McCain wins…
John McCain can claim a victory. He has won the Right Wing News blogger poll for “Least Favorite Person on the Right.”
Well, I’d quibble with the “on the Right” part…
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The rightwing leaders would have talked about how strict constructionist judges would be chosen, and how it’s important to defeat Obama. The Base would have voted against Obama no matter what. All the Palin pick did was alienate moderates/independents and some republicans. Luckily for your side, you have smart people like Newt and Rove working for you, and Palin won’t get a sniff of the WhiteHouse in 2012. The head of your 2012 ticket will be fiscally conservative and socially MODERATE. Illegal immigration will be back on the table, though. You’ll see. You can have your far right christian “values”, but the fat cats in power want to win. Palin-Jindal, Palin-Tancredo, Palin-Romney, Palin-Jesus, would lose in a landslide, but please bring it on.
BTW, please make Palin-Keyes a reality. That announcement would be one of the top-ten greatest days of my adult life.
Wow, what a sad life you must live.
I was starting to feel bad for McCain being thrown under the bus while reading this thread. Then I remembered, he gets what he deserves for selling out. He decided to kiss the ring of the agents of intolerance. He decided to flipflop on the very issues that made him a so-called Maverick. He amazingly decided to bring in the same Bush advisors who smeared and slandered him in SC 2000.
Lastly, he’s the “country first” guy who chose Sarah freaking Palin. Sorry, Senator, you reap what you sow.
Have at him.
Sound familiar????
That doesn’t explain Reagan’s popularity. Nor does it explain the vote in California re Prop 8.
I agree, he sold out to the libs.
On the other hand, if you had to spend the next four years serving as an apologist for the ongoing huge disasters that even Joe Biden knows Obama will bring about, your life would be one angry, miserable lot, too. It’s like being a cheerleader on the Titabic.
Interesting and apt comparison. Even liberals are starting to come out now to note the Obama “creepy”-factor.
That’s when the Moral Majority was highly influential, Americans were freaked out about commies, and the country was generally more intolerant and conservative. A lot has changed in 20 years.
We’re in the age of Ellen, Will and Grace, and Sex in the City. Oprah rules supreme. Look who just won the White House.
Yes it does. You can be like Obama and be against gay marriage, but for Civil Unions. The voters who voted yes on Prop 8, guess who most voted for, for President? People make fun of Obama’s nuanced views on social matters, but that’s where America is at mentally. Try that Us. v. them stuff with gay rights,abortion and intelligent design, and see what happens. You notice that even Palin was smart enough to keep her trap shut about ID and abortion restrictions during the campaign. She won’t have that luxury next time. Not that I believe she’ll have a next time.
In what way, other than skin color?
Her life is proof of her convictions re abortion. Anything she says would be redundant.
And this is good because?
Red Pill,
Just wanted to thank you for your detailed, and actually relatively persuasive, response to my query. Frankly I think both parties should do away with open primaries, though they admittedly helped my guy this year.
I thought the exit poll information was interesting. As for the issues with media coverage, true or not, I don’t think that absolves Republicans from the votes they cast.
More proof liberalism is a disease.
Hey Chap!
Hey soap.
Me too! On the right of what? The FAR left? On the right of the slightly left of center? I believe McCain is a patriot. However, like many politicians who have aspirations of power, he straddles the fence between the left and right for one reason and one reason only…for the accumulation of votes. It’s called pandering, and any politician that conducts themselves this way, IMHO, are doing nothing but selling out their core values and principles.
It is my hope for the future, that we conservatives find a leader, not a candidate, who espouses our beliefs, all of the time, and who doesn’t compromise them just to get votes or for an opponent’s appeasment.
Those voters who want someone who will “reach across the aisle” can join the Democrat Party. It IS the party of inclusiveness. They prove it every election cycle. They will take anyone in to their busom no matter their ideology. Liberals, socialists, communists, radicals, idiots, uneducated, perverted, criminals, RINOs, and anyone else that thinks they will get to suckle off the people’s teat.
The only payoff I want is a government that functions correctly, keeps our country safe, stays out of my pockets, and doesn’t force me to swallow dogma I don’t agree with.
