Anti-Prop. 8 protest watch
The opponents of Proposition 8, the traditional marriage initiative that passed 52-48 in California, are holding a nationwide protest today. Will they control themselves? Or will we see more blacklisting, harassment, and intimidation?
Prop. 8 supporters want to know — as I’ve wondered – where the soul-fixers and healers are:
Palmdale resident James Jackson, a member of the Church of Latter-day Saints who gave $1,000 to the Proposition 8 campaign, said he felt that the good works of his church had been forgotten in the midst of attention on the protests about the vote.
“I’m not a bigot,” said Jackson, 48. “I want to be a good person. But there are certain things I just don’t believe are right.”
Proposition 8 backers also criticized elected officials, including Schwarzenegger, for not condemning what they said were acts of vandalism and boycotts against supporters.
“Where is Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger?” Schubert asked. “Where is Sen. Dianne Feinstein? Where are the people who represent us, no matter their position on Proposition 8, to stand up for the rights of the millions of Californians who have done the one thing we ask and teach our children, which is to participate in the democratic process?”
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They’re planning a march up here in Seattle, as well. They claim thousands will be there, but I’m predicting a few hundred.
I don’t know if you read http://www.mynorthwest.com, but it’s worth a look. There is some good local coverage of this issue, and they stream the conservative talk radio station up here, to boot!
These people need to read history…
The Founding Fathers did not believe in gay marriage. This is why for hundreds of years The United States did not allow for gay marriage.
If they have a problem with it… move. Theres other countries out there that support gay marriage… were not one of em.
We support traditional marriage between a man and woman. We believe in loving and raising our children in a positive atmosphere… not a confused one.
We lost the Presidential, and Congressional elections and we remained civil and kept to our bearing. These liberals gay marriage in a few states… and they are having massive protests, attacking and assaulting people, blaming and attacking churches… they need to grow up … and for those who used physical violence… arrested.
if these people want to let loose their rage… please enter a Marine Corps base… Im sure the Nations best and elite troops will be more than happy to help them out lol.
I read they are suppose to be in Corpus Christi, a few miles from where I live, also. This protest is making me not have a warm and fuzzy feeling for these people.
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Fourstring, you’re right. They WAY overestimate their numbers. And as for the donors questioning where their elected reps are in condemning this thug-like behavior, the elected things should keep in mind that gays make up a small percentage of voters (re re-election) — unless ACORN is participating.
Protests today!?
with College Football on TV?
Oh Snap! lol
Actually if prop 8 proponents moved to Mass. they could all live happily ever after. Obviously they don’t want to live peacefully with anyone else
Where are the elected officials? They”re finding out if you give lip service (no pun intended) to one group then your chickens are going to come home. The question is will they roost.
LOL Oh come on, now – there are plenty of arguments one can make against “gay marriage” other than fabricating nonsense like that! The Founders had nothing to say about “gay marriage” because it was not an issue then. Nor was the reason it was “not allowed” for hundreds of years a valid posit. It simply has not been an issue until the last 10-15 years, mainly because the liberals in this country have set a course of overturning the Judeo-Christian principles this nation was founded on.
This “gay marriage” nonsense is but one part of the agenda to toss out any semblance or morality in this country.
I don’t see anything about marriage at all in the documents that the founders left us.
I’m afraid that I don’t understand what the protesters want in a tactical sense. Do they want governments to run fresh elections just for this issue? Intimidate judges–not personally but by general mayhem–into invalidating what are in all probability legal votes? Or just intimidating the population so that next election cycle we’ll remember the reaction and vote their way?
It seems to me what made the Civil rights movement under Dr. King so successful was the peaceful, rational, and civilized behavior of those involved. It was the bigots who showed how bad they were, thus giving more sympathy and influence to the civil rights movement.
I’m glad they lost…it reveals them for the hate-filled lunatics that they are…ie typical liberals!!
its all about silencing christians and anyone else who disagrees with them…to them ‘tolerance’ means forced acceptance and the gay pigs are more equal than others…
The founding fathers would probably been all for a gay marraige, stating…
“a man and women should be happy and gay on their wedding day”
and if the best man and one of the ushers wanted to sneak off and have anal sex so be it, as long as they stayed away from their farm animals.
