Obama-pimping teacher: “I should not have said that”

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 8, 2008 10:55 AM

Here’s a very disturbing update to the very disturbing video of Diatha Harris, the Obama-supporting teacher in Cumberland County, N.C. caught on tape hectoring a girl over her support for John McCain Harris now says “she should not have said that.” The student, Cathy Thompson, and her parents don’t want to see her punished.

Why?

Because that’s how the teacher always behaves!

Crikey:

The Cumberland County school system is investigating the actions of a former Asheville teacher criticized for “belittling” a student who voiced support for presidential candidate John McCain.
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But the parents of that student, and the student herself, said Friday that teacher Diantha Harris did nothing wrong.

“She is usually messing around,” said Cathy Thompson, who was in Harris’ fifth-grade class in May when a Swedish film crew visited for a documentary on American politics. “When she said that, I knew she was messing around.”

What Harris said sparked the ire of conservative bloggers this week after a clip of her from the film “From Bill to Barack” made its way to YouTube. The film aired Monday on Finland’s Swedish language Channel 5…

…Cumberland County is home to Fort Bragg and the 82nd Airborne.

Cathy Thompson said Friday she wasn’t upset at the time. Her parents, Angela Moore and Army Staff Sgt. Robert Thompson, also said they weren’t mad at the teacher.

Moore said her daughter never mentioned feeling as if she was being picked on.

“Mrs. Harris is always active with the children like that,” Moore said. “I have sat in her class when my Cathy was a student, and she was very active with the children. She tries to get them involved with everything.”

Robert Thompson said when he first watched the clip Friday, he understood why some would see it as Harris trying to change his daughter’s mind.

But after hearing Harris’ side and talking with his daughter, he now thinks Harris is “getting a rough deal.”

If parents think Harris’s behavior constitutes acceptable “education,” we are even more screwed than I thought.

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More: Reader Will Amos sends a link to this WRAL video of Harris and Cathy appearing on TV together. Harris plays the victim card to full tilt.
She apologizes for the “Your daddy could be in Iraq for 100 years” remark, but insists she did not inject her personal politics into the classroom.

Exclaiming “Oh, Jesus, McCain!” is apparently an expression of neutrality.

I agree with her on one thing: People should stop calling the school district at this point. The superintendent has spoken and he is investigating.

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  1. #537521
    On November 8th, 2008 at 2:55 pm, Boomer said:

    PKAmmoTroop #70 I thought about going Troops to Teacher’s too, but couldn’t believe all the classes I would have to go back to college to earn a teaching certificate. I busted my butt to get a Manufacturing Engineering degree from Southern Illinois University at Carbondale from the satellite campus program at Travis AFB. Some how I carried a full load while working a full time job thanks to the support of my wife and son managing to graduate cumulate without losing my mind. I was also an Instructor Boom Operator able to teach and certify anyone to refuel another aircraft in-flight, ran training programs after being grounded to ensure Airmen and NCOs progressed in the appropriate Air Force skill level required for further career progression, and as a simple servant wrote the lesson plan for the Cost Per Flying Program for Air Force Financial courses taught at the School House at Kessler AFB, but I would still have to take their core classes before I could be certified to teach little Johnny or Jane.

    I didn’t even think about having to deal with a Union. I won’t even talk to the folks at the Air Force Government Employees Local on base even though I could join if I wanted to. It makes me appreciate working for the Air Force again. Although our experiences with the teaching industry does explain why it is so hard to find good competent teachers in our state run school system.

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh) Translation: Come and take them!

  2. #537525
    On November 8th, 2008 at 3:09 pm, right_on said:

    Is it any wonder that so many “educated” people are actually so stupid, when they are taught by teachers like Harris. Accent aside, she can’t even use proper English to communicate her thoughts.

    The lack of even basic common sense escapes the little girl’s mother. For her to repeat that “Ms. Harris was right…”My husband might be in the military another hundred years…” is beyond ignorant. Not to mention that the teacher’s assertion was a distortion of what Sen. McCain actually said about Iraq involvement. How ironic!

    Finally, “the video was edited” to portray her in a bad light? She said what she said regardless of any editing. Now if it was a “cut and paste” job, she would have an argument about context. No apology offered for her demonstrations after the students “McCain” answers, though. That’s what bothered me the most.

