Who will quell the anti-Prop. 8 rage?
Pssst. Hey, “Lightworker.” Yeah, you, “Mr. Soul-fixer.” Bearer of “Hope and Change.”
Across the country, there are broken souls in need of fixing. They are the opponents of Proposition 8, California’s traditional marriage initiative, which passed 52-48 (the same margin you won by, Lightworker).
Perhaps you would care to weigh in and work your healing magic on the anti-Prop. 8 rabble-rousers who continue to wreak havoc on Mormon churches in several cities and states and blacklisting peaceful voters who supported the ballot measure.
It is getting very ugly out there and no one in the Democratic leadership has stepped up to condemn the insane rage, to borrow a phrase.
Where art thou, Lightworker?
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Sad:
The artistic director at California’s largest nonprofit musical theater company resigned Wednesday amid protests over his donation to a campaign to ban gay marriage in the state.
Scott Eckern stepped down from his job at the California Musical Theater in Sacramento after some gay activists called for a theater boycott.
He said he is leaving “after prayerful consideration to protect the organization and to help the healing in the local theatergoing and creative community.”
Eckern said he “chose to act upon my belief that the traditional definition of marriage should be preserved” but had no idea his contribution would generate such controversy. He said his sister is a lesbian in a domestic partnership, which he understands to carry the same legal rights as marriage.
The boycott calls — led by artists including “Hairspray” composer Marc Shaiman — began after activists learned Eckern contributed $1,000 to the Yes on 8 campaign.
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I am shocked and dismayed about this bad behavior.
The old saying, “It takes one to know one.” comes to mind. The far left is always accusing conservatives in general and Republicans in particular of being thuggish in how they try to go about effecting change and implementing their policy positions. Some go so far as to say “Rethuglicans” they are so outraged.
Could it be that these far left loons are the ones who cannot control their base urges and are employing this thuggish behavior?
What is more disappointing though is the total lack of condemnation from Democrat political leaders in general and President-elect Barack Obama in particular. However, we probably should not be surprised as his record is one of not bucking his political base such as the far left loons.
Nor have I ever heard anyone “doom them all to hell.” Not ever.
I am not shocked but quite worried that you buy into the stereotype that faith is a form of bigotry.
Omu is right about one thing: teenagers who are gay (or marked as possibly gay by other kids) are mercilessly tormented by their peers. I vehemently denied being gay when I was a kid, and I was tortured. By the time I got to jr. high school I had been called every anti-gay slur you can imagine and beaten up more times than I could remember. Then it only got worse.
I’m not really bitter about the experience. It helped make me the person I am today. I’m not saying I’d go out for coffee with those people now, but I don’t hate them, either. Things haven’t changed much. Teachers may make a big to-do about a shirt that says “straight pride,” but that kid’s peers won’t beat the living daylights out of him. That can be more demoralizing than anybody realizes.
I may not agree with a lot of Omu’s arguments, but I do agree with that one.
Maybe the problem is that you don’t understand what gays hear all the time from the conservative religious folk…
Who is Bill Whatcott?
And if the gays don’t like his ability to practice the 1st Amendment, TOUGH!
There ya go… the point is made.
My job here is done.
Hi Yo Silver, AWAY!
So are kids they don’t like, kinds that dress differnetly, kids that speak differently, kids that don’t live in the same neighborhood as they do, kids that makes better grades than they do, kids that are worse at sports than they are…
The list goes on. You want a Supreme Court decision making it a federal crime for kids to not get the widdle fweelings hurt while they are in school?
So are redheads, smart kids, kids wearing the wrong label on their pants, kids who don’t like football, stoner kids, straight-edge kids, Christian kids, pagan kids…
we’re hearing from gay folks right now…and yes this type of hatred is what christians hear all the time from them.
he’s a canadian. so he doesn’t have the first amendment.
socal can always point to an individual nut, but they cannot point to anything comparable to the riots we see now from the ‘tolerant’ gay community, from christians.
oh and uh post your source please. interesting that you did not…
oh I did a little research…
looks like socal is a lying piece of trash.
oops forgot the link:
link
you really are a piece of work socal.
Yep, the evil name calling is what your kind of people do..
Once again, you made my point!
Hi Yo Silver!
in your dreams. I’ve just proven what a lying wacko you are.
thanks socal for illustrating the lies and distortions that the gay movement is relies, and is built upon!
