Anti-Prop. 8 protest watch
The opponents of Proposition 8, the traditional marriage initiative that passed 52-48 in California, are holding a nationwide protest today. Will they control themselves? Or will we see more blacklisting, harassment, and intimidation?
Prop. 8 supporters want to know — as I’ve wondered – where the soul-fixers and healers are:
Palmdale resident James Jackson, a member of the Church of Latter-day Saints who gave $1,000 to the Proposition 8 campaign, said he felt that the good works of his church had been forgotten in the midst of attention on the protests about the vote.
“I’m not a bigot,” said Jackson, 48. “I want to be a good person. But there are certain things I just don’t believe are right.”
Proposition 8 backers also criticized elected officials, including Schwarzenegger, for not condemning what they said were acts of vandalism and boycotts against supporters.
“Where is Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger?” Schubert asked. “Where is Sen. Dianne Feinstein? Where are the people who represent us, no matter their position on Proposition 8, to stand up for the rights of the millions of Californians who have done the one thing we ask and teach our children, which is to participate in the democratic process?”
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do you REALLY think she’s gonna answer that?? I’d really like to see her try…..
To anyone who buys into that study from FamilyMan, it comes from a man who runs a small non-profit called the Family Research Institute. It’s a hate group run by a man who has been banned from the APA and who has no credibility on any issues. That study isn’t just biased, it’s false.
PROOF
So, just trying to understand here, when two male homosexuals marry, does one call himself the husband and the other man call himself the wife? Likewise with female homosexuals? And, if so, when seeing two men or women walking hand in hand in homosexual bliss, how do you determine which is the wife and which is the husband, or is it husband and husband or wife and wife or something else? And how do you avoid the faux pas of assuming the wrong person is the wife or husband or. . . .man this is confusing. Why don’t homosexuals just do their thing and stop trying to muscle in on heterosexual traditional marriage?
Check out this great article on why Dr. Cameron’s studies are so bogus:
LINK
Family Man, the study is absolutely false.
How can the Camerons think homosexuality is a sin and not think lying is the same?
sigh…I always hear about the ‘noble’ gays who have sacrificed to adopt children…but it is meaningless. a child needs a mother and a father…not a facsimile.
the APA?? aren’t those the guys who used to think homosexuality was a disorder…then changed their minds by vote??
yeah thats real hard science
there…
A survey by The Advocate, a homosexual magazine, revealed that promiscuity is a reality among homosexuals. The poll found that 20 percent of homosexuals said they had had 51-300 different sex partners in their lifetime, with an additional 8 percent having had more than 300.
LMAO!
Your question goes back to my premise of why not issue “civil unions” to both gay and heterosexuals. Two can be divorced by law fairly easy as you’ve noted, not so easy with religion. That civil divorce does not relieve one of their religious obligations and scared promises as easy. Having only heard about Catholic divorces I can’t say for sure, but understand it takes quite an quite effort and procedure to be recognized by the church as being divorced. I know for a fact being married in the L.D.S. church(Temple marriage) it also is not an easy road to travel to become divorced in the eyes of the church. In some cases some are never considered divorced. Not saying it’s wrong or right, only that’s the way it is.
That was my reasoning behind government handing out civil union licenses(fees paid of course) and the difference with a church awarding the couple with a “marriage license”. The difference between government and religious out look on sacred contract between two people.
A new study by a group of University of Chicago researchers reveals a high level of promiscuity and unhealthy behavior among that city’s homosexual male population.
According to the researchers, 42.9 percent of homosexual men in Chicago’s Shoreland area have had more than 60 sexual partners, while an additional 18.4 percent have had between 31 and 60 partners. All total, 61.3 percent of the area’s homosexual men have had more than 30 partners, and 87.8 percent have had more than 15, the research found.
As a result, 55.1 percent of homosexual males in Shoreland — known as Chicago’s “gay center” — have at least one sexually transmitted disease, researchers said.
