On November 7th, 2008 at 12:40 pm, NJ-Aviator said:
I can’t recall the other extremist measure that also sent packing, but it was inline with these two.

The legalization of prostitution lost by a 58-42 margin.

Well, can you imagine how you would feel if you were gay and were told by JTROC that you wouldn’t be allowed join unlike everyone else in your class? Just think about it.

Omu, here we go again. Have you ever served in the Armed Forces? I ask because it has an impact on how you think about having gays serve in the military alongside straights.

I served for 22 years. During my time at DaNang AB in Vietnam I ‘bunked’ in one of two rooms with 11 other men and we had one toilet, one sink and one shower to share between us. We were on different schedules with some of us flying the ‘early’ go with a 0245 briefing and 0415 takeoff while others had the ‘late’ go with an 1800 brief and 1930 takeoff. You met yourself coming and going with your days determined by the flying schedule, not when the sun came up or went down. We were constantly on the go with virtually NO privacy. You had to use the toilet, shave and take a shower when you could. More often than not you shared the bathroom with at least one other person, sometimes two and even three when someone was shaving at the sink while someone brushed their teeth (the other two conveniences being occupied by a lone person).

Now, let me introduce a gay person into that scenario. It could be someone who is happily ‘married’ to a life partner who alleges they are not going to have wandering eyes — or affections. Do you think they would ‘look’ given the opportunity? I daresay, they would. How does that make the straight person feel? Pretty uncomfortable, wouldn’t you think.

If you say that it shouldn’t or wouldn’t, then you should agree it is OK to bunk a married heterosexual male in a room full of females. If he states he is happily married and won’t have wandering eyes, then none of the women should feel uncomfortable being looked upon by someone of the opposite sex who is a practicing heterosexual, should they?

Granted, JROTC is just an introductory class in HS. It doesn’t involve being deployed and living under less than ideal conditions. However, like the thread we were both involved with re. Prop 8, it starts us down a slippery slope. Let the camel’s nose under the tent in a peacetime military (or a peacetime arm of the military) and then it will be applicable across the board.

Perhaps one of those females sharing a room with that straight male could be one of your own daughters. How would that strike you? I know it wouldn’t pass muster in my household!

–Thucydides

But then, I’m taking a lunch.

The green meanies are probably very upset with that and will commit a few environmental arson revenges to prove their anger.

I was briefly in NJROTC in high school and wondered if it was still allowed.
It is one of the few classes I can remember, good stuff.

I did not learn to hate gays in that class or any others. However I would have been horrified with them teaching me it was normal and acceptable behavior like they do now.

Personally, I believe what gays do is their business and I think it is a private matter. I understand that some people are attracted to their own gender. Making it a public issue has forced people to take sides on an issue that most people are not affected by.
Keeping your private life, private, is a good idea in general, but in the military the need is pronounced.

What has happened now though is special interests is trumping the rights of the majority to have a differing opinion and trying to criminalize it.

Using the excuse of gay rights being threatened by JROTC programs, or scouting is pathetic.

In other words, they can’t get it wrong ALL the time.

Make no mistake, they’ll get back to screwing up things soon.

On November 7th, 2008 at 3:19 pm, Omu said:

That is the problem – libs “think” with feelings instead of facts.
We honestly don’t give a rip about your feelings Omu. Personally I’d prefer the “feeling” of satisfaction of doing a job well or poorly and reaping the results than the feeling of helplessness and equal misery.

On November 7th, 2008 at 2:46 pm, Jacob Hammond #22 said:

It amazes me that a church whose main message is peace and civility is target for retribution and hate mongering from a group that claims all it want is peace and equality.

Since the Fall this has been known, reaffirmed by Jesus Christ Himself.

Hey, AZNeanderthal! I’m also flying the Gadsden flag.

tuffy
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That Every Man Be Armed–You Too ladies

Which is more useful to a child, ROTC or ethnic studies?

Hey, AZNeanderthal! I’m also flying the Gadsden flag.