Are you honestly asking WHY the gays are protesting? People that think like YOU just stripped away the right to marriage they had. How would you take that? I’m pretty certain you’d protest, too. And we can’t forget the horrific law passed in Arkansas that doesn’t allow gay and lesbians to adopt children at all. 400 children are going to have to be returned to orphanages because of the bigotry supported by MichelleMalkin.com – I hope you all are happy with yourselves.
I don’t live in CA but I would have enjoyed voting for prop 8 if for no other reason than to make people like you made!!
Thank GOD FOR THAT LAW!!!! children belong with a mother and father. bet you’re all for NAMBLA adoptions
I am, thank you!!
and I really, really enjoy seeing your hatred and anger!!
have a nice day
Oh, boy…here come the accusations of bigotry…I haven’t read much of MM going against gays adopting children, Omu, I really only read stuff about gay marriage. I still don’t see where the bigotry is.
I’m supposed to be going to a UFC 91 party tonight, but I might just be late if there’s a protest here in Phoenix. It might be worth it to catch hypocrisy on camera.
I wish I remember who said it, but it made me giggle: “boys, don’t fire until you see the pinks of their scarves..”
Classic.
Bigotry? lol, not hardly and good for Arkansas, saving innocent children from being taught that Anal sex is perfectly natural…. Now they have a chance to be adopted into a normal environment w/o any brainwashing.
Right4life, you’re really not being any more mature than Omu is.
Um…no. Now you’re insulting ME.
You can thank this racist, bigoted homophobe, or whatever you want to call me for helping the Arkansas law pass, I voted for it.
Ecstatic, thanks for asking.
Where is MAYOR VVVVVVV?
C-CS
Actually , I think you mean Prop 8 opponents ,lottadawg,but I agree-the elected officials are intimidated and seem to be generally sympathetic to the militant,anarchist gay protesters.
whats good for the goose is good for the gander!!
sorry, but children DO need a mother and father. the catholic church got out of the adoption business in MA because the state was forcing them to place children with gays. At that point, its not about the children, but all about the gays.
ANSWER ME TRUE OR FALSE.. Homosexuals and heterosexuals have an EQUAL RIGHT UNDER THE LAW to marry someone of the opposite gender.
They’re busy protesting Prop. 8, in case you hadn’t noticed.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
It’s been obvious for a long time that people in this country overwhelmingly support the notion that it isn’t anybody’s business what gay people do in private. It’s also been obvious for a long time that people are willing to allow for civil unions for gays. The sticking point is the word “marriage,” which has religious connotations that gays reject, anyway.
All this noise has nothing to do with civil rights: it is about the insistence of some gay exhibitionists to rub their private, uhh, lives in other people’s faces.
It’s been called “the ick factor.” That phrase captures it neatly. You can find a clearer demonstration of it at zombietime, under “Up your alley 2008.” NSFW, and I’m not going to give further notoriety to a bunch of criminals.
Over 30 percent of children are being raised in single-parent families.
I lived in Corpus Christie for 4 years and where are they going to protest? I just can’t see where they would go.
It’s more laughable than anything else.
and you think this is a good thing huh? with all the crime, the gangs, the drop-out rate…yeah its worked wonders in the black community
are you for real? such stupidity has to hurt.
HAHA … bigotry.
As if standing up for something that is good and wholesome equates to bigotry.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Your very wrong on this. It wasnt tolerated back then. The option of gay marriage would never of been allowed.
The Founding Fathers would never of allowed for it based on the following reasons:
- Regulations in The Continental Army listed homosexual acts as punishable
- Jefferson included castration in Virginia Law if Homosexual acts were conducted
Even Governor Morris found these acts shocking on his trip to France. Such acts were common in Europe and tolerated.
