Who will quell the anti-Prop. 8 rage?
Pssst. Hey, “Lightworker.” Yeah, you, “Mr. Soul-fixer.” Bearer of “Hope and Change.”
Across the country, there are broken souls in need of fixing. They are the opponents of Proposition 8, California’s traditional marriage initiative, which passed 52-48 (the same margin you won by, Lightworker).
Perhaps you would care to weigh in and work your healing magic on the anti-Prop. 8 rabble-rousers who continue to wreak havoc on Mormon churches in several cities and states and blacklisting peaceful voters who supported the ballot measure.
It is getting very ugly out there and no one in the Democratic leadership has stepped up to condemn the insane rage, to borrow a phrase.
Where art thou, Lightworker?
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Sad:
The artistic director at California’s largest nonprofit musical theater company resigned Wednesday amid protests over his donation to a campaign to ban gay marriage in the state.
Scott Eckern stepped down from his job at the California Musical Theater in Sacramento after some gay activists called for a theater boycott.
He said he is leaving “after prayerful consideration to protect the organization and to help the healing in the local theatergoing and creative community.”
Eckern said he “chose to act upon my belief that the traditional definition of marriage should be preserved” but had no idea his contribution would generate such controversy. He said his sister is a lesbian in a domestic partnership, which he understands to carry the same legal rights as marriage.
The boycott calls — led by artists including “Hairspray” composer Marc Shaiman — began after activists learned Eckern contributed $1,000 to the Yes on 8 campaign.
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Great points, JHSII. The liberal propaganda about McCarthy is just sickening. The hatred directed towards him may have shortened his life, as he died at an early age. The fact that even people on this site toss out his name as synonymous with an evil act is evidence of the pervasiveness of liberal-think. He was their worst enemy.
cicero, I’m not understanding your post. But I think others have already addressed this, WRT the “license” and “right” issue.
That is not true. Civil unions are not marriages and not performed in churches so Christians have little issue with them. It is the Gay Activists that have rejected Civil Unions and demanded that the definition of Marriage change to accomodate their chosen lifestyle.
MOST Christians and Conservatives would not be in this fight if the Gays had accepted civil unions when they were offered and left it at that.
I remember 25 years ago when gay people were just happy not to be attacked for their sexual orientation. Now, they demand the right to marry, and they are the ones doing the attacking. Ironic.
Just heard on KCAL9 Los Angeles that the Mormon Temple here in Westwood has been closed due to an envelope filled with white powder.
Link
It’s not hard to wonder what would have happened had McCain got elected.
As someone who has lived both sides of the fence on this one … I understand the anger and pain these folks are feeling.
At the same time, the community I was a part of … way back in the day … wouldn’t act like this. We wouldn’t make the foolish mistake of equating this with the civil rights movement.
Today my primary identity is as a Christian so it is very difficult to watch a community I was a part of and the community I now belong to at “war” with each other. I understand it, fully support marriage and actively work to preserve it … that said. The people in the streets aren’t idiots. I believe they have been lied to and manipulated by the far left.
The democrats have no intention whatever of doing anything to stop this. For them this is a very good measure of what the public will tolerate in the way or post-election disturbances — crucial for all future elections. Second, it serves as a proving ground for just such actions. People need to understand — I know many do on this list but I’m talking about everyone else on the Right — that the Democrats are playing for keeps. Though there is no question in my mind that Obama will be vulnerable in 2012, the democrats are determined never to lose an election again. These disturbances are but one tactic.
Blacklist and Bullies
Blacklist:
What, I can’t go into your smutty pickup joint?
Bullies:
Ouch, stop pinching me!
mistressjustice
I assume your already understand the “slippery slope” arguments. The legal precedent of gay marriage, if created, would allow a never ending variation of sexual unions. You are correct when you say that a protected class is the key for special rights.
Most of the assumed gains for those groups that are protected, leads us to a larger issue. Why do we need a protected class of any kind? It is my contention that all anti-discrimination laws are reversible because they are counter to Natural Law. Natural laws perspectives are the only honest way of addressing Constitutional issues considering the dualistic nature of human-beings.
So true! The fun of being persecuted and shamed by your peers (starting in grade school, for many); denied the rights shared by your fellow citizens; and mocked within popular culture is something I think we all strive and long for, desperately. For most of “the gays,” coming out — to their families, to their friends, to their loved ones, to their communities — is not only an easy process, but one that often results in parental celebrations and bonus opportunities. No wonder so many people are jumping on the bandwagon with such gusto!