  3. #537526
    On November 8th, 2008 at 3:13 pm, TXRose said:

    Boomer, a couple of years ago, the state of TX declared that all teachers in the
    HS systems across the state MUST take competency tests. In other words, Math
    teachers had to be competent in their specialty, and so on. There was a teacher, shown on the news, in the Dallas ISD that took her test somewhere over 50 times and could not pass it. Finally, around the 54th time she “squeaked” through and barely made a passing grade. Now this was not a young teacher but a woman who had been teaching for at least two decades.
    She was interviewed and tried to portray herself as the victim. She said that
    because she was Black she was given a harder test. When that didn’t fly, she said that the Math problems were “too new” and she had not had time to study.
    She also tried to say that they only interviewed her because she was Black
    and had failed the test so many times and where was a White teacher who
    had failed the test. I don’t know what criteria was used (other than the amount of times she failed) to decide to interview her, but it was sickening.
    If I had young children today I would home school.

  4. #537527
    On November 8th, 2008 at 3:14 pm, Hangfire said:

    Perhaps the BAV (Black American Vernacular) is acceptable everywhere now, and the teacher is simply bi-lingual.

  5. #537532
    On November 8th, 2008 at 3:21 pm, tonyr951 said:

    If she is comfortable saying this in front of a camera crew it’s scary to think what she is saying to these kids when they are alone.

  6. #537533
    On November 8th, 2008 at 3:22 pm, TXRose said:

    I remember bringing newspaper or magazines clippings to school (back in the
    dark ages) about current events. I do not ever remember hearing a teacher,
    until I was a Senior in HS (and that was, if you are old enough to vote-Vote!),
    ever giving a personal opinion on the what we were discussing, except for my
    science teacher in the 4th grade. Her husband was a weather man and she used to tell us stories about his work and how she felt about what he did. She also took us to her home to see his “homemade” back yard weather stations and let us lie in the grass in the school yard while we drew clouds on dark blue construction paper, with white chalk. But I digress…that was my only year in public school and it was in AZ.
    I guess that I either lucked out or the AZ and South TX public and Catholic
    schools were better back then.

  7. #537535
    On November 8th, 2008 at 3:25 pm, Boomer said:

    TXRose #99 my wife has plans to quit working when our granddaughter is old enough for home schooling. She turns 1 year old on 13 December and it is amazing how quickly she absorbs what we have been teaching her already. We don’t want her ability to learn damaged or other kids holding her back by having to be in the failing public school system. Thanks for sharing about Dallas school system I have a brother that lives in McKinney, TX and he and his wife plan to keep them in private school.

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh) Translation: Come and take them!

  8. #537536
    On November 8th, 2008 at 3:29 pm, Helene said:

    Amazing! Ms. Harris is the victim. She’s taped being a bully and somehow the tape was “edited.”

    This little girl’s parents are being gracious, publicly. They may not believe that they have a choice. They may want to get their daughter out of the spotlight.

    When my daughter was in high school, a bunch of bullies beat up one of the students during a basketball game. The student’s mother gave me a song and dance about how deprived the bullies were, they were victims, etc. It was easy forher to say that because she was not the one taken to the emergency room, did not have to return to the high school, etc. I was more enraged than the mother of the boy. I never spoke to her again.

    Her son is now 28,still lives at home and is unable to hold a job. I sometimes wonder if things would be different if his mother had been more supportive when he was younger.

    Wrong is wrong is wrong. Everyone in that school sees that the teacher is getting off the hook with fake tears. All of the kids see that this behavior is ok, as long as you cry. They also know that their grades are on the line if they complain. The parents know that this lady will attack anyone at anytime. This is not new behavior.

    Teachers are leaders. People expect them to behave as leaders. The kids will follow her example.

    My prayers for the little girl.

  9. #537541
    On November 8th, 2008 at 3:42 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Question;
    What do public school teachers make for ten months work? I’ve been out of the loop to long. Can’t we attract decent people?

  10. #537542
    On November 8th, 2008 at 3:44 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    LOL, so I got spun up a while ago and gave my teenager a basic course on ‘Supply and Demand curves’, ‘micro/macro economics’ and ‘commodities/substitues’.

    She held in there and didnt glaze over until about 30 minutes in.

    I used our new Wii game system, our food pantry and the current economic situation as our real-life examples.

    Side note:
    Im thinking about taking her to watch the Electoral College vote if it is open to the public.

    ————————————
    4. Hold the Meeting of Electors
    On the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December (December 15, 2008), the electors meet in their respective States. The State legislature may designate where in the State the meeting will take place, usually in the State capital. At this meeting, the electors cast their votes for President and Vice President.
    —————————————-

  11. #537547
    On November 8th, 2008 at 3:55 pm, sandyb said:

    It takes a special kind of personality to homeschool and even though I would love to, I know I don’t have the patience and am not cut out for it.

    What I DID do is read non-stop to my kids from the first day they came home from the hospital. Librarians grimaced when they saw me coming. It was nothing to get 75 books out on a Monday and come back for another load on Wednesday.