So to say this was not a issue then… is wrong. The Founding Fathers did not tolerate such behavior. They believed in Christianity and Christianity disapproved of such behavior.
It is clear that this battle is not about any legal rights. From the California Family Code:
Prop. 8 did nothing to change this.
Why are the opponents of Proposition 8 are throwing childish tantrums? To what end? Do they expect “the ONE” to overturn the will of the people? Or are they just insane with hatred for Christians and heterosexuals who hold a different view of what is natural?
Natural parent families.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
This is the “all about me” generation. Me want me get. Forget the valid election. Forget the idea of a few people attempting to turn over the votes of the majority.
This is pure and simple anarchy, as taught by Bill Ayers (I didn’t hurt anybody… I intended to… my buddies did…I conspired to… I wanted to… but through simple luck, I did not injure/kill anyone, therefore I am not what I proclaimed to be.)
Through violence overturn the rule of law, because we are special and we want our way. Boo Hoo. Sob, sob.) Rationalize about how the laws do not apply. Step on someone because we’re special. We’re spoiled and we want our way. X%$# it and we want it now.
Next these boneheads will try to overturn the rules of gravity, physics, math… They need to get a grip. No one really cares about their hurt feelings, except them.
Unless its intent is to force gay acceptance onto mainstream America, I do not understand same sex marriage. What’s the point in it?
I mean, from both a religious and secular viewpoint, isn’t the purpose of marriage to bestow-/guarantee certain property and community rights of legitimization from the male to the female and/or children? If so, then that completely eliminates homosexuals from the equation.
And like I said on the other thread, if these Prop 8 protesters persist in their attacks on the Mormon Church and local business community, while saner voices in gay community fail to denounce those attacks, then the modest gains homosexual groups have made towards acceptance in this country over the last twenty years are about to be erased.
Doing what they do best, pandering to the Gay special interest and kowtowing to political correctness.
Cowardice is its name.
These individuals are acting like two-year-olds who didn’t get their way and now they are throwing a tantrum. How quickly they forget we are a democracy and we are governed by laws and have respected those laws for over 200 years.
No one seems to have answered the question: and what if everyone who didn’t vote for Obama took the streets to protest his victory?
Here’s the website for all the festivities across the country.
“Founders of JoinTheImpact stress that this must be a peaceful protest”… don’t hold your breath, with that many gays in one place there’s sure to be tons of drama.
And look what is planned for December 10, “Day Without a Gay Day / Call in Gay Day”.
You to Bob? Yea, I voted for that one as well. Pleased to meet a fellow bigot/homophobe/hatemonger.
Oh no, can’t forget that. Except, that you may want to pay attention to what the residents of Arkansas actually passed. It’s not just a ban on gays/lesbians fostering/adopting children. It’s a ban on unmarried people of any sexual orientation fostering/adopting children.
Fantastic. That’s an excuse. If you’re being no better than they are, how do you expect them to listen to you?
And that’s the perogative of the Catholic church, although I disagree with the state meddling in that issue; they should have been allowed to refuse and remain in the adoption business. However, I know a few gay couples who are raising kids, and the kids in those families are no more sexualized than kids in “normal” families. They obviously see their moms/dads being affectionate, but my friends don’t push any “agenda” on the kids.
SoCal does bring up a good point here…30% of kids are being raised in single-parent homes. It’s not all about gangs, either, Right4life. Some of ‘em are church families where mom or dad skipped out because they just weren’t happy. Just to play devil’s advocate–and I’m not asking this because I agree, mind you, I just want to know what you guys honestly think–if you’re willing to ban gay marriage to protect the “sanctity” of marriage, then why won’t you push to make divorces harder to obtain?
Precisely, and as any parent can tell you, tantrums do not work.
These few protesters are about to set the entire gay movement back by decades with their fits of rage, and yet no one in the gay mainstream, MSM, Hollywood or political communities has the guts to step forward and cry foul.
No protest today for me. I’m saving myself for the Fair Tax rally here (ATL area) tomorrow. That is a much more worthy cause to support.
Fixed that one.