Doesn’t your magical being in the sky supposedly say that you should not judge lest ye be judged, or something mystical like that? Yet you always seem to be spewing your judgement and hate where ever you go.
Homosexuals are some of the kindest and best Americans we have, yet you evil people want to call them names and make their lives miserable.
Some of the religious people I know are good and loving people, but you jihadists are just downright scary and dangerous.
Were those “kindest and best Americans” you are talking about the ones that slapped the cross out of the old lady’s hand and stomped on it? Or maybe they were the ones parading down the street naked in public? Or perhaps you mean the ones that deliberatley disrupted a church service?
So who is making who’s life miserable, SoCal?
at least I don’t have to LIE and SMEAR people to make a point, like you do!!
when you can tell the truth, let me know.
if you had any honor or decency at all you would apologize for smearing that man. but you don’t. you’re a typical gay activist..a hate-filled lying nut-case.
god is love… lol
your god, and you, definately are not lol
If you tried to take away my right to be married to my wife, I would KILL you dead.
And that is what you losers did. Gay people could be married in California a week ago, and you religious nuts took that away.
You are lucky they only slapped the cross out of that old bat’s hand. She is one STUPID religious nut.
are you threatening me? I’d really like to see you try.
so you’re going to go out and kill people huh? I think MM should report you to the authorities.
you are a sick EVIL deranged piece of sh**
BEHOLD! Liberal tolerance in action.
Gays could NEVER be legally married, as marriage is between one man and one woman. And when asked to vote on the subject, the electorate of California REJECTED gay marriage.
Nothing was taken away, as you cannot take away what you don’t have.
So you condone the violence against your opponent, but whine about protest against those you support?
You religious nuts are one angry and vicious bunch aren’t you?
Is “sh**” one of the holy words that comes up when you are speaking in tongues and rolling around on the floor with the snakes?
What of the thugs who did the slapping? Are you condoning actions beyond their slapping the cross out of her hands?
Another shining example of the tolerance of the left.
Put the cross in a gay person’s hand and let it get slapped to the ground because he/she is a STUPID religious nut and where do you stand then?
Do you even know the definition of hypocrisy?
If an old gay lady showed up at a religious nut protest she probably wouldn’t have been holding a cross, she is probably more intelligent than that.
But let us say that she did. Based on your comments here, she probably would have been tarred and feathered by you people.
not nearly as deranged vicious SICK and evil as you gay scum are. you’ve just proven it ‘honey’
you gonna threaten me some more?
you’d never say this to my face ‘honey’ and we both know it…
racist piece of sh**
On November 14th, 2008 at 3:04 am, conservative in europe said:
Oh my. You are revealing far more about yourself than I think you realize. I don’t know many people — gay, straight, or otherwise — who actually believe they have chosen their own sexual preference. Do you have something you would like to share with the class?
SoCal – Then you haven’t been reading. The majority of the religious folks here wouldn’t care if someone with a dissenting opinion showed up to a free speech rally at City Hall.
And you won’t find a practicing Mormon anywhere who would either shut someone up or tar and feather them. We’d probably invite her to Family Home Evening though. Or maybe a Pot Luck at Church. Or to Sunday service.
huggybear – I personally know many gay people who have told me they have chosen their lifestyle. The women because they hate men, and the men because “he knew he could indulge in lust with men that no woman would allow.”
While some others claim they are born like that. It doesn’t matter. The point is, we all have control over how we respond to our inclinations or temptations.
I really don’t mind religion. My mother was very religious and my sibling is a Christian Minister. I just get angry at all the hate some of the nuts spew.
Most of the Mormons that I know are VERY good people, good Americans, and raise their children well.
I guess the loud and angry, profanity spewing religious people responding on this blog don’t represent most good religious folk.
I will take a break now.. gonna have some lunch.
right4life – I understand tensions are running high. But you are really not doing your cause or your Savior any favors by adopting the ugly attitude.
Why not leave that behavior to them?
SoCal – Understood…
so reacting to a threat is ugly, but I find it interesting that you have not comdemned socal for threatening to MURDER people.
as far as I am concerned what I said is true. socal is a piece of sh**.
and no I’m not sorry for it. and if they’re offended too bad. I’m offended by people calling for the murder of those they disagree with.
and being nice isn’t going to convert someone like that. they are looking for people to bully.
