Heckuva job, McLame
From the man whose best-sellers include “Why Courage Matters” and “Character Is Destiny” comes this underwhelming reaction to the cowardly smearing of Sarah Palin by his own unnamed staffers:
“These things happen.”
Not: “Shame on the leakers. I denounce and renounce them.”
Not: “I’m going to get to the bottom of this and make sure those blabbermouths never work in a major campaign again.”
Just: “These things happen.”
Yup. Business as usual from The Maverick’s not-so-maverick campaign:
Senator John McCain: She understands all the energy issues. There’s a $40 billion pipeline coming to bring natural gas to places like California. And so look, she’s a marvelous person.
Jay Leno: Now, these aides that were criticizing her — and I think everyone agrees there were Republican aides who were criticizing her. I know you wouldn’t go for that. I know you’re an old soul. You don’t let people talk — but why?
Senator John McCain: One — these things happen in campaigns too. I think I have at least a thousand, quote, top advisors. “A top advisor said” — people I’ve never even heard of, much less a, quote, top advisor or a high-ranking Republican official. It’s — these things go on in campaigns, and you 6 just –
Jay Leno: Why don’t we just move on.
Senator John McCain: I’m just very proud to have had Sarah Palin and her family, a wonderful family.
Now, contrast McCain’s apathetic response to the fragging attacks on his running mate with McCain’s effusive praise for Democrat Sen. Joe Lieberman (and watch out for the snarky dig at Palin over the clothes brouhaha):
Jay Leno: How about Joe Lieberman? Was he a close choice? Was that possible?
Senator John McCain: Joe is one of the finest, most wonderful men I’ve ever known in my life. I have never known a finer man than Joe Lieberman, and I believe I won the nomination because right before the New Hampshire primary — and I know I don’t expect a lot of you to remember all the details — he came out to supported me. It mattered. Independent voters 7 voted with us. I love Joe Lieberman.
Jay Leno: That might cost him the chairmanship now. Is that –
Senator John McCain: I hope not, because Joe is a wonderful person. And we want people to stand up for –
Jay Leno: Can you do that? Can you lose your chairmanship in the Senate just because you picked what your party perceives as an –
Senator John McCain: It generally is not done. I don’t, obviously, know what — what’s going to happen. But I know that Joe Lieberman is one of the — and by the way, on national security issues, he’s really, really good.
Jay Leno: And he’s an independent now; right?
Senator John McCain: He’s a, quote, independent Democrat.
Jay Leno: Would you want him to be a, quote, independent Republican?
Senator John McCain: No, no.
Jay Leno: Try to get him over on the other side, kind of lure him over –
Senator John McCain: I’m honored to have –
Jay Leno: — get him some clothes, expensive clothes, maybe nice suit? (Laughter.)
Senator John McCain: Neiman Marcus?
Jay Leno: Neiman Marcus.
Senator John McCain: But yeah, I think that — I think that Joe is going to probably remain as what he is, an independent who stands up for what he believes in. We need more people like Joe Lieberman.
Oh, and to add insult to injury, McCain’s opening joke was recycled from Bob Dole’s 1996 joke book.
Bob Dole, February 15, 1996:
If Bob Dole hears the footsteps of the ghosts of New Hampshires past, he is not admitting it.
“Ghosts?” he said in response to a question here this morning. “I don’t see any ghosts.”
And, as if tempting the fates, Mr. Dole went further than his aides, who have been saying lately that he does not have to win New Hampshire to win the Republican Presidential nomination. “Whoever wins next Tuesday in New Hampshire,” Mr. Dole predicted, “will probably be the Republican nominee.”
Twice before, the Granite State has proved a graveyard for Mr. Dole’s Presidential dreams. But Mr. Dole opened his weeklong run-up to next week’s primary here exactly as he did eight years ago, by addressing the New Hampshire Legislature in Concord on Tuesday.
He told the lawmakers about losing back then, but “sleeping like a baby — every two hours, I woke up and cried.”
Jay Leno: As I said, today is Veterans Day. I cannot think of a better person to have as my first guest. Vietnam veteran, real American war hero, also just ran a hard-fought campaign against Barack Obama, now our President elect. Please welcome, in his first television interview,
Senator John McCain. (Applause.) Welcome back, sir.
Senator John McCain: Thank you, my friend. And thank you for having all these brave servicemen and women here. I’m honored to be with you. Thanks.
Jay Leno: It’s been a week since the election. How are you doing?
Senator John McCain: Well, I’ve been sleeping like a baby. (Laughter.) Sleep two hours, wake up and cry. Sleep two hours, wake up and cry. (Laughter.)
Heckuva job, McLame.
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Michelle, you must look at McCain’s daughter’s site, she claims her family is “decompressing” while her dad grills ribs.
McCain is obviously too busy cooking ribs to even bother defending his VP.
