“Universal voter registration?”
Here’s your Monday night water cooler topic: Check out the new drive for universal voter registration. Reader Mark Jackson sent the story link with his comment: “This has vote fraud written all over it.”
The nation’s much-maligned election system passed a major test last week when more than 132 million Americans — a record — cast ballots with few reports of problems.
But now, election reformers are calling for a move toward a “universal voter registration” system, in which the government takes the lead in ensuring that all eligible citizens are registered to vote.
“This means the registration process would no longer serve as a barrier to the right to vote,” said Wendy R. Weiser, a lawyer for the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University. “It would also eliminate the ACORN issue and all the gaming of the system.”
In the United States, unlike other major democracies, citizens, not the government, are responsible for seeing to it that they are registered to vote. And when people move, even if across town, they must update their registration, usually with a local office.
In 2004, more than 1 in 4 American adults was not on the voter rolls. Since then, private organizations such as the League of Women Voters and activist groups like ACORN, an advocate for people in low-income communities, launched major voter registration drives. These groups do not put voters on the rolls. They simply turn in applications from people who sign forms saying they want to register.
But ACORN, among others, was sharply criticized for submitting a huge number of registration cards with questionable information and from people already registered.
“All across America, our people wasted untold hours dealing with duplicate registrations,” said R. Doug Lewis, executive director of the National Assn. of Election Officials.
Many more Americans encounter a more mundane problem — failing to update their registration after they move.
“The current system is simply not designed for a mobile society,” the Brennan Center for Justice said in its report on universal voter registration.
Under its proposal, states could update their computerized voter rolls when residents move from one city to another. And they could add new voters who move to the state and apply for driver’s licenses.
Some proposals would automatically add teens to the voter rolls when they turn 18. Under some plans, Congress could create a national voter registration roll, modeled after the Social Security database.
Automatic, mandatory voter registration and tracking strikes me not only as a bureaucratic nightmare, but also ideologically unsound. I’m with John Stossel: Some people just shouldn’t be voting. Leave ‘em alone.
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oh gee golly gosh what could go wrong with this? Because ACORN and their liberal allies are so accurate with their current voting schemes.
what’s next? Letting Mexican, French, German, Canadian and British citizens vote in our election too?
And yet they never supported things like showing ID to vote, so pathetic
Yeah, sure, some people could be automatically moved from one city to another. And some people could be automatically registered when they turn 18. And some people could get “lost” in the system if they vote the wrong way in union halls or get letters published in newspapers or blogs….
Yean, what could go wrong? Ask Joe the Plumber.
Just one more thing the government can screw up.
Wow, is he really arguing that it is unfair to require that voters put in the minimum of effort to make sure they are properly registered? When we moved a few years ago we changed our registration along with our bills it was absolutely no problem.
This is how the obamacrats plan on keeping the white house indefinitely.
The uneducated sheeple elected a socialist dictator to office.
The only thing I agree with is updating one’s voting location when moving within a state. For instance, here in Illinois, we have to let the Secretary of State know we moved within 30 days of moving; why not have them send a note to my county’s election board?
I think everything else is just opening us up for too much fraud.
Definately a move toward streamlining voter fraud.
The current system takes too much work.
Not so fast people. If we get positive voter ID cards, with pictures and positive biometrics, and a clearance database that allows for only one vote per person, I support it. Look for the Dems to try and pervert it so New Yorkers can continue to vote twice; Once in NY and once in FL.
I do agree with the notion of making the effort but still, a step in the right direction.
When the card doesn’t work they will implant your kids – just so they won’t have to register.
Call the waaaahmulance puh-leeze!! If people can manage to change the address on their magazine subscriptions when they move, don’t you think they can manage to update their voter registration information. Geez!!
Personally, I’m all in favor of requiring citizens to pass a basic Civics / US Government / History test prior to registering to vote. You have to pass a test to drive a car; shouldn’t you have to show some basic knowledge of the structure of our governement (not to mention current issues) before you pull a lever or push a button — or hang a chad? I know, I know. Somehow that makes me a raaaacist, but I get so tired of my vote being canceled by some idiot who can’t even pick the Vice President of the United States out of a line-up! And now they want to just register them whether they want to be registered or not. Wha?