Sigh. It’s called sarcasm.
The reality is — whether you believe it’s a choice (it isn’t) or not — progressivism always wins, ultimately. Yes, Prop 8 failed. But gay marriage will happen. And I support the efforts of the gay community to overturn laws that target and discriminate them. I have too many friends and acquaintances in loving, caring, long-term, same-sex relationships to dispute the legitimacy of their unions. I’m sorry, but marriage is not a union that will be destroyed by gay marriage in a country where Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire is acceptable watching and 50% of heterosexual unions end in divorce. Please.
Yes, Prop 8 succeeded…
The Mormons went to all of the cemetaries too? Or are dead people not allowed to vote in California?
What do you have against dead people? … You mortalist!
OK there goes Nyk again with assumptions, and no facts. We all know what happens when we ASSume things. For those that are highly misinformed about the FACTS for the State of California, here they are with regards to domestic partnerships.
As of 2007, California affords domestic partnerships all of the same rights and responsibilities as marriages under state law (Cal. Fam. Code §297.5). Among these:
* Making health care decisions for each other in certain circumstances
* Hospital and jail visitation rights that were previously reserved for family members related by blood, adoption or marriage to the sick, injured or incarcerated person.
* Access to family health insurance plans (Cal. Ins. Code §10121.7)
* Spousal insurance policies (auto, life, homeowners etc..), this applies to all forms of insurance through the California Insurance Equality Act (Cal. Ins. Code §381.5)
* Sick care and similar family leave
* Stepparent adoption procedures
* Presumption that both members of the partnership are the parents of a child born into the partnership
* Suing for wrongful death of a domestic partner
* Rights involving wills, intestate succession, conservatorships and trusts
* The same property tax provisions otherwise available only to married couples (Cal. R&T Code §62p)
* Access to some survivor pension benefits
* Supervision of the Superior Court of California over dissolution and nullity proceedings
* The obligation to file state tax returns as a married couple (260k) commencing with the 2007 tax year (Cal R&T Code §18521d)
* The right for either partner to take the other partner’s surname after registration
* Community property rights and responsibilities previously only available to married spouses
* The right to request partner support (alimony) upon dissolution of the partnership (divorce)
* The same parental rights and responsibilities granted to and imposed upon spouses in a marriage
Got that?
Yup. In fact, I “got it” before your (fun fact filled!) post. I understand — as someone who cares about gay marriage, you see — that some states provide to gay couples many of the same provisions as married couples. I just don’t understand why people like you are opposed to calling it…uh, well, MARRIAGE.
No, they only go to the cemeteries when they want to baptize Holocaust bictims.
bictims/victims
Because you don’t understand all the outlying issues that go along with this.
The people of CA voted, twice, as a matter of fact, and they have chosen that marriage is between a man and a woman. TWICE.
Let’s all act like adults for a change and accept it.
Do you think I liked the fact that Obama got elected? No, I don’t. Do I have to go after all things liberal and riot? No, I respect the vote.
Marriage isn’t a “right”. You get a license to drive, a license to marry. It is not in the constitution that it is a “right” to marry. It is a privilege.
GET OVER IT.
I suspect very strongly that you do not. Nor do many of the people here. But I’ve read statements from many of them saying, for example, that they will work to have him impeached from day one, or that he isn’t their president and that they will not recognize him as such (all about a man who hasn’t yet taken office). This is the same kind of resistance the gay community is using, except in their case, MORE rational.
Tell that to your cohorts here who refuse to recognize our President Elect.
Just finished watching the news video of the elderly lady caught in the middle of peaceful and loving homosexuals wanting to tear her head off. Reminds me of a story in which the men of the city went after some strange flesh and the next morning while they were still blind, the whole town was dusted in a brimstone blast. Unfortunately for the modern day Sodomites, that day for them is fast approaching. I don’t make the rules to the game, I just play by them.
Webster defines marriage and he also defines moron and you can’t change the definitions.
For the same reason we oppose calling it “Buick” or “Europe”… because it isn’t.
Marriage is between one man and one woman. Period. It is not a definition that is available to be changed to satisfy and appease an insignifigant minority of the population.
You wanted a vote, you got a vote, and the voting public said no. So take the advice you have given Conservatives on the election of Obama. He got more votes and is going to be the President for the next four years… DEAL WITH IT.