Anything to distract attention away from his failure as a candidate.
He is truly McLame.
I think McCain didn’t like how Sarah Palin attracted crowds that were bigger than his. She was the only good thing about his entire sorry campaign and the people (and John McCain) knew it.
My next bumper sticker: “Don’t blame me, I voted for Palin.”
the L_O_T_E was ‘acting’ like a star…..
did he order the “anonymous” attacks on the WOMAN –Gov. PALIN…..
WOMEN should be OUT_RAGED>>>>
The DARK SIDE – is ALWAYS OUT_RAGED!!!!!
C-CS
We can thank McCain for making people realize Sarah Palin was out there and giving her an opportunity to become visible to the conservative base.
Given what would have happened had McCain had not selected Palin, we have a net gain. McCain would have gotten about48% of the vote and conservatives would have been demoralized. However with Palin the conservatives were and are re-energized. Another unintended outcome by McCain; sort of like McCain – Feingold, but this time with a good outcome.
So thanks for messing up in a good way John. Have a good rest of your career. We’ll take it from here.
Stinkweed #93:
I’m so sorry! I just plain forgot about your inability to understand *anything* longer than 1 syllable not soaked in gin!
How silly of me! We are all So Happy your candidate, BO won!
There, that should help Stinkweed forgive me!
While Palin is conservative, I am amazed that she is the best republicans can come up with.
McCain was nominated as a moderate because the Republican party knew that Bush and the Republican congress had ruined the brand. If we had nominated someone with conservative principles the outcome would have been no different.
The Obama presidency is the price we pay for not leading responsibly when we had the power.
Now it is time to evaluate just what a winning party platform would be. The tent as it stands isn’t attracting enough voters to win.
Michelle Malkin, do YOU need a man to defend you when you are being wrongly criticized? No?
Then I suggest that you cut McCain some slack here, Michelle. You yourself trumpet the fact that Sarah Palin is a strong, capable, outspoken female politician. Someone who is more than capable of running this country from the Oval office.
But here, you treat her like she’s some kind of poor defenseless female.
I ask you, Michelle: Is she, or is she not, capable of taking care of herself in the political arena?
Either she is, or she isn’t.
CHOOSE ONE.
Sarah is an experienced executive politician, and she knows her way around. This isn’t the first time that she’s had to deal with political opportunists, and it certainly won’t be the last… I’m sure that she’s going to do just fine.
Please get a clue.
Sarah Palin is a lot of things, but she is NOT a damsel in distress. Your suggestion that she needs John McCain to publicly rush to her defense and rescue her like some Knight in Shining Armor from meanie opportunists is an insult to her intellect, her character, and her professionalism.
It is, dare I say it, a form of reverse sexism. That it comes from another female professional – who certainly should know better – is troublesome.
She doesn’t need McCain to do anything for her, Michelle. He knows it, and he’s man enough to step aside and let the Governor of the State of Alaska take care of her own personal business in whatever manner she deems appropriate.
He has more respect for her than YOU do.
You’re just using this issue as another vehicle to unleash your poisonous anti-McCain negativism.
Shame.
I am glad McCain lost and sorry Obama won.
Chinese curse: “May you live in interesting times.”
Well now, Sen McCain, unfortunately, will probably blame all the rest of the Conservatives who supported his run and return to trashing us and throwing his conservative Senate associates under his bus as has been his usual practice.
Brilliant analysis.
Sarah Palin was the only bright spot on the GOP ticket this presidential election. I had already resigned myself to voting for McCain, more as a vote against Obama. But, when Sarah Palin walked into the picture, I actually got energized about the campaign.
As someone noted earlier, I think McCain became jealous that Palin had such a following and could turn out such huge crowds at a rally, when he couldn’t.
We have not seen the last of Sarah Palin, IMHO.
Look on the bright side. He won’t have Sarah Palin to carry him when he tries to get re-elected in 2010.
So let him be as lukewarm as he wants. We could be rid of him soon.
California Red, I agree. The McCain nomination and campaign was merely the culmination of years of backsliding on the part of conservatives. We need a REVIVAL! (and it doesn’t have to be the Repub party)
On November 12th, 2008 at 10:50 am, mike.musculus said:
Grow up, moron.
IR, you really are too much. Do you think for a MINUTE that anyone who is shaming McCain for his lack unwillingness to stand up for (or how about beside?) his running mate is disappointed for SARAH? Puhlease. The issue is HIS LACK OF CHARACTER, can’t you see that?
When a good person is attacked unfairly it is our privilege and responsibility to come to their defense.
But I see the Trolls are out in full throat. We need stronger, taller, bigger fences around the bridges. Poisonous anti-McCain negativism on every blog? Sounds like plan.