SoCal, you and any other gay person are welcome in our church at any time. Unless you ACT UP you will NOT have anything slapped out of your hands, nor are you going to get tarred and feathered. You will be treated as any other sinner there (which would include ALL the church members) because we realize we are only human and have a sin nature — “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God” Romans 3:23.
My God, who will NOT be mocked (not a threat on my part, but a promise on His part) is the only judge and we are not judging, merely stating what He has taught us to do — hate the sin, love the sinner.
You might want to visit a real church some time — one that preaches God’s Word, not one that waters it down so as not to offend anyone — and also not one you make up in your fantasy world. Contrary to what you might believe, you won’t spontaneously burst into flames as you cross the threshhold!
nail49 and Joy actually sound like they might be the kind of religious folk that I knew growing up and ARE worth having around…
)
The angry in your face people (that I love to poke at and expose) are another thing completely.
Thank you. I actually spent MANY years in a real church, and it was fun and fine until I asked as a young adult, “What happened to the souls of the millions of Jews killed by Hitler?” and I was told, “They are burning in hell.” …and, well, I decided that I didn’t want to be a member of that club anymore…..
At least the Mormons, with their attempt to baptize the souls of the dead Jews, are TRYING to be loving and kind in their own way. The Christian minister just said, “Burning in hell.” and left it at that.
Those are the gay activists whose viloence and extortion you are defending.
So the Mormons are welcome to believe that a dead person can be saved, but Christians are not allowed to believe that Jesus is “…the Way, the Truth, and the Light. No man comes to the Father except through…” Him?
Again, you are a fine example of Liberals tolerance and acceptance.
you mean gays like you who threaten to MURDER people
the only thing you expose is your own hatred, intolerance, and idiocy.
Now I see the problem with your understanding of your bible..YOU CAN’T READ!
I said, “If you tried to take away my right to be married to my wife“
WIFE… you homophobic goofball!
SOCAL says that the violent homsexual protestors (the reason for this thread) are not representative of homsexuals as a whole. OK. So therefore one can say that Bill Wallcott (whoever he is) is not represesntative of all Christians?
My point was that stereotyping faith as bigotry (especially by using the likes of Bill Wallcott) shows your flawed reasoning. If you have no faith and all you have is reason…
Yes, they can believe what they want, and you can believe what you want, and if they want to sit in their church and pray for Jew’s souls, they can, but for any religious group to be sooooo sure about everything that they try to determine what others can do based on their belief system is just primitive and odd.
Mormons believe people have a second chance after death, as Peter and Paul made mention of, to hear the True Gospel of Jesus Christ, not a distorted one, and accept.
Our Heavenly Father loves all His children and the plan means to save as many as will accept. If someone never hears, or hears a twisted version and rejects that twisted version, or a child dies prior to the age of accountability, or many other reasons, they are not consigned to burn in hell for all eternity.
That’s why we do the baptisms for the dead. If they accept on the other side, their ordinance work is done. It is also the link between the generations of mankind. Sealing us all as families in eternity.
People that believe that seem to think Satan gets to make the rules and Heavenly Father had to scramble to come up with a plan B that only saves a small percent of His children.
I happen to believe that God made the plan, Jesus executed it, and the vast majority of His children will be saved. God wins… not the Devil.
Jesus died for ALL.
It’s far more complex than can be typed in a blog in a couple of paragraphs.
On November 14th, 2008 at 1:27 pm, SoCal said:
You are lucky they only slapped the cross out of that old bat’s hand. She is one STUPID religious nut.
No we understand perfectly, SoCal. You will excuse anything and everthing gays do, yet use the same hatred and threats of violence of anyone that dares to disagree with your vaunted opinion.
The gay community does not need your hatred and intolerance. It has plenty of its own!
“People that believe only a small fraction of people get saved” is how the 4th paragraph should start.
I guess when it’s rolling around in your head, it must not sound so contridicting as it does when you type it.
What a maroon!
I will agree, but wouldn’t you agree that a few posters on this site that claim to be Christians don’t act very Christain?
I mean, most Christians I know or have known didn’t act all crazy and rude. They didn’t take themselves too seriously and understood that the world is large and opinions are going to vary based on experience and geographical local.