The vote was taken and gay marriage was sshot down… DEAL WITH IT!
Maybe we can give some Muslim terrorists something to do by pointing them to behavior that is un-Islamic. This could be a significant PR coup for a thoughtful terrorist. Peace at last. America would be forever grateful. Bet the boys in the band won’t picket any mosques anytime soon.
Send them a link to sites that show public lewd behavior by these perverts and just step back.
Geez…regarding that blacklist site.
So believing marriage is between a man and a woman is the equivalent of Nazi behavior?
This reach for victimhood over this issue is sad. Even a progressive American like Pres.-elect Obama is against SSM.
Perhaps you only read part of my post. Yes, conservatives know Obama won. But no, they are not (in some cases — and look through some of the comments here if you don’t believe me) always recognizing that win. When you have people still attempting to discredit the PRESIDENT ELECT as a Muslim (like it matters) or a foreigner (as if he hasn’t been totally vetted), there’s obviously an effort not to acknowledge the results of the race.
Alas, that is their choice. So too, is it the choice of the gay community to struggle — in the same manner — for what they (and I) believe is right. It’s wholly American and good for them!
nyk
You extremist views damage all the tolerance the gay communities have worked for. You don’t understand the natural aversion that is built into the 97% of the humans on this planet. Most of us tolerate your perversions and pity your addition, but we will never accept a sick persons views as equal
additionaddictionI wonder when folks will realize that gays have always had the right to marry. Nothing is stopping them. Rock Hudson is a great example. A homosexual man has always been able to marry a woman, just as a homosexual woman has always been able to marry a man. We’re not talking about a gay person’s right to get married. The debate deals with definition of marriage. Marriage is defined in terms of one man and one woman. There are rules laid out by society: a man can’t marry his sister; a woman can’t marry a child; no one can marry a non-human; a man can’t have two wives… This isn’t like Jackie Robinson fighting to play baseball. As Voddie Baucham put it, Robinson wasn’t trying to add a 4th strike or add a base on the field; he just wanted to play the game.
If one wishes to change the rules, that’s fine. It’s up to the People. Either way though, homosexuals should not expect to get married in a Christian church, since doing so would wholly be against what Scripture says. Yes, the Christian God is narrow-minded, but I think He’s earned that right: He’s God.
Oh I read your quote. Here is why it is total horse-crap.
Some one the right have yet to accept Obama as their President-elect. Most of it is due to the fact that he has not taken office yet. But whether they have or not, there is nothing they can or will do about it.
Will they run crying to some Liberal judge to overturn the election, like Liberals are trying to do with Prop 8? NO!
Will they defy the results of the election and decalre someone else to be president, like Liberals will do by simply ignoring the law and marrying people anyway, a-la Gavin? NO!
Your analogy is ignorant and dismissed, NYK. So stop your idiotic double-standard and take your own advice. The people spoke and you lost. Regroup and try again later, like we will in four year. Until then, you are cordially invited to STFU!
Their tactic is simple, intimidate Christians, Catholics, Mormons, traditionalists, etc., etc. so much that the next time there is a vote enough of them won’t bother to go to the voting booth. Will these defenders of marraige buckle? I hope and pray they/we won’t but I am afraid enough will. Heck, if so-called pro-life Christians would vote for Obama then there is a good chance these so-called pro-family Christians will fold. Sad indeed…
They may not “recognize” him as their president, but that’s their choice. Remember? You folks are PRO-CHOICE.
However, we do not condone rioting, burning buildings, destroying property, attacking people, harassing church goers, forcing people out of jobs now, do we?
No, that’s the typical liberal style of politics. As in you people have no class.
Maybe if you once in a while respect people, and their vote, you may be taken seriously in the future.
The people of CA have voted, and Prop 8 got passed. TWICE we have passed this kind of legislation.
Now, move on.
Consider the source. Those that you don’t agree with (i.e., liberal/delusional whack jobs), you’re a racist, bigot and a Nazi. Not necessarily in that order all the time. Occassionally they’re interspersed with some choice words that begin with F.
Those references have been so overused, it has diluted their meanings.
Crickets from the troll.
Do me [sic] extremist views do that? I’m not gay (I live with my long-term boyfriend and — you’ll love this — he’s also anti-Prop 8), nor am I a cryptographer, but I’m guessing you’re saying that the protests the gay community has undertaken will ultimately hurt their cause. I think American history disagrees with you.