SoCal said (#55):
Grow up. Life involves tradeoffs (have or eat the cake). If we spend more on defense, so we finance that spending by debt or taxes? Do we balance the budget or keep taxes low (two Republican goals)? Do we support repressive governments that support our interests (Pakistan)?
If you think all issues are easy and that any right minded person would agree on them all, you’re not a thinking conservative. But you could staff for Sarah Palin.
lgm,
I wish you were tired from bing an idiot. I know the rest of us are.
lgm, like a good liberal, you left out the obvious: Cut back government!!
It’s not about good or bad for the purposes of this discussion. It’s about reality.
Actually her views on Intelligent Design and no abortion under any circumstance save the mother’s life, aren’t well known nationally. Many of her core stances weren’t brought up, because many believe her pregnant daughter and handicapped son were more important. I wish her beliefs were focused on more.
Sigh, Obama is against gay marriage. But he isn’t dogmatic or devisive about it. The words sin or hell are never brought up. He’s for Civil Unions or Domestic Partnerships as a legal equivalent.
Soap muttered:
Many conservatives say the same thing, and it just shows how arrogant, and shallow many of you are.
Anyway,
Choose Alan Keyes. Choose Alan Keyes.
LOL
The issue of “dogmatic or divisive” is a label used to marginalize opposition. I’m sure Obama will act out of conviction in carrying out the will of the people when this becomes a Federal issue once again. /sarc
Is it not true that blacks and Hispanics are more conservative than whites when it comes to abortion? If so, then being “like Obama” doesn’t translate much beyond the superficial, e.g., skin color.
If anything, I would say that Obama convinced some “conservatives” to vote for him b/c he spoke like one. McCain’s lack of conservative conviction created a vacuum which Obama brilliantly filled with conservative-sounding rhetoric. Not b/c he has the convictions of a conservative. But he certainly convinced you that he was going to, for example, “cut taxes” for “95% of the people” and “those making $250K or more” (which was then revised several times by his surrogates, but you still believe him). He also said many times “I agree with John McCain”–hence making moot whatever argument McCain made, however limp it may have been.
WOW, you just don’t get this. Alan Keys will not be chosen. Get off the Kool-Aid already.
Nope, No pathetic MDS here.
Hey, you got your wish Malkin, Obama 08. I wonder how long you can you keep wringing mileage out of it…
UH Bill,
It was none of our wishes for an Obama win. If you want to fling blame around, start with the RNC and work up.
History has shown a moderate Republican cannot win. They gave us moderate and it was a losing battle to begin with. You can blame Michelle if you want but the fact she held McCain’s feet to the fire should at least give you pause that she did not just let him slide on issues like:
Man caused Global warming (McCain supported).
A possible pro-death VP choice?
Crap sandwich 2.0 (McCain supported).
McCain being on the left side of immigration.
Should I go on or would you desire someone who just kisses his ring with every stupid move?
Soap, right on. Bill just can’t seem to get it that many conservatives throughout this country voted for the REPUB ticket, even though they didn’t like McCain…they were voting for Palin. Without her on the ticket, it would have been a real blowout.
As it was “hope and change” got only 2% more votes than George W. Bush in 2004, during the depth of the Iraq War.
Really?
I always thought of George Bush Sr. as a moderate.
And actually, I think George Bush Jr. ran as a pretty moderate candidate himself, with his “uniter not divider” and “compassionate conservatism.”
He rode in on Reagan’s coattails. If it weren’t for term limits, there wouldn’t have been a Bush Sr.
Chap,
Compare your two example to McCain and see how “moderate” they were. Besides, look who they were running against. CC’s collie could have won those races.
TO AD:
If he was so moderate, how’s acome the derned Donk’s fillherbusted so derned many of his choices for judges? :hack spitooy: .oO(Hope the was redneck enough for some of you!)
Soap…
I said he RAN and WON as a moderate. Not governed.
Chap,
Naw, in the last 2 years, W governed as a left of center moderate.
My like Obama was related to his nuanced, non-dogmatic views concerning gay marriage and gay rights in general.
