know how important perception is.

McCain took a gamble and loss. I thought it was a smart choice at first too, but then I got a good, long, hard look at her. She blew it.

If McCain chose Guiliani(who I strongly dislike) or Ridge, he could of at least had a shot at winning. These men could have pulled in moderates and independents. Rightwing radio and blogs would focus on the importance of defeating the “Marxist” Obama. The base’s concerns with social issues would have been spun by the fact that Ridge, or the like would support strict constructionist judges. McCain should have called the bluff, but instead he chose somebody unprepared and not properly vetted to appeal to the base that he would have eventually gotten anyway. You folks can talk about your far right traditional values, with guns and christianity. You can love your winky “you betchas”, and “say it ain’t so’s”. But it kills me how you can’t appreciate that you HAVE to get the support of moderates and independents to win the Whitehouse. Not enough of Americans bought into her schtick. If you’re okay with that, good. I hope you all run her again in 2012, and don’t learn any lessons at all.

BTW, the coddling, protecting, and screams of sexisssssimmmmmm at every turn, only gives people outside of the base more cause for concern about readiness. The “base” on this blog won’t hold Palin responsible or accountable for any failings at all and that’s just pathetic to see.

However,

as an Obama supporter, I am SO glad that McCain picked Sarah Palin. We wouldn’t have gotten this landslide victory without her.
#534355

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:19 pm, Misscheryl said:

I really don’t understand how this is an apt analogy. But let me try it out. I as a lawyer, would be fired if, instead of getting billable hours (which is, you know…my job) I spent my time teaching the secretary how to use the copier. Also, If I expressed dismayal that my company would hire a typist that did not yet know how to type, I do not think that I am betraying the company.

Without weighing in on either side here (my opinion is of no consequence), this argument, discussion is a perfect example of how people view or frame things according to life experiences. What is absolute for one is not for the other…neither is right nor wrong in this issue..but different. When we see things from the narrow view of our own preceptions based on our own experiences, no one will ever come together or understand each other. We must either “start over” or accept our shortcomings. Sorry to interrupt, carry on…
#534359

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:21 pm, MtsEdge said:

She came across as grossly incompetent at times.

This is laughable, considering the “gotcha” interviews she fielded with an abundance of grace. The same media that helped to create this image of her gave a complete pass to many gaffes from the Dem ticket, not to mention the associations and ideologies of our new President-elect that are far more relevant and damning.

Glad you’re happy, though. I hope you enjoy the much larger bite out of your paycheck as your new President makes good on his promise to “spread the wealth.”
#534362

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:22 pm, FilmLadd said:

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:11 pm, chapoutier said:

Feel free not to read her, and this is just my opinion, but I really think the Republican party risks irrelevance if they simply push everyone out that is not a hardcore member of the populist base.

Thanks for your concern. Next lib, please!
#534363

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:23 pm, chapoutier said:

Glad you’re happy, though. I hope you enjoy the much larger bite out of your paycheck as your new President makes good on his promise to “spread the wealth.”

But the bigger hit MJ will take will be offset by her not having to pay for gas or her mortgage anymore.
#534366

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:24 pm, FilmLadd said:

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:17 pm, mistressjustice said:

as an Obama supporter, I am SO glad that McCain picked Sarah Palin. We wouldn’t have gotten this landslide victory without her.

First, not a landslide.

Second, I am sure you were very glad – just as glad as when you voted for McCain in the Republican primaries.
#534369

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm, chapoutier said:

Second, I am sure you were very glad – just as glad as when you voted for McCain in the Republican primaries.

Us libs had our own “Operation Chaos.” We just did a better job of keeping it secret.
#534371

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:27 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

Please folks don’t feed the trolls-its not good for polite discussion or your blood pressure.

Playing wack a troll is no longer fun, and it takes away from the more serious issues that need to be discussed like the saber rattling coming from Russia and Iran.