Uh…this is one of the most laughable examples of repression as “success” being a viable means of dealing with “subversive elements” I’ve ever heard of. Rock Hudson died of AIDS. He lived in a false marriage and, because he couldn’t publicly live with the mate of his choice, engaged in a far riskier behavior than he would’ve otherwise. How is that a good idea?
Gay people are BORN GAY.
PROGRESS INEVITABLY HAPPENS.
GET OVER IT.
Any other time and you’d be calling them Un-American.
Wow. Do you understand that that “pro-choice” is a term applied specifically to abortion rights? See, certainly nomenclatures are used only in relation to certain issues/terms. Look it up.
Oh, we know that all to well, NKY. Liberals are all VERY Pro-Choice…
…unless you Choose to own a gun.
…unless you Choose to have the baby.
…unless you Choose to home-school your children.
…unless you Choose to oppose gay marriage.
…unless you Choose to do anything a Liberal doesn’t like.
In other words, calling Liberals like you Pro-Choice is either the heighth of irony, or just another glaring example of your own pathetic double-standard.
Taking a page from the liberal -left-socialists-who never let their quests die ….
I will continue my quest for the answer..
Who funds..
And Who are the LEADERS of the ASH!!!????
Even if I conceded this point, would it matter? My 9-month old was born with this desire to push buttons on the TV. Should I allow him? Some are predisposed to temptations to steal things. Some are predisposed to lust. Some are predisposed to being prideful. Regardless of whether someone is “born” a particular way does not justify certain behaviors.
nyk,
You had me going. Up to this point I thought you were talking about us Christians.
This is just uninformed. I support your right to do any of those things. I don’t care IF you decide to have a kid (or if you ultimately do), IF you decide to buy a gun, HOW you choose to educate your kids, or IF you oppose gay marriage. You can do whatever you want. You don’t like public schools? Home school your kids. And have fun with it! You don’t like not having the right to marry? Protest it. It’s your right as an American.
Looks like we’re on the same page!
Invest in glasses, we are no where near the same page.
Guess what, you and I and every gay person in America have the same exacty rights to marry. We also have the same restrictions on who we cannot marry. Shall i list for you all the people I am unable to marry, regardless of my feeling for them?
This is not about the right to marry for you and me, this is about gay people demanding a special right just for them.
Of course, the electorate of the state of California spoke and said no to that special right. Too bad, so sad, you took a shot.
This is not about rights, NYK. And you know it!
Most Christians and conservatives are salad bar idealogues who have no desire to see gays get anything close to the benefits of marriage. It’s not about special rights or the word marriage, it’s about suppressing homosexuals
Meet the state of Florida here. No we’re not rioting. We’re just pissed and sad. Eff it.
I disagree. Look — I live with my boyfriend, and our parents have, over time, begrudgingly gotten used to it — because they know we’ll ultimately get married.
My gay friends, who love each other JUST as much? No such luck. Even when their parents support their relationships.
They deserve the same rights. That’s all I’m saying. Love is love.
I have to go to bed. But I genuinely believe what I wrote.
I want the list of the contributors to the Americans Against Hate AAH (the homosexual group)…
and their leadership list….
I am OUTRAGED that they are terrorizing my fellow Christians……
OUT RAGED —OUT RAGED—-
using the words of other groups who are perpetually OUTRAGED— CAIR-=–AAH—
I’ll add to the list as the other groups come to mind…..
C-CS
MOST Christians? You know all about Most Christians? I doubt it.
Most Christians believe the Bible, which tell us to hate the sin and love the sinner. Your impotent attempt to ascribe evil and malice to “MOST” Christians is both childish and ignorant.
MOST Christians want people to be happy. And they would be just as happy themselves to let people live the way they want to. You obviously have Christians (who ask people to covert by choice) confused with Muslims (who kill homosexuals and convert by force).
But I will say one thing. MOST christians are tired of the in-your-face-homosexuals that demad tolerance from everyone and give none in return. And they have no patience with a group of people demanding special rights for themselves while trying to deny others their rights.
Your isgnorance of what “MOST” Christains want or feel is noted.
Sigh… another tolerant, loving voice from the left. Nope, no hate in you…
Well, yeah, that’s the point. You claim to be PRO-CHOICE, but the ONLY choice for you is to terminate!
It’s a metaphor, idiot. Meaning…close minded, my way or the highway.
They have the same rights I have to marry within the law and the definition of marriage. No one is being denied any right. They are asking for a special right and a change to the definition of marriage.