Regarding the rest of the quote, I don’t think Blacks and Hispanics are single issue voters in a broad way. It was a big deal when Bush and Rove suckered many black folks into supporting him due to gay marriage crap. But correct me if I’m wrong, but I think he still only got about 10-14% of the Black vote. You’re not going to be able to cut significantly into the Black vote by just talking about abortion and gays. We care about so much more than that.
That was kind of the point of my first post on this thread. Obama opened the tent for different types of voters to come in. People like you want the Republican party to remain ultra-conservative in every since of the word. We have learned from the Dukakis fiasco. Many of you folks are still looking for a hawkish Pat Buchanan type. I don’t think that type can win the presidency. Thank Gawd.
That was one debate, the one about national security. I guess I’m missing your point here in the scheme of things regarding the election overall.
A girl can dream. Oh a girl can dream. Alan Keyes seems to have views in line with yours. Soap, please make it happen. Start a grassroots campaign. Please. The 2004 Illinois senate race was fun times.
Ok, Alan Keyes is my first choice. Sarah Palin is a close second. Please Soap, pretty pleeeaassssssssse.
Sure, as soon as you and lgm get a clue.
Ok. I’m going to ask that you quit picking on lgm. If he disgusts you so much, you should skip past his posts. There are about 6 or 7 clowns that I skip whenever I see their names. It’s quite liberating and saves reading and typing time. LGM is clearly in your head, so I’ll just ask my religious friends to pray for you if you’re unable to free yourself.
Soapbox, Soapbox, Soapbox, Soapbox.
Fantasia says:
…go ahead and free yourself….
Sshhhhh, Oh yeah.
WOW. You got a love thing for lgm and Alan Keyes and you think I have to be prayed for?
Well, Soap, Bill is frutrated and angry at himself for being wrong. Everyone could foresee the McCain Mistake from the get-go; I suspect Bill realized it too, but it’s difficult to face that fact.
I don’t usually post a whole lot from other blogs, but I’ll make an exception here since this sums it all up, please excuse the length:
From “Riehl World View”:
“You want some “straight-talk” on John McCain? Okay, here goes.
In a genuine tragedy McCain was taken prisoner and held captive in Vietnam for years suffering a terrible ordeal. For that the nation owes him much.
But the fact is, he dumped on his ex-wife when he returned - perhaps understandable given the turmoil he had endured. He traded on Reagan to get elected to the Senate and like nearly every Senator he’s always been all but a lock to be re-elected. Reagan even dumped him from his inner circle because the guy was such bad news.
And the media only fawned over him because he was anti-Republican and anti-conservative.
He isn’t terribly bright, has no over-arching political creed that even remotely qualifies him as a leader. And his temperament disqualifies him for POTUS to boot. If you took away the votes that were more anti-Obama than pro John McCain, he probably received fewer votes for President than any candidate of any party who ever ran.
America has been carrying McCain for years because of the POW chit he constantly keeps cashing-in. If he didnt’ exist in the Senate, where they spend half their time telling anyone who will listen how wonderful they all are, it’s doubtful McCain could even hold a job.
America knows a loser when she sees one and that’s why he lost against a too-liberal black man. He couldn’t even manage to display the basic competence someone wants in a President throughout his pathetic campaign that was bad chiefly because he’s the worst candidate Republicans have ever put up.
And that is the straight-talk when it comes John McCain.”
Neither are Obama’s tax payer funded abortions on demand with zero restrictions views, no parental notification views, and letting abortion survivors die in a closet views, and his belief in Black Liberation Theology AND Marxism. 75% of the American people don’t even know about Rev. Wright’s church and Obama’s 20 year apprenticeship there. Hmm, wonder why that is?
Yeah, I’ll put Palin’s abortion views against his any day. Obama’s views on abortion are a loser. That’s why it mostly never came up, and when it did, he lied about it, or lamely said it was over his pay grade and the ignorant masses pissed themselves over their perception of his brilliance.
If we run a moderate in 2012, we will lose again, unless Obama does the things he wants to do. If that happens, we can run pretty much anyone and win. But you keep drinking the kool aid in believing the only way Republicans can win is to become Democrats. That will only make the meltdown that much sweeter when you lose, lol.