My head hurts, and I’m going to bed now…
I sent this in not too long ago
Ohio Sec of State Jennifer Brunner wants to change Ohio’s voting laws. So she is calling for a non partisan group to spearhead the operation.
Yep its the same group “The Brennan Center for Law and Justice”
The same group that is undertaken backing Gitmo detainess against the US government.
And these are the people they want in charge of our elections. Ohio is the tip of the spear here. Lucky for the GOP retained control of the State Senate so I urge them to resist this to the utmost.
If you want to vote – you’ll register. It’s personal responsibility.
Not everyone eligible to drive is eligible to vote. Besides if you want to vote after you move you’ll register. It’s personal responsibility.
If they want to vote when they turn 18 they’ll register. It’s personal responsibilty.
We are not like other major democracies, we’re not socialist. People here have to exert some responsibility.
Gee, I think I see a trend here.
Why can’t all these busybodies just leave people alone? Go spend time with your families, read a book, see a play, watch football, just find something, anything to fill your time up so you can leave the rest of us alone!!
If people don’t have the will or motivation to register themselves to vote, chances are they are doing the country a favor by not voting. I, too, am with Stossel on this one.
I would like to see only taxpayers having the right to vote. If you are only a human sponge, you have no say in policy. As Jack Nicholson said, “I’d prefer you just say thank you, and go on your way.”
Its just us white guys here talking around the water cooler right?
Hold up, someones coming…
Regardless of the metrics, there will always be some way the corrupt will undermine the efforts for their own advantage.
I saw the Stossel article. It was great. I think that everyone should pass a test every cycle in order to get a pass to vote.
When you vote, you have to dip your finger in the purple ink. This would also assist in avoiding the double voters.
Also, prevoting should be removed. We have a holiday season. We do not need a voting season. That is stupid.
And one last thought, perhaps those caught voting fraudulently should have a permanent tattoo “Fraudulent Voter” right across their forhead. That would send a message.
Oh well, back to Arrested Development reruns. Now that’s entertainment….
If you are too lazy to get off of your lazy fat welfare supported arss and spend a little bit of time during all of the days you are not working and I am paying for everything you and all of your welfare babies have, you have no place voting in any election. EVER.
jdub,
Gotta be careful with the pre-voting thang. A lot of us military members (quite a few conservatives) have no choice but to vote early through absentee balloting. It can not be helped and would cost the conservative candidate, if we ever get one I mean, votes.
jdubya
I agree with getting rid of early voting, but we must keep absentee votes. My job does not allow me to know that I will be at home and not in another state on election day.
I also think that the primaries must be held on one day as well. Your vote may count on the national election day, but with the way the primaries are set up, if you are in a smaller state after the first few votes, you have no say in who you will be voting for in your party for the national election.
Make a nationwide template for the elections where a valid ID (driver license [US citizens only]/US passport and/or?) and signature on the ballot are mandatory to evidence a valid vote nationwide.
In each and every state electoral votes are divided by the number of votes cast per candidate (no winner takes all like Cauliforneeya and others). If you get 40% of the vote then you get 40% of the Electoral votes, etc.
ALL ballots must be compared to validated registrations. No national election should be declared by anyone, including the media until all ballots (vote by military/mail/absentee etc) have been tallied and verified. My God, here on the left coast it was 7:50 PM when FOX declared the “One” prez and yet, the Voter Registrars Office had been so overwhelmed b4 Election Day that they told all absentee/mail-in voters to go directly to their (Registrars) office and hand deliver their ballots. There is absolutely no way that every vote had been counted, anywhere in the US, on Election Day. We now also see recounts and runoffs where dems were close and they need the super 60 in the senate. Votes seem to be coming out of nowhere. Really–nowhere? Hmm. Sound difficult? Nope, it is far too important to let anyone usurp our right to a fair election. Let’s try and force a change for fair elections.