Joy, I am not trying to turn this into a debate on the merits of the Mormon faith. My point was that SoCal is very selective in what he wants to allow religious organizations to believe. Mormons can beleive you can baptize the dead, but Christians are not allowed to believe the Jesus is the only way to be saved.
Like I said, selective indignation.
Again, demanding tolerance and acceptance from others, yet offering none yourself. Sorry, SoCal, but when you go out of your wqay to act like a jerk to other people, deliberatly insulting them and their religion, don’t expect sunshine and rainbows in return!
MY vaulted opinion?
lol… toooo funny.
SOCAL is right. To force our religion down others’ throats is wrongheaded. But that is not what the voters of CAL have done with Prop. 8. All they have done is resisted the redefinition of marriage. Civil Unions give people all the legal rights they are entitled to. Redfining marriage threatens the entire existance of the church. And with all the violent protests how can Christians think otherwise?
Socal – missed your previous post. Yes, the nasties on this site get too riled up at times. It’s a shame Christians sometimes cant act like Christians. I have got to go now. Peace be with you.
SoCal, I try hard to stay away from personal attacks, but your ilk and your behavior have so incensed me that I’m not sure I care right now. I’m sick of the threats, I’m sick of the taunting, I’m sick of the hypocrisy. Grow the hell up.
This is not worth getting your boxers in a wad over. It is not worth jail time. And the assertion that you would kill over this? You are insane. This sort of behavior makes us all look like idiots, and I refuse to claim your BS.
Knock it off. Go home, cool off, and think about how you can rationally talk to people instead of beating them up with your freakin’ rhetoric! Take a page from Mahatma Ghandi’s book and KNOCK THIS S— OFF!!!
See, a reasonable person that makes sense.
It is the loud in your face nuts that give religious groups a bad name. Like the gay nuts that ride in the parades sticking their business in everyone’s face.
I don’t blame you or them for your beliefs. It is just when you castigate others for not holding same… or act like your’s don’t stink.
It only takes a few bad apples on both sides of any issue to make everyone look bad.. How many Christian ministers or Catholic priests wander down the gay side from time to time?
I think the thing to do is just not throw rocks… we all have glass windows.
Which is exactly what you have been doing this entire thread, SoCal.
So spare us the lectures and your holier-than-thou attitude.
Like I said earlier, don’t come in here going out of your way to be a jerk to everyone and then tell us we need to be civil.
You are too funny… get over yourself. You are not that important to the world, and not at all to me.
But you see, I think I am right, and you are wrong. My opinion is better than yours in MY opinion, and you think some great spirit has your back. When we die, we will meet and see who is right. Until then, get used to others not agreeing with you.
No, you think you are right, and that anyone that does not hold the same opinion as you is stupid and has no right to that opinion.
And here’s some advise for you, my friend. If you are going to live your life as if there is no God, then you’d better be right!
See you on the other side… briefly!
Well, I would love to stick around and play, but I have to go now… good luck with your homophobia and all that!
muah!
)~
That will not be the last of SoCal, a dog will return to its own vomit and a pig to the mud. He has heard the truth and refuses to listen. A homophobe is one who is afraid of homosexuals, he has it all mixed up. I fear no man, I fear God alone.
this is what you said, moron.
so we took away your ‘right’ to marry your wife…sounds like you’re either a male top, or a lesbian.
do you even comprehend the drivel you write??? duhhhhhhhh
and anytime someone starts talking about MURDER…its a threat.
Please read what I posted about this…SOCAL LIED…this man is a christian, a former homosexual…who was charged with a HATE CRIME in canada because he preached that homosexuality is sin….
the same commission that ruled he was guilty of a hate crime, ACQUITED a band that had a song with the lyrics about KILLING CHRISTIANS…so he changed it to killing homosexuals to highlight the hypocrisy of the canadian ‘civil rights’ commission.
Socal had to lie to make a point, because he/she/it cannot do so any other way.
Whether I’m important to you or not, SoCal, I cannot believe you actually said you’d kill over this thing. I get along just fine with everyone here, and I’m gay. You can, in fact, have a perfectly civil discussion with these people. Accuse them of hate and of course they’re gonna get defensive! I wanna see illegals deported, and for that stance I’m called a racist–same principal, that pisses me off much the same way. Get your head outta your @$$. And I really don’t give a damn how important I’m NOT to you, keep that crap up and I will dog the gay community’s every step until they reel it in. I can be worse for you guys than any of the “religious nuts” you’re taunting here.
