The rabid anti-Prop. 8 mob demands total submission
You must read this. Read the whole thing. Make sure you get to this part:
The mainstream media have so far failed to get across the intensity of the ordeal that supporters of Prop 8 may now be subject to–something I realized on coming across this extraordinary blog account of a meeting at the legendary restaurant El Coyote in Hollywood, not far from where I grew up in Laurel Canyon. The meeting was between the elderly Mormon owner, who donated $100 to support Prop 8, and Prop 8 opponents, who are threatening a boycott, and it is as soul- grinding as something out of Soviet show trial history.
Yoo-hoo. Soul-fixer. Hello?
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Homosexuality is an abominable life style and recognized as such since the dawning of civilization by all peoples.
With man’s propensity for sin, it became rampant in Sodom and Gomorrah and we know what happened to those cities.
It’s running rampant again (and not just homosexuality) and it’s only a matter of time before this country will feel the wrath of God.
This election has brought to light many hypocrisies:
1. Feminism’s true agenda came to light.
2. Homosexuals have an agenda more than just acceptance and only used the words tolerance and intolerance to further their cause, not meaning to practice them. They will stop at nothing to gain total acceptance regardless if its under duress.
3. Journalism is dead.
4. Politicians and talking heads can now lie openly and feel no shame when caught in their lies.
5. Bi-partisanship in Congress is dead.
6. Democracy is dying in the U.S.
7. Evil is now called good and good evil.
8. Individual constitutional rights are fast disappearing.
9. Laws are only selectively enforced – immigration and campaign laws are glaring examples.
10. Close elections can’t be trusted. The “Every Vote Must Count” mantra touted by liberals applies only if they are votes for Democrats.
I’ll point out that CA civil unions give exact legal equivalence.
Mookie, you apparently cannot take a strong stand here in defense of someone who did not deserve what she got. You have tapdanced around actually condeming the despicable actions used against a defenseless person.
You then sit back and expect to be patted on the back for your stance. I hope a strong wind doesn’t come along because you won’t be standing long!
Yep, pointed out yesterday. However, they want it officially called “marriage”.
Agenda anyone?
I would just submit to everyone that we should not do as our lefty counterparts do and paint everyone with a broad brush in the “us vs. gays” matter. Not all gays are screeching queens and rabblerousers like those committing these illegal acts. Groups like Act Up should be our targets.
I honestly think the majority of gays want only to live their lives and be left alone … just like the majority of us. I bear them no ill will at all. The filth that is Act Up and their ilk is an entirely different matter, and I wonder why we’re not hearing anything about hate crime investigations.
Because only those of us on the right can hate.
In countries w/same sex marrage our temples no longer perform marrage, they were told they MUST marry same sex couples.
The gay lobby actually wants to legislate morality, thus “approval” for their lifestyle. Then they perform sex openly in the streets of San Francisco (Folsom Street Fair, Google it it you don’t believe me) and wonder why most of America wants to vomit. The Folsom Street Fair is only one of several “gay” street fairs featuring public sex, often with the police standing by watching.
In my county Sonoma, ca
The Homosexual Community wants an all homosexual retirement community and all that oppose it are called homophobes.
We that voted for Prop. 8 dare not reveal our stand on Marriage
Santa Rosa’s first gay and lesbian retirement community won its first approval Thursday amid supporters’ speculation that some of the project’s opposition was caused by homophobia rather than environmental concerns.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20081114/NEWS/811140393/1350?Title=Gay_retirement_complex_passes_environmental_review
I’ve said numerous times that any type of mob violence here is disgusting. Don’t know how I can make it any clearer.
Chap and Mookie -
Defending sending white powder to Temples?
Defending ripping a cross from a little ladies arms, stomping it into the ground and then the spittle-spewing mob crowding around her ordering her to leave? At City Hall, a place where we all have Constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech.
Defending the beating of two women who were trying to remove the hate-filled signs from private property where they were placed illegally?
Niiiiiiiiiiiiice…
Nope. Defending boycotts and civil protest.
Just as I am sure you would defend those who protest outside Planned Parenthood, while condemning (hopefully) those who use violence or thuggish tactics against doctors or clients of the clinics.
Book of Mormon burned on doorstep of Arapahoe LDS church
The best blog I’ve found for keeping track of the Lavender Mafia’s assault on democracy is here.
Are you illiterate? I support the boycotts. I do not support any kind of violence, period. I said it last night’s thread that whoever is sending the powder to the churches should have their ass throw in jail for a long time. Repeating a lie over and over doesn’t make it true, Joy.