If people can find a way to update their addresses so Blockbuster can still send them movies in the mail when they move, they ought to be able to make the minimal effort to update for voting.
Actually, the more people who vote, most likely the more the ignorant masses vote Democrat. I wish none of you people voted, even Malkinites. I wish THUNDERHAWKK was the only citizen one who bothered to vote at all, cause then I know the good guys would always win.
I will say, however, that as far as federal elections go, there should be a national standard. Having 50 different standards creates larger potential for fraud and court interaction. Allowing federal elections to be implemented the same across the country is not such a bad idea. The states still have their electoral college electors, voters still decide, and the standard of casting and counting is the same across all jurisdictions. Any challenges can then be decided using the same protocol.
Side note, I took my VOTER REGISTRATION CARD with me to vote along with my driver’s license… When I handed it to the election official, he asked, “What’s this for?”
I just thought… never mind. We’re screwed.
Uh, thunder, can you please provide the name/phone number (if you are still capable) to the asylum you escaped from so we can get you some help? The net you have casted is not nearly big enough for the one we may need to get you back “home”.
O/T but I was just watching O’Reilly with Mary Katherine Hamm ((
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I could have sworn she said this country is:
Reaganite/SarahRight
On November 10th, 2008 at 11:39 pm,
I agree, I really like part 2 since I live in Cauliforneeya.
As a basis for universal conscription for anything else they like.
Universal ANYTHING is about half way down the slippery slope to totalitarianism.
Ideologically unsound? How about an ideological abomination?
We don’t improve the quality of democracy by getting more people to vote, we improve it by getting more educated voters. Simply increasing the voter roles guarantees nothing except that the percentage of voters who really understand the issues likely will be very, very small. You know all those undecideds? If they were truly undecided that late in this year’s election, they just weren’t paying attention and I’d just as soon they didn’t vote at all.
That sounds like a good idea, in principle. It all depends on how it’s implemented of course. But I like the basic concept.
That’s up to the individual states, not the Feds. It would be illegal for the Feds to try to force something like this through.
This could spell the end of the Dallas Cowboys being allowed to vote four times in three separate states.
I don’t think Roger Goodell or Jerry Jones will stand for it.
The Founding Father were way smarter than we ever will be. They knew that Billy Bob The Racist Hillbilly Moonshiner would come down off the mountain for more molasses after 4 years and vote for Benedict Arnold.
Hence the Electoral College.
Are you frickin’ kidding me? You think anything based on the anything involved woth social security is a good idea? For one, it is going to be bankrupt, which if had been used as it was intended, should be impossible. For another, do you know how many other people are using you ss#? Maybe none, maybe not, but no one can know for sure.
This is not something I would base any decision or plan on.
Ron is right
The reality is in this country, the two most important things you need to take absolute responsibility for are voting and procreating. Unfortunately, those are the two things many people seem to be the most uneducated about… and it affects everyone.
Gee, flenser, right is wrong and wrong is right in your world I suppose. That is why I said we (the People–not “We the One”) need to force some changes regarding election laws. What exactly is wrong with having the Electoral College vote determined by “one vote”? You seem to have overlooked/forgotten the Constitution, Article II. There would be nothing illegal about the citizens causing a change(s) in the Constitution to accommodate changes in how are our present system works. We (non-Marxists/socialists) need to get the vote back in our hands and away from ACORN/Soros and other usurpers of the free/valid vote.
Ahhh yes…the shift toward POTUS The One ruling all continues…pretty soon my ballot will be filled out for me…
NotaSlickFan
Don’t worry, the constitution is surely going to go though great changes, it just is not going to be in a way ever before seen in this country.
Permanent liberal majority.
You mean with a national ID card?
No more of that pesky having to register those avid institutionalized voters.