Suppose I loved a girl as much as you love your boyfriend. And she loved me back. And she was only 9-years-old? Hey, love is love. Why can’t we get married?
The tact of calling gay marriage a right is not only a loser of an argument, but begins the slippery slope of new laws and new right.
Let them have their civil union. All the legal options exist now. What’s that you say? Not good enough? It’s got to be marriage or nothing?
Yep, that is why when the people are asked the question, the people say NO!!
In your little defensive rant you obviously didn’t refute this. You can’t.
This:
Is bullspit, and you know it. At least have the sac to speak the truth.
MJ – You don’t have a clue what most Christians think or feel.
See my above quote in #207.
What part of California’s domestic partnership LAW did you not get — “…all of the same rights and responsibilities as marriages under state law (Cal. Fam. Code §297.5)”
WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?
Is there a genetic defect with you folks? Or are you all just illiterate and need remedial classes in reading and comprehension?
Oh gee Stan that’s a slippery slope there. Next thing you know you’ll be wanting to have civil unions with 9 year olds. It’s a slippery slope you know. Yeah, right.
Oh, and one more thing…gun ownership IS actually part of the constitution.
Do you realize that many states, Florida for example, don’t permit “domestic partnerships” as described in #207. There’s a whole big country out there you know. You do know that don’t you?
Christian Soldier…I just looked at a website for Americans Against Hate, and it appears to be nothing more than a terrorism watchdog group.
Did I miss something…?
Settle down, Beavis. It’s not Americans Against Hate. That’s the group that works against CAIR.
Of course I disputed it, by showing how mind-numbingly ignorant of what Most Christians think. That in and of itself renders your entire post moot!
And other that complementing yourself for being ignorant, where did you in any way dispute what I said?
Oh, my bad. You are a Liberal. All you have to do is call something a lie, or ‘hate-speech’, or simply ignore it, and you can declare yourself a winner.
Sorry, but what I said is 100% true. The vast majority of Christians would drop this whole issue if gays would leave marriage and the church alone. We would still pray for them and try to get them to repent and convert, but that’s what we are doing now.
Keep screaming that Jesus was gay, that the church is evil for opposing homosexuality, that marriage can be anything you say it is. Keep assaulting Christians and invading the churchs. Keep doing all that and you will keep the attention of MOST Christians.
mistressjustice
The human condition demands discrimination for us to survival. That is obvious and demonstrable. All anti-discrimination laws will be eventually overturned because they are counter to Natural Law and therefor unconstitutional. To prohibit the personal need to discrimination is to prohibit the personal need to survive.
That must really bother you, MJ. The fact that Florida thinks that powers that do not belong to the federal government should rest in the states.
How dare they!
Yeah, and I also noticed we have a moon too.
Do you realize this thread is about Prop 8? (pay attention!) You know the one that was passed in CA…you do know where CA is, right? It’s that really big state on the west coast that borders Mexico, and right above it is that state called Oregon.
mookie—Settle down, Beavis. It’s not Americans Against Hate. That’s the group that works against CAIR.
SO B_H–what is the name of YOUR group so I can add it to my list…..
C-CS
quote from mookie…Settle down, Beavis. It’s not Americans Against Hate. That’s the group that works against CAIR.#248>>>>
I usually don’t deal w/name callers—small minds…..you know….but..
couldn’t resist the above…
C-CS
Please tell me, what is the proper context for the following text? “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
I want to be sure to avoid the label of a “salad bar” Christian, so I want to be sure I’m also interpreting this text properly as well: “So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.” Galatians 5:16-21
Watch out everyone! He has a list!
Precisely.
In order for a gay couple to enter into a legally-sanctioned marriage, the commonly accepted (and now legally enshrined) definition of marriage must be disregarded and a new definition must be employed.
Consider:
At the conclusion of the ceremony, is the gay couple pronounced husband and wife?
Of course not.
So contrary to the assertions of a few intrepid iconoclasts here at MM.com, legalizing gay marriage inevitably involves a redefinition of the institution, otherwise a change in nomenclature would not be necessary.
So the argument that gay marriage is an entitlement that must be accomodated because it would not involve a redefinition of an existing institution, while polygamy must not be tolerated because its acceptance would involve a radical restructuring of an established social convention is a fatuous one.