Oh, and you Conservatives pushing Alan Keyes, please, get a clue.
On November 13th, 2008 at 3:22 pm,
Wishing doesn’t make it so, does it?
Why, because they didn’t remove McCain after he won the primaries? Or because they let him run in them in the first place?
Bull.
No, the voters did.
Like Daddy Yankee or any Hispanic that volunteered for his campaign…
At this point it is just kicking a corpse.
On November 13th, 2008 at 5:26 pm, purplepeep said:
Yeah… that’s it.
He is the guy who won the primaries! Do you think someone just waived a wand and there he was? He won the primaries and Obama won his. That is how we got the choice between the 2.
You know, it is amazing to me that people can see the photos of Obamas inner circle walking on flags or see the videos of them damning the USA or hear the words out of his mouth that the constitution is an inconvenient impediment to the governments job of handing other peoples money out on the basis of race…
Even more amazing that people who identify themselves as “conservatives” couldn’t set aside the bile to work to keep such a thing out of office.
Not quite as amazing but just sad that when the whole thing is over the MDS still isn’t at an end. Stay classy…
No, but I have to admit that it feels good to see that open borders anti-American loser McAmnesty not win.
Hear Hear …
Geez. There are Democrats to that jerk’s right.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
On November 13th, 2008 at 6:24 pm, SoCal said:
So better to have someone who is worse on open borders who you don’t have any leverage over. You found the right website. Unbelievable. And calling him anti-American?
One more thing.
If we keep insisting on ideologues who run on fire and brimstone we are going to lose. We need to run competent administrators who will focus on good governance and not f-ing up when in office like the last crew did. When a republican runs up bills that WE can’t pay it isn’t the democrat’s fault.
We have a 10 trillion dollar debt on a 13 trillion GDP and a ballooning budget deficit and we are on the verge of creating the largest set of entitlement programs since the New deal, larger as a matter of fact. That will get people dependent on government for their livelihoods and bankrupt us.
Yet the right seems determined to double down with the same policies that got us to where we are. There wont be a lot left to govern assuming that we ever DO get our heads on straight.
I’d be inclined to do more than “quibble.”
I HATE open-borders McAmnesty for his reach around shamnisty bill with Dead Kennedy.
And yes, I think trying to force an open border and giving amnesty to the Mexicans that are here is almost treasonous. He is an angry little man that should take his trophy wife and her money and just go away.
Obama repeatedly said he agreed with McCain…not just in a single debate. He said it on the stump, too. I’m giving him props for the brilliant (or cunning, however you want to see it) move.
BTW, “opening the tent” = “disingenuous rhetoric.” He talks a good game, but I hope you’re not too disappointed when your take-home pay is not what you’re expecting.
Bill, now we’re getting somewhere. I guess the whole “Christian” thing is what is really bothering you about Sarah Palin.
On a different note, socialistic, moderate, left-leaning, squishy Repubs are a BIG problem for the party. Why can’t you see that President Bush’s socialistic policies helped to screw things up for this election cycle? I voted for the man twice, I’ve earned the right to criticize him.
He did the same screwy thing right AFTER the 2006 elections when Rs got trounced, THEN he decides to replace Rumsfeld. How’s that for vision?
I will give McCain credit where it is due. He was right about the surge, and he was right about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac 3 years ago.
But he lost b/c of who he is. No one is trying to discriminate against POWs here. We all admire his sacrifice and can’t imagine the horror he went through.
But trading on that while shamelessly pandering to left-wing policies is a recipe for disaster. W/o Palin on the ticket, Obama would have had 60% or more of the vote. I really believe that. She has more executive experience than the other 3 contenders combined.
MDS didn’t kill McCain’s chance for the Presidency, John McCain did. For the last time, as I have said this to you now at least 3 times, THERE ARE MANY AMERICANS WHO CALL THEMSELVES “CONSERVATIVES” WHO VOTED FOR THE R TICKET. We didn’t like McCain, and we still don’t, but we voted for his ticket. Stop blustering about “MDS” already.
Why is it you and Chap are the only two people to challenge this? For the sake of argument, let’s say you are right. What happened with McCain?