Gays and lesbians are most certainly not asking for a second try at defeating Prop 8 at the polls. After repeatedly disgracing themselves following their defeat at the polls, they are pinning their hope on — liberal judges appointed for life. Remember, in no state has this issue been decided in favor of gays at the polls. It’s always come by judicial fiat. And that by reinventing constitutions along the way. And I don’t think its unfair to say, the freedoms we have enjoyed in this country at more at risk now than at any time in the past half century. You’d have to go back to the days of Woodrow Wilson, FDR and so-called “progressives” to see moments as scary where true individual liberties hung in the balance. And now we’ve just elected FDR II. And you wonder why conservatives are buying guns, before they become illegal to purchase or own? Maybe because in a state of anarchy, they may be needed for self-defense against rampaging mobs. After all, the police seem little interested in controlling them or stopping outrages against individuals, churches or private businesses.
The increased promiscuity was never in question. The degree of the promiscuity, and the bogus stuff about incest are my beefs.
It’s no secret that when homosexuality was a social taboo that forced people underground to find anonymous social partners that this promiscuity was a problem. As homosexuality has reached mass acceptance, this promiscuity is no longer as much of an issue.
Furthermore, there isn’t a number of sexual partners requirement to marriage.
Viper1 (#82) and AniMEL (#85): Interesting idea. Of course, I can’t see most of his supporters threatening those who voted for other candidates.
It isn’t the boycotts, its the attempted intimidation–if not outright terrorism–that some of the No on Prop 8 people are trying. Not only that, they are only targeting some of the people who voted against them–those who are not likely to fight back.
And, frankly, the restaurant that was the initial point of attention on the Michellemalkin.com blog seems to have been rather gay-friendly all along. Terrorizing the owner was a really dumb thing to do.
And 25% of teenage girls across the country have HPV. That includes half of the African-American teenage female population. Why not ban blacks from marriage?
TheHeartofitAll
ARE YOU SAYING IT TAKES MARRIAGE TO BE COMMITTED?
GESSSSSSSS!!!
I’m not going to link the Southern Poverty Law Center, I know who FamilyMan is quoting. Paul Cameron and his son, Kirk, run the Family Research Institute in Colorado Springs. In 1982, Paul was stripped of his membership in the American Psychological Association for his flawed “therapeutic” practices and his deplorable research and theories on human sexuality. He was quoted in Rolling Stone in the mid-90’s saying that because homosexual sex was more enjoyable, homosexuality would eventually take over and be the predominant orientation within a couple of generations. Since we haven’t seen that happen, I’m pretty sure we can all rest assured the guy is a quack.
Paul Cameron has been denounced by every psychological and sociological association in North America and has been soundly debunked by multiple doctors and statistical researchers. The Supreme Court even rejected his testimony in a case when it was discovered that he misrepresented statistical evidence to support his claims. He’s not exactly the guy you wanna quote, FamilyMan.
Using the black population again to further your agenda.
Clarification on my #107. It isn’t the boycotts, its the attempted intimidation–if not outright terrorism–that some of the No on Prop 8 people are trying that we are objecting to.
Sorry for leaving out a key clause.
AniMEL
I can give you hundreds of studies such as the two above, but your mind is completely closed.
KevinK, you are right. I can’t argue with you there, singling out businesses because of the political activities of someone involved in the business is a bully tactic and it proves little more than the people involved in targeting the business are bitter and directing their rage at the wrong target–not to mention the wrong fashion.
I might suggest that pro-Prop 8 voters play the same game. Get indignant, go to businesses that make a point to cater to the gay community, and threaten to boycott for supporting the No on 8 cause. Then, when they cry bloody murder, you can say, “but it’s okay for YOU?”
Blow me away, FamilyMan. If you can provide links with hard, statistical facts that are not presented by disgraced liars, be my guest. Trouble is I’ve had a hard time finding that sort of thing myself. Even FOTF doesn’t quote Cameron because of his antics.
They sure didn’t learn anything from watching the Marches of all the Illegals during that fiasco, turning even more Legal Citizens against them.
Adding violence to the mix was suicidal, especially against an elderly woman… real courageous.