All right I have had it. I am here to fore claiming that I am a homophobe, racist, misogynist, hater of short people, and anything liberal in thought, looks or practice. There, to all you here who smell leftist. Having now accepting this description, I am free to protect my Constitution without an iota of guilt.. ( anger and sarc off)
Good thing it wasn’t a Koran, that would be a crime.
How many Muslim businesses are they boycotting? How many Mosques are the trashing? How many Muslim contributions are the inquiring? How many are the bulling publicly?
COWARDS.
“The Homosexual Community wants an all homosexual retirement community and all that oppose it are called homophobes.”
So that makes them heterophobes
Chap – You are defending by trying to change the subject to those other things.
This whole thread is about the outrageous conduct of Nazi-like groups. Past threads have dealt with the other things I mentioned. WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE? Why continue to change the subject? Why won’t you deal with the topics at hand?
How would you like it if you donated to something, and the opposition got hold of your name and showed up in a very large group to your business and shook you down? I’m not talking about huge corporations, we’re talking about if you owned a little business like the one in the subject.
One thing I notice, is these swamp-dwellers are only attacking small women and a Church they know isn’t going to fight back.
Such BRAVE people. You defend this crap by your silence concerning it and the way you constantly change the subject and ignore the obvious.
Wouldn’t the world be a more loving and accepting place if we could just get rid of all the religions?
I’m sure you have a final solution in mind you nazi piece of sh**
Your hatred of religion, as well as your hatred of our our Constitutionally protected freedoms is noted, SoCal.
No need to continue to display your intolerance to us all!
Not sure what you’re getting at, but I’m personally not a religious person and I don’t believe in gay marriage. Just my personal beliefs.
“The gay lobby actually wants to legislate morality, thus “approval” for their lifestyle.”
When they have “approval” by law they will somehow be able to feel less guilty about their Self-destructive lifestyle by repeating over and over in their minds “society approves, society approves….we are normal…”
if you haven’t figured it out, socal wants you dead.
Yeah Mookie, that’s why you keep changing the subject. None of these threads has been simply about boycotts. They’ve all been about the gang-style tactics against very vulnerable people or the destruction of private property.
But you don’t want to deal with that… you just want to change the subject over and over. The violence will continue and soon it will reach your doorstep. I guess you’ll stop it then by changing the subject.
SoCal, I was thinking the same thing about the liberals>
I’ll tell you what, let’s get the list of donors to the movement against Prop 8 and find out where they live and work, and make sure people know that an establishment is owned or operated by a gay or lesbian, and ask them whether they feel comfortable going into such a business. Or do we put up signs outside homes and identify the occupants as hysterical opponents of free speech and fair elections? How would that sound? And this is all about an amendment to the state constitution that does NOT take away any right for any gay or lesbian domestic partnership. It DOES say that these partnerships are NOT marriage, not now, and not ever. You can profess your love for one another and do whatever you do in private, but don’t you dare try to get me to bless your “union” as normal or acceptable. Sorry, its still banned by any sensible reading of the Bible. And what you are doing is evil, like it or not.
I believe that reasonable people can agree with this.
The question I believe that Michelle is getting at is not so much about the boycotts, but the lack of outcry or condemnation from government leadership about the violence and intimidation going on at the churches.
However, to the topic of this post, it’s important to read the entire article:
When you read the whole article, there reads (to me, at least) to be quite a bit of sub-context about the amount of intimidation going on.
Peaceful boycotts is one thing. I have no issue with them, but this seems much bigger than that. She sent $100 to support something in which she believed and it has led to verbal attacks to the point that the woman nearly faints and cannot even attempt to make amends unless she fully capitulates on her core values.
SoCal wants a lot of people dead… he sounds a lot like a Despot leader in the making. Promising Disneyland as the final result. After a few billion murders that is…
oh sure socal and everyone gets pie.
Whatever happened to “you lost, get over it.” Guess that doesn’t apply to gay marriage amendments?
I’m going to play the liberal game of equivalence here. I hereby announce that the 52% who voted for Obama are Conservative-haters and bigots who should be harassed and bullied into voting Conservative the next time the vote comes up, and I won’t stop the whole four years until you Conservative-haters realize that you don’t stand a chance of having your voices heard. Just because 52% of you voted doesn’t mean that we in the minority will not get our way, because we will not allow you haters to take away our rights.
Is that what you mean, Chap and Mookie?
Where is MistressJustice when you need her?…perhaps she can consult the “soul-fixer”!