Apparently these people believe that requirering a citizen put forth any sort of effort to register is too much to bear. Depending on where one lives registering may be a minor hassle. Voting itself may take a few hours for some. But while doing either, a person gets to reflect on what it means to live in a free (for the time being) country. And the slight inconveniance is nothing compared to what others have gone through to preserve our freedoms. With no effort at all required, registering and voting will be taken too lightly.
But what if you don’t want to be registered to vote?? There ARE no barriers to voting. If you want to vote, you can register. It works. What the current system does do is keep the database from being clogged up with names who have no interest whatsoever in voting.
This idea is lame.
quote from above:
In the United States, unlike other major democracies,
the UNITED STATES IS A>>> R_E_P_U_B_L_I_C >>>>>>>
NOT a democracy….
Big difference in the two!!!!!
The reason the automatic registry of 18 year-olds would create a permanent liberal majority is two-fold:
1) School curricula has been teaching moral relativism and a focus on “feelings” for decades now. In other words, “I’m failing, but my self-esteem is what matters–and I’m okay with myself”
2) The majority of high school graduates have neither the ambition to attend a rigorous university program designed to equip them with a useful education nor the desire to wait four long years-plus in order to “get paid,” especially since socialism and The One promise to pay their mortgage and fill their tank with gas now.
This is a plan that’s been in the works for some time now, we’ve known it, but We the People have done little to nothing to stop it from coming to pass.
“So this is how democracy dies” a phrase in the Star Wars series once quoted to refer underhandedly to Pres. Bush now seems a little more appropriate for our PEOTUS…
In other words, we need smarter people doing the fraudulent voter registrations and then the actual voter fraud.
I think everyone saw this coming.
Simply put, Dems are trying to literally shutout conservatives in elections by attrition, and it can be done without any fraud, if they get enough Americans hooked/seduced on the “benefits” of a Nanny Green state, they can very well do it, and true conservatives might as well move to another country or eat the results of a gored wallet and diluted culture and scrambled morals.
We must get our few troops on the Hill ready to block any socialist agenda bills coming down the pike, and a early warning system to alert constituents that such is on the way.
James Greenidge
Queens, New York
No windmills all along the NY Thruway, Please!
OK,
Clinton ‘96: made it legal to register voters at any contact at any level of the government. Immigration Officers were finding voter’s registration cards on every illegal they found. A 14 year old was registered to vote at a rock concert..
Clinton ‘95-’96: Citizenship express: All other business at INS was put on hold to speed up the citizenship process. The English language exam was given new parameters (no one failed) and then, after Immigration Officers complained, the process was handed over to contract companies who used the opportunity to collect billions in bribes (both from the government and the families of prospective citizens).
Department of Justice Just after the “96 elections to date: Huge clean up of the Millions of unacceptable aliens given Citizenship.
Cost: Billions.
But the Dems won and that’s all that really matters, isn’t it..
BTW: have to Echo Christian Soldier:
The US is a REPUBLIC. Every time I see a RepuliWimp call us a Democracy I cringe. Republics that do not become so weak minded as to follow a dictator, always succeed. Democracies, by their very nature, must fail.
When I moved, it took no time at all to fill out a form and send it in to register in my new county. It was more of a hazzle to change subscriptions/bills than to register to vote. However, we have become a lazy society, and people want instant results. Maybe for some people it’s too much of an effort to register. We have become an apathic society. Also, I see this proposal as another way for the government to track its citizens and their votes and that’s scary. If people are too lazy to register to vote, then how in the world are they going to spend time to go to a polling place? By the way, it’s a right to vote; it’s only a privilege to drive.
When does the electoral college cast their ballots?
Good point, EdDantes. First Monday after the second Wednesday in December. Dec. 15th, I believe. Have you noticed there isn’t one effort that I’ve seen anywhere, about abolishing the College, this time, in the media? Of course not, their candidate won.
That was ACORN’s plan, to flood the system was readily apparent fraudulent applications so that merely suspect ones could slide in under the radar. There is NO question that we’ve lost this country to the most extreme Left. How to get it back is the only question open.
Or property owners…
This way half the work will already be done for ACORN. All they need to do is monitor who isn’t showing up to vote, and then they can vote for them.
