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There is no way to judge a person of the past by today’s standards. You don’t know (intimately) all the details of their upbringing or ignorance to certain issues. Nor does anyone seem to realize what society’s norms were then. In today’s world, the Little Rascals would never see the light of day. But when they were filmed, it was for pure entertainment and that is what people wanted to see then. Maybe a few meatheads saw them as a way to keep the Blacks down, but it was all about making money. Hey, it wasn’t that long ago that MTV was considered racist for not putting on any African-American acts besides Michael Jackson.

I realize they teach a more “convenient” form of history in the public schools today, but that doesn’t help us in determining how far we have come and how much further we have to go. So please keep the context correct when discussing historical references.

Simple, but not obvious. In her state – Wisconsin – with a Democratic governor and state senate, as well as an assembly that has just “turned blue” after 14 years as a Republican strong-hold – what could be done by conservatives to: make headway on …

On November 17th, 2008 at 12:58 am, chapoutier said:

53!!!!!

Not sure where you are going with that, but would you like to have a few momements alone to rethink it?

Here, let me throw out a much better answer: 42

And I bet you dont have your towel either.

chapoutier said:
53!!!!!

Okay. Got that out of my system. Night all.

Huh? Learning to count, Chappy?

Okay. Got that out of my system. Night all.

On November 16th, 2008 at 11:33 pm, mistressjustice said:

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Long story short:
You don’t believe there is enough anectdotal evidence to support the claim that Jimmy Stewart and John Wayne were racists. Okay fine. I disagree.

I’m late on this thread (have been stuck on another as some of you know). One thing about that, I do want to apologize to Joy. I was pretty hard on her. I should have been more careful to respond to her posts in a truth-seeking manor (not trying to crush her arguments but asking questions to seek truth and to learn from her as well). I will try to be more civil in the future.

As to this thread, I was just talking about this to someone the other day. I remember watching Little Rascals, Our Gang, and the 3-Stooges growing up (anyone remember Icky Twerp’s Slam Bang Theater?) At some point, all of these shows just stopped being broadcast. I can’t remember when or why this happened, but thinking about it in light of today’s PC mindset, it makes sense why the broadcasts stopped.

Much of the old stuff did reinforce negative stereotypes and rightfully were stopped. Seems like there was an Abbot & Costello movie where this white guy sang on stage the song “Me and My Shadow”. To my horror, he had a black guy dancing behind him, mimicking the white guy’s movements. That’s as bad as it gets. What kind of planet would allow such a thing and no one thought anything about it? As much as the race-baiters complain of racism in the U.S. today, it is obvious that we’ve come a long way in the past 50 years.

On November 16th, 2008 at 8:38 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

Long story short:
You don’t believe there is enough anectdotal evidence to support the claim that Jimmy Stewart and John Wayne were racists. Okay fine. I disagree.
There’s a whole lot more to the Jimmy Stewart stories, but folks can look it up if they care. Personally, Stewart used to be one of my favorite actors, and Harvey, one of my favorite films. Now I don’t enjoy either. The hell with Jimmy Stewart. I can’t enjoy the art of someone who thinks my race is inferior. That’s just me, I don’t begrudge or condemn anyone who can seperate the two.

Moreover, you’re saying that even if these men were racists, it doesn’t matter because they were in a different time and place, and they didn’t get the benefits of the modern Civil Rights Movement. If it doesn’t matter to you, good enough. For me, I don’t give passes just because times were different. There have been non-racist whites throughout our country’s history who believed in equality for all, and supremacy for none. These whites didn’t need a MLK in their life to teach them about human decency and humanity. I think your side talks about relativism. Well, when it comes to racism, it’s inherently wrong, and many in history have realized that, without the need for post-1954 Civil Rights education or excuse making.

Oh – and John Wayne’s wives weren’t just hispanic, they were MEXICAN, and racially Mexicans are 85% American Indian. So again one presses the question, how can John Wayne be a racist yet fall in love and marry not one but 3 women of a race he supposedly hates?

Now, that’s as almost as silly and unfocused as my original claim that hispanics are white. Many hispanics are white, and many mexicans consider themselves to be white. Your 85% claim doesn’t apply to ALL mexicans, and who the hell knows the racial makeup of Wayne’s wives. If the wives had Native-American blood, it doesn’t negate the ability of Wayne to have racist views against Native-Americans as a whole, or certain ones. People make exceptions and rationalize. If you look at the history of early Hollywood, it was perfectly acceptable to romantically pair a white male actor with “white” latin or hispanic actresses. You would never see a white male, star, actor romantically paired with a Black female in the 30s, 40s, or 50s. “White” latin or hispanic people were placed on a pedestal higher than blacks.

Watch Ken Burns “Civil War” series, you’ll see a liberal historian degrading Abraham Lincoln as a racist because with his Victorian upbringing and view point he wasn’t able to view racial relations the same way a post civil right movement American would.

Again, there were plenty of whites in the Victorian era who fought for and believed in racial equality for Blacks. Lincoln just wasn’t one of those people. Burns also shatters the myth that Lincoln freed the slaves because he was some heroic icon of racial equality.

Hey, this stuff doesn’t keep me up at nights, and I don’t devote my life to “correcting” the legacies of so-called icons. To each his/her own. But I offer no apologies for my views, or my insults to Filmladd. I feel bad for the people who have no interest in this crap, but hey, that’s what the mouse is for. I won’t be dropping any more insult bombs on this thread tonight, although some “counterpunches” are due.

On November 16th, 2008 at 9:04 pm, tre said:

You seem like good people. That’s sweet of you.

There seems to be a young co-ed bartending and she hasnt had the chance to completly shoot me down yet. I just need to give her a fair shot.

TxEng – Enjoy! (if/while you can) I ran through mine back at the first of the year. (Snowboard incident of all things)

TexasEngineer said:
Peep…I used the “brand name” for the medication…

Probably just a comment board “hiccup” that lost it then.