I could see all this if it was over electing that tool Obama. That’s the dumbest thing America has ever done.
Agreed, I still hope I’ll wake up and it was all a bad dream…just in case, going for more 2nd amendment projectiles.
RiR,
lol
I’m looking for a Tank.
OT-
Wow! what a finish in the Notre Dame / Navy game….. Navy fell just a tad short.
AniMEL (#114)
Of course, the MSM would call the Pro-Prop 8 people all sorts of evil names, but the anti-Prop 8 people are justly aggrieved victims of homophobia and all sorts of other non-PC ills.
Oh, and Rightisright (#117), there are a couple of interesting gun shows this weekend near these parts. (NOT for presently illegal and always immoral purposes, but for self defense, sport shooting, and hunting [especially to put food on the table].)
First I’d like to say that these are in no way ‘official’ answers (and sorry for taking the forum space) but it really bothers me when people just blather talking points (either side of the aisle).
Where’s the evidence it didn’t? But seriously, the hill in NY was named such because it is where the plates were given to Joseph. As far as anyone can tell, the battle took place at a different Hill Cumorah in Central America.
Firstly, the Book of Ether takes place between the Tower of Babel and 600 BC, it was inserted into the record by Moroni immediately before his ‘parting words,’ not in any sort of chronological order.
Secondly, the translation was given to Joseph Smith in words he could understand. He had never seen half the animals on that list, but they were common enough that he would at least have a vague idea what they were. If the writer had said ‘llama’ rather than, say, horse, it would have meant nothing to the people reading it (in general). See my next note, as well.
Firstly, the Lamanites (in general) did not plant or grow. They were nomads who
When they wiped out the nephites, they had only gotten more wicked and wild. The nephites were the ones who had been doing the planting, and the Lamanites would hardly have picked up on the habits of their hated enemies, who they slaughtered in the AD 400’s. Long before Europeans showed up.
Secondly,
If I remember right, there was no actual ‘corn’ in the Old World until people broght it back from the New. And the Europeans just called it ‘corn’ because it was the ‘most common grain in (the) region.’ I cannot seem to find where I read it, but I believe 37 different words were translated to mean ‘wine’ as well.
My point here is that it is common practice in scripture for the words to be translated in such a way to have the correct MEANING rather than a correct word.
4. How do you account for the references to steel being used in 1 & 2 Nephi, Jarom, and Ether when there is no evidence of steel manufacturing until centuries later?
Firstly (I’ll bet you’re hating this word by now), The references in 1 Nephi involve items made in Jerusalem or thereabouts, and the others (aside from Jarom) seem to be isolated enough that they very well could have left no trace. In Ether, for example, it involves a single man who managed to make steel in an attempt to overthrow the government (and it infers that the reason it mentioned the steel in the first place is because the government DIDN’T have it). He is mentioned to be a righteous man, and the Lord gives knowledge to those doing His work that they couldn’t have had on their own.
Secondly, that is another of those things that could easily have been too much work for the Lamanites after the wiped out the Nephites. Working steel requires a shop SET UP for that (unless I’m way off) because of what’s involved. Also, since they don’t mention it even when listing how the armies of both nations are armed (in Alma) they could easily have had access to very little ore. You’ll notice the population in Jarom is only about three or four generations worth of the descendants of people who all came over on one boat (20-25 people, mabye).
Firstly (sorry, last one), the only study I’ve seen that says that was done by someone trying to ‘disprove’ the Book of Mormon. Studies attempting to ‘prove’ the Book of Mormon are not acceptable in scientific discourse, apparently.
Finally,
Again, I’m terribly sorry about the length. That post (send_me) and the “I dare you to respond” post later down (right4life) really rubbed me the wrong way.
yeah being called on false doctrine would tend to rub a believer in that false doctrine the wrong way.
there is no archeological evidence to support the book of mormon…and plenty to substantiate the bible…yet the mormons think the book of mormon is more correct than the bible.
amsusing isn’t it?
yes you believe in a gospel of WORKS…not salvation by grace alone through faith alone…in other words you are not christian.
but you believe they are 3 separate and distinct gods…Christianity believes in ONE GOD. mormons also believe Jesus is not eternal..christianity says Jesus is the Eternal God, creator of heaven and earth.