/sarc
I don’t think it would take over 25 million dead to clean up this nation.You have to break a few eggs…
But you don’t have to worry. Obama and the liberals have taken over and are going to be running things for a loooong time, and they will let the losers keep multiplying.. so you will have a lot of people to keep hating and sending to hell for a loooong time too.
My point was obviously that I am not outraged. By either the past examples, or the present. Whereas, as Mookie pointed out, others here seem much more selective in what gets their dander up.
I would not like it. But not liking something really isn’t the point, is it? It is these groups first amendment right to protest and boycott. Now when it gets into violence or threats of violence, thatt is wrong and should be condemned.
Well, I don’t think Mr. Colt would like that very much.
Does that apply to abortion?
Note the use of the word “peaceably.” I have no issue with a peaceful assembly to protest the so-called “loss” of a right they never had(won’t even get into an argument about that – there is none).
The actions under discussion are NOT in any sense of the word peaceable.
Extortion is a crime.
Intimidation is a crime.
Domestic Terrorism is a crime.
At the very least, these actions should be prosecuted under the RICO statutes.
I have absolutely no interest in what you do in the privacy of your own home, or with who you do it with. That’s absolutely none of my business. Equally, it’s none of your business what I do.
I can say or do anything I want, as long as I am within the law. My freedom to swing my arm stops before it reaches your nose. So with yours.
I do not take kindly to intimidation or forcible coercion. I also don’t take kindly to harassment, not only of myself, but of others, regardless of how “right” you may deem your cause to be.
Go ahead and protest and boycott to your heart’s content. You have every right to do that, it is guaranteed by the US Constitution, and I will not deny you that right. But the key word is “peaceably” – as soon as it becomes less than peaceful, the line has been drawn. Don’t even consider overstepping that line.
uh moron, gays cannot multiply, all they do is indoctrinate the young and impressionable into their lifestyle..
and the straight libs kill most of their babies.
Apples and Oranges, SoCal, and you know it.
Chap – here is the problem with that specific example. Planned Parenthood is Govt Funded, no?
What good could come from singling out individuals for their financial demise based their association with only two groups of religions(Mormon, Catholics, etc) and then not do the same to Islamic businesses, mosques or Muslim Owned business’? What about AA Baptists, who were also FOR this proposition?
Islam hangs gays. Muslims were FOR prop 8. Where is the Outrage there?
It would… if the people ever got to have a say on the issue and the vote went against us.
The vote was taken and YOU LOST.
Deal With It!!!
But you see, it’s “OK” to bash churches and Christians. This is what political correctness has come to. Accept us or else you’re a racist, bigot, ________ (fill in the blank).
Nevermind other religions as mentioned before are also against gay marriage.
Shoving someone’s agenda down the throats of the majority isn’t going to get them anywhere. The people of CA have voted, TWICE, now time to go home.
What part of “we don’t approve of gay marriage” did you not get?
I’ve been connecting the radical gay community with Klan behavior when it should have been with the Nazis all along.
They’ve been working off of lists of Prop 8 contributors. What would they do with a list of individual Prop 8 voters (if they could get one), I wonder?
Because they know what the pushback would be. They are only targeting those whom they know they can intimidate, which is the definition of bullying. Kind of like that kid at school who only went after the little weaklings.
We’re having pie?!
SoCal – LDS (Mormons) don’t believe in sending people to hell.
They wouldn’t want to find out, trust me.
I completely agree with you. I think the way she was treated was terrible. She invited the people who were upset into the restaurant for a free meal and a discussion and it turned into a mob scene. That’s not right. If they want to boycott the restaurant, that’s their choice. But you don’t gang up on someone inside their home/business, especially when she made an effort to discuss it. I fully support protesting with your wallet but at some point, trying to win hearts and minds needs to enter the equation and incidents like that don’t help. And any act of violence or destruction of property should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the wall. There’s no reason for it.
That’s what happens when you try to negotiate with terrorists. She should put a sign up, proudly announcing that she is being boycotted.
Yes, but are they also going to gang up on anyone that actually does want to go there and dine? What are they going to do to those people? Throw rocks? The way this is going with mob mentality, I wouldn’t be surprised at all…
Don’t worry. Obama’s Army will take care of the Prop 8 supporters (not the protestors). The prelude to Hitler’s Brown Shirts and Gestapo.
Excuse me? They are the ones who are pushing. Only this time, people are pushing back.
people who behave like this as the result of a majority vote, should be shot into the sun.
if these facists succeed in overturning this through legal means or through the typical left leaning judges, those who are wronged should revolt using the first and second amendments.