Note: In the City of Phoenix Car Rentals are way down. The City of Phoenix Car Rental Tax are thus down. So the City of Phoenix is raising the Car Rental Tax. Sounds like plan.
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That every man be armed-you too ladies.
America First
America Alone
Americans Come Home
lackunwillingnesssniff sniff sniff…
I think Stinkweed’s left…
Too bad! Now she’ll *never ever* forgive me for my harsh words about her crush, Obie!
I’m so unhappy Stinkweed! Please forgive me for forgetting about your ESL skills!
Oh! I know whats wrong! Her inability to understand multisyllabic words is at fault!
So, an IrishStinkweed Translation:
I feel so not good! Not good to talk back to Stink weed! So not good! Not do that more! Say you like Mike now! Mike not say true bad things of Fork-tongue Dumb White Guy more! Not say bad thing about Big Ear Guy more! Mike know you love both Big Ear Fork-tongue Black Guy and Fork-tongue White Boot Lick!
… Mike not happy! Please, Stink Weed girl tell not feel good Mike all is ok!
Oh, my I never thought that limiting my discourse to 1 syllable words would be so difficult!
Or, as Stinky will read it:
Oh, my blah blah blah 1 blah words so blah!
On November 12th, 2008 at 11:07 am, mike.musculus said
Has it ever occured to you that flaming assholes like you make Michelle Malkin look like an idiot, mike?
Remember during his campaign when he kept hollering “fight, fight fight” well the only thing he fought was the Conservative Republicans. You hear his great love for Joe Lieberman but not a damned thing about Sarah Palin. I’ll bet most of his campaign staff voted for BHO. He’ll be back in the Senate voting with the liberals. What an ass!
I am starting to wonder why Liberalman and Ghramnisty are really always with McAmnesty…
On November 12th, 2008 at 11:04 am, MtsEdge said:
Sorry, I don’t see a man who is lacking in character.
John McCain is a decorated war hero who has dedicated his entire adult life to service of this country. He doesn’t have a cowardly bone in his body.
I do see a man who isn’t willing to automatically cater to the political ideology of the far-right, thought, and it pisses the far-right off to no end.
Which is why we have threads like this one here at MM.
Huh? What blog post did you read?
Nowhere in MM’s post does she suggest anything close to what you allude to here. Leno asked McCain why Republicans were trashing his running mate, McCain gave a stupid wimpy response, and you call MM a sexist (against her own gender, forebye) for pointing out the lameness of the response?
Ridiculous. McCain more passionately defended his opponent during the campaign than he defends his running mate after the fact. This post isn’t about Palin being a damsel, it’s about McCain being a punk.
I’m no Obama lover, but I’m damned glad that McCain lost.
huh? Sorry, cut & pste from PDA screen:
What? Help! AZ you ok?
For anyone who thinks Sarah Palin cannot defend herself, I give you her debate beatdown of Biden as Exhibit #1.
On November 12th, 2008 at 11:10 am, Savage24 said:
Perhaps when Conservative Republicans learn to stop their self-destructive, incessant whining about victimization by RINO’s we’ll be able to actually win an election.
Until then, comments like this just make us look like crybabies.
IR, I can’t disagree with his sacrifices as a POW. There is no question he was then a very self-effacing man.
But like they say, “What have you done LATELY?” All this “courageous, dedicated man” can seem to find the strength to do now is trash conservatives, and more importantly conservative PRINCIPLES, to the detriment of this country. Even his precious reputation as an earmark-slayer went OUT THE WINDOW. He had a chance to take a stand against socialism when he “suspended his campaign,” and all he did was sit like a bump on a log, nodding his head like a bobbing dog while our country’s future was mortgaged away. The man is a SELL-OUT.
CCS, you said it better than me.
Rose:
1) Palin wasn’t there to answer the jabs as they were brought up.
2) The jabs at Palin were given at her expense, and her running mate didn’t defend her or shut Leno down.
It’s pretty sad that McCain sat there and shrugged it off, or worse joined in the lame joking comments. It doesn’t show that he believed in his campaign, his message or his running mate. I’m sure that Palin will be given ample opportunities in her interviews to jab back and stand up for herself, but she won’t just sit there and joke along at McCain’s expense.
#111On November 12th, 2008 at 11:04 am, MtsEdge said:
Me too! I’m going to love the financial and intellectual challenges of living under a Marxist administration!
My son is an active-duty Marine, and he tells me that he just can’t wait for inqauguration day! He’s just crazy about his shiney-new commie CIC!
Go Obama!
/sarc
Idiots like you are what is wrong with this country.
Thanks for nothing.
Oops, looks like I accidently hit a stinkweed nerve…
Looky at Stinkweed, folk! McCain is A Patriot! He just had to throw that race! Can’t you stoopid ultra-right wing trolls see that! If The One had lost, why that’d be just terrible!