…
As I said,
Here.
Look around a bit. And thanks for the condescention. Helps your argument a lot, it does. Sorry, my sarcasm is broken today.
please. I can show you archeology that supports the bible…show me archeology that supports the book of mormon.
Museum’s tablet lends new weight to Biblical truthDalya Alberge, Arts Correspondent
The British Museum yesterday hailed a discovery within a modest clay tablet in its collection as a breakthrough for biblical archaeology – dramatic proof of the accuracy of the Old Testament.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/ faith/article2056362.ece
I’m not defending Cameron’s position, but… how many generations have passed since he made the statement?
BTW: Mike Seaver’s dad says homo sex is more enjoyable (does Boner know?)
Like Jules said in Pulp Fiction, “sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie but I’d never know ’cause I wouldn’t eat the filthy m*****f*****.”
I couldn’t agree more. But what is happening is, once again, the “oppressed peoples” are making this all about them. Maybe it was BEFORE the election, that being about what they desire as “equal rights”, but they were not effective enough in selling their position and Proposition 8 passed by a wide margin.
This aftermath is no longer about that; it’s about quashing access to the democratic process if you hold views with which the radicals disagree.
This blacklist is precisely the thing that the anti-abortion group was held liable under RICO for. While I disagree with that decision, what’s good for the conservative goose should darn well be good for the liberal gander.
Where are our leaders??
Could it be more obvious that they represent the politically-correct only?
I’m disgusted.
Hey TheHeartofItAll,
I went back and read some of Herek’s critiques of Cameron’s research. They are good critiques in the sense of arguing that further research needs to be done, but they in no way “discredited” Cameron’s research. Here’s an example:
That’s a reasonable critique of Cameron’s research methodology, it is not a refutation by any stretch of the imagination. Moreover, most of his critique was petty. If it were applied similarly to all social science, almost no survey data would ever be published.
I can’t endorse Cameron’s research because I’m not familiar enough with it. Given Herek’s critique, however, I’m suspect it’s as good as most research done on the subject. There are always problems with this type of research. There’s always a tradeoff between internal and external validity. One can alway critique a sample, especially one that is not random. Herek’s critique simply means that more research should be done, it’s not a refutation.
The article you linked to from the Southern Poverty Law Center was dumb and dishonest. They are as corrupt as the ACLU. As such, they have no credibility.
In post 105, Ron said:”Gays and lesbians are most certainly not asking for a second try at defeating Prop 8 at the polls. After repeatedly disgracing themselves
following their defeat at the polls,at the Folsom Street Fair.That reads corrected.
right4life – There is only one place where Paul speaks of Grace alone. And you are putting words in our mouths when you say we believe our works save us.
What we believe is you cannot separate grace and works. Jesus’ own words say we’ll be judged by our works. James said Faith without works is dead.
In Romans where Paul speaks of faith alone without works he is speaking of the works of the law or flesh. He is specifically speaking of circumcision.
When we as LDS speak of works we are speaking of the works that faith produces, such as caring for the needy, visiting the widows and orphans, which is called pure religion.
We also believe Jesus is the Eternal God. But yes, we believe in a Godhead that consists of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Read John 17 and you’ll see in what manner Christ and the Father and the Holy Ghost are One in. He commands us to be one like they are.
If you’d like to actually learn what members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe, this is a great question/answer
.
Jeff’s site in not an official Doctrine site, but it explains most of our Doctrine very well.
On November 15th, 2008 at 3:19 pm, TheHeartofitAll said:
The increased promiscuity was never in question.
Then you must concur that this form of “marriage” is not beneficial to society.
I just provided a link…Do you even read my messages? I noticed after my first post in reply to you you just changed the subject. You seem to be acting a bit like our resident trolls.