If it had been the other way around gay marriage proponents would be saying the people voted for it to be legal and live with it. But since it went against them they have to be angry and violent. Sore loosers!!!
Nothing a little gentle persuasion wouldn’t cure.
It’s even recomended by the The Sierra Club.
zorro is close, insane hatred drives them, sexual perversion drives them, demonic influence drives them, lawlessness drives them. It certainly isn’t motivated by love.
Socal, I am indeed holier than you (assuming you actually believe the stuff you’re saying and not just playing devil’s avocate). It is not my actions, though, that make me holy; it is Christ’s sacrafice. See Hebrews 1:10, particulary v.10: “And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
You could also be holy, if you wanted to. God’s love provides you with that option – and he really wants you to take it – but you have to come to him on his terms, not yours.
Note that that my being made holy does not mean that God loves me more than he loves you. It simply means that I’ve agreed with God about my fallen condition and that I need him to raise me up so that I may receive eternal life with him and my fellow believers. I certainly hope that you become one of those believers…
Here’s my email to Arnold Schwarzenegger:
Hello, Governor-Turned-Girlie Man,
Many of us supported you through two elections and against those who sought to defame you – and what do you do? You turn on us like a coward. When you need conservative votes you veto homosexual marriage bills – when you’re no longer running for re-election, your wrist gets limp and you drop to your knees in obeisance to the homosexual fascists.
You have no future in politics – the left hates you for running as a conservative and the conservatives can’t trust you.
So much for the governator – it really was just Hollywood hype!
If they do riot today, I hope that they at least redecorate when their done. A splash of color here, a throw pillow there.
sarc/
Our democracy is about to change and the will of the people is about to give way to the will of the government and the agendas of our leaders. As a california resident I asked my dear senator f. if this was her agenda (to change the will of the people) and it is. The radical left will show us the new path which is the same old path but lined with crap so you don’t recognize it.
I do kinda go back and forth, it is a way to figure out my opinion. Say somthing and then see how the other side thinks…. very astute of you th ough, and thanks for the positive message, I know you mean it.
R-the citizens of the US finally waking up..
Ayers-prof at U..
rev.wright–g-d amerikka….
open borders-mccain-bho-bush-villagarosa..arnold….
noi-farrakahn (sp)…take over amerikkka..
i’ll play the wait an see …..
NKBKJ-
C-CS
Michelle – I’d appreciate it when the name of the Church is mentioned that it be said in full.
It is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
If any part is condenced it really shouldn’t be the Jesus Christ part. Thank you.
They were apparently going for a big turn out around here. My husband and I were walking along the main street in our town yesterday and found flyers advertising the protest on every light post. There were probably 50 flyers in 3 blocks.
Oh ! You funny little trolls. How many times do I need to tell you, there are no rights to marry. It’s a license.
Funny trolls
Wait – isn’t that a gay bumper sticker?
Yes, in a sense. First I ask, who has the right and ability to declare certain behaviors as acceptable or not? So long as such rules/laws do not violate the Constitution, they are lawful rules/laws.
We’re not talking about the right to marriage. People, gay and straight, have always had the right to marry, so long as they marry someone of the opposite gender. The debate concerns the definition of marriage, not someone’s right to marriage. For this reason, this is not a civil rights issue. This is about changing definitions, not asking for a right to partake. (Just as Jackie Robinson wasn’t asking to change baseball’s rules; he just wanted to play.) I’ve heard it said often here that allowing gays to marry has nothing to do with other changes in the rules of marriage (i.e. polygamy, removing age of consent, etc.) Here are some quotes from the “1972 Gay Rights Platform”: “Repeal all laws governing the age of sexual consent.” “Repeal all legislative provisions that restrict the sex or number of persons entering into a marriage unit.” From homosexual activist and pornographer Clinton Fein 2005 article, “The Gay Agenda”: “Homophobic inclinations alone, even without any actions, should be criminal and punishable to the full extent of the law.” “Demand the institution [of marriage] and then wreck it. James Dobson was right about our evil intentions. We just plan to be quicker than he thought.”