Mike! You @sshole! how d are you point out the obvious! You are a sock puppet of that horendous woman MM!
How anti-American to point out a Sen. has abrogated his oath of office by attacking the 1st amendment! He has character! He’s dedicated his life to
attackingsupporting anyone has a difference of opinion about him!Yes, Stinkweed, just like you…
You know nothing about me. But I’m not at all surprised that you resort to ad hominem attacks. Your argument is out of gas.
P.S. You attributed the quote to the wrong person, although I am also glad McCain lost. He is NOT the future of conservatism. Are you?
No doubt. Among Republicans, Palin trounces the field in early hypos on the 2012 primaries (64% Palin, 12% Huckabee, 11% Romney). However, the exit polls showed that 60% of all voters didn’t think she was qualified to be President, indicating that her reputation is rock bottom outside the White People Party.
Irish,
You’re using sexism as an argument against character assassination.
Did it occur to you to check and see WHO was doing the palin smear?
It was MCCAINS CAMP.
As posted earlier, its McCains ghost writer and friend who is causing all the mess.
But i’m *sure* McCain has nothing to do with…because he’s defending her so much.
Its not that Palin needs defending. But you would think…it was his choice for VP, and now he’s just letting her get torn up in the media?
You STILL didnt provide that quote i asked for…you’re too busy arguing with people over ad hominems and calling people morons.
Its sad you cant defend the position you have otherwise, while i have all of the ammunition i’ll ever need.
Mccain is a war hero. yes, he’s served his country. But what a stand up guy he is to let his wolves go after his own VP pick, and not say anything at all other than “it happens”.
Laughable.
I’ll wait for that defensive quote of his….but i’m not holding my breath.
My advice is remember Reagan’s 11th commandment and use your ammo on the libs.
The White People Party?
LOL
You’re as laughable as IR.
And not all of us are white. But thanks for playing. I’ll have to remember this, the next time you make a comment about anything regarding race, color, etc…
Its nice to know that there are racists in the Dem Party, alive and well…no surprise, but nice to see you show it.
You might want to consider laying off the caffeine…
Mts didn’t say that… I did. And I said it as a veteran and a service member with 5 years to retirement.
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that there’s a substantial philosophical difference between McCain and Obama… there’s a difference, but it isn’t substantive. McCain claimed to be against ear-marks while voting for them; Obama claims to be for tax cuts while voting against them. Both guys are full of it.
I’m glad McCain lost (even though I voted for him) because I think he would have driven a stake through the heart of what’s left of the Republican Party. This is the greatest country on Earth… Obama can do some damage, but I don’t believe that he can destroy it in two or four years, and it gives Republicans the opportunity to regroup and rediscover conservatism without being bound up by a party head who is NOT a conservative.
I hope you feel quite righteous and empowered calling people assholes and idiots here. I seriously doubt that mike.musculus and I are the ones who come off that way.
God bless America.
It’s been nice chatting with you this morning children, but I’m off to find more adult conversation over at LGF.
Have a nice day.
Go ahead, run away.
But you have a nice day too, trying to defend all this over there. they’ll eat you alive too
90% of Palin-McCain voters were white. Good luck with that.
If pointing out the fact that 90% of GOP voters are white makes me RAAAAAAACIST, then so be it.
Stinkweed, I’m IN the USAF.
I have 2 sons who ARE Marines
1 IN the Navy, (darn…)
1 IN the Army
1 who left the Marines when he rejoined the LDS Church to go on a mission, but tells me he’s going to re-enlist after his mission.
So, don’t pull that crap on me. YOUR FRIEND McSham THREW the election! If he had fought as ANY MAN who is what you describe, he’d almost certainly have won!
If what you whine was true, why did he have all nice words for his opponents and all excoriation for his allies?
Let me put it in terms *even* you can undrstand:
Why did this Bozo come out FROM THE START fragging his own side?
“I don’t need conservatives”
“I don’t need the base”
“Hilary’s people have a home here” but “the bigots and racists in our party ar the Loud People”
“There is much about the Republican Party that isn’t right” but “I see *nothing* wrong with the ideas or direction of the Democratic Party” and “The Republicans are going in the wrong direction”
So, you agree with things. I guess that tells us who you are.
On November 12th, 2008 at 11:40 am, Red State Skeptic said:
Where are you getting these numbers? I mean, do you have a source? Because 90% of the total white vote going to mccain is ridiculous. Even on the night of the vote, NBC was showing it wasnt anywhere near that.
If you want black vs white…*maybe* thats the case, though i know plenty of white people who voted for obama. i think you’re just trying to stir up a problem where one doesnt exist. Even in THIS instance, I’d have to see something concrete. The very premise seems offbase, and well…liberals are never exactly honest.
but lets see the numbers, and see if the facts back up your mouth.
What, they drop ‘F’ bombs freely there?
Good riddance.