Requires a constitutional amendment.
We do not need mandatory voter registration, we need informed voters.
Yes, I understand the Self Esteemed Brennan Center for Justice point. When we moved into our current house it must have taken the two of us a good ten minutes to register-the twit. How long it takes to steal an election and then a country is another matter I suppose.
Is that non partisan always the pseudonym for Left-Wing hacks or do they have others?
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I live in Texas, but was in California on election day. If not for early voting, I could not have voted.
Also, I will say this for early voting, it does shorten the lines on election day.
Amen. Who would have thought that a state as large as Texas would have no say in the Republican primary.
By the time it got to us, McCain and Huckabee were the only ones left and Huck stood no chance of winning. I voted for him anyway. (This was pre-Palin, of course.)
I’m still completely puzzled why we want to make it so the uninterested, uninformed have a say in the process by which we are governed.
I’m sure it never occurred to any of the “some voter might be disenfranchised” group, that for every uninformed, uninterested, lazy person they get to vote, that a productive, active member of society is in fact the one that is disenfranchised.
I’ve always advocated for a purging of the current voter rolls. I’ve written my state reps on just this point. However, I do not believe reregistration should be left to the Federal Gov’t to handle.
Voting may be a privilege of citizenship but it comes with a responsibility. The citizen has the responsibility to be informed about the candidates and issues while the gov’t has the responsibility to ensure our votes are not diluted or nullified by the inclusion of fraudulent voters.
My proposal is that the states wipe their voter rolls clean and every citizen must reregister by providing proof of citizenship, proof of residence, and a photo ID to places chosen and staffed by the individual county boards of elections. Tying this information into a national database (can you say SSI?) would be a good start.
Based on voter intent, why not just have the government vote for you? That way you don’t have to interrupt your busy day filling out a pesky absentee ballot or going to the polls. If you are comatose or trapped in your car in a ravine, your vote will be counted! Just think how all the other nations will be in awe of US when we achieve 100% voter turnout.Even the French will like us again.
All Hail The One!
How difficult is it to go to the town/city hall and register? I still don’t understand why anyone would give personal identity info to a stranger on the street. If a citizen can’t find where to register, they should not be voting. Get ready for more stupid ideas brought to us by the Soros puppet.
Actually, I think this is COULD be less prone to fraud than our current scheme of voter registration.
It would depend greatly…maybe entirely…on what the criteria were for registration.
And I don’t feel it would make the unqualified, ignorant, lazy voter necessarily more likely to vote. The same tendencies that keep them from registering now would keep them from voting.
In those countries where universal registration is the rule, I think you’ll find that voter fraud is very rare.
Good morning folks;
The brilliance of our system of government was the rights of the states to control their destiny. This diffused power is not a perfect system, but it does take away the possibility of centralized corruption. Nationally organized anything is dangerous.
I liked the fact that so many Democrats fought a requirement to show a photo ID to vote, yet the Obama campaign required a photo ID to get into The One’s big celebration in Chicago on election night.
John Stossel’s comment that many shouldn’t be allowed to vote since they’re so uninformed makes sense too. Anyone that would vote for Pelosi & Co. is obviously uninformed and should go to the back of the line.
There are too many people registered and voting now. To register you should have to take a quiz on current events, history and economics. If you are too stupid, ignorant or uninformed stay out of the voting booth and leave it to those who care enough to stay informed and educated.
um, if the government just registers me automatically, how do I become a republican? Will we all be independent til we change it ourselves, or democrats to comply with the new world order? I’d seriously like to know.
OH NO! They got to torabora too! (Yes I am torabora)
I voted absentee when I was in the Army. Damn I was proud! I voted early in 2000 as we were on vacation in England (and had to listen to those Euro-wimps whine about the results). For the last twenty or so years my wife have either worked the polls or Party Headquarters in some capacity. And we need MORE people, Conservative people to do so. The polls are almost always undermanned-sometimes they have to combine precincts-that is a shame.