GSP
#534374

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:27 pm, Papa Louie said:

The anonymous trashing of Sarah Palin by blabbermouth McCain aides who are leaking to Fox News is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

Either McCain made a mistake picking his running mate or he made a mistake picking his aides. The aides are desparately pointing at Sarah Palin, but they’re not fooling us. We know they’re a bunch of sniveling cowards in CYA mode.

I just hope Sarah wasn’t tainted by these McCain RINO’s. If we learn anything about the McCain campaign, it is that you can’t reach across the aisle without first being willing to turn your back on your friends.
#534375

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:27 pm, FilmLadd said:

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm, chapoutier said:

Us libs had our own “Operation Chaos.” We just did a better job of keeping it secret.

Yup. And I thought OC was a terrible, terrible idea. Hillary Clinton was in it for personal power first, marxism second. That means she could be counted on to at least do something halfway intelligent in order to keep her power.

Obama wants power to implement marxism.

Why do you think the Dow is dow-dow-down? Gee, maybe because marxists aren’t that hot for a capitalist economy.
#534377

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:28 pm, MtsEdge said:

But the bigger hit MJ will take will be offset by her not having to pay for gas or her mortgage anymore.

Spoken like a true Obama supporter, Chap!
#534383

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:30 pm, chapoutier said:

Yup. And I thought OC was a terrible, terrible idea. Hillary Clinton was in it for personal power first, marxism second. That means she could be counted on to at least do something halfway intelligent in order to keep her power.

Wait…I thought OC was supposed to HELP Hillary, by at least extending the primary season.
#534389

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:33 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

as an Obama supporter, I am SO glad that McCain picked Sarah Palin. We wouldn’t have gotten this landslide victory without her.

And I suppose you think gaffe-a-day Biden helped Obama in any way? No, the only reason Obama won was because it was purely media driven.

HE, himself was afraid of Palin, considering the number of times he was attacking her during his speeches. Why go after her and not McCain?

Obama could’ve won this election even if he had a felony on his record, and his running mate was Pamela Anderson.

Him and his messianic followers (translate: idiots) were responsible for the victory.
#534394

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:36 pm, chapoutier said:

HE, himself was afraid of Palin, considering the number of times he was attacking her during his speeches. Why go after her and not McCain?

Wait…you tell me where obama went after Palin in his speeches.

He purposefully avoided going after Palin.
#534396

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:36 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

The reason McCain lost was McCain himself. Yes, he was the worst choice as a candidate, and his age certainly didn’t help when you’re comparing him to Obama.

McCain was as bad as picking Dole. The only bright side to distract his age was Palin.

So, if we had run a “rock star” guy comparable to Obama, I believe the race would’ve been a lot different.

But then again, you liberals will be crying in a few months, and we’ll be saying…I told you so.

Oh, and the markets are down almost 10%, and everyone’s already calling it the Obama recession.

Yeah, what a way to start our presidency. Never in the history of elections has this ever happened.
#534398

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:37 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

Wait…you tell me where obama went after Palin in his speeches.

He purposefully avoided going after Palin.

Nope. He went after her…many times.
#534399

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:38 pm, chapoutier said:

Nope. He went after her…many times.

Seriously please show me. I am googling it now as we speak, but I can’t recall one time Obama directly attacked Palin.
#534414

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:43 pm, RedDog said:

What a waste and an insult to Sarah Palin for the Republicans to have spoiled her entrance to national politics on this wretched campaign. The Republican leadership has to be gutted and the party must return to principled Conservative values. The 20 year compromise with the devil has given us authoritarian Socialism. Crap sandwiches will be the least of our worries in the coming years.
#534423

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, chapoutier said:

Oh, and the markets are down almost 10%, and everyone’s already calling it the Obama recession.

Yeah, what a way to start our presidency. Never in the history of elections has this ever happened.

I am sure it had nothing to do with the release of the latest jobless claim and retail sales figures.
#534425

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

Seriously please show me. I am googling it now as we speak, but I can’t recall one time Obama directly attacked Palin.

I guess you don’t remember his snarky “lipstick on a pig” comment.