I’m not happy that 400 children are in orphanages. This is an either/or fallacy. I’m also not happy about the prospect of children being placed in gay/lesbian homes.
Omu (#14): My point was that the tactic is terrible and there are better ways to get what they want. (Personally I am not opposed to civil unions, but am opposed to marriage for homosexuals. Mainly because of the religious sense with marriage.)
I’m curious how these demented anarchist’s really stand on the this issue. As FamilyMan said: “there are no rights to marry. It’s a license.” how about we do away with “marriage” licenses and have the government issue “civil union” licenses to gays and heterosexuals… then heterosexuals will get a marriage contract from their church of choice?
Isn’t there a reverse aspect with regard to freedom of religion? Aren’t those demanding the “right” of homosexual marriage infringing upon the freedom of religion rights of those whose religion believes that marriage is only a union between a man and a woman?
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Ignorance, our most costly commodity – paraphrased from Rush Limbaugh.
omu in post 14 said:”And we can’t forget the horrific law passed in Arkansas that doesn’t allow gay and lesbians to adopt children at all. 400 children are going to have to be returned to orphanages because of the bigotry supported by MichelleMalkin”
Those poor kiddies…and they were so looking forward to going to the fair!
Those children are better off in an orphanage.
That would violate the “I want it NOW” philosophy of the left. Realistically, we should make it harder for people to marry in the first place and make it even harder for people to have children out of wedlock. Now, how we do that while keeping up our birthrate?
ooops..i was too fast to send. in post #58. after issuing civil union licenses to both gays and straights what would the reaction be from the gay anarchists?
IMO, they want nothing less than to subvert the Judeo-Christian laws that built this great country…bottom line.
righ4life said:”At that point, its not about the children, but all about the gays.”
Children are about sacrifice. Gays won’t sacrifice anything to have children, if they want them. They are forcing our country to sacrifice what has been the societal norm so they can have what they want.
It’s easy to see who the real bigots are here – they’re the ones screaming “Bigot!!” at everyone else the loudest.
Send_Me has it exactly correct – this is all about the definition of marriage. To give an idea of why the left has it so wrong – suppose I decided to change the definition of “chair” to “iron spike”. Would those on the left still want to sit down on it?
This heightening battle raging over marriage was spoken about and prophesied in Scripture by the Lord Jesus Christ himself (see additional links at link below).
No matter how viral, wretched and hateful the physical battle becomes over this issue, the ultimate reason that it is being fought so hard is because there is also a giant spiritual battle involved – which is currently being fought simultaneously in the heavenly realm.
Despite the terrible treatment, Christians STILL need to persevere and be salt and light against the evil and darkness that looms all around us. We are to be rescuers of the lost. Now, more than ever before, we need to be filled with a sense of urgency.
Also see:
The “Days of Noah” Are Here
The Times of the Signs: The Days of Lot
That’s right.
Proponents of traditional marriage aren’t advocating unequal treatment of homsexuals.
Regarding marriage, gays should have the same opportunity that straights have: the opportunity to marry a member of the opposite sex.
Has anyone here suggested that heterosexuals should have the opportunity to marry a same-sex partner, while homosexuals should be denied this same opportunity?
No, of course not; no one, neither hetero or homo, should be given the opportunity to marry a same sex partner. This rule applies equally to everyone regardless of sexual preference.
Clearly, equal opportunity is not the issue at stake here.
Rightisright (#58): I am beginning to think that this would be an intellectually consistent possibility, saving “marriage” only for churches–which leads to Wildcatter1980′s point (#59) very well.
As I understand the hierarchy of what’s good for children (statistically speaking), the best is to be raised by a loving, married, heterosexual couple. Then comes by an unmarried couple (hetero- or homo-sexual–I’m not sure if the studies show a significant difference), followed by single parents. Worst is foster care or in orphanages. I believe this hierarchy is the same across racial and economic lines. So, the Arkansas law allowing only married couples to adopt is a) written with the children’s interest at heart and appears to be b)consistent in its application regardless of sexual practice.