    My kids are in gifted classes — although I’ve seen and heard some troubling stuff that makes me want to pull them out of there. The only people around me that can afford to send their kids to private/parochial schools are doctors and lawyers — of which I am neither.

    I was a Journalism major and could teach kids about writing all day long, but when it comes to math and science, I would doubt my abilities. I’ve heard of home-schooling co-ops (the closest is about 30 miles away) that rotate subjects among parents, thus giving students the best-qualified teacher for each subject. If I could find a deal like that, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

    Maybe we could find enough retired conservative teachers to build a network for premium education at the grassroots level? Perhaps it could run on some type of barter system or $$ to the teachers. Can you imagine what a nationwide coalition like this would do to state-run schools?

  12. #537548
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:00 pm, FamilyMan said:

    sandyb said :Can you imagine what a nationwide coalition like this would do to state-run schools?

    Great idea!

  13. #537551
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:21 pm, TXRose said:

    My sister in Moore, OK is currently homeschooling her youngest. She is
    now 16 and has been homeschooled since she was 8. Prior to that she
    was in private school and even there had a teacher that absolutely would
    not say a kind word to her. I don’t know whether it was because my sister is such a beautiful, young looking Grandmother and this teacher is
    someone with “old” genes, who looks 50 at 35 or if it was my niece and
    something about her that angered the woman but when my sister and bil
    complained the school would not even talk to the teacher. That’s when
    they decided to homeschool. My sister takes classes and has a network
    that she works with on lesson plans. My niece takes tests at regular
    intervals and is doing great! They also have a support network through
    their church and other avenues so that she doesn’t miss out on a social
    life with her peers. This is the second child she has homeschooled.
    I did the thing with the books also, and to this day my one dil despairs of
    ever getting rid of all the books we all have between us.

  14. #537553
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, bluesoc said:

    Wait. You’re saying the parents don’t care and the student doesn’t care, so why do you care?

    You’re creating a controversy to serve your own agenda. Leave it alone.

  15. #537555
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:27 pm, TXRose said:

    Sandyb…it would have to be older teachers. When I listen to the news and
    the way the talking heads mangle the English language and listen to young
    people talk and what they do to the language….
    Did you know that you borrow people money? That you took’n, or bought’n
    just to name two.
    I heard a young man try to explain (he was eating lunch at a table next to
    mine) what his girlfriend’s puppy did to her apartment and he finally came up
    (trying to be delicate, I guess) with…he fecallated all over the room!
    You should hear what I have heard in sessions!

  16. #537556
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:28 pm, William Amos said:

    The really sad thing is that this teacher is victimizing this little girl a second time. First by berating her in class and second by having her sit there and defend the teacher for what the TEACHER said.

    To literally go there and ask that little girl and her family to bail her out of the mess she created is doubly sad.

  17. #537560
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:32 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    I dont know if its coincidence or that I should be paranoid, but about two minutes after I posted the link to the Electoral College site, it looks like the website crashed.

    It could have been that two of us did it, OR its the 1000 lurkers out there that I had no idea about until this past week. ;)

    There were peoples screennames that popped up that I hadnt seen in a year or two! I have to remember that I read this site for a couple of years myself before I was added to the site also.

    Oh BTW, if the site crashed, since its a .gov link, dont fully expect it to be back up until Tue. I’ll repost the link later for others to read on Monday.

  18. #537563
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:35 pm, Milwaukee Mike said:

    Cathy Thompson said Friday she wasn’t upset at the time. Her parents, Angela Moore and Army Staff Sgt. Robert Thompson, also said they weren’t mad at the teacher.

    BHO’s thugs probably got to them and said he may not be in Iraq for 100 years, but arrangements could be made for a less desirable position if he doesn’t help put out this fire.

    I know, but I’m just trying out my new tin foil hat for conservatives I just received in the mail.

  19. #537564
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:37 pm, joannmandolin said:

    Back when I was in high school (1977)
    my civics teacher always referred to Jimmy Carter as a ‘weak sister’.

    Dude was right!!

  20. #537565
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:40 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:26 pm, bluesoc said:

    Wait. You’re saying the parents don’t care and the student doesn’t care, so why do you care?

    If you have to ask the question then you’re part of the problem.

    Parents need to care. But constructively, not with ‘My little Johnny is always innocent, keep your hands off of him’.

    Parents have let the education system disintegrate over the last generation or so. Its time to recapture it. All of these millions of dollars from lotteries and increased taxes that are designated specifically to the education funds BUT even so, our education system is worse now than in the 1960’s.

    10 million dollar school buildings, increased testing, metric studies and diversity B.S. are nowhere near as important as a parent just taking the time to be interested in their own childrens education on a DAILY basis.