The Liberals and statist are beating us on all these issues BECAUSE they turn out a the hearings and such. Yes it is a pain, it takes from works and costs. Losing a country does too. Take the Party from the RINOs, help elect Conservatives and get flat out mean about it.
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This is a good point, in general. However, we have recent models…both here and elsewhere…of systems that are analogous that have worked well.
I don’t remember the entire worf and woof of the Selective Service, but seem to recall that it contained a fairly important component of local control of a national system. I don’t think it was known for its corruption at any level, though that certainly would have been possible, given the interests it dealt with.
Again, there are working systems of universal registration, and I don’t think we need to become “french-a-fied” to consider what works. Traffic signals were not an American invention…
Minnesota seems to have registered some ghosts AFTER the election. Who do they think they are, Chicago? Mighty frauds from tiny ACORNS grow.
Clever people the Minnesota Democrats.
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Keith Olbermann’s new contract gives him $7.5 million a year, up from $4 million. Not to worry though, because he does not vote, saying, “It’s the only thing I can do that suggests even that I don’t have a horse in the race.”
And I don’t think John Stossel is too swift either– he supports legalizing drugs and prostitution. Under Stossel’s plan for society we’ll have Olbermann feeding the dopers their daily dose of political news and Al Franken will soon be president.
While I understand the desire to clean up the mess and make things more efficient, this is just another case creeping Federal expansionism. And the arguments for doing it are weak. Other “democracies” are much smaller countries, and they don’t have our fading tradition of states’ rights and powers. And we are a republic NOT a democracy.
As a former military wife, I have registered to voted at the following:
State Fair
Mall
Grocery Store
Bank
Library
Post Office
Community College campus
Somehow I was able to wander into these exotic, out of the way places and register, w/o
gov assistance. It ain’t hard.
Exactly.
And that mention of NO Reports of Problems… please… after ACORN created no doubt tens of thousands of of fraudulent registrations, does anyone not believe there was rampant voter fraud? I’m not saying that’s what gave Obama the win, but in any other year, the fraud would have changed the outcome.
No way this Universal thing is going to include high tech IDs. Libs don’t want that. They want fraud to be possible.
I’d watch to make sure the Demon-crats don’t try and “Subcontract” this to be run by the corrupt, Organized Crime organization ACORN.
And people can be automatically added when they get conficted of a Felony, die, or get imaginged.
And then, why not have them automatically vote too?
Personally I think people should be required to register in person (unless physically disabled), be required to re-register every 4 years, and show photo-id and proof of citizenship.
PS,
Thank you to all who have served
our great nation. Thank you today and every day for your strength.
My Dad is 85; he served in WWII and Korea. We take him out for lunch every year on Veteran’s Day.
A few Americans don’t care to ‘register’ for anything. Its supposed to be a free country, but how so if my name goes on a government list whether I want it to or not? I just want to be left alone, don’t I have a place at America’s table?
When King Zero doesn’t come through with all this hopey changey stuff, all of these newly registered voters will once again drop out of the process. They only came out for Zero. It’s not like they care much about municipal or state elections.
Why waste more of the taxpayers money?
If the few remaining Republicans in elected positions don’t take ownership of this issue, and finding a sensible solution, they won’t have to worry about re-election anymore. That’s usually a powerful motivator for them.
The voter fraud stories I heard from surrounding counties still nauseates me.
Dems need to be publicly challenged to show they support fair elections while we still have some airwaves. If they’re so confident they have “a mandate,” like they always claim, then they shouldn’t be afraid of above-board voting.
In the last 8 years I moved three times and had no problem registering to vote at the DMV (VA and CO) when I updated my driver’s license (wasn’t that the point, dems?) and at the townhall here in NH.
I have a dream that the only people allowed to vote are those who do their research and care enough to show up for all elections … you know, not the ignorant masses that come out of the woodwork every four years for presidential elections acting like they’re informed, intelligent citizens and putting in office totally unqualified people. But it’s just a dream.