JHSII wrote:
“It’s easy to see who the real bigots are here – they’re the ones screaming “Bigot!!” at everyone else the loudest.”
Actually, I will agree to wear that BIGOT badge – humbly, of course – because for me it means:
Bible
Is
God’s
Only
Truth
On November 15th, 2008 at 12:37 pm, SoCal said:
“Over 30 percent of children are being raised in single-parent families….
perpetuating the cycle of divorce with more children living in single-family homes.
70% of American children DID spend some time in a single parent family.
One million children each year are affected by divorce.
Tell me, now, that abberant lifestyle and the resultant divorce, does not adversely affect a child’s emotional well being. Tell me. I’m waiting…
Then tell me why we should give queers the ability to raise children, when their marriages fail at a faster rate than hetero marriages?
Now tell me why we should bless a group of people’s behavior that do nothing to strengthen our social fabric? Lunacy. Nothing but lunacy.
If it was a Christian church, I wouldn’t mind so much. Deuteronomy 18:21-22 states: “You may say to yourselves, ‘How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord? If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.’” In light of this, I must ask the following:
1. Where’s the evidence of the great battle that took place on Cumorah (i.e. chariots, armor, weapons, bones, etc.)?
2. In Ether 9, the author speaks of “all manner of cattle, of oxen, and cows, and of sheep, and of swine, and of goats” and “horses, and asses, and there were elephants and cureloms and cumoms” being present in the New World between 600 B.C. and about 421 A.D. How is this possible when we know that horses, cattle, oxen, elephants, among other things were brought here much later by Europeans?
3. In Mosiah 7 and 9, we see references to wheat and barley. How is this possible when, again, Europeans didn’t introduce this until centuries later?
4. How do you account for the references to steel being used in 1 & 2 Nephi, Jarom, and Ether when there is no evidence of steel manufacturing until centuries later?
5. If Native Americans descended from the Lamanites, then why does DNA evidence show that Native Americans are descendants of peoples from the Siberian region, not the Middle East?
The yelling and screaming of the LGBT groups hide some very inconvenient facts — they only represent about 2% of the population while they represent about 85% of the HIV/AIDS population. This small group of people demonstrate a very large tendency toward unique sexually transmitted diseases.
So you are ticked off that a bunch of “yes we can” types actually “up and did?” Don’t you find it at all ironic that the very people, mostly black in this case, who were highly encouraged to come out to vote for Obama, were the ones responsible for the demise of gay marriage in ultraliberal Cali?
Maybe you liberals should worry that many of the groups you think you have corralled are a bit more conservative than you like. Or at least not as rabidly liberal as you might have believed. I saw the same thing when the bluest of blue stated, Massachusetts, voted out bilingual “education.” And now you know why they would allow a democratic vote on this self same topic in Massachusetts: it would have lost in a landslide.
You know the old adage “be careful what you wish for?” Well now you know what it means.
What is really humorous is that if the proposition failed, you would be calling us “losers” and “whiners” and a host of other things.
Shoe on the other foot time!
Honestly Im not comfortable with children being raised by gay / lesbian couples. This will affect the child in numerous ways. The child wont recieve a father/mother figure for the child to learn and develop from. The same sex marriage may also disturb the development of the child. The child wont understand homosexuality at such young ages.
Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology
The Weinberg study reported evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners
THEY LOOKS A LITTLE UNSTABLE TO ME
Wow thats disgusting…
Whats wrong with them… 1,000 partners… wow. Thats unbelievable.
Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology
“A disproportionate percentage — 29 percent — of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent. … Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50.” P. Cameron and K. Cameron, “Homosexual Parents,” Adolescence 31 (1996): 772
(in my best Cliff Klaven voice:) Its a little known fact that horses originated in North America and then spread to Asia and Europe.