1. He is way too far left
2. He was sunk UNTIL Palin
3. Most of us voted Palin or Republican
4. He is gone and Michelle IS NOT to blame.
5. He will not be around for the next try.
6. If we are handed a “Maverick” next run we can expect more of the same.
7. Maybe the RNC & the powers that be will learn - maybe.
8. Obama still sucks between the two but we can’t blame Obama either.
9. McCain didn’t act like he wanted to win.
I could go on all night.
MtsEdge,
Here-here!
On November 13th, 2008 at 6:58 pm, SoCal said:
Great news! You got Obama.
And again, now you have open borders and no leverage.
Must be contagious.
I think you will get your wish and everything that comes with it.
Laree said:
Sarah Palin isn’t done, she isn’t destroyed, she has the highest approval ratings of any Republican right now 91%.
Didn’t the media support McAmnesty before he won the republican nomination?? hmmmmm… and look how well that worked out.
Well, it is the way it is, and I have to find joy somewhere, and it is in hoping things go downhill for the little open border rat… Don’t let the door hit ya McAmnesty ya loser.
On November 13th, 2008 at 8:11 pm, MtsEdge said:
Why would I doubt that?
Nope. It was the fact that she couldn’t get past Katie Couric… What would she have been able to do against Vladimir Putin?
Best to drive folks away from the republican party, right? That’s a good way to win.
That and a whole lot of other policies. Policies like never vetoing pork for instance, even when it came from a republican congress.
It depends on who replaced her.
It doesn’t matter. In politics perception equals reality and it was possible to make her look like an idiot. It it the case? No. I honestly don’t think so. Does she have more executive experience than the other 3 contenders? Yes. (Seeing as their executive experience is zero that isn’t setting the bar too high.) It doesn’t matter that she is smart or that has would have been better than Obama in so many ways… What matters is that a hostile press was able to make her look like an imbecile in large part because she wasn’t experienced in how to deal with them. They would not have been able to do that with other candidates who didn’t pass some narrow litmus test tossed out by the people represented here who would rather have 1 100% candidate than 10 90% and the work that comes with pushing them toward doing the right thing.
It didn’t help.
I am going to hold you to that.
Like you have something else to do.
That doesn’t mean that McCain got a fair shake on this forum. Nor does it mean that McCain didn’t have to fend off attacks from both ends of the spectrum.
Scroll up. Read some of the commentary and realize this has been going on throughout the campaign Indeed worse. While most genuine conservatives realized that it was time to circle the wagons Malkin continued to trot out every straw man to scapegoat and vilify the old man.. and now that it is over and we have Obama as president it continues. That is MDS.
Bill, did McCain do anything WRONG in your eyes?
On November 13th, 2008 at 8:12 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
The whole echo-chamber thing?
The stock market imploded and the public decided to hold exactly the wrong people accountable. The media was acting as a wing of the Obama campaign, he adhered to a code of conduct that the opposition wasn’t about to adhere to. (He didn’t trot out Rev. Wright, etc.) He is as old as the hills. He chose a running mate that was made to look like an airhead. Obama was able to link him with Bush who has been vilified throughout the past 4 years. Etc etc…
The main problem with the Republican Party has been their inability to communicate a coherent and compelling message to the American public. The other problem is that they blew it when they were in office. If we don’t have an honest assessment of what we did wrong rather than setting up a fall guy and a martyr than we are going to keep losing and become more irrelevant.
So doesn’t that rule out Sarah Palin? Careful. You are treading on the whole martyr status here..
Honestly, are you encouraged that anyone is going to learn anything?
On November 13th, 2008 at 9:02 pm, MtsEdge said:
Plenty. He had some very bad ideas and his view of certain things was startlingly naive. His time has come and past years ago. He would have been at best a caretaker president. Even then it would have taken work and pressure to keep him from doing something stupid.
What we got is something far more cynical and a-moral. Lamentably not stupid either. Lamentably because I believe he will be effective in pushing his agenda.
That is an honest answer to your question, Now, do you think he got a fair shake here?
Give it a rest, Bill! You keep blaming Michelle and this forum for McCain’s loss. He didn’t lose because of us. Most of us voted for him. We may have voted for him as the lesser of two evils but we voted for him.