I’m a bit annoyed, I had a nice long thing written out, but tested my link and lost it all. I’m done for now. If you actually cared about truth, you would be less hostile. Hostility is a great way to shut down a conversation, and leave bad blood on both sides. Fortunately, I know what is truth, and will pray that you can know peace. I know you will never join The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, but hope you can be happy today, and in Eternity.
So your faith really isn’t faith, it’s based on archeological facts? Please clarify.
Hey, easy on the theological attacks! They’re off topic, and this isn’t the thread for them. (And the discussions are getting into areas that have divided Christians for hundreds of years–we aren’t going to solve them here and now.)
Exitus – There’s still hope for him. I am a convert of 6 years now. I was Evangelical/Protestant for 20 years prior. Once upon a time I too was quite combative.
For some it takes more time.
and meanwhile, California burns.
Tens of thousands out of their homes and the news of the day is the swishers are in a tizzy. boo freaking hoo.
Joy,
He reminds me of a man I met on my mission (in Portland) about 14 months ago. Exact same arguments, I gave him the web address I linked to, then he gave me the same ‘ignore the facts and bring up the trinity/FvsW issues.’ I know there is still hope, but they are less offended if you don’t put it that way. Just my experience.
I’m getting a headache.
I see a lot of people having a tantrum because they can’t have their way. They’re playing to cameras so it becomes a media event and the bias predictably becomes a referendum on Christian religion. I note they have stayed away from the black churches. (they would get a fight and know it)
This will be a media fight to the end and guess which one is a bastion of political correctness.
Hey, since when is this thread a discussion of Mormon theology? I thought we were talking about the whackos that are threatening Mormons, Catholics, evangelicals, and others who believe gay marriage is wrong?
As a hetereosexual, white, male, married, veteran, from the south I welcome my Mormon brothers.
Just wait though until Hollywood starts making a series of shows that pokes fun at and invents stereotypes about you.
Now in liberal talk the previous description of myself translates to this.
Gay bashing homophobic, oppressor, racist, religious fundamentalist, suffering from PTSD related to a long history of baby killing and civilian oppresing, uneducated, Hitler jackbooted thug.
And that is before I say conservative or Republican. That opens an entirely new set of smears.
BTW do the Mormons have an application form like the one Obama has to work for him?
Difi and Schwarteznkennedy don’t care about our vote and democracy. Theirs is one where only decisions they agree with are acceptable. Anythingelse should be overturned by the courts. Get used to it and do something about Rinos and Demoncrats. The real question is where are the Catholic bishops who have not excommunicated Laughing Eyes Pelosi, ex-governor Moonbeam, and Schawartzenkennedy.
With all the fires raging here, I’m wondering if the L.A. protest will go on as planned.
If it does, I doubt that it will go over very well with the residents here.
Many of us have more pressing concerns at the moment.
I can’t wait to put an all out effort against Feinstein and Boxer when their time comes. They need to be gone, far far away gone.
Hey Ugly I was just catching some news on that and of course only one side was covered, guess which one? lol
are you near the fires?
BTW, Yes on Prop 8 supporters released a video yesterday addressing these protests.
It’s well worth watching.
Link
ajmontana: Things got pretty exciting here in The Valley last night, but I am just fine.
Thanks for asking.
Yeah I saw video from early a.m. wow, was not pretty and seems to be getting worse. stay safe, that’s the main thing.
Ron – right4life is trying to turn this into a thread about Mormon theology.
You’re right, this isn’t the place.
Had to leave for a few, tks for the notice on the gun shows, where are you at? Orygun here. I have the the 2nd amendment rights, needed some bullets.
Anarchy. UnDemocratic bigots. Homosexual AIDS infectious people. We still have rule of law for two more months.
Tightisright (#149) Richmond, Virginia, and Hickory, North Carolina are the shows I was referring to. I think Virginia is one of the most sensible–in terms of the 2nd Amendment–states in the country.
the restaurant “coyote” that donated $100 for yes on 8 has now donated $500 to the no on 8 group. link here. no mention of intimidation or extortion.
and of course the arguement to protect minority from tyranny of majority is being injected here
no mention of rights of voters.
meanwhile, governor nodrill taxmad girlyman suggests no on 8 use the courts:”i can’t imagine for them to say anything else but what they’ve already said that it’s unconstitutional.” no mention of the will and rights of the voters. here
To make a broad generalization, to sum up the differences between Mormons and Christians: Christians have Truth, but don’t live like it. Mormons don’t have Truth, yet live as Christians should.