.
The only thing worth discussing about McCain is how he got the nomination.
Everything else is dust and chaff, as is, I am happy to say, McCain’s future political career.
BTW I doubt that anybody reading here is very surprised by McPain’s performance in the matter of Palin’s honour.
How the heck did this dud ever get nominated ?!?!?!?!
And does that mean the end of, or some significant milestone in the life of the Republican party?
RedStateSkeptic,
What you need to remember is the entire election was skewed by the message.
I remember two NPR analysts very early in the campaign, like May, comparing policy positions on Obama and McCain. They noted continually how McCain and Obama’s positions were essentially the same.
If a Sarah Palin or a Bobby Jindahl gets to carry the torch, the Conservatiuve message will be spoken. It is not a message based on race, but a set of principles that you may not agree with, but they are principles we support. The other clear difference is that to liberals, the strength of the nation is the governement. We believe it is the family. At this point in time in our history non-whites have better family values than whites as noted by Prop 8.
So be careful what you dream of with a Sarah Palin. If we are wrong, we lose. That’s life.
He didn’t say 90% of white voters were for McCain, he said 90% of McCain voters were white.
Not sure of the veracity of that, but sounds about right.
That man makes me sick! He’s such a traitor.Never again will I hold my nose.Oh he was so quick to blast The Republicans for airing The Rev Wright ad and denounce Billy Cunningham for saying Barrack Hussein Obama,but when they attack Palin crickets chirping.When I heard Obama aides saying they may use him in their office I wanted to puke.I almost feel like he was working for them ready to take a dive at the moment they told him to.Did you notice everytime he was in the lead he would do something stupid and shoot himself in the foot.Like cancelling the campaign and then signing the bailout anyway.You should read Judge Roy Moore’s article at World net daily.He talks about how some of our biggest achievements were when we were in exile.We lost a lot of ground with President Bush in office.I do thank him for the safety of the country though.Atleast we won’t have to hear “my friends” while he’s flipping us the bird anymore.
nice try chap….but you cant win either.
The miami herald is reporting that 43% of white people voted for obama.
story can be found at http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/767502.html
Granted…not the most detailed, but the first one i saw with a definitive percentage.
So if 43% of whites voted Obama….how do you say that 90% of whites voted mccain?
just saying.
I didn’t say 90% of white people voted McCain. I said 90% of McCain voters were white.
While McCain won 55% of the white vote, Obama won blacks 20-1 and Hispanics and Asians 2-1.
On another note I almost thing he though Picking Sarah would really mess his campaign up,but then everyone loved her.Remember when The New York Slimes picked endorsed McCain.They knew he would never win and that’s why this primary stuff is so shameful as well as all this early voting.Look at The Minnesota and Georgi races.Isn’t it interesting how they keep finding votes for Frankin? They are really trying to get that magical number of 60.
Sorry can’t seem to type today.
Again..you’re not giving me data. You’re, at this point, giving me your opinion. You’re giving me some democratic talking point.
Your numbers dont even sound close to being correct, and you’re not giving me anything concrete.
Try again.
abstract, fwiw, from what I can tell from the exit polls on CNN, McCain got 55% of the white vote, which makes up 74% of the electorate. That means 40.7 of his 46 or so percentage points came from white voters.
I don’t know why anyone would say that with their stark differences on taxes and the war, among others, but at least as far as concerns minority have, it obviously has a big impact for Dems to support affirmative action and comprehensive immigration reform, which McCain flip flopped on to win the GOP nomination. Just think of how poorly a hardcore anti-immigrant candidate like Romney would have faired among Hispanics.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1
Now…you’re saying 90%.
they’re saying 55%.
Now…i’ll give you a chance to retract your statement, since there’s a whole page of numbers there saying you’re, in fact, full of crap.
Or, do you want to continue this 90% business.
So much for the White Party.
why did affirmative action lose in michigan…michigan???
mccain has always been pro amnesty…what flip flop are you talking about??
abstract…dude…
I like you a lot, but you totally misread what RSS said. He did not get it wrong. Move on.
90% (actually about 88% according to my calcs) of the votes cast for McCain were cast by a white person.
Take 74 (the white percentage of voters) and multiply by .55 (the percent McCain won by). Answer 40.7. That means that of the 46% McCain won, 40.7 of that was white. So 40.7 divided by 46 times 100 equals 88.47 percent. That is the percentage of McCain voters who were white.
I blame Bill O’Reilly for this hubbub. He pushed this story as newsworthy and told Carl Cameron to report on it. How could anyone serious about the issues believe that Palin did not know Africa is a continent or which countries signed NAFTA? It’s like a sick joke.