McCain brags about being a “maverick.” A maverick is an unbranded range animal. It can also mean a person who thinks independently, a lone dissenter, a non-conformist or rebel.
So why do you want us to toe the party line like a bunch of branded sheep? Why do you criticize Michelle and this forum every time something negative is said about McCain? Don’t we have the right to “dissent” and to “think independently” like your hero, the Maverick? If it’s good enough for McCain it’s good enough for us.
A Conservative stands on principles and doesn’t abandon them just to win an election. Yes, sometimes we have to accept a temporary compromise and support the lesser of two evils, like we did with McCain, but we don’t have to abandon our ultimate goals, or stop speaking out against what we think is wrong.
If our party leaders share our conservative principles, we will enthusiastically support them. But if they turn their backs on us and our principles to “reach across the aisle” and embrace liberalism, we will not remain silent in our criticism just to feign party unity. If you believe the goal is to win at all costs, then we will just have to disagree.
Bull.
Maybe you voted for him, but quite a few folks here did not. And quite a few of Michelles readers who don’t post, didn’t even vote because they were demoralized and defeated before election day even arrived.
Look… this is a prominent conservative website, one of the most prominent on the conservative right.
Michelle could have used this blog for a positive purpose - keeping a corrupt, terror-loving Marxist thug out of the White House - instead of choosing defeatism, but she chose not to.
And why? Because of her irrational, all-consuming HATRED of John McCain. She just couldn’t let it go.
The constant, dripping, corrosive, senseless and demoralizing criticism and negativity from Michelle Malkin.com DIRECTLY contributed to the loss of the McCain/Palin ticket.
Even when roundly criticized by many of her fellow conservatives for her hate-filled negative rants she absolutely REFUSED to stop her shrill and nearly constant harping day after day after day… right up until the day before the election.
I lay much of the blame for McCains’ loss squarely at the feet of arrogant, irresponsible right-wing bloggers like her. This country is going to go through a period of misery that we’ve not seen the likes for generations because of people like her, and our children are going to pay the price for generations to come.
This was a VERY close election, and had she she made the decision to curb her acid criticism and be positive and upbeat between the primaries and election day, the outcome of the election in all likelihood would have been quite different. And I’m certainly not the only one who thinks so.
I have no sympathy whatsoever for Ms. Malkin. The next four years are going to be HELL for my family and for ALL Americans because of Michelle Malkin and people like her, and she deserves every single bit of criticism that is being leveled in her direction.
Even more appalling, she’s spent the last year wallowing in abject adoration from like-minded sychophants from every degenerate, deranged extremist corner of the right-wing blogosphere. Paulians, European and American jew-haters and white supremacists, neo-militiamen, North American Union conspiracy theorists, anti-government “Patriots”, advocates of mass deportation and racial genocide… the list goes on and on.
Because she was either uncapable or unwilling to restrain her obsessive right-wing arrogance, she has effectively helped to dare I say it, DAMN America and her fellow Americans… and I sincerely hope that she spends the next four miserable years of her life taking a long, hard look in the mirror while begging God for forgiveness.
Believe me, every public rant that she makes about the Obama administration is going to be met with multiple reminders from those of us who begged her to behave responsibly, that she is partly responsible for letting it happen.
You reap what you sow, Michelle. A very hard lesson that you’re going to be learning over the course of the next four to eight years.
I hate him too. He kissed the butts of the Mexicans and look how much it helped him. Conservatives should learn from this that giving in to illegal behavior because they hope they will get votes is STUPID!
Put the old amnesty goat out to pasture, and get some TOUGH new blood in there.
Oh Miss Justice, even if 99 percent of the public was for pro abortion,,, how would you explain your opinion abortion to the Lord on Judgement Day???,, This would be your true reality for all eternity. Sometimes its not popular to be on the rightous side of issues.
SoCal: I disagree. Unlike the left’s equivalent sites, Malkin has posted on principle–regardless of political party. The GOP has abandoned conservatism in much the same way the Dems abandoned Kennedy and shifted to the extreme left.