I have no issues with being called whatever names. In the grand scheme of things, which would a person appreciate more: someone being “nice” to them and never sharing Truth with them, or someone who is willing to tell them Truth? Of course, communication skills play a roll here, but I’m focusing on the message. I have no qualms in telling someone they are in danger of hell. Someone was gracious enough years ago to tell me that very thing, and I’m eternally grateful to them for doing so. As I say, with eternity in mind, I’m sure they’d rather hear Truth than pleasantries. To flip this around, why do you think they have so many missionaries in the field? There’s a purpose with their work beyond just being nice. They claim to have Truth, so I’m calling them on it.
Gotta love the idea of cultural hegemony, but that’s another topic. Look, I have great respect for Mormon people, but I have none for their beliefs. Should I respect the idea that 2+2=5? My questions were fair and not asked with the purpose to ridicule anyone. Because you asked, should I be sure to save further inquiries for the thread that focuses on Mormon vs. Christian beliefs? When would be the proper time and place?
Prime Director, since the mid-90’s, completely aside from how many generations have passed, we are, as a matter of fact, still hovering around the 2% number. We homos have failed to live up to Mr. Cameron’s dire prediction of “taking over.” I, for one, am quite happy about it.
Ajmontana, you might be crude sometimes, but I agree–I hope to all hell that you guys boot Feinstein and Boxer out next go-round. I can’t stand those two. Eugh.
I raise my voice as well, this isn’t a thread for theology issues.
TUA, tks for the link, your right, well worth watching. The last speaker asked the question I’ve been wondering about for a few days now, where is the law in enforcement, local state and federal. These wacko anarchists have violated many laws…I hear nothing. The libs just keep pushing and as I’ve said before it’s going to very ugly and soon.
Where is the FBI, mailings with white powder, harmless or not, it is terrorism.
Think I see a posse forming on the horizon.
The roids finally caught up with Ahhhnold and his balls fell off.
aj, too funny
really?
Luke 5:20
When Jesus saw their faith, he said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.”
Luke 7:50
Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
Romans 1:17
For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
Romans 3:22
This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
I could go on, but you get the picture…maybe you should try reading the bible, instead of the book of mormon, before making foolish comments on it.
Guess He forgot to mention that to the thief on the cross. so you do believe in salvation by works. that is not christianity…sorry.
you believe in polytheism…more than one god…from your site..
this is not christianity, you do not believe in the Trinity…and its real easy..if you don’t believe in the trinity, you are not christian. you have a different jesus and a different gospel.
I navigated the throngs including obligatory men dressed as nuns on my way to SF Library. All I could think was, “Wonder how these people are gonna take Islamic Sharia Law imposed through banking?”
To remove all doubt, yes, that was my desire. Is it not an act of love to share the Truth with someone?
“So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.” Romans 10:17
God has given us His written Word. He has spoken on the topic of homosexuality. It is a sin and an abomination. However, through Jesus Christ we can be forgiven of any sin and each and every one of us can be reconciled back to God through the Cross. This requires repentance – not a secular humanistic demand to redefine marriage.
Jesus told us, “in this world, you will have trouble. But take heart! For I have overcome the world.”
Does anyone here understand the true meaning of that verse?
Secondly, as believers in Christ we are to judge rightly. The “judge not lest ye be judged” verse often used by homosexual activists is not a blanket statement about “not judging – at all.” Could you imagine life if you never made a judgment regarding what is good and what is evil?