Re: #107
“In countries w/same sex marrage our temples no longer perform marrage, they were told they MUST marry same sex couples.”
Since California offers full equal legal status to couples under its domestic partnership/civil union statute, this issue is obviously about intimidating the Christian church (and to a lesser extent, Orthodox Jews and Muslims).
You can be sure that if a gay marriage initiative ever passes in CA, gay rights groups will have a whole group of actors ready to visit churches and request phony “marriages”, and the ACLU will be right on their heels with discrimination lawsuits for any well-known church that dares to say “no.”
You haven’t denoucned it. I haven’t heard one – not one – of the regular lefty posters here, or a single celebrity, condemn the the violence, the harassment, the bigotry, the intolerance coming from the Prop 8 opposition.
Not a one.
Silence is acceptance. And it’s despicable what you condone in the name of “tolerance” and “equality”.
I have my First Amendment rights, damn it. So do the Mormons. So do the blacks and Hispanics who voted for Prop. 8. We are free to express our religious beliefs in public, in our votes, in our support of measures that reflect our morality.
You people have no qualms about whining that your “rights” are being denied you while you undermine our rights that are clearly written in black and white in the Constitution.
And until the left knocks it off and actually starts practicing the tolerance and diversity they demand, there’s going to be a problem.
Communists, Nazis and various and assorted thugs throughout history thought the exact same thing.
The result? 100 million people killed in the name of secularism in the 20th century alone.
Totally eclipses any and all deaths made in the name of religion – including Islamic terrorism.
This is a prime example of tolerance and diversity – SoCal thinks religion is evil, therefore deny everyone who has religion their right to worship as they please and all will be well!
NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
mike.musculus (#16) Excellent post and defense. Thank you. I appreciate reading the authoritative position of the LDS Church on the subject. (And much as I thought from unofficial sources.)
No.
The source of love and morality is the same as the source of religions. Note also that all (I think) religions do have the Golden Rule. Whether the particular sub-set of that religion’s followers follow that is another question, though.
Do me a favor: go back and read my posts in this thread and the others on Prop. 8. I’ve condemned the violence countless times. You’re choosing not to see my condemnation as to suit your argument.
MikeOK, in support of your statement from Beetle Blogger:
Sorry if that was posted already, but didn’t read through 150 posts yet…
It’s not only that, they’ll be able to claim that marriage now means any kind of marriage which will be taught in the schools. This topic is covered in elementary school.
Talk about spreading an agenda about lifestyle. They already got an earful when they used “Heather has Two Mommies” in schools. Imagine what will happen next.
Oh, and one more thing…the noonprop8.com website also registered yesonprop8.com that switches right to the NO site. I guess they were ahead on one thing…
The real website is http://www.yesonproposition8.com
Setting aside Biblical/psychological/biological arguments for the moment, I’d like to ask everyone this question: What makes all of you think that this intolerance and religious bigotry from the GayKK would not have occurred if Prop 8 had LOST?
It’s not enough, Mookie. No where near enough. You have people showing up and forcing apologies out of Prop. 8 supporters, threatening not only violence, arson, and poisoning, but sending substances through the mail in order to frighten and intimidate supporters.
Your condemnation comes with the qualifier, “Yeah, it’s bad, but Prop. 8 supporters deserve it ’cause they’re bigots.”
Until I see unequviocal condemnation – and legislation to protect individuals, religious groups, and churches from such harrassment and injustice – it will never be enough.
Throw in the Inquisition and Crusades (two of the left’s favorite examples of death in the name of religion) and you still don’t equal 100 million.
It would have happened. It’s happening already, here and in Canada. And that’s my point.
The right to free expression of religion was enshrined in the Constitution long before anyone would have imagined we’d have people make up out of whole cloth the “rights” to redefine marriage and abortion.
It is the First Amendment that was attacked before the “rights” of any special interest group. And until they back off, I won’t back down.
That’s BS. I never said anything of the kind.
This ‘lynching’ is creepy beyond belief. Let’s reverse the situation: Let’s say opponents of gay marriage who were angry about a judge telling a whole state they now have to have gay marriage storm into a restaurant owned by gay person. Let’s say they demand this gay person make donations their church to avoid a boycott. Can you imagine the howls? Is that any worse than what’s going on with these Californians? Of course not.
This whole thing is sick.
Not directly, but it’s implied. Everytime someone tries to equivocate this with other boycotts, says religion should be outlawed, etc. – that’s the whole tone of this debate. The Mormons deserve it. The Christians deserve it. If they just shut up and let us have our way, we’d be happy.