You won’t find the dual criticism of both main political parties that you’ll find here on a left blog. Why? Because George Soros won’t allow it. You’ll get unhinged dishonesty there. Here, you’ll get honesty unafraid. If McCain suffers (which I highly doubt) because of it, so be it.
And I voted for McCain–because it was the equivalent of a vote against Obama, and a vote for wouldn’t have stood a snowball’s chance in Hades of serving the dual purpose of “protest vote” and “have a chance to bring down the Lightgiver.”
…er…Irish Rose. (Sorry SoCal) I agree with you on the illegal piece, too.
ROFL at Irish Rose.
Seems you are the one with “hate” issues.
P.S. You give Michelle more power than she has. Michelle didn’t tank McCain, McCain tanked McCain. Get over it.
Yup
On November 14th, 2008 at 12:04 am, Papa Louie said:
Keep kicking him when he is out…
The constant unfair and unhinged haranguing didn’t help.
That is exactly what I don’t want. If we don’t have an honest assessment of what we did wrong rather than setting up a fall guy and a martyr than we are going to keep losing and become more irrelevant.
The degree of visceral venom that has been directed toward the man here went far beyond fair ages ago. It didn’t cost the election but it DID cost votes. One would think that now that she has gotten what she wished for; his career is over, that she would let up. Nope.
If you think a lot of what has gone on here is independent thought…
In other words, anyone who disagrees with what has been advocated here is either a RINO or a non conservative. Seems to me that a lot of “conservatives” here just want the inverse of what a lot of “liberals” are after; an ideological nanny state that minds everyone else’s business. That however is besides the specific point that McCain has not gotten fair treatment on this blog. I haven’t seen anyone try to argue that he has, just tell others to “Give it a rest” for pointing it out.
On November 14th, 2008 at 9:17 am, Irish Rose said:
Have to admit, someone reading the continual unfair effort to trash McCain while trying to lure senior citizens into a rental van that they drove 4 hours to a battleground state in order to get them to the polling center to keep Obama out might make them question whether or not such treachery should be rewarded with credence as a credible “conservative”.
When something inaccurate or “unfair” is posted here, I welcome posters who correct the misinformation and present the truth. I believe Michelle does too. But what I don’t like to see are posts that attack the messenger instead of the message. If you disagree with her message, refute it point by point if you can. Educate us by giving us examples of untruths or unfair statements, but don’t go off on emotional tirades about how “unfair” the posts are without giving any specifics to back it up.
Who’s being unfair now? McCain’s run for President is over but his career is not over. He started his run for President as a Senior Senator and he’s still a Senior Senator. He’s never been anything more.
Unlike Bob Dole, McCain did not resign from the Senate to run for President. He still has the power to reach across the aisle to the majority party and try to create another diaster like McCain-Feingold or McCain-Kennedy. So Michelle Malkin has as much of a right and a duty to keep us informed about McCain now, as she did before.
We can’t just forget about the election or we are doomed to repeat history. It’s important that we do a postmortem on this election so we can learn from our mistakes and not repeat them. (Although, I have a feeling there are some who would like to keep repeating the same mistakes over and over in the vain hope of a different outcome.)
Is the above the first post of mine you have read? For about 6 months there has been an effort to do just that. Tell me, how does one refute, point by point “Daddy Yankee endorsement, another pathetic McCain pander”? The waiving around of Juan Hernandez, a nobody campaign volunteer? Or the fact that McCain knows Richard Armitage… Go through the links tagged “John McCain” and you will see that I have done just what you have advocated, but the “point” that has been a consistent theme here has been to drag the man down. That helped Obama.
He is pretty much through as a force to be reckoned with. If that isn’t so we can probably expect more of your “Emmanuel Goldstein 2 minutes of hate” from Malkin.
Indeed, is that what: “John McCain can claim a victory. He has won the Right Wing News blogger poll for “Least Favorite Person on the Right” was intended to be? Or just another cynical set up?
I have the same feeling. Indeed, I couldn’t agree more. It seems that we are more comfortable with a scapegoat and a martyr. Next time out we are probably going to let the perfect be the enemy of the acceptable and either insist that we send out some imbecile who pays better lip service or worse; some genuine imbecile like Alan Keyes in the vain hope of a different outcome. Meanwhile the country suffers.