Nah, that wasn’t directed at her…/sarcasm
#534426

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, mistressjustice said:

First, not a landslide.

349 electoral votes and counting. Yeah sure, whatever makes your side feel better. I should have seen this spin coming, but when Hannity and Morris started in yesterday, I had a good laugh.

Glad you’re happy, though. I hope you enjoy the much larger bite out of your paycheck as your new President makes good on his promise to “spread the wealth.”

My household is under 250k, so I’m still looking at the tax cut. However, I would like to know how many of the “middle class” members of this site will be saying, “thanks but no thanks, Obama”, and sending their checks back to the government. Raise your hand if you returned that last stimulus check. Will you return the next one?

This is laughable, considering the “gotcha” interviews she fielded with an abundance of grace. The same media that helped to create this image of her gave a complete pass to many gaffes from the Dem ticket, not to mention the associations and ideologies of our new President-elect that are far more relevant and damning.

Naming a SCOTUS decision you disagree with isn’t gotcha. A high school student could do that with 10 seconds of thought.(How about Plessy?)
Please tell me how the media affects Palin’s 1rst Amendment rights. That was a real gem. You may think the whole winky, wink, “you betcha” crap was cute, but you underestimate how many folks were turned off. Do you hold Palin accountable and responsible for any failings at all? Seriously? I have criticized both Biden and Obama here. Sarah Palin is treated like the Virgin Mother around here, just more perfect.

a complete pass to many gaffes from the Dem ticket, not to mention the associations and ideologies of our new President-elect that are far more relevant and damning.

I don’t plan to change the subject with you, but do you remember Rev. Wright domintating the airwaves last spring? Ayers and ACORN got play the last two months. Khalidi dominated the last week or two. Biden’s gaffes are so legendary that it’s part of his persona. Guess what, Americans still overwhelmingly think Biden is more competent than Queen Sarah.

Can this woman do any wrong in your eyes?
#534434

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:49 pm, chapoutier said:

I guess you don’t remember his snarky “lipstick on a pig” comment.

No, because that was such a sorry attempt to CLAIM an attack on Palin, rather than an ACTUAL attack on Palin.
#534439

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:50 pm, publiuswarmac9999 said:

There are a lot of folks who are going to experience buyers remorse in the very near future. The college kids are going to be looking for a job in the middle of a recession – guess what, they won’t be there. The welfare sloths expect a bigger handout, but the productive members of society are tapped out.

The trickle up theory doesn’t work because to have a job you have to be employed or be in business. The people who make the businesses take the risk and deserve the rewards. If there are no rewards, then there is no reason to take the risk.
#534442

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:51 pm, mistressjustice said:

Seriously please show me. I am googling it now as we speak, but I can’t recall one time Obama directly attacked Palin.

He did in one brilliant TV using McCain’s words against him concerning relying on his veep’s knowledge.(sorry about that sentence… busy) The ad ended with her signature *wink*.
#534451

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:54 pm, chapoutier said:

He did in one brilliant TV using McCain’s words against him concerning relying on his veep’s knowledge.(sorry about that sentence… busy) The ad ended with her signature *wink*.

That’s right. Okay. There’s one.

And MJ, with respect to 349 and counting, NC officials have “unofficially” called the election for Obama and…get this…Obama is going to win Omaha’s electoral vote! Check out 538. So lets just say 365.
#534452

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:54 pm, sonofdy said:

DOW down 950 since obama the fraud got elected.
#534457

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:55 pm, chapoutier said:

DOW down 950 since obama the fraud got elected.

Its nice I don’t have to switch back to Yahoo to get a running ticker. Thanks.
#534461

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:56 pm, WarEagle82 said:

I bet there are lots of things Obama said that Chap doesn’t remember. I bet in a few more years there will be even MORE things Obama said that Chap can’t remember.
#534464

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:57 pm, sonofdy said:

Its nice I don’t have to switch back to Yahoo to get a running ticker. Thanks.

No problem.