Why can’t the Mormons, or the Catholics, or the Orthodox Jews have the right to vote according to their morals? When did the First Amendment become contingent on being politically correct?
As it happens, El Coyote was the very first restaurant I visited after moving to Los Angeles.
I’ve made plans to eat there this weekend and as much as possible until this
blacklistingboycott ends.November 4th 2008.
No S#*#.. Sherlock
I stopped giving Starbucks any of my money years ago. But, I don’t round up a bunch of buddies, crowd into one of their stores and demand the owner/manager make a donation to the NRA under an implied threat of violence.
Good grief. We’re turning into France.
Another example of what is coming Police being investigated for comments against Obama?? And OFF duty??? Shades of the gestapo
To the left, defined values are the enemy.
BTW — Take a look at the photo of the El Coyote restaurant. Look at the neon sign over the front entrance and what’s painted over the pay phones. If I didn’t know better, I would think it was an inside joke.
LA MAYOR-WHERE ARE YOU!!!
VILLAGAROSA-(sp)
YOUR SILENCE is Deafening…..
C-CS
That would be the best way to deal with this, round up as many people you can think of and show this lady our support.
Indeed. Great idea.
>I< donated to Prop 8. Those idiots wanna come out to CO and say something?
Bring ‘em on. DARE you to start crap over here.
Wolf
someone needs to put the call out to ms13 that one of it’s homie clubs is being harrassed by butt bandits. come on down and get your fill of pansy poppin. what’s the nearest marine base? maybe they could spread the gospel to these overheated butt pirates.
Hear, hear. Two can play that game.
Yes, but how long will it be before boycotting a resturant/store/business because the owners are gay is considered a “Hate Crime”?
Roseann Barr is now saying anyone who supports traditional marriage should be denied jobs and sent to gulags:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/11/14/roseanne-barr-prop-8-backers-gulag-go#comments
There’s more of that lovely tolerance and diversity for ‘ya.
Check out this misspelled poster from last night’s protest.
Talk about poor taste.
Ugly America:
More death threats, I see. Great. You all know one, or several, religious persons are going to end up dead from this.
But I’m sure we’ll get someone here, or perhaps the ever-insightful Roseanne or Ellen DeGeneres, to explain how that’s justified.
It’d really be a refreshing change if they just admitted they want us all dead – at least then we’d be wholly justified in defending ourselves by any means necessary.
I haven’t eaten there, is the food good? and do they have chile relleno’s?
Well, if a level-headed A-list entertainer like Roseanne says it, then it must be true!
/sarc
There goes AJ, thinking of his belly again.LOL.
yeah, when some swish waiter comes to wait on you, ask for another waiter with a little less lisp, or move to another table, or call the manager over and demand a different waiter. go to a barbershop, demand the female barber. go to stores, and demand clerks who don’t mimic the clerk in beverly hills cop. when you are confronted by these people, refuse to deal with them and if the manager won’t satisfy you, leave. don’t let your wife talk you into going to see the latest queer flick, just tell her you won’t support that lifestyle, it’s against your religion. boycott queer tv, and the advertisers that sponser it. queer eye for the straight guy, how about straight eye out to put the queer guy out of business. the other day i was at a garden store, and these two poofsters came in holding hands, and i swear they were wearing chaps with cod pieces over their packages. matching of course! half the stores customers walked out in disgust at these morons.
Who?
Hey, Michelle mentioned cake first… it’s her fault.
It’s a shame that the people that yell at us abut “intolerance” are now those that are now the ones that are practicing it…soon, it may be a crime to be a straight white person in our country…and if it happens, then may God help all of us.
I get the feeling that we are entering a “dark ages” in our country…where the values that the USA was founded on will be nothing short of illegal or immoral. I hope and pray that someone that can reach across the boundaries of race and intolerance can bring us back together once again.
Thanks a bunch. Now my co-worker is wondered what’s wrong with me due to the snickering.
I know, it’s just an interesting insight into how their minds work.
Honestly. They have no sense of irony. “Don’t deny us our ‘rights’ but, hey, the First Amendment doens’t apply to you, you hateful bigots!”
Heaven help us.
Honestly? …not really.
Most people go for the fun, kitschy atmosphere and celeb sightings.
But I’ll gladly make the trek over the hill to Hollywood to give them my business.
Besides, their awesome margaritas can make anything taste decent.
So how long before some well meaning politician decides that all donations to 527s and political candidates need to be anonymous for the protection of the donor?
Not that it really matters with the Obama site.