  21. #537566
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:41 pm, TXRose said:

    Here’s a new story on the Minnesota recount for Coleman vs Franken.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/11/22028.php?format=print

  22. #537569
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:47 pm, CJ said:

    I was a Journalism major and could teach kids about writing all day long, but when it comes to math and science, I would doubt my abilities.

    Some thoughts on this (in no particular order).

    1. How old are your kids? If they are high school, then I could see where this might be an issue. But if they are in grade school, then no one would be asking you to teach them physics or calculus this year. One of the greatest things about homeschooling is giving yourself the education you never had. (I still resent the way the government schools cheated me.) Most any competent adult can teach elementary math and science — and then learn with your kids as they get more advanced.

    2. Depending on the school, their public school teachers may not be that much more prepared than you. I know I had a least one science teacher with a degree in agricultural education. And my calculus teacher was given the class at last minute. Yes, he had studied calculus — in college 20 years earlier. We kind of learned (or in his case, re-learned) together. (I also had a trig teacher that was pretty bad. But if a girl wore her blouses with enough buttons open, she could get a good grade …)

    3. There are many ways to homeschool without being the actual teacher, particularly for upper level courses. There are video classes, Internet classes, as you mentioned, co-op classes, and college classes.

  23. #537571
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:48 pm, limmo said:

    How do these children’s test scores look? Are they scoring at grade level or above? Do they understand math concepts? Can they program the computer using simple programming language? Can they speak conversationally in other languages or read and write in Enlish, Spanish and/or Cantonese? Can they explain characteristics of invertebrates, point to Japan or Togo on a map? Australia? Do they know whether Canada is north or south of the US and where the Atlantic Ocean is located? Do they know anything about DNA? What can they tell us about American Government, US or that in their own state? Can they name their governor, US Senators and Representatives? Can they name our current Vice President? Do they know what the Bill of Rights is? Have they read the constitution in school? Do they know parts of speach and punctuation? Can they write a good letter or a compelling story? Can they draw using perspective, paint mixing colors from the primaries or compose and score simple music? Have they read Shakespeare, or Barack Obama? Can they name the Supreme Court Justices? Do they know who Clarence Thomas is? These kids are in Grade 5. In eight years, they will be headed for college. On what planet would any DECENT teacher waste one second propagandizing with so much for them to learn in order to be compentent, successful and productive once they leave school, when the clock is ticking for these children, for their futures and for us as a society. I don’t care what kind of pity party this awful woman throws. Cathy doesn’t look happy to me in any of those videos, but oh well. I don’t care whether her parents support this teacher or not. Anyone looking at that video can see the abuse, bullying and indoctrination going on. Ms Harris should not be in the classroom PERIOD. No way, no how.

  24. #537574
    On November 8th, 2008 at 4:55 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    2. Depending on the school, their public school teachers may not be that much more prepared than you.

    I think the general rule (and Im not kidding) is that you only have to be one day smater than your students.

    ——————

    now Im paranoid :shock: ~ two minutes after I posted the .gov web site was down, its BACK UP (by the power vested in me by MM…!!)

  25. #537580
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:09 pm, bluesoc said:

    If you have to ask the question then you’re part of the problem.

    I’m part of the problem because I think I think the parents and student are in the best position to make a judgment about this encounter? Call it a hunch, but I think the parents probably know their child and the teacher better than Michelle Malkin and are better able to put the incident in the correct context.

    Would you prefer federal oversight on all schools to make judgments on such situations? Personally, I think we should leave it up to parents to determine what is appropriate in the classroom. I also think my view better embodies conservative principles.

  26. #537585
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:14 pm, bruins90210 said:

    She says the film crew “pacifically” asked her to discus the election. I guess it’s too much to expect an elementary teacher to know that the word is “specifically.”

  27. #537586
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:15 pm, bruins90210 said:

    oops, typo on “discuss”

  28. #537587
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:16 pm, Old Scout said:

    Everyone has a right to a quality public education.

    Why should anybody have this right taken away from them by inept adminstrators and teachers?

    If we’re passive and isolated, we’ll have these rights taken away from our children.

    Don’t let the schools get away with this. Complaints from organized groups of parents can’t be ignored.

    If Ms. Harris can’t be fired, then it would be nice if the parents got the right to visit her classes while she’s on probation.

  29. #537588
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:17 pm, William Amos said:

    I’m part of the problem because I think I think the parents and student are in the best position to make a judgment about this encounter?

    You mean to say that we cant watch tht video and make our own judgements ? Or that we have to accept what the child believes and an adult who is playing the vitim right now ?

    Keep in mind the parents werent there as well.

  30. #537591
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:20 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    I am shocked that the parents don’t care about what they saw on the tape. If that passes for “normal” in a public school classroom it means things are even worse than I ever imagined.