Publius, if you look at the AIDS epidemic in Africa, it almost entirely affects heterosexuals. The spread of that disease (it is not unique to the gay community) is dependent on who is more promiscuous. Granted, gay men in America are extremely promiscuous, a fact I will not deny and actually sickens me (read Tammy Bruce, she agrees). But the fact that the majority of cases of AIDS are gay men does not mean the GLBT community is responsible for “unique STD’s.” I have a lesbian friend who was raped by a straight man who gave her AIDS and it’s killing her now. It’s a terrible disease that unfortunately spreads to all corners of society for a multitude of reasons.
Jean, you make your remark based on what? Have you seen many families where gay couples are raising kids? Have you even considered looking at it to see how the children are developing? I don’t agree with putting books like “Am I Blue” and “Heather Has 2 Mommies” in schools, because it makes it that much wierder to kids. Children raised by gay couples don’t see it as strange; it’s normal to them, just as my being raised by straight parents was normal to me. And of the older kids of my gay friends, every single one of them turned out to be straight and are just as well-adjusted as any other kid.
Is anyone willing to answer my question as to why the sanctity of marriage is important, but divorce is still so easy to obtain?
Why is it so important to you when you have civil unions? call em flamages or something and have a ceremony, leave Traditional Marraige alone and go pound rump.
Are you serious? Joy wants her church to be properly attributed and you want to bring up a theological debate about whether or not that church is considered Christian in the boards? Really?
I find it so ironic that Christians like yourself were happy to ride the coat tails of the church who mobilized itself and executed one of the most incredible conservative grassroots campaigns in history, but when it comes right down to it you’re going to nitpick it’s name because you have theological differences with them. It makes it easy to see why supporters of gay marriage feel perfectly comfortable labeling you a bigot.
I have lived around, worked with, and been friends with many Mormons – each one of them very “Christian” in their comportment and treatment of others. They are incredibly kind, helpful, and hardworking. I’m not super religious, but isn’t there a scripture somewhere in the bible about knowing true Christians by their “fruits?”
Who gives a crap if they believe in gold angels or whatever, they are to be thanked for their dedication to this issue, not be told on the boards their church’s name is erroneous or ridicule their beliefs. Save it for another thread. Goodness gracious.
As for this:
Let me be clear, I am a supporter of Prop 8, but I also have gay friends who have had biological children or adopted children. Those who have adopted have had to make incredible sacrifices – more than any heterosexual person or couple I have ever seen. A lesbian friend of mine worked tirelessly for years to adopt a little girl out of Romania at great personal, emotional, and financial cost. She is absolutely devoted to that little girl – I would say she knows just as much about sacrifice as any heterosexual parent. Do I think it would be better if her daughter had a father? ABSOLUTELY. Do I think it would have been better for her to rot away in a Romanian orphanage? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
We can all guess what’s going to happen. Nothing will be done to quell the heterophobic violence until one or more of the protesting homosexuals gets killed. Then there will be outrage, and cries of…
“Why didn’t the authorities do something before the ‘hate-filled’ anti-gays did this to a ‘human being’ that was just standing up for their ‘God-given’ rights?“
Once again, the left only cares about choice when it is people protesting against “their” choice. Will our elected officials show themselves as
representing all the people, or continue protecting the vocal and violent minorities?
If California gives in to these freaks, wouldnt it then set a precedence for those who voted for Johnny Mac to protest until we get our way?
And hundreds of children (many with developmental issues) adopted out by Catholic Charities in MA won’t have a good agency representing them because gays – who had access to other adoption agencies – forced CC to choose between their faith and being politically correct.
It’s a two-way street.
For the same reason people want same-sex marriage – it’s all about the selfishness and self-centeredness of our culture. When marriage gets tough, or circumstances change, or money gets tight our culture gives them an easy out through no-fault divorce rather than encouraging those unions.
I won’t deny that’s a failure of the state, and I think divorces should be harder to obtain (with the exception of cases of abuse) and more resources should be focused on marital preparedness and counseling.
can’t I have a little fun with this???
and no I don’t expect them to listen…they must be DEFEATED. there is no compromise betwen left and right. there is a culture war in this country…one side will win, the other will lose.