I plan to expose all of Obama the DOW killers problems for the next 4 years.
#534474

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:59 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

Unlike John McCain’s congratulations video he put out when Barack Obama made his acceptance speech as the first black presidential nominee for the democratic party, Obama did not congratulate McCain’s vice president pic, Sarah Palin, for being the first republican woman to get picked as a vice presidential running mate. Obama released the following statement:

“Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain’s commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush’s failed economic policies, that’s not the change we need, it’s just more of the same.”

Of course, another elitist snarky comment…never mentioning a governor from Alaska. No words needed, he was diminishing her without having to say it.
#534476

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:59 pm, AlohaGuy said:

We wouldn’t have gotten this landslide victory without her.

No landslide, but you do own the next 4 years. The market is down, which I’m willing to give you right now. Chap is sending you this month’s mortgage payment, and I’ll forward the bottle of Petrus when it’s almost empty. You won’t be getting any Christmas presents this year though – we’ve gone “no” on coal.
#534477

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:59 pm, chapoutier said:

I bet there are lots of things Obama said that Chap doesn’t remember.

Well…so far the only one to point one out has been MJ, which I acknowledge, but as I recall that was a big deal because that was the first time they had featured Palin in a campaign ad.

But I will gladly retract if others are pointed out.
#534493

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:04 pm, chapoutier said:

BAL,

That was Bill Burton, not Obama, that said that.

And as for not offering congratulations:

“We send our congratulations to Governor Sarah Palin and her family on her designation as the republican nominee for Vice President. It is yet another encouraging sign that old barriers are falling in our politics. While we obviously have differences over how best to lead this country forward Governor Palin is an admirable person and will add a compelling new voice to this campaign.”
#534504

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:05 pm, mistressjustice said:

Obama is going to win Omaha’s electoral vote! Check out 538. So lets just say 365.

Thanks. LOL. On what universe is 349 or 365 electoral votes not a landside? It ain’t just a river in Egypt is it? ROFLMBO. For good comedy, youtube Hannity and Dick Morris talking about how this was a close election because McCain did pull in 56 million afterall. Oh boy it’s going to be a long, 8 years. I’ll be limiting my time here in the near future Chap, and just popping in from time to time. The ODS will be tolerably funny in small doses.
#534506

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:05 pm, chapoutier said:

You won’t be getting any Christmas presents this year though – we’ve gone “no” on coal.

Does this mean that bad children will be getting a lump of biodiesel instead?
#534509

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:05 pm, inviolet said:

Responding to a question on whether she has any “hurt feelings,” Palin laughs cheerfully. “This is politics! Of course not. It’s rough and tumble and you’ve got to have a thick skin just like I’ve got.”

Classy quote, and true in public, but you know she’s crying privately over the vicious, vicious things they are saying about her children. What loving mother wouldn’t? And Todd must be spitting nails.

I HATE the media.

And Andrew Sullivan….Am so angry at that man for his petty, vicious, relentless tirades against this honorable, decent woman’s CHILDREN.
#534515

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:07 pm, AlohaGuy said:

I’ll be limiting my time here in the near future Chap, and just popping in from time to time.

Now I’m disappointed. We get a chance to critique your guy and you’re not up to it. I thought better of you than that.
#534518

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:07 pm, chapoutier said:

Thanks. LOL. On what universe is 349 or 365 electoral votes not a landside?

Well…I tend to agree, but even Nate Silver considered 375+ a landslide, which is the number I heard most often thrown around.

So lets just say it was a severe case of sudden erosion.
#534520

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:08 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

Well, you see that’s what separates the class from the donkeys.

Once they get what they want, they send out all the phony thank you’s because they have to. And not because they want to.
#534525

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:10 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

That was Bill Burton, not Obama, that said that.

It’s coming from his campaign, so where does the buck stop?
#534527

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:10 pm, AlohaGuy said:

Does this mean that bad children will be getting a lump of biodiesel instead?