Traditional marriage (and even plural marriage) serves a purpose that is intimately related to procreation and child rearing. Not every married couple will either choose to or be capable of producing or rearing offspring, but all offspring are the product of a coupling of biological complements. Traditional marriage recognizes the unique fecundency of this kind of relationship. So, traditional marriage is society’s way of endorsing heterosexual relationships because, potentially, there are postive externalities associated with a heterosexual coupling.
By way of comparision, what does society stand to gain from endorsing gay sex (side from an increase in the incidence of pedophilia and AIDS?)
CAH
ACLU
…two additions to the list….
C-CS
Maybe the GLBT community should actually try to get convince the people using reason and logic and presenting their own proposition. Instead the GLBT community tries to force it down our throats using the court system. That is not what the court system is supposed to do! Stop trying to legislate through the judicial system!
Introduce A GLBT proposition. It could read something like this: “Marriage is defined as a domestic contract between any consenting adult(s) for the purpose of setting up a household.”
Of course, something like this would include polygamy, incestuous relationship (BS, BB, SS, FS, FD, MS, MD), and who knows what else might come up.
We can’t change your mind for you, and we shouldn’t try. The truth is what it is. It needs no defenders. It comes down to this: I and others have cast their lot with what the Bible says. You and a vast number of others have chosen a different path. It’s not about who is better or worse than whom (or is it whom/who, I can’t keep that straight
Assuming that you are one that has chosen the non-Bible path, I appeal to you to re-consider. We are not haters that want others to suffer. We simply seek to live in the way our Creator made us to live. We are pots and God is the potter. He made us and knows what is best for us. In the Christians’ view, throwing the Bible away is tantamount to throwing away the owner’s manual for the Human Being. Doing this will wreck our lives.
Please come with us to eternal life. Don’t go down that wrong road!
Perhaps you’ll get a Fighting Keyboardists patch!
Well, looks like they went to a new low level in faking anthrax attacks and are wasting taxpayer dollars to boot on crime lab fees.
Mormon Temples in Utah, L.A. Targeted With White Powder
Find ‘em and toss ‘em jail. There’s a mandatory federal sentence for that, isn’t there?
My area of specialty is in the medical field, not law, so I don’t have a clue on the mandatory federal sentence question.
Here’s hoping the criminals sending the fake threat left fingerprints or other biological evidence that leads back to them. No different then sending in a fake bomb, so I’m hoping the feds take it seriously.
Who the hell are you talking to, or about? You have a problem with me talking about the hypocrisy in
most, screw it, all Christians, and then you lump me into your paranoia about queers assualting you and invading your churches. I’m not in CA, a-hole.What bothers me is that Christians pick and choose what to believe in order to make their lives comfortable. What doesn’t surprise me is that you yap about civil unions being ok and fair, and then shrug your shoulders when it’s proven not to be available in many places. This issue will eventually be decided by SCOTUS, and homosexuals will have the right to marry based on a 14th amendment analysis. It will happen, no thanks to you.
Here’s a gem:
Yeah, that’s what I do a-hole. Every Sunday afternoon.
How big of a wimpy, sissy do you have to be to believe that I’ve said anything about Christians being evil on this issue? You’re not evil, you’re weak. You’re only satisfied if you have somebody else to deny freedoms to. It was Blacks and women, and now it continues to be homosexuals. You take your little freaken book, and you decide what seems comfortable, what works for your daily life.
In the scheme of things it doesn’t affect your life at all if two queers marry each other. It has nothing to do with children or polygamy, or beastiality. You folks just throw that out there to find some type of bogus moral equivalency, and smear homosexuals as perverts. If you look at the vast history of your book of fairy tales, less and less is followed or adhered to over the years. Society evolves, though on on this issue it will be long past worms are eating your remains. The bible can and will be used as a source of inspiration, no more or less than Oprah’s book of the month. Until then, it will be used to manipulate, divide and marginilize. Things will improve. In the mean time, we stay pissed off, and fight and fight,legally and peacefully.
Go defend your superstitions to somebody who cares, or can’t see through all of your B.S.
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MALDF….
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Don’t forget CSIAT.
With all due respect FM, I find that to be esoteric rhetoric. If we had that type of patience and trust, I’d be serving you your dinnah aftah picken cotton fo da missus.
You talk about faith in the constitution. Well it’s because of people’s tears, sweat and blood that, that document has been amended to grant rights to so many Americans. Homosexuals will get taken into account some day. In the mean time, lobby, litigate, and vote.
I’m going to bed.