In the summer of 2007 I moved to a new city and new county. When I went to the DMV to have my driver’s license address changed, I was asked by the clerk, if I wanted to register to vote at my new address.
ZIP, BANG, DONE and a letter was sent to my former county removing my name.
The system is there now. We do not need this thing at all. What we NEED is administrators doing their jobs. My daughter moved between states. She registered to vote in her new state and months later discovered she was still registered where she used to live.
ALSO, elimination of early voting and a photo ID requirements would decrease voter fraud immensely. Hard to be in three states on the same day with three picture ID’s to vote.
Well how else do you expect them to track how you vote? Darth Malkin should know this, being a hate tyrant.
It is a messy system, but that is why it works. Utopians are always looking for that perfect system that will never be there. Keep it messy and keep your freedoms.
we can’t track a few thousand pedophiles. how on earth we gonna track millions? Computer chips in the hand?
After universal registration, we’ll have calls for proxy ballots, so that we won’t have to worry ourselves with trying to make it to a polling place or mailing a ballot. That way, everyone’s voice can be heard.
Pedophiles have privacy rights. Voters won’t. After all you wouldn’t want to punish people for thier “lifestyle choices” now would you?
“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it”.
Thomas Jefferson
What?
We would have to do it in every state at the exact same time. How do you plan on pulling that off?
I never said that there would be.
No doubt, but your plan does not accomplish that.
hunter
The plan is for a national voter registration roll, modeled on the SS database. Not to use the SS system.
Without some national database of US citizens, it is impossible to prevent non citizens from voting.
Surely even you can understand that?
It’s only voter fraud when Republicans win. Thus, all the hullabaloo about George Bush “stealing” the election and all the efforts to “help” Al Franken in Minn.
When Dem’s win it’s “the will of the people”.
Hey, if it allows The Obama™ to RULE forever without having to resort to dictatorship then that’s what they are going to so. If not then dictatorship it is.
Universal registration would certainly favor the Democrats. I think of the electoral college, which separates the country into 50 sections (or 51, if you include DC; I don’t want to pull a Barack Obama here and wildly misstate), which helps to prevent fraud. If some entity taints voting in a city or state, it’s restricted to that state. Similarly, if every single person is required to register and take the trouble to go to the polls on election day (no early voting, and absentee ballots only for those who truly qualify), that cuts down on outside influences which could taint the vote. The effort required of each person is itself a firewall against fraud. No marching 200 drunks to vote early for Obama, no persuasion via mailing of absentee ballots, and the voter must be sufficiently informed and dutiful to know about and perfom his own voter registration, and then finally go on his own power to the polls. Having said all that, with the Dems in power in both branches, this universal registration looks like a done deal. Eventually voting could be done online. Party-sponsored popup ads could lead the online voter to one or another candidate. The potential for fraud would be vast.
Ok – heres my two cents- univeral registration is ok so long as the rules are the same across the board and requires SSN match etc. Whats wrong with that? Saying “some people shouldn’t vote” is kind of scary – who decides who is worthy to vote – You?? My concern is the rules regarding party primaries where they allow cross over voting – fix that and maybe next time we’ll get a conservative on the ticket.
Since you had the best post, i’ll pick up here
I agree to a point, with the article. Government, as we all know, is not exactly the most fast acting entity in the country. People do manage to change mailing addresses, magazine delivery, etc…but for those examples, if the businesses didnt keep up with their readers, then they’d lose money.
I agree that the system being proposed in the article is…not the best idea i’ve ever heard. But…i can see at least attempting to bring some parts of the government into the 20th century. I believe this is something to be worked on, but i dont dismiss the idea out of hand. I just think there needs to be ALOT of things in place to prevent fraud.
I have a few changes I would like to make in the voting laws-as applied. But our trolls would not care for them I suppose.
1) you have to be a citizen
2) a LIVE citizen
3) have to prove you are a live citizen
4) vote just once per cycle-Chicago exempted-past practice/tradition
Too harsh I am sure.
Your a harsh man Arizona. How dare you!!!!!!!/sarc
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