68 million worthless oil leases, and a beanie-cap with propeller attached to a nine-volt battery to run their home appliances.
#534530

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:11 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

Hmmmm….I wonder whatever happened to all those 200,000 fraudulent voter registration cards in OH?
#534555

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:16 pm, conservativesRus said:

On November 6th, 2008 at 3:46 pm, mistressjustice said:

MJ – some of us on this site are in fact productive members of society. We might not have gotten a stimulus check to send back. Never mind that “the wealthy” are in fact the ones who create jobs. Not stimulus checks.
#534567

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:20 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

Obama, Dems sharpen personal attacks on Palin

From the Politico.com
#534570

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:21 pm, mistressjustice said:

The market is down, which I’m willing to give you right now. Chap is sending you this month’s mortgage payment, and I’ll forward the bottle of Petrus when it’s almost empty. You won’t be getting any Christmas presents this year though – we’ve gone “no” on coal.

Oh, AlohaGuy I think Obama will pleasantly surprise you. He won’t win you over, but he’ll do a good job for our country.

Offtopic:
But, I’ll tell you a secret. Besides the economy, Bush and Palin, I’ll tell you how McCain lost this thing.

1. Drilling- I think it was a gimmick, because otherwise the republicans would have made it happen between 2000-2006. However, the gimmick was gaining traction with the American people. Even Obama mildly flipflopped on it. Most people supported it, and McCain should have kept hammering it home throught the rest of the campaign. He spent all of this $ and time talking about Ayers and Khalidi instead of realizing that most Americans didn’t give a dang.

Here’s the biggie, and it could have put him over the top.

2. Illegal Immigration-

Once McCain realized that Obama was going to dominate the hispanic vote, he should have become an anti-illegal immigration hardliner. He could have spun it by talking about how the so-called “shamnesty” bill taught him a lesson. McCain already flipflopped on negative campaigning, off-shore drilling, and Bush’s tax cuts. He should have cut his losses with the hispanic vote and brought the issue of illegal immigration back to the table. Whether it is genuine economic and crime concerns or mostly xenophobia, Americans get riled up on the issue no matter what race, creed, or party. I’m glad McCain blew it, but he blew it. He spent all of this $ and time talking about Ayers and Khalidi instead of realizing that most Americans didn’t give a dang.

I trust you’ll keep this between the two of us AlohaGuy.
#534576

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:23 pm, mistressjustice said:

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:16 pm, conservativesRus said:

Sigh. I’m addressing those that did and will receive stimulus checks. You know that, fella.
#534578

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:23 pm, drfredc said:

These RINOs are out hunting for a new gang to join up with and that gang ain’t on the right. The first task of being accepted by the RINOs and Left is to earn some credentials by trashing Palin.

Otherwise, they’ve got to go looking for a real job…
#534579

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:24 pm, AlohaGuy said:

Illegal Immigration-

Don’t worry – McCain is deaf on the subject.
#534583

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:25 pm, mistressjustice said:

So lets just say it was a severe case of sudden erosion.

I’ll take it.
#534602

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:33 pm, mistressjustice said:

Now I’m disappointed. We get a chance to critique your guy and you’re not up to it. I thought better of you than that.

I won’t mind the honest critiques. The whole Marxist and Muslim Manchurian candidate stuff gets a little old. Will every DOW drop and layoff be blamed on Obama? I don’t find humor in the references to him being a the “true” “anti-christ”, because I think it’s extremely dangerous.
I’ll stop in for occasional honest debates concering Obama. I think I’ve said my piece on Palin and McCain. I’m just getting a tad burnt out AlohaGuy.
#534612

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:37 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:33 pm, mistressjustice said:
…Will every DOW drop and layoff be blamed on Obama?

No. During Obama’s administration, anything bad will be blamed on George Bush. Anything good will be credited to Obama.
#534652

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:51 pm, cyrebus said:

Hope Sarah doesn’t go on Oprah or any other liberal show, since the elections over.
#534668

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:55 pm, FilmLadd said:

On November 6th, 2008 at 4:51 pm, cyrebus said:

Hope Sarah doesn’t go on Oprah or any other liberal show, since the elections over.

She’s not stupid.