Stan W–just because kids are going to be bullied doesn’t make it okay, and I never suggested a Supreme Court ruling on the matter. Don’t put words in my mouth. I was responding to belittling comments made about something that really is a serious problem, nothing more. Are you always this grumpy?
Joy, thank you for being civil.
Okay AniMEL.. I will speak slowly, and add more words to make my point, because it is obvious either you didn’t read it, or understand it, or are just obtuse.
I SAID… I am a male, I am very much in love with my wife and my child. If you in ANY way tried to destroy my marriage I would kill you dead. I would crush your head with a stone and be glad you were dead. NO ONE will get between me and my family, no one. Any man that would do less is not a man.
That now said, I hope we are on the same page and that you agree with me.
My POINT, which you as a wonderful gay American SHOULD appreciate, was that the gays were getting married LEAGLLY in California just two weeks ago and now their joy of marriage is challenged by some dumb law by a bunch of religious nuts.
They may not agree with my words about them and their religion, which I think have some very good qualities…, but you and they sure better understand how I feel about my wife and ANY attempt to separate us or make our marriage void.
I did not in ANY way say that I was going to go running around killing ANYBODY… But why can’t the religious folk understand how gays feel about their marriage or plans of marriage being cancelled?
Okay, you gays can’t get married now, which I think is a shame, and I was simply trying to make the point…can’t you cut homosexuals and their anger some slack???
And about that, I don’t give a crap. Making religious nuts angry is no concern of mine, and is actually very cathartic.
Decent religious people of all creeds, as always, have all my respect.
Hmmmm…
And I was making sure you were aware that if a person in school is not bullied for being gay, they are bullied for having red hair or a strange last name, or any number of things.
In other words, KIDS IN SCHOOL GET BULLIED. Yet all that concerns you are the ones that get bullied for being gay. Boo-Hoo-Hoo. You want special compassion for them and want them protected?
Kids getting bullied for being gay is not a serious problem, as I and others pointed out to you. The only serious problem here is assigning extra sympathy or protection to a select group of people. Being Bullied in School is a terrible thing, no matter why it is done.
Are you always that condescending and sexist?
The guys like So Cal , OMU seem to have no fear what they say against the Lord. On Judgement Day they won’t say a word and they will shrink back and contemplate all the warnings they had about getting right and saved. Isaiah was right when he said in the last days that they will call evil good and good evil. I could go on but as it has been posted before it isn’t the Chrisitains throwing folks to hell but those who purposely reject God will end up their by ignoring His plan of Salvation.
uh so you compare yourself to Peter at his most shameful moment.
you should be ashamed. but you’re not man enough to apologize and own up to it, like Peter was.
you’re trash.
well since you’re such a macho man, and SOOOOO supportive of the gay lifestyle…if you have a son, why don’t you contact the local NAMBLA chapter for babysitting??
I’m sure they’d be more than happy to help!!
they have no idea whose they are…but they will someday…to their horror
never get between a fool and the fire.
This is partly what I’m talking about. Preaching a false Christ. I wouldn’t blame anyone for rejecting the Jesus preached by a foul-mouthed, hypocrite.
right4life – With comments like that, you’re the one who should feel shame. You’re the one who is supposed to know better. How can any Christian of any stripe show so much glee at the notion that you think someone will burn in hell for all eternity?
You need to take a long, long look in the mirror and into your own soul.
right4life – Maybe you need to remember that you’re talking to people that God loves.
Your comments in this thread are the most despicable simply because you claim to know Christ and claim to know of His love. How can you and say the things you do?
Good stuff
Fact#1 Homosexuals disrupting any church service iof any faith s desecration and we are sick of such behavior. If you homosexuals are unhappy with the ballot choices Christians make – tough! You have no right to disrupt our lives and our religious services based on how you think we voted in secrecy. I encourage anyone targeted by homosexuals for voting in this year’s election to file criminal complaints re: voter intimidation.
Fact#2 We don’t like your anti-Christian comments and rhetoric. If you expect to be spoken to in a decent and polite manner, then shut your damned mouth about our religion. If you are going to say the most inflammatory and hurtful comments about our faith, expect to be treated as an enemy. I personally oppose every GLBT initiative simply to frustrate homosexuals as I am sick of your slander directed against us.