    This one episode adds about a dozen more reasons to the now near-infinite list why my children have never spent a day in public schools. If someone were to browbeat my kids like that they would regret it for the rest of their very brief career.

    Nobody can tell me what the woman did wasn’t WRONG. Switch the name from Obama to McCain or Barr or Baldwin or Keyes and that teacher would have been out of work the very next day. If leftists didn’t have double standards they would have no standards at all.

  31. #537597
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:09 pm, bluesoc said:

    I’m part of the problem because I think I think the parents and student are in the best position to make a judgment about this encounter?

    This is one of those parsing of the question things, sort of on the order of ‘the definition of is’.

    Your question was:
    1) You’re saying the parents don’t care
    2) the student doesn’t care,
    3) so why do you care?

    Exactly. Thats why we care (because there is a problem).

    Then:
    ) Would you prefer federal oversight on all schools to make judgments on such situations?

    So you made a giant leap from a classroom issue, (bypassing local school board/teachers union/state) to a federal issue (Legislative, Dept of Ed or NEA). The Federal government already has its hands too deep into the classroom. The government has already said ‘you will teach xyx to this proficiency and the parents will not have a direct influence into what is taught inside the classroom’.

    Most parents do not care, which is why this country is in the shape that it is.

    Fortunately, some parents care, even if it on this blog.

  32. #537598
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, bluesoc said:

    You mean to say that we cant watch tht video and make our own judgements ? Or that we have to accept what the child believes and an adult who is playing the vitim right now ?

    Keep in mind the parents werent there as well.

    Sure you can make your own judgments. I just think the parents are in a far superior position to make such judgments.

    Michelle was originally upset because she thought the teacher was abusing the child. The parents do not feel that way, and the child does not feel that way, so perhaps they know something we don’t. Either that, or they are incredibly stupid.

  33. #537600
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:29 pm, TXRose said:

    Limmo, colleges and universities are really working to get home schooled
    students in their schools. They are scoring so much higher than most of
    the public school students and higher than a lot of private school students. Could be that they are benefiting from the “smaller” classes or
    that there are no distractions like there are in public schools or that the
    parents don’t have an agenda other than teaching their children. Whatever it is, in most cases, it is working.

  34. #537602
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:32 pm, Les in NC said:

    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, bluesoc said:

    I will simply say that if it was my daughter or if I had seen one of her teachers behave like that, I would take Oblahblah’s advice and get in her face!

  35. #537604
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:33 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    The parents do not feel that way, and the child does not feel that way, so perhaps they know something we don’t. Either that, or they are incredibly stupid.

    Too large of a leap in arguement (so in ascending order

    0) Lessor arguments
    *1) They know something we dont
    2) Median arguments
    3) Nieve
    4) Ignorant
    5) Stupid
    * 6) Incredibly stupid
    7) We’re racist
    8) More intense arguments

  36. #537605
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:33 pm, bluesoc said:

    So you made a giant leap from a classroom issue, (bypassing local school board/teachers union/state) to a federal issue (Legislative, Dept of Ed or NEA). The Federal government already has its hands too deep into the classroom. The government has already said ‘you will teach xyx to this proficiency and the parents will not have a direct influence into what is taught inside the classroom’.

    Most parents do not care, which is why this country is in the shape that it is.

    Fortunately, some parents care, even if it on this blog.

    I don’t think the leap was that great. My problem with the federal government meddling on local levels is that they are not in the best position to make such judgments.

    You are not directly invovled in this situation, and I’m going to assume that it did not take place in your local area. How are you possibly in a better position than the parents to make a judgment in this situation?

    By creating this outrage, you are basically asserting pressure in a local issue in which you do not belong. The only difference between this and federal oversite is that you are bypassing the government and doing the same work directly.

  37. #537606
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:34 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    LOL == > 8 ) not 8)

  38. #537607
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:38 pm, TXRose said:

    bluesoc, the parents more than likely do not want their child singled out because they
    may have seen a previous incident(s) where this happened and the child eventually had
    to leave the school because he/she did not have one peaceful day at school after the
    incident. I have seen it happen and I have seen the consequences. Children will
    happily bully a child that a teacher(s) is down on. The teacher gives them, at least,
    tacit permission to go after that child. My children have come home telling me about
    these sorts of incidences and even though they did not include my children, I have still
    checked into them and made noise. Sometimes the parents are too passive or even too timid to speak out. Other times, they don’t know because the child doesn’t want to
    “be a rat.” We have gotten them stopped, and in one town the teacher was let go
    because she was racist. She did not like Mexican children at all. The teacher was
    was a bully, and she encouraged the children in her class to be bullies. She had no
    business being a teacher!