Yup they keep mistaking moderates for conservatives and wonder why the GOP looks like a mirror image of the democrat party and then blame the critics as possessing this nonsensical “MDS” when they balk about bothering to vote for the “R” candidate.
McCain got the most votes in the primaries. The “they” you speak of is actually “we”. By the way, I didn’t vote for him in the primaries.
Nonsensical? So he got a fair shake here? Seems to me you weren’t saying that not too long ago.
Hey, they got the “D” one.
love2rumba, you pretty much summed it up. McCain got a LOT more votes with Palin than he would have on his own. I don’t know who Bill Grant is, but he needs to re-evaluate his position with respect to conservatism if he thinks McCain-Lieberman or McCain-Clinton would have been a viable ticket.
On November 14th, 2008 at 11:56 pm, MtsEdge said:
“On his own” wasn’t an option.
Where in the hell did I endorse anything like McCain-Lieberman or McCain-Clinton?
I don’t know who MtsEdge is, but he/she sure does love love the strawman argument.
Why is Ann Coulter included? Shes a full conservative.
I can possibly understand Bill O Reilly being there since over the last few weeks… of the election he wasnt asking the tough questions when he did interviews with Obama - said he had no problem with Obama…
but even with all that… how could he and Ann Coulter be more hated than The McCain Staffers which should be father along the list.
That list doesnt make sense.
I can tell you the top people I love as Conservatives
Dead Heat
#1. Michelle Malkin / Laura Ingram
#2. Sean Hannity
#3. Rush Limbaugh
#4. Ann Coulter (Shes #4 only because I have yet to read her books… and only draw my opinion by her commentaries on Fox news)
#5. Monica Crowley
#6. Tammy Bruce
thank u MTSEDGE
love2rumba, you’re welcome.
Bill’s comment brings up an important question: Why did a moderate McCain win over the more conservative candidates in the Republican primary? We need to understand why this happened if we want to prevent history from repeating itself.
I took a look at the states that held primaries before Mitt Romney dropped out and conceded to McCain. Of the 12 states that voted for McCain in the primaries, only 3 voted for him in the general election. (There will be 4 if Missouri resolves for McCain.) Only 25-33% of the states that selected McCain as our candidate actually voted for him over Obama, and all of the big states McCain won (California, New York, and Florida) voted for Obama.
This means that it was the blue states that got to pick the Republican nominee. And let’s not forget that some of these states have open primaries where Democrats can cross over and vote in the Republican primary. No Bill, it was not “we” but “they” who got to select our nominee.
If we want to avoid this mistake in the future, we need to convince the Republican Party to hold its first primaries in “Red States” instead of “Blue States.” That would help us get a conservative candidate into the early lead. Why should the blue states Iowa and New Hampshire get to go first every time? Shouldn’t we reward red states by letting them choose first?
Below is a list of the 12 states that voted for McCain in the primaries. Only the highlighted states ended up voting for McCain over Obama in the general election:
New Hampshire, South Carolina, Florida, California, Arizona, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Oklahoma
Because more people voted for him.
Maybe we should kick the Blue states out of the union…
Oh of course, the usual suspects.
Congratulations, a conspiracy theory worthy of a camel trader. The democrats were in a tight race trying to decide between Clinton or Obama. Any of them who voted for McCain were certainly more than offset by an ACTUAL republican effort to keep Clinton in the race.
Why not… have fun with that.
Both states used to be red.
The democrats might have something to say about that, and since they are unified and we like to take pot shots at ourselves I think they will get their way on it.
So instead of attracting more voters we should fix the system to prevent what you might call RINO’s from skewing the results. I really don’t think that is going to get us out of the doghouse.
Here’s a crazy idea, let me know if I need to be medicated: Instead of alienating people who might be of benefit to us why don’t we focus on some modest goals like running competent people, getting them elected and NOT SCREWING UP. That way the republican brand wont be in the toilet. Instead of jumping at people who pay the social conservatives lip service and then proceed to spend like Paris Hilton with daddy’s credit card, why don’t we elect some competent administrators who can balance a budget?
‘Kuz they might be RINOs?