Fact#3 Despite your perverted lifestyle and your disgraceful rhetoric about our religion, we will still fight to defend your safety and life as well as your privacy. We still see you as fellow Americans – your actions make me think you do not see us in the sane light. i recommend changing your behavior towards us lest we see you as a threat to our freedom and liberty – you do so at your own peril!
Fact #4 I have never mistreated any gay person. I have raised my children to treat all people politely. Dare to harm or threaten the safety of my family and you will regret it as soon as i find you.
Huggybear said
Is that supposed to make me uncomfortable?
Huggy, you make my point exactly. You are uncomfortable with your own lifestyle so you try and project it on others to make yourself feel normal.
What it really comes down to is that I made a statement based on FACTS that disagree with your supposition. Thus, your only argument is to call me gay.
Grow up.
SoCal–no, I cannot cut them some “slack.” Anger is one thing, but taking it out in this fashion? No way. Unacceptable. If you’re a straight guy, fantastic–but please, don’t act as though you really understand it. You don’t understand their side any more than you understand mine. If my fellow gays and lesbians want to change things, they need to start using their heads instead of trying to stir things up and deliberately making other people angry. They’re sabotaging all of us.
StanW–again, you’re putting words in my mouth. When, exactly, did I say that being bullied for being gay was any worse than any of those other things? I got bullied for other things, too, trust me. I got bullied for not having the cool clothes and cool shoes. I got laughed at because I liked to read. NEVER, at ANY POINT, did I suggest being bullied for being gay required a protected class. You’re beatin’ a dead horse here, dude. I have to ask, though, when was the last time you heard of a kid being beaten unconscious for having red hair? A 14-year-old who is taught in my friends’ music class was beaten severely because he was too “girly” (among a litany of anti-gay slurs). No, I don’t believe in hate crimes legislation, so don’t go there. But contrary to what you think, it is a problem. All bullying should be harshly dealt with, but I don’t think you understand just how violent some kids can get when another kid is just too different for them.
Joy–again, I have to agree with you.
We do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities of evil and darkness. Love the sinner, hate the sin. Legislate all you want in favor of the homosexual lifestyle, as a commited believer I will fight against it. Not against the person but the principle. There is a reason that homosexuality was a stonable offense in the old testement and still is an abomination in the new. Jesus never spoke directly to the issue, but the words “go and sin no more” carry the weight of eternity. It is our choice, to accept God’s provision in Christ’s sacrifice or reject it. Keep in mind that anything which exalts itself above the Word of God is pure evil.
I didn’t make the rules, I just play by the rules. I don’t want to be disqualified.
This is partly what I’m talking about. Preaching a false Christ. I wouldn’t blame anyone for rejecting the Jesus preached by a foul-mouthed, hypocrite.
you accuse me of preaching a false christ?? who do you think you are?? hmmm?? you should take the log out of your own eye, before you take the spec out of mine ‘honey’
you sanctimonious holier-than-thou hypocrite.
you’re a mormon, correct? well all your ‘love’ and your ‘concern’ is based upon a lie. so you can tell someone you ‘care’ but if you don’t tell them the truth, then all your ‘concern’ is just hypocritcal possturing to make yourself feel good.
and if you are a mormon, then YOU are the one who preaches a false christ.
you prove you’re a liar, your judgement is false about me. but so nice to put yourself in place of God as my judge.
As far as the comment about NAMBLA, it makes a very good point, how far do you take this support of the gay lifestyle? hmmmm?? after all NAMBLA is just another ‘alternative lifestyle’ right??
and who is to say what the age of consent is?? hmmmm??
you really are a piece of work there joy-less.
oh and joy-less
my comment about the fool and fire is true…ever hear of casting pearls before swine??
apparently thats what I am doing with you….
Right4life, what qualifies you to pass judgment on another person’s soul? Are you God? Do you know what her relationship with the Lord is like? I daresay not, now you’re just picking fights. Chill, dude.
why don’t you point out where I did that hmmm??
no, but apparently she knows mine, why aren’t you complaining to her?
and if she is a mormon, then yes, she is preaching a false christ. the jesus of the mormons is NOT the Jesus of the Bible.
Well, first off, our Jesus is indeed the Jesus of the Bible.