  39. #537618
    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:50 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    You are not directly invovled in this situation, and I’m going to assume that it did not take place in your local area. How are you possibly in a better position than the parents to make a judgment in this situation?

    Im not with this exact situation, and I personally have not made a direct positional statement on this thread as to pro or con. If outside influence without government directive is an overall positive influence in order to advance discourse, then its a good thing. Maybe the outcome is only that these parents will be more involved from now on.

    If this is just to ‘get a teacher fired’ then I am not in favor of attacking the teacher.

    —————

    You cant refer back to my post #85

    On November 8th, 2008 at 2:10 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    This whole video was normal (minus the politics) for my education in Texas from Headstart through 5th grade. Fortunatley it was the exception, not the norm, from 6th through 12th.

    I have intimate knowledge from within the educational system itself. I wont describe to that detail, just know Im not taking about having ‘gone to public school’. As a generality, I know how it works, plays and flows at almost all levels.

  40. #537643
    On November 8th, 2008 at 6:29 pm, rambler said:

    The bullying aside, the fact that this woman graduated from college and was hired as a teacher speaks volumes about how public schools have gone into the dumper.

  41. #537658
    On November 8th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, TiminPhx said:

    If her dad is doing this in part to help his standing with his “new boss” he doesn’t deserve to wear the uniform.

    I hope this is simply the parent’s misguided attempt to shield their daughter from some form of payback.

    I have to admit I didn’t want my wife to be driving around with our daughter, having a McCain bumpersticker.

    We all know how whack out most of the left is.

  42. #537673
    On November 8th, 2008 at 8:03 pm, Joy said:

    This woman can’t even speak English. How is it that she is teaching?

    I can imagine the parents would be frightened for their child in the current atmosphere. And being military they can’t move anytime they please.

  43. #537674
    On November 8th, 2008 at 8:14 pm, mightysamurai said:

    You know, to tell the truth, I actually don’t think she intended to bully the kid. I think she just fell prey to a common slip-up among teachers: thinking you can talk to a child in the same way you would talk to an adult.

    Think about it. If this woman had said the exact same thing to an adult, would we consider that “bullying”? Of course not. But children are different. They’re inherently more emotional, and far more easily intimidated. If you exposed a child to the kind of heated argument you find on most political blogs they would be a puddle of tears inside of a minute. So it’s not so much that she’s a bully, it’s that she’s a bad teacher.

    A good teacher would have known better than to do something like this. A good teacher would have known that you have to be more sensitive when you’re dealing with children (the younger the child, the more sensitive you have to be).

    And of course, it goes without saying that a good teacher would never inject their own political biases into the classroom this way. It would be one thing if she were playing Devil’s Advocate against the class consensus, but that isn’t what this woman did. She was clearly trying to push her personal ideology on her students. Doubleplusungood indeed.

  44. #537678
    On November 8th, 2008 at 8:19 pm, BuckNutty said:

    #138 Joy

    Bingo, that is exactly what I thought, and sadly think about a lot of teachers. How can you be a teacher if you can’t speak proper english. When I was a kid (I’m 40) we had to speak proper english in every class or we would be reprimanded.

    If they let people like this teach kids, there will be no english language in 20 years.

  45. #537679
    On November 8th, 2008 at 8:23 pm, SoCal said:

    How can you be a teacher if you can’t speak proper english. When I was a kid (I’m 40) we had to speak proper english in every class or we would be reprimanded.

    If they let people like this teach kids, there will be no english language in 20 years.

    English” is always capitalized…..

  46. #537683
    On November 8th, 2008 at 8:40 pm, TiminPhx said:

    Elipses should be used only in groups of 3, not ……

    Going after someone’s grammar or spelling on a blog should be avoided………………….. As someone who can’t spell, I hold this very dear …………. and ………

  47. #537684
    On November 8th, 2008 at 8:46 pm, d1carter said:

    If the school district board does not protect this poor little girl, then the phone calls and emails should rain down upon them.

  48. #537687
    On November 8th, 2008 at 8:52 pm, SoCal said:

    Elipses should be used only in groups of 3

    A group of three elipses would look like this……… They should be used in “groups” of one…

    Also, spell out numbers of one hundred or less..

  49. #537689
    On November 8th, 2008 at 9:06 pm, SoCal said:

    I’m just kidding, I don’ got no idea of how grammers shud be dun.

  50. #537691
    On November 8th, 2008 at 9:10 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    I have worked with people in their 30s who supposedly have college degrees and they cannot write a sentence, much less a paragraph, without multiple spelling, grammatical and even errors in logic. In the day of the word processor with automatic spell checking this is inexplicable and inexcusable.