I wish I could sneak up on O’Reilly with a continental question that once troubled me. The question: How can there be seven continents when Europe is not separated from Asia by a large body of water? The answer: Some scientists now say Europe can be added to Asia to form Eurasia. We can now chuck a continent. Now, in my little world, there are only six continents. Sue me!
while i’m not lgm at math, that still doesnt seem to make alot of sense to me…granted, math isnt my subject. but even i have trouble resolving the problem here.
55% of 74%…means that 90% of the percentage came from one source? Why does that seem wrong? nummerically, it wouldnt seem to add up.
if i’m reading right…and i’m open to correction…
74% of the voting public is white. 55% of them voted for mccain. so that means that only…40.7% of his TOTAL was white. not 40.7 of his 46%. i could be wrong, but thats how i’m seeing it.
even if i’m incorrect (and should stick to teaching people in other subjects)..its still below 90%…40.7 is less than 90% of 46. So the number, regardless, would be misrepresented if not inaccurate totally.
Here’s something that came up in a mods vs cons debate last night. Liberal Democrats have no trouble defending the extremes of their own party. Point out Bill Ayers or Jeremiah Wright to a mainstream Democrat and they will say, “I don’t agree with them personally, but I totally can defend why they say what they say.”
But it seems moderate Republicans will throw conservatives under the bus just to curry favor with liberals at cocktail parties. Democrats defend William Ayers… a terrorist… but moderate Republicans can’t be bothered to say “Even though I strongly disagree with Sarah Palin on some issues, I don’t think she’s stupid.”
Mainstream Democrats are more willing to defend terrorists like William Ayers than Moderate Republicans are to defend others in their own party whom they disagree with on policy. Does that seem right to anyone?
chap, even if you’re right…and i’ll conceed its possible since you’re not red and usually act with a little class…
my base point, other than the numbers, was red’s attitude towards it.
If i called the democratic party “The Black People’s Party”…him and his hippy friends would be calling for my head in a charger. so what if it was 20-1 black votes for Obama? We dont care about that, because pointing out the racial aspect (by a republican here) is considered racist by democrats.
abstract,
I understand your point. I am saying the rest of this without passing judgment one way or the other on the statement that the Republican Party is the “White” party. But there is a difference in saying that the Dem’s are the “Black Party” soley by virtue of the fact that 95% of blacks are D’s when that 95% only makes up maybe 20% or so of the overall composition of the party as saying that the Republicans are a “white party” when their overall composition hovers around 90% white.
But what does any of this matter? We are now in an era of post-racial politics, right?
I agree with Dave Turson. O’Reilly was upset that neither candidate in the McCain Campaign came on his show. He is vindictive and jealous.
On the other hand, McCain has a responsibility to come to the defense of Palin and those of you that don’t understand that probably voted for Obama. It really shows this old senator’s true character that he hasn’t come to her defense at all.
I am convinced that he NEVER intended to win this election against the half-black man. Palin must feel very used.
The Old Guard Republicans want to DESTROY Palin and any conservatives’ chances for the future. Remember, they are trying to survive and will stop at nothing. They are no better than the Democrats when it comes to this. They want to stay in power (what little power they have left). Like wounded old animals, they are very dangerous. Let’s put them out of their misery at the election booth…vote in the young conservatives.
Not because of the black vote. By the way, affirmative action won in Colorado. Yay.
McCain’s position changed from asserting that border security cannot be separated from giving immigrants a path to citizenship to towing the party line on “we’ve got to secure the borders first.” Why do you think he kept saying “I’ve learned my lesson” in the primaries. Whether or not his flip flop was disingenuous, it means a lot to Latinos.
McCain the “Designated Loser”?
This is an excellent point. (Assuming that it’s not homophobia which I’m sure some will claim.) NYK claims that most blacks are fairly conservative, yet they vote Democrat. I thiink we need to reel them in. If they are for Prop 8 or against abortion, why in the world can’t we get them voting for conservatives? Maybe we can.
Maybe Carl Cameron can give us the scoop on O’Reilly’s sexual harassment bruhaha.
Congratulations.
I wholeheartedly agree.
CCS, I’ve moved from PDA to desktop, and I see what you wrote.. it makes sense, now
I guess the PDA might have a problem with the buffers memory integrity. Glad to see it was the PDA and not you…
And thank you all for the defense. Although I am confident that when people read these comments, following along, they can see who’s a KosKiddie and whose not, I really appreciate your stepping in to help. I also know that if *I* step out of line, you’ll give me a well deserved walloping. And I appreciate that, too. I think that is what Stinkweed doesn’t understand: some of us are more interested in finding out the truth that in being a cheering section for some political hack. She may have some worry because of money, which I gather from her comments, but some of us think about other things, such as our children and their children and the Freedoms being lost by blindly following what’s shoved before us. That was why I waited until after the convention to decide to vote, and it was for Palin. I look at the fruits of her labors, to date, and see good fruit. McCain’s fruit is all rotten, though his words are sweet. Indeed, he pours his words sweetly into itching ears, but the fruits of his actions are most foul.