As I had mentioned in my previous comment here – this is not just a physical, political, or emotional issue. It is a spiritual issue as well. God’s Word is the plumbline by which we are to base good judgment – no matter what unregenerate man may claim and/or say about any given subject.
faith is based upon evidence…Jesus just didn’t say ‘believe in Me see ya’ He did the works, left the His Word…which has been tested, and proven by the archeology, the prophecy, etc. which the book or mormon cannot do.. God is not unreasonable, and He doesn’t expect you to believe in the obviously false or unsupportable. The bible itself says to test the prophets…if a prophecy is false..then that is not from God.. HE is not afraid of scrutiny.
faith, reason, and the christianity are not incompatible. The Lord has left us His word, and He is not afraid of little scrutiny…unlike the book of mormon.
you give me an LDS website…I give you a secular paper. there were many links on there, which one did you want me to read? and if you don’t see the difference between a secular site…and a LDS site…
lets put the book of mormon to the test…show me the archeology that supports the book of mormon, and not from an LDS site.
Once, yes. Then stop.
uh I looked at your site…
ok, show me the golden plates. shouldn’t be hard…it was in the 19th century…its not like it was 2000 years ago…
there is absolutely no chance on God’s green earth that I would ever become a mormon. or anything but a christian. I follow the God of the Bible..Jesus…as my fathers before me. I will stick with Him, and with the historic christian faith. the faith of Wilberforce, Newton, Luther, Handel, Bach, etc..
Yeah, unfortunately, anything perceived as a threat against the gay community would be an automatic hate-crime. Like several liberals have told me, everything and anything they do is justified because they’re right. And what’s a parking ticket for them is a felony for us.
Hate to tell you this, AniMEL, but the “equality” gays want under the law is *NEVER* afforded whites, Christians, conservatives, or heterosexuals when it comes to hate crimes.
again *I* tried?? I didn’t bring up mormonism..uh who posted this????
uh huh…you’re a liar…by their fruits you shall know them..
Many years ago a friend and I decided to go the New Orleans to drown my recently broken heart. As fate would have it, we came on “Gay Pride” weekend. We stood watching this parade of debauchery–and I do mean DEBAUCHERY–and my friend turned to these two conservatively dressed gay men (they were holding hands but were obviously shocked by what they were witnessing) standing next to us on the sidewalk and asked “Now how exactly does this help gays gain acceptance?” One of the young men gulped and said “I don’t know. We’re from Kansas.”
I’ll ask again, how exactly does threatening old ladies, blacklisting or vandalizing the establishments of folks who disagree with them and screaming in peoples faces help gay people gain acceptance?
Well, they’re not at MSNBC or the AP, that’s for sure.
This is a headline they are using:
Mormon church blames powder hoax on gays
And this is the quote they give to back up their headline:
The quote calls on both sides of the disagreement to urge restraint on extremists. It does not mention gays or the power hoax. Yet the AP wants to leave the impression that the Mormon Church is blaming all gays for the incident. No fanning the flames here.
I am against homosexual marriage.
I don’t want it and I determined to resist it. Meanwhile, how many conservatives have been married more than once? How many have profligate lifestyles? How many have an STD? Do we personally believe and practice something that others should follow?
There will be no change in the Left without an increase in righteousness on the right.
Ye shall know them by their fruits.
right4life – I was a Protestant/Evangelical for 20 years and took New Testament Greek. I’ve studied every page of the Bible. And have been studying the LDS Church for 6 years intensively since I began investigating the Church a little over 6 years ago.
Okay, now look up works… the difference is, we don’t believe you can separate faith from righteous works (visiting widows and orphans, ministering to the sick and needy, praying for our enemies, etc.). The kind of works you refer to are circumcision and following the Law of Moses.
And show me an instance where someone had faith, but had zero righteous works to go with that faith. James had something to say about that.
Haha… I said that too!
uh I just DID!! the thief on the cross, the woman that Jesus told ‘your faith has saved you’ sigh..
you believe in a salvation of works…christians belief salvation is a free gift…
Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. (KJV)
but if works are required, then salvation is due you because of what YOU have done…
Romans 4:4
Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation.
sigh..I really feel sorry for you.
