On November 16th, 2008 at 11:51 pm, Tanya said:
That’s a horrible thing to say.

why? its true. joseph smith was a false prophet, a liar, and a deceiver.

Joy has lied about me in this thread, and preaches the same false prophecies, and lies, that joseph smith taught.

On November 16th, 2008 at 6:12 pm, right4life said

That’s just a horrible thing to say.

The Sundance Film Festival is known to be extremely supportive of gay & lesbian artists and projects. Robert Redford’s charity depends on the Sundance Film Festival as their main source……

Christian: Abraham was an amazing Prophet. God made a covenant with him and said all the Nations would be blessed through him.

You: Abraham was a polygamist!! So he couldn’t be a Prophet! AND Sarah was his half sister! Sick!

Christian: By being willing to sacrifice his son Isaac, Abraham showed his trust in God.

You: Human sacrifice?? You are not a Christian if you believe in human sacrifice!! Only SATAN would inspire someone to kill their own child! That proves he wasn’t a Prophet. And again he was a polygamist! And a BIGOT because he thought he was better than other peoples that God would choose him over them. God would not be a respecter of persons and discriminate like that!

What about the Gentiles… HMMMM? He wouldn’t leave them out of His covenant!

Christian: Moses was a Prophet. Surely we can agree on that?

You: No he wasn’t, he lifted up a serpent and tried to liken that to Christ! We all know the serpent represents SATAN. Besides, the writer of the books about Moses WAS Moses. So it was Moses saying he was a Prophet, not God! He can’t be his own witness. Even his staff turned into a serpent. Can’t you see he was representing SATAN?!?!?!

Christian: But the serpent represented Christ on the Cross and that all you have to do is look to live. And look at all the miracles that were performed through Moses.

You: Satan can perform miracles too! He appears as an angel of light! God cursed the serpent in Genesis. You need to read your Scriptures more! Moses was possessed by SATAN. Besides Moses was a polygamist! And he included laws about plural marriage in the Law of Moses that allowed it! No REAL Prophet would have done that. And man oh man, the Israelites thought they could get to heaven by WORKS.

Christian: No, the laws were a schoolmaster to show them they needed a Savior.

You: A Schoolmaster that allows polygamy? Are you serious?? A Schoolmaster that kills animals thinking it makes God happy? What kind of freaky God do you serve?

Christian: No, no, the sacrifice of unblemished animals points to the sacrifice of Christ who had no sin. That made him the only one who could die in our place.

You: You are worthless POC that you think God would want people to kill innocent animals OR a person. What next? Your own babies? It’s a slippery slope! Besides Moses said God would lead him into the Promised land, and Moses didn’t get to go into the promised land did he??? HMMMM? False Prophet!

Christian: But…

You: So, you believe in killing innocent animals, your own children and worshipping serpents. Oh, and self-mutilation with that circumcision thing. You are some seriously sick people.

Christian: David was a wonderful King. He was a man after God’s own heart.

You: David committed adultery and murder and therefore couldn’t have been a man after God’s own heart! And he was polygamous!!!!! EV-IL!!

You Christians sure can’t defend your own religion. You make me sick!

And on and on it goes……… Constantly taking things out of context. Taking Scriptures that defend your position and conveniently leaving out the ones that don’t. How about taking them as a whole?

Setting up Straw Man arguments and then acting as if you’ve won by changing the subject and pelting 10 questions at a time which are always out of context and can’t be explained unless it’s taken as a whole.

A lot of things make no sense individually, but looked at as a whole make perfect sense. Some prophesies are like Jonah’s to the Ninavites, they’ll happen unless they repent. OR, they’ll happen unless a people disobey.

The LDS have never been perfect and did indeed lose some of the blessings they were promised because they weren’t obedient.

Just because you don’t understand latter-day Scripture, doesn’t make it untrue. All it means is that you can’t understand it. And that’s because you have preconceived notions about it.

If you didn’t know I was LDS we could actually have a pretty decent debate on the Scriptures. But some people can’t even do that.

Anyway, have a good night all. Fortunately for all of us, we have the perfect judge. Jesus Christ. I trust Him to judge my heart. I trust him to judge yours. And no, LDS don’t think we get to heaven by our own works. We can’t get anywhere without the Atonement of Jesus Christ. But we also believe that the evidence of acceptance is a change of heart that brings about a change in behavior and if you love Him, you’ll keep His commandments. Faith and works cannot be separated. They go hand in hand. Which when you see the Scriptures as a whole, that is the inescapable conclusion.

There is also a difference between the WORKS of the LAW of MOSES/circumcision and righteous works like taking care of widows and orphans and showing forth charity and love to our fellow men and women.

There’s also a huge difference between Accepted Church Cannon and Opinions of men, even Prophets. But yes, we do believe in ongoing revelation, where the latter is added upon the former to clarify and raise us to a new level of knowledge.

That until knowledge is done away, we still have Prophets, Apostles, pastors, teachers, etc.

(please forgive any misspellings or grammatical errors. I don’t have my reading glasses on and can’t see the screen all that well.) lol