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“Manipulate”? How? “Divide”? Well, consider the first four commandments, which basically say, (1) “I’m God. You don’t get another one.” (2) “Don’t make anything that looks like me.” (3) “Don’t mess with my name.” (4) “Don’t mess with my day.” Like I say, God is about as narrow-minded as they come. Considering the source, I’d say He’s earned it. I don’t know how someone could look at the 66 books of the Bible, which was written by over 40 authors, over a distance of three continents, over a 1500 year period, in three different languages, and whose accounts all corroborate one another though most of the authors had never met, and say it was not divine in origin. You have specific dates, places, events, and people, not to mention the manuscript evidence, that all point to a divine origin.
Sure, you can call beliefs in a Christian God “superstitions”, but that doesn’t negate the evidence of His existence.
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Fact #1: We who oppose homosexual legal marriage do not need to explain or justify our views. It is one of our God given freedoms.
Fact#2: The majority of Americans are willing to tolerate homosexuals unless they behave like, well, like @ssholes. When Homosexuals assault, harass, or harm those whom they believe voted for a ban, they eliminate all sympathy for their viewpoints and invite retaliation and violence directed against them – and rightly so. Harm me or my family and you get to meet Mr. Smith and Wesson – and I don’t mean cooking oil.
Fact#3 People who protest the results of free elections are likely to fundamentally really reject free elections – and that makes them enemies of democracy and freedom. Don’t come around asking or demanding help while openly declaring war on our freedoms.
Fact#4 Anyone coming in and disrupting a church service is committing sacrilege. I notice that the homosexuals singled out Christians and stayed away from the mosques despite the fact of what happens to homosexuals in Muslim countries. This reveal both cowardice as well as anti-Christian discrimination and intolerance. We are sick of your whining, sick of you infecting yourselves with AIDS and acting like you were helpless to prevent it, sick of your insisting it is our responsibility to pay for your medical treatments at some point,, and sick of your lack of gratitude that the nation has helped so much to fight HIV to try to help you.
Fact#5 I really don’t care if you are homosexual. It is the way you treat us that makes me dislike you and want to interfere with all of your agendas. You call us homophobic and then demand money, our vote, and complete acceptance. Bad attitude – all you get from me is, “Go to hell.”
All of us are hypocrites, not just Christians.
All of us do this, not just Christians.
For what it’s worth, as a Christian, I suspect that you spend Sunday afternoons more wisely (unless you’re watching the Dallas Cowboys lose – talk about non-Christian!)
I sincerely pray that my life never descends to that depraved state.
Every nation, people, tribe, and language will be represented in the next life (Revelation 5:9) Who are we (Christians) to denigrate Blacks? God made them and loves them just like all of us. As for your women comment: the same applies. I presume your comment refers to the disrespectful mistreatment of women that appears in many places throughout the Bible. God did not mean this to happen. Carnally minded men did this. It was wrong then and still is today, but it did happen and so it is in the Bible. God thinks women are absolutely wonderful and VERY worthy of mens’ utmost respect and loyalty. There are many Bible verses that prove this…
As to the homosexual question… God did not mean for this to happen. It is clear from the scripture in several places. Does God hate the “homo”? No, he does not. He loves them, as he loves all of us sinners. What God does not love is that a block of persons parades around claiming that they deserve acceptance just because so many of them are doing it. It’s the old strength in numbers syndrome.
You, too, have a “little freaken book”. It just happens to not be the Bible.
How do you know? What if it does? Of course it doesn’t matter if just two do it. That isn’t the point. The question is how will it affect our lives if society accepted this as normal behavior. I can’t pretend to know the full ramifications of this and neither can you, but I suspect that it wouldn’t be good.
No it doesn’t. Every generation thinks that it is the one that discovered sex. Every generation looks back on older generations as morally and intellectually inferior. That they just didn’t get it like we do. People are people and we’ll always be just that… people.
Can’t argue with you there, but as I’ve said, people are people.
You think the Bible is for the superstitious, for those who believe in fairy tales and magic, for the foolish and naive. You have the right to that opinion and even God respects that right. You have got to know though that you’ve been expressing anger toward a caricature of true Christianity. I just can’t accept that you really think that every Christian is some Bible thumping, hick that believes in fairy tales and hates fags. I suspect that you are angry about something else and it is coming out on this blog. Please consider that there are true Christians that are aware of their own shortcomings and embrace the Love, Acceptance, and Forgiveness that God offers, myself included. He offers it to you, even now…
What REALLY upsets the Libs about this is that this Supreme Court doesn’t favor their side. Oh, the 9th Circuit will come along with an injunction, I am sure. However, when it gets to SCOTUS, they should pass on the case completely as the Federal Government has absolutely no business getting involved in this.