    Public schools are much more concerned with “self esteem” than teaching. Well, they are concerned wit the “self esteem” of little liberals. Obviously the aren’t quite so concerned about the self esteem of little conservatives.

  51. #537693
    On November 8th, 2008 at 9:14 pm, Micheleeroo said:

    This teacher needs a re-calibration of what decency and thoughtful discussion means.

  52. #537695
    On November 8th, 2008 at 9:28 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On November 8th, 2008 at 9:14 pm, Micheleeroo said:
    This teacher needs a re-calibration of what decency and thoughtful discussion means.

    To the Left doing whatever is needed to turn a class into right minded thinking is the “decent” thing to do. Those who are not right-minded are not deserving of a thoughtful discussion becasue they are stupid.

    Those are the rules. We need to remember them, when we interact with The Left.

  53. #537702
    On November 8th, 2008 at 10:05 pm, mightysamurai said:

    To the Left doing whatever is needed to turn a class into right minded thinking is the “decent” thing to do.

    But that’s just it. They don’t see it as “turning” anyone. As far as they’re concerned, all they’re doing is telling the truth. They think their views are “moderate”.

  54. #537719
    On November 8th, 2008 at 10:32 pm, TXRose said:

    The left only believes in freedom of speech if what you
    are saying is what they want to hear. No dissent.

  55. #537784
    On November 9th, 2008 at 12:32 am, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On November 8th, 2008 at 9:10 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    I have worked with people in their 30s who supposedly have college degrees and they cannot write a sentence, much less a paragraph, without multiple spelling, grammatical and even errors in logic. In the day of the word processor with automatic spell checking this is inexplicable and inexcusable.

    Engineers are always exempt from this policy! :)

    On my daughters school assignments, even when a question would normally just expect a sentence fragment, I have her write in complete sentences. (Repeat the question, then answer the question)

    If she has an assignment such as a ‘100′ word paragraph then I tell her to expect to double it (i.e. ‘200′ words) and then if its less than ‘200′ its a bonus.

    If her assignment is an essay, then I have her type it into MS Word and then do a grammer check with the statistical analysis turned on also.

    Re: the comment about elipses… wait for it… wait for it………..

  56. #537799
    On November 9th, 2008 at 1:04 am, happy2behere said:

    Not directly involved, no. But if we can believe what we saw in that video, you cannot get away from the fact that the teacher’s behavior was very unprofessional. If it were me, I would not wimp out like these so-called parents and I would demand appropriate action be taken.

  57. #537814
    On November 9th, 2008 at 3:07 am, graysonret said:

    You know, the schools are banning kickball, dodgeball and tag on the playgrounds because they are afraid of bullies. Seems to me the bullies are the ones with the chalkboard erasers.

    From Education Watch International. I agree, Dr. John Ray.

  58. #537835
    On November 9th, 2008 at 7:09 am, flaming_o said:

    On November 8th, 2008 at 1:06 pm, simcoe said:

    If classmates see the class leader ridiculing another student in the classroom and in front of them, they think its OK for them to do the same…and children can be merciless toward one another.

    A perfect example of how our educational system indoctrinates our children in the fine art of “otherizing”.

  59. #537836
    On November 9th, 2008 at 7:14 am, jedijson said:

    Hmmm… I wonder if it was just a slip of the tongue, then? Instead of saying “Oh, John McCain,” she said “Oh, Jesus McCain”????

    Wow! Someone who actually called him the Messiah…

  60. #537838
    On November 9th, 2008 at 7:25 am, flaming_o said:

    On November 8th, 2008 at 5:33 pm, bluesoc said:

    You are not directly invovled in this situation, and I’m going to assume that it did not take place in your local area. How are you possibly in a better position than the parents to make a judgment in this situation?

    By creating this outrage, you are basically asserting pressure in a local issue in which you do not belong.

    We spend a lot of time on this blog commenting on issues in which we are not locally involved. Otherwise the blog would not exist. We’re not here talking about ourselves. We’re talking about the country and our perception of it going down the toilet. Besides . . .

    Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Martin Luther King Jr.

  61. #537845
    On November 9th, 2008 at 8:17 am, cheetah44 said:

    So, now I know part of the reason kids aren’t learning anything in school these days! They have imbeciles for teachers.

  62. #537847
    On November 9th, 2008 at 8:52 am, Connect the Dots said:

    Apparently, this teacher’s strong suit is Ebonics.

    This, unfortunately, is the typical speech pattern of African Americans, whether they be teachers or not.

    Reminds me of an old joke…

    What did OJ Simpson say when his son requested help with homework?
    “Go ax your mother.”