I’m sorry you were never one of us…
1 John 2:
19They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
I stand corrected, I was never one of you. The funny thing is, you’re not one of you.
One more time for all you crackers that don’t get it:
Minorities can’t be racist.
Gays can’t be intolerant.
Every culture is as good and important as any other.
Diversity is religion, just like global warmism, but not a racist religion like Christianity.
The sooner you accept this, the easier the transition will be.
Funny, that’s the same answer I got from the missionaries who came to my house two weeks ago. How am I supposed to prove a negative? The burden of proof resides with Mormons to show me that what they say is true, not for me to prove it didn’t.
So, where is it? Where are any of the cities from the Book of Mormon? I can show you the cities of the Bible. Can you do the same for the Book of Mormon?
So because they had a hypothesis counter to that of the Mormons, said scientists were wrong? Show me a study conducted by the Mormon church that shows a Middle Eastern origin of Native Americans, based upon mitochondrial DNA.
For more, please see these two videos: “DNA vs. the Book of Mormon” and “The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon”.
Also, how do you reconcile from Doctrine and Covenants 130:22 with John 1: “The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.”?
right4life – One last time.
Ye shall know them by their fruits…
Oh, and as to the Prop 8 thing? You’re welcome.
joy, one last time:
the Devil comes as an angel of light.
oh and Joy, your ‘reasoning’ about why the mormon church did not allow black priests until 1978 (in the other thread) was incomprehensible…
its simple..IT WAS RACISM
I just got back from the pro gay marriage protest in downtown San Diego. I have video coming and pics are up.
It was pretty mellow but DAMN they hate religion.
I can imagine Saul of Tarsus saying something very similar once:
“There is absolutely no chance on God’s green earth that I would ever become a Christian or anything but a Jew. I follow the God of the Bible… as my fathers before me. I will stick with Him, and with the historic Jewish faith – the faith of Abraham, Moses, Samuel, David, etc…”
Saul was so convinced the Christian faith was a false cult, he actively persecuted them and held the cloaks of those who stoned Steven. Yet, something happened that changed his mind and converted him into Paul the Apostle.
right4life, it’s reasuring to know that you’re so much smarter than Paul and already know God’s will concerning you. Christ told his followers that they would be hated and persecuted by the world. Perhaps you should ask yourself something: Am I the one being hated and persecuted? Or, am I the one doing the hating and persecuting?
And that’s what leads to the gradual decay of a society. Dress it up however you like, it’s not normal behavior. But there is a certain segment of the population that is bound and determined to force the vast majority, 90+%, to recognize it as normal.
I could not care less what two consenting adults do behind closed doors. I tend to have a view of, ‘who you find love with is who you find love with’. But don’t insult everyones intelligence by claiming it’s “normal”. It’s an aberration.
If today’s children are taught that instead of an aberration, it’s “normal”, what will their children learn? Teach your children that homosexuality is “normal”, and your grandchildren will learn that bestiality is “normal”.
thanks for admitting Mormonism is NOT christianity!!
actually I do know His will for me…it is to be His..as I have been for a long long time…I see no reason to join a false cult, do you??
you mormons think christianity is corrupt and false..yadayad…I’ll stick with the christian faith that has been around for 2,000 years…thanks, but no thanks to joining a psuedo-christian cult with no evidence, or logic, to back up what they say.
Why don’t you mormons follow the example of the world wide church of God?? leave the kingdom of the cults, and become orthodox christians…. The Trinity is true…etc.
If spreading heresy (such as God the Father having “a body of flesh and bones”) is your fruit, then, yes, I do know on which side Mormons stand.
its real simple papa…either mormonism is true, or christianity is true!! there is no compromise…choose your side…I’ll stick with christianity, and the historic christian church..thank you!
Hey Jenn, great pic’s. How come I never saw your site before? I’ll have to check it out more on Monday.
Valerie:
You are absolutely right. Once again, I think GLBT moonbats are claiming to speak for all gay citizens. Not all of us are promiscuous (especially us ugly ones.)
He’s under a BUS. I threw him under a bus (I was driving) over 2 years ago.