Stop acting like children and grow up. Sexual choice does not make you special – it is a choice. Just like I choose to think that you are terrorists.
oooooooh!!! He called us a name!
Yep. I did. Let’s see, A person or group that uses violence on innocents in order to push a policital agenda.. hmmmmmmm,, what’s that called again?
Oh yes, TERRORIST.
Please prove that using the scientific method. Since it is the ULTIMATE proof of evolution and all things left. By theway, I do believe in evolution. SHOCKER!
Heh nyk. You had me fooled for a second there. I thought you were talking about conservatives. Anyway, carry on.
Gay people are born gay?
By the same logic, pedophiles are born that way.
What you do with your sexuality is a choice. Who you are attracted to sexually may be determined by physical and mental factors but how one acts upon those impulses is entirely a choice.
Example: every ounce of my being tells me that Socialists shouldn’t be allowed to vote (because there should be some level of mental competence as a prerequisite). However, I use restraint and do not act on that impulse. They can, and apparently do vote. NO ONE tries to stop them. Not even me. Therefore, I have an impulse and I control it by making rational decisions. I do not attempt to impose my impulse on the world as “normality” and then use violence to further my impulse on the collective.
It’s called responsibility. Making up the assertion that a person is “born that way” is an insult. The color of a person’s skin is caused because a person is “born that way”. Some handicaps exist because a person is “born that way”. To assert that someone’s sexual choice is made because they are “born that way” should be an insult to everyone who has had to struggle because of a condition they were actually born to.
I personally don’t care who or what you make love to. I am very offended however when the State tries to tell my kids that this type of sexuality is “normal”.
Here is an idea, show a little class.
Even McCain walked away when he lost by the same percentage.
Of course, he (at least nominally) is not a Democrat.
BTW – straight people acting in a similar way = HATE CRIME.
DemoCommie Hypocracy at work yet again..
That’s the beauty of America, if the state you live in does not suit you, move to a state that does.
I don’t see anyone complaining that gay marriage is “offensive” to the moslems in this country. Usually, when such a complaint comes out, the liberals scramble and fall all over each other, to comply. They certainly don’t want to get the moslem faith against them. Where’s CAIR? Funny, I don’t see any protests around mosques either. If this was a conservative issue, and not a liberal one….
Bullies? You want to talk about bullying? How about the dreadful bullying that gay teenagers get because you refuse to send the message that they’re not social outcasts! Well?
Are religious nuts BORN religious nuts? Or are they just born AGAIN religious nuts?
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As fun as it would be to Fisk that pointless and idiotic rant of yours, there would be no point. Contridiction follows contridiction. And your mind-reading abilities stink.
For all your pointless yapping, all you said was “I’m right and anyone who think differnet is a stupid hate-filled Christian bigot.” Classy as always MJ.
So let’s see if I can sum up your points.
Gay should be allowed to do anything they want.
If the people don’t vote the way you think they should, then the vote should be overturned by the courts.
Christians have no right whatsoever to oppose gays because that would be mean.
An individual state does not have the right to set it’s own laws if the law they pass offends you.
Changing a generations-old definition of marriage will have no effect on marriage, society, or religion.
Did I miss any?
Errah, they will let this and other things fester while they make ready the way for new anointed one come January with all pomp aaand fanfare thus paving the way for the steamroller of liberal legislation during the first 100 days, Mark my words errah. God help us all . . . .
You mean there are gay people at schools that get treated like Conservatives at those same schools are treated every day? Shocking!
Just as I though, this is not about tolerance. It is about acceptance and the removal of free speech.
Tell you what, Omu. Why don’t you and a friend try an experiment at school on Monday. One of you wear a ‘Gay Pride’ T-Shirt, while the other wears a ‘Straight Pride’ T-Shirt and see which on gets the most bullying!
Make sure you count the bullying coming from the teachers as well!
nyk etc. your tactics of violence and intimidation will bring on violence and intimidation. the more you rub people’s noses in your business the more you invite backlash. you better plan on anti gay protests and the escalation that will bring, because there are a lot of people waiting for an excuse. just a thought.