I’m not saying they do…what I am saying is rather simple: a mother AND father are best for children. if you’ve ever had a son, you would know that after a while they will not listen to a woman…no matter how masculine
she is.
and a daughter needs the love of a REAL FATHER…not someone pretending to be one. and of course they need a mother, not a fake.
this isn’t rocket science, its been proven with studies, and just with plain common sense.
its a terrible point, and terrible tragedy for those involved. we have enough examples of what happens when father’s are not around to raise their sons. I would like to get rid of ‘no fault’ divorce, its been a disaster…but the main culprit is the welfare system which has replaced fathers with government
Viper1, I like your line of logic!
Also, Send_Me, as my very conservative Methodist great grandma would always say:
“Christian is a verb.”
Unless we’re all to actually believe you desire to engage in meaningful theological debates in the thread of a MM post about Prop 8 and you couldn’t find the answers to your questions elsewhere, I think the verb here is very clear.
ouch!
Again, please explain to me what’s wrong with boycotts. People here organized boycotts of SABMiller products when Miller Lite sponsored the Folsom Street Fair. Why shouldn’t opponents of Prop 8 boycott bigots?
And, yes, it’s bigotry. Last time I said that the response was that I was being intolerant of their views. Hell yes I’m intolerant. I’m intolerant of anti-Semites. I’m intolerant of racists. And I’m intolerant of homophobes.
As for the voting process, the voting process is meaningless. You think integration would have passed a vote in Arkansas? Or how about a vote to not have bus seating by race in Alabama? Or a vote to allow interracial marriages in Virginia?
Speaking of which, it really bugs me that Michelle Malkin supports the same arguments that would have led to the invalidation of her own marriage only 40 years ago. “Traditional” marriage means marrying within your own race. Thankfully the courts saw that for the BS that is and threw that tradition out. Now Prop 8 supporters are on the wrong side of history and I can’t wait for history to judge their supporters as the bigots they are.
and this is the REAL reason for the entire gay agenda…shutting up the critics, and taking their rights away…so the gay pigs are MORE equal than others…
Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology
“A disproportionate percentage — 29 percent — of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent. … Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50.” P. Cameron and K. Cameron, “Homosexual Parents,” Adolescence 31 (1996): 772
FamilyMan, that study you’re using has been refuted over and over. It’s a biased piece of crap that morons use to support ridiculous claims. 26% of children adopted by homosexual parents are molested? You really believe that?
As for the Arkansas law, the law forbids unmarried couples from adopting. That goes for couples in long-term relationships that choose not to marry. The only victims of that law are children in need of a hope. But screw them! Bigots have a point to make!
From what little I have read, divorce IS too easy to obtain. I would like there to be more requirements–like mandatory counseling if there are children involved.
I know it doesn’t really answer your question, but both marriage and divorce ought to require some reflection and effort.
PROOF PLEASE
do you REALLY think she’s gonna answer that?? I’d really like to see her try…..
To anyone who buys into that study from FamilyMan, it comes from a man who runs a small non-profit called the Family Research Institute. It’s a hate group run by a man who has been banned from the APA and who has no credibility on any issues. That study isn’t just biased, it’s false.
PROOF
So, just trying to understand here, when two male homosexuals marry, does one call himself the husband and the other man call himself the wife? Likewise with female homosexuals? And, if so, when seeing two men or women walking hand in hand in homosexual bliss, how do you determine which is the wife and which is the husband, or is it husband and husband or wife and wife or something else? And how do you avoid the faux pas of assuming the wrong person is the wife or husband or. . . .man this is confusing. Why don’t homosexuals just do their thing and stop trying to muscle in on heterosexual traditional marriage?
Check out this great article on why Dr. Cameron’s studies are so bogus:
LINK
Family Man, the study is absolutely false.
How can the Camerons think homosexuality is a sin and not think lying is the same?
sigh…I always hear about the ‘noble’ gays who have sacrificed to adopt children…but it is meaningless. a child needs a mother and a father…not a facsimile.