I didn’t see the point in mentioning that I’ve put in my papers, resigned my commission, (effective 15Oct2009) and renounced my payout along with my 2/3rds pay retirement, (I’ve been in a long, long, time… before the changes to retirement — tells you how old I am…). It is good to know that my service and those of my Uncles, cousins and sons counts for *nothing* because I don’t toe her line.
Goodbye, comrade Stinkweed.
But, Stinkweed said one cogent thing before she went home to the DU:
It is *our* fault. In some ways, anyway. When did we, each of us complaining here stop teaching the Constitution? I know that with my somewhat busy life, deployments, PCSing every 3, 3.5 yrs, the kids (I’m LDS, remember? LOTS of kids… [grin]). I grew lax, teaching about our history, outside of the family.
Mormons have a night set apart, Monday night, world-wide called Family Home Evening. At that time we are charged, (among other charges,) to teach all needful things to our families. Our Church believes that The Constitution is a Heavenly Banner and Divinely Inspired. Literally Divinely Inspired. I have used this night, as have many of us in the Church, to teach about the Constitution, the history of our founding, the Founding Fathers, and all the rest.
My starting handbook was “The Five Thousand Year Leap” by Skousen. It is subtitled: “Constitution Studies 101″ and came about because when he was asked to give a talk about the Constitution to a group of lawyers he found that there was nowhere gathered the basics of how our that paper with our supreme laws came about, or what the underpinnings, the contributions of prior peoples to that document were.
So, while I have little but contempt for a person as false as Stinkweed, who regardless of circumstances supports a person of like mind, I must honestly acknowledge that I haven’t done all that I could.
I could organize and teach groups about Our history. I could teach them about The Republic. Which is one reason I refused pinning on a star, (ie, refused the next rank for you non-military types…) and resigned my commission, and refused my pension.
My thinking goes like this:
1) As an officer in the USAF I am limited in my ability to act in the political spectrum.
2) I firmly believe that Pres. B.ody O.dor is going to make any effort at telling an accurate account of our history a political matter.
3) The Gov. has shown that if you take their money, you must do what they say. I agree. So, I don’t take their money.
I know that part of this is OT, but I do get fed up w/those shout-you-down’ers such as Stinkweed, and though I don’t care about her attacks on me, I know that there are people here who will be intimidated by her blarney. I *will not* sit still for that!
I actually enjoy her attempts at humiliation, I’ve got her attacks on me and Dad pinned up on the board in my home and our family all think that though they lack creativity, they have a certain (unintentional but) low-thought-process humor.
And, I’ve defended her when she’s been right, though she can’t remember it. Kind of like her hero, McCain, who can’t remember when Conservatives stood with him…
Sorry, guys, about the length of this comment! I’m really trying to hold them down & not hijack the thread. I promise to work even harder at behaving after this!
I doubt that we will see republicans take a majority of black voters any time soon, but once they discover that a black president can be just as disappointing as a white one, I suspect that the pendulum will swing a bit more the other way. No way a party can (or really should) claim 95% of any demographic for any extended period of time.
I think your premise is false.
Whether Palin needs McCain to defend her and whether he should defend her are two entirely different issues.
I think that what Michelle has been pointing out is that McCain is always there to defend people, even men like Lieberman. He was there to defend Obama for goodness’ sake, even though the attacks he was disavowing were perfectly legitimate. But when it comes to the person (not woman, person) that actually put something on the line to help him he’s oddly, and shamefully, silent.
That’s got nothing to do with Palin needing a knight in shining armor. It has everything to do with McCain caring more about his enemies than his friends.
As Presidential campaigns go I’m starting to see McCain as our Kerry. No one was particularly enthused about his candidacy but he was nominated because people thought he was “electable”. Hopefully we’ve learned our lesson.
(for the record I am not comparing McCain and Kerry based on their Viet Nam experience. McCain’s was honorable, Kerry’s was not, period. I’m only talking about campaigns)
Red, the reason it looks like McSham’s different on taxes is he plays a shell game: CarbonTax. Everything live, once living, transported, changed from its raw state, etc, can be taxed under the Carbon Tax.
After all, if you breath, and you touch it, carbon dioxide has had a role in it.
Yes, when I’m flying, and its late at night over a large body of water, I’ve thought that too.
I’ve wanted to pull the yellow bar when I’ve dwelled on that thought…
McCain did not flip-flop on those issues, alas. He was depressingly consistent and wrong.
And Hispanics are not interested in amnesty. They vote Dem because they are poor people and the Dems are the party which gives stuff to poor people. Reagans amnesty in 1986 was followed by a decrease in Hispanic support for Bush Sr in 1998.