Have you ever read, ‘Ye shall know them by their fruits?’ It is you who are passing a final judgement on SoCal and Omu. I didn’t say one thing about your final destination.
Some fruit… The Jesus of the Bible is the One who died for all. The one who carried out His Father’s plan. The One who is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
If you think the Jesus of the Bible would appreciate your quotes while you’re supposedly sharing the Gospel, which means Good News, btw… you’re sadly mistaken. It’s one thing to recognize sin, and point it out. But it should always be done in a loving way.
And the reason it’s worse that you are saying these things, is because you claim to be one of His followers.
I haven’t pronounced anything on your soul. But you certainly have with Omu and SoCal. We make judgements every day. But we cannot possibly pass a final judgement on anyone. Do you really think the way to convert them is through the method you are using? I know of no one ever who was converted through hate-filled words.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God. He is the one who died for us and took our sins upon Him, both the punishment and the guilt. He raised from the dead and sits at the right hand of the Father. He makes intercession for us. He is the great Redeemer, The Prince of Peace and many more glorious things.
He, and only He can see into a person’s heart. Which is why I only point out the fruit of your mouth. Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. Your own words show what’s in your heart.
All I am trying to do is help you see that you will convert no one with those ugly words. In fact you send them further away. How will you account for that?
It is my hope you’ll take some time to ponder what being a child of God really means, and how you should act as a child of God.
WE all fall short, but we must keep trying.
you are a liar. you said I was preaching a ‘false christ’ therefore I am damned. I didn’t say one thing about their ‘final judgment’ you cannot point to it. you are a liar…what does that say about your fruits hmmmmmm???
get a clue ‘honey’ I wasn’t ‘sharing the gospel’ with these clowns…there is no reason to cast pearls before swine.
again, you are a liar. please post those judgements that I have rendered. go ahead it should be interesting.
sigh…again I was not trying to ‘convert’ them, because I know better than to try to ‘convert’ anyone on a messageboard
it truly is casting pearls before swine.
the mormons preach a FALSE CHRIST. the JESUS of the Bible is God Almighty, creator of heaven and earth….you will never be a ‘god’ for as Isaiah 43:10 says ‘before Me there were no gods formed and there will be none after’
your jesus is not the Eternal God of the universe. the Jesus of the Bible IS.
I hope you will turn from a false piety, and form of godliness…and renouncce the false christ of mormonism, and embrace the true Jesus of the Bible.
oh and yes socal and OMU ARE trash. truth is truth.
those things I said are true…and you cannot even address the truth of what I said about NAMBLA and the slippery slope that is the gay agenda
Right4life, she wasn’t judging the condition of your soul or of your theology, she was making remarks on the things you say and the tone you use. It is quite difficult to take you seriously as a Christian when you’re so rude all the time. I used to be the same way, man, and it took a long time to realize just how off-putting that was.
Don’t shove the NAMBLA thing in my face. You’re talking about an organization that believes that romantic, sexual relationships with young boys is perfectly normal, something the gay community does not foster. NAMBLA is shunned even by the gays and lesbians who hate me for my conservative views. Some of your arguments are quite valid; this one, however, is not. Much like SoCal and Omu, you’re giving the impression of merely trying to insult people.
There were no contrAdictions. Your reading comprehension abilities suck. I’m starting to see why.
Actually, I just have opinions, and never called anyone a hate-filled bigot, weak-minded yes. You people have a history of suppressing the freedoms of others based on a belief in your book. Of course your book of fairy tales justifies slavery and treating women as inferior to men. You don’t understand your reason for living, so your little book, which is filled with negativity and oppression provides a crutch. Society has dropped many of the ugly aspects in the bible over the years. A few still remain. You’re not hateful as far as I know. You’re weak. Props to the christians past and present, who have tried to use the bible as a source of good, and fought against those who use it to divide and condemn. These people have at least tried to use the good lettuce.
Wrong.
Wrong. On this particular issue, I think the Court will eventually rule in favor of allowing gay marriage with an Equal Protection analysis similar to Loving. Gays aren’t a protected class, yet.
Wrong. You folks can lawfully oppose whatever the hell you want. It’s part of what drives you. People like me have the right to call you weak-minded, and full of hypocrisy. We also have the right to boycott, protest, lobby, litigate, and vote. Gays don’t have tthe right to break the law without dealing with the ramifications legal, or psychological perception wise.