  63. #537857
    On November 9th, 2008 at 9:37 am, Dimsdale said:

    I teach in a small college, and I would never do the sort of thing this “teacher” did. And I am dealing with alleged adults! The most I might do in an idle conversation is play devil’s advocate, but still keep my opinions to myself

    I am going to be my daughter’s teachers worst nightmare, reviewing her books and asking what she learned every day.

  64. #537868
    On November 9th, 2008 at 10:02 am, Bogtrotter said:

    Nothing at will happen as a result of any “investigation”. In the new age that is just beginning to take the teacher to task in any meaningful way would be labeled “racist”.

  65. #538028
    On November 9th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, Babs said:

    SandyB @ 3:55 PM,
    That is exactly how we ran our Webelos pack.
    I swear the boys got more out of Webelos than they did public ed. during that time.
    If you want to teach your children about gov’t, get a Webelos handbook and see what they expect in order to earn the badge. Then, do it!
    The cr*pola on the video is disgusting and only serves to point out the low level of “education” being dished out to young minds.
    I think the parents want to get the spotlight off this issue because they don’t want to end up like JTP. They are probably checking their options, very quietly, to get their daughter out of that classroom.

  66. #538038
    On November 9th, 2008 at 1:49 pm, sfcmac said:

    “She is usually messing around,” said Cathy Thompson, who was in Harris’ fifth-grade class in May when a Swedish film crew visited for a documentary on American politics. “When she said that, I knew she was messing around.”

    Yeah, she was ‘only messing around’ when she insulted the kid and her dad’s service.

    Bet she ‘messes around’ like that only with a select group of students. Three guesses as to which ethnicity, first two don’t count.

  67. #538042
    On November 9th, 2008 at 1:56 pm, sandyb said:

    WarEagle82 said:
    I have worked with people in their 30s who supposedly have college degrees and they cannot write a sentence, much less a paragraph, without multiple spelling, grammatical and even errors in logic. In the day of the word processor with automatic spell checking this is inexplicable and inexcusable.

    Which reminds me — did Aunt Estah’s college thesis, rumored to be written on a 6th-grade level, ever come to light?

  68. #538054
    On November 9th, 2008 at 2:08 pm, sandyb said:

    TXRose said:
    Sandyb…it would have to be older teachers. When I listen to the news and
    the way the talking heads mangle the English language and listen to young
    people talk and what they do to the language….

    I’m with you there. I remember hearing a retired teacher discussing her re-entry to the classroom as a sub following years of retirement. She said that in the 50s, when she was in her prime, she could read stories to her class for 40 minutes and they hung in with her. Today, she was shocked by the lack of attention after a few minutes.

    Of the super achievers and national merit scholar I know, the parents were adamant about no TV in the house or TV only for national emergencies.

    I don’t know how it got through the MSM, but a couple years ago, it was widely reported when pediatricians came out against TV — any kind of TV — for babies and toddlers. The quick dissolves interfere with brain synapse development according to them.

    And the most cogent argument I heard was, “How are black words on a white page ever going to compete with full-color, full-sound, split-second image changes when it comes time to read?

  69. #538056
    On November 9th, 2008 at 2:11 pm, bluesoc said:

    Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Martin Luther King Jr.

    But no one directly involved thinks that it’s an injustice. The only people to think that are posting on conservative blogs.

    Sometimes I think Michelle gets paid by how much she raises her readers’ blood pressure. A positive post is a rare thing around these parts.

  70. #538073
    On November 9th, 2008 at 2:38 pm, Helene said:

    Just wondering. What subject was the “teacher” teaching when this happened? Was it civics? Government? Science? Math? Literature? No one’s mentioned that.

    Also, why in the blue blazes did the principle permit a political rally on the school campus during the day? If a pro-Obama was permitted, why was this not balanced with a pro-McCain rally?

    The teacher was pushing an agenda. This is wrong for any professional to do on the job.

    Still disgusted.

  71. #538087
    On November 9th, 2008 at 3:07 pm, havok said:

    I’m so glad I home-school my kids through the Idaho Virtual Acedemy. Stories like this prove my decision was a sound one.

  72. #538651
    On November 10th, 2008 at 11:22 am, Janne said:

    Don’t know if this was here already, but the FULL documentary is available online.

    Windows Media Player Format:
    http://svt.se/content/1/c8/01/29/47/53/081102billbarack.asx

    RealPlayer Format:
    http://svt.se/content/1/c8/01/29/47/53/081102billbarack.ram

  73. #538684
    On November 10th, 2008 at 11:48 am, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Talks cheap-actions speak louder than words.

    If the obamabot wants to apologise to her student for the little girl having her beliefs and feel thats enough. Think again…
    Resign your position!
    Resign your teaching license!
    and then maybe people might take you seriously.

    Rant off/
    GSP

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