All that aside, it’s amusing to watch you Democrats support massive illegal immigraton when it cause all sorts of things which you are supposedly against.
For instance, it leads to increased income inequality, a worse standard of living for the working poor, and has a devastating enviromental impact.
But since the only true core conviction of Democrats is “Democrats should run the country” I suppose you can turn a blind eye to all that without losing any sleep.
I’m putting the Republican party on notice: Back McCain or any other RINOs and you lose my vote. Period.
Sarah was a step in the right direction.
Learn from this or suffer more defeat.
Something my wife said in an email to me:
mik, why is Sen. McCain is helping Obama clear out Republican challengers for 2012?
She’s a little more charitable than I am, and thinks that McSham is simply wrong-headed, not simple-minded.
I truly hope Sarah returns to the national scene. She’s so much better qualified than Obama–whose resume is that he was a ‘community rabble-rouser’ and then voted ‘present’ in the IL state senate. Oh, and once he was the only other person on a board with a domestic terrorist once on the FBI most-wanted list. THIS is the person we’re supposed to ‘bow down’ to??
1988, of course.
I’d say “playing for the other team” myself.
Yes, me too. The wife is one of the kindest persons I’ve ever met cannot believe that someone could love this country and still turncoat. Since he once was (seemingly) a good man, she feels there is still a nugget of that in there somewhere.
Me, I think it atrophied during his first campaign.
Tepid presidential candidate and senator. McCain has never been willing to take a stand if it meant his neck was on the line. Disappointing yet not very surprising.
Sarah Palin took all the flak while McCain duck and covered. That’s the shameful part that McCain will not only account for but appologize for. Sad but true.
Republican voters picked McCain over Rudy, Fred and the others. NOT the republican party.
John McCain is the person who picked Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin would have been happy to stay governor of Alaska and not at this time sought out higher national office, if it weren’t for John McCain.
…… unbelievable.
in open primaries…not all were ‘republican’ voters.
and then watching mccain QUICKLY defend BHO..but then taking days, and LAMELY defending palin…
he’s behind trashing her, no doubt. he’s a piece of trash.
Then how many democrats voted for McCain. Do you have a number, or are you just guessing and don’t have any facts whatsoever to back up your opinion?
And ‘he’s behind trashing her, no doubt.’ got any fact for that as well? Because he picked her, he’s been defending her for 2 months, and now in the linked video, he’s still defending her.
McCain DERANGEMENT syndrome is rampant here.
You’re doing aheckofajeorb, and I hope you’re proud of your community.
All that aside, it’s amusing to watch you Democrats support massive illegal immigraton when it cause all sorts of things which you are supposedly against.
For instance, it leads to increased income inequality, a worse standard of living for the working poor, and has a devastating enviromental impact.
that should read:
That is only because our wealth pool is being dilluted by more poor, but that doesn’t make anyone worse off. Immigrants benefit by being making a better living than they would in their come countries, and American-born citizens benefit by having access to cheap labor. Win win.
R4L, don’t feed the troll.
As MM pointed out in a different thread, these are the people who say “MDS” and “Bailout good!” trying to shout others down.
Well, you know dim_man, it isn’t viruses that are a cause of illness. If you’d just stop saying its the virus’ fault, you’d never get a headcold!
There. Now I’ve fed the Troll: Irish Stinkweed in drag…
Bad Mike! Bad Mike! Stop feeding the trolls!
wise_man’s been out recovering from oral-anal mccain poisoning…
(OAMP).
Good to see you back! Hope you can get that OAMP under control!
Among the CLOSED primaries and caucuses that were held before Romney dropped out, McCain won Florida, California, New York, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Hawaii, Connecticut, and Delaware, while Romney took Maine, Alaska, Colorado, North Dakota.
There is no one but Republicans to blame for McCain.
What a flippant attitude to have towards someone you invited on board to help you achieve your own personal goal(the presidency), losing, then not having the man-hood, courage or class to call a stop to the petty back biting being done by his own people…but more than willing to praise a left winger, Lieberman. He showed an extremely shameful attitude towards Gov. Palin after the loss, IMHO I think he was jealous of her, the crowds she turned out, which he couldn’t have gotten 1/3 as many and he knew it.
McCain spent his senatorial career fighting conservative, Republican issues. It’s ironic his removal of the 1st amendment from the citizenry in elections came back to bite him on the a$$.
For those of you twisting the topic of this thread to his gallant career of being a free acting, thinking RINO, miss the whole point of the thread. McCain does not even have the courtesy and character to stand up for a person that eliminated him from being whooped in a landslide both populous vote and electoral.
In his loss and Odumo’s win I have been released in my own mind and heart in future votes. I now no longer have to vote for the LOTE’s.
I admire and greatly appreciate Juan’s sacrifice made in Viet Nam, saying that I think he may have lost or left his character and class in Hanoi.
Drop dead.