Wrong. An individual state has no right to set a law that violates the United States constitution. Loving, and thousands of other decisions say the same thing. SCOTUS will eventually rule in favor of gays on this issue as society evolves. If not strict scrutiny, perhaps they’ll use intermediate scrutiny with similar results in favor of the oppressed party.
Ahh. At least now you’re thinking. Yes there will be an effect. There will be a positive effect. Thank goodness for the courts.
I’ve helped you out here, but you’re not working with a full deck. If you respond, I’m sure it will be filled with your typical strawman rants, false accusations and phony outrage. My points here are very clear. You’ll miss it, either because you’re slow, dishonest, or both.
So Peter’s answer to Jesus is wrong? The one to which Jesus replied, “blessed art thou Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, by my Father which is in heaven.”
Interesting.
Please tell me which of the above is incorrect. And also please note where I said He isn’t what you said He is.
Also, please point to the quote of mine where I said you were damned.
Jesus said to love our enemies, bless them who curse you, and do good to them that hate you. That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven.
We can stand for truth without being mean, hateful and ugly toward those who we disagree.
she accused me of preaching a false christ…which is tantamount to saying I’m damned. don’t know how else to put it.
sorry I’m just not holy enough for you!!
actually I was making a point about the slippery slope, which you or joy cannot seem to address. if homosexuality is just a ‘lifestyle choice’ then why is pedophilia not? anything that can be said to justify the normalacy of homosexuality can be said for pedophilia. who decides what the age of consent is? and we both know the pedophilia movement is where the homosexual movement was 40 years ago.
yeah sometimes I do. I never claimed to be holier than thou…
MJ – You may be interested to know that the Latter-day Saints have always been against slavery. Our first Prophet of this dispensation prophesied about the civil war on December 25, 1832. He even gave specifics about it starting with rebellion in North Carolina.
One of the main reasons for our expulsion from Missouri was our stance against slavery.
Also of note, Utah granted women the right to vote in 1869 when still a territory. Although it was revoked by Congress in 1887. It was restored in 1895 when the Utah constitution was written for the new State. It passed with no dissent the first time in 1869 and didn’t take woman’s suffrage to get it.
Just thought you might find these facts interesting.
right4life – shouldn’t assume things. Some people preach a false Christ out of ignorance. Some know better and do it anyway.
So your excuse is that you don’t claim to be holier than thou. Whatever you have to tell yourself to excuse your abominable behavior.
Ye shall know them by their fruit…
Also right4life, Why would anyone debate political issues with you when all you do is hurl invective and get nasty?
Making the NAMBLA comments in the way you did, was not arguing a slippery slope, it was vicious and ugly.
let see…do you believe this:
how about this:
do you believe Jesus was created by the Father?
and do you believe the following:
so you believe you need works in addition to what Jesus did. clearly the mormons do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible.
you said I was preachng a false christ…therefore I am damned..no??
and you claimed that I damned these people..
but you cannot show me where I did this.
do you think you can become a god?
Clearly mormonism is NOT christian, and preach a different gospel, and another savior…not the Jesus, who is God Almighty…the ETERNAL uncreated God of the universe.
so joy, as I have established above, why do you preach a false christ?
so mentioning NAMBLA is vicious and ugly..but NAMBLA themselves are not, right? the point I made was valid..what is the limit of the gay agenda? and how far will it go?
NAMBLA EXISTS…sorry deal with it. please name a heterosexual equivalent…you cannot. and please explain to me why homosexuality IS a valid alternative lifestyle, and pedophilia IS NOT.
and the devil comes as an angel of light…
Yes. I have Mormon friends, and that is impressive. However, this:
has always bothered me. I know you can find an equivlalent with other leaders, but it’s still disappointing to say the least. Moreover, blacks couldn’t achieve the highest priesthood in the Mormon church until as late as frickin 1978. I believe the change was made purely because of shame and political pressure.
I know there are Black Mormons, including the great Gladys Knight, but your book still provides a basis for racial discrimination. Of course, it’s not acceptable to push those elements like B. Young used to, because society has evolved. Thank Gawd.
We have no love for each other, but I see you fighting the good fight on these boards, and taking on both sides of the political line. I respect that.
Oh well.