Anti-Prop. 8 Mob Watch: Christians in San Francisco’s Castro district
Watch gay activists hound Christians in San Francisco’s Castro district:
Even some left-wing blogs are starting to realize this is bad p.r. for their side.
From the YouTube user’s description of the confrontation, which got physical:
After just singing and worshiping God for a while, Roger decided that we should all hold hands in a circle and continue singing. So we did.
Someone (Actually a person who came up and hugged and kissed some of us who he knew from the past) convinced some people that we were there to protest against the no on 8 campaign.
Then some guy who was dressed up like one of the sisters (The sisters of perpetual indulgence is a group of men who dress up like nuns and call themselves the spiritual authority of the Castro.) took a curtain-type thing (Which I think they use to curse people) and wrapped it around us.
Then a crowd started gathering. We began to sing “Amazing Grace”, and basically sang that song the whole night. (At some points we also sang “Nothing but the Blood of Jesus” and “Oh the Blood of Jesus”.) At first, they just shouted at us, using crude, rude, and foul language and calling us names like “haters” and “bigots”. Since it was a long night, I can’t even begin to remember all of the things that were shouted and/or chanted at us. Then, they started throwing hot coffee, soda and alcohol on us and spitting (and maybe even peeing) on us. Then, a group of guys surrounded us with whistles, and blasted them inches away from our ears continually. Then, they started getting violent and started shoving us. At one point a man tried to steal one of our Bibles. Chrisdene noticed, so she walked up to him and said “Hey, that’s not yours, can you please give it back?”. He responded by hitting her on the head with the Bible, shoving her to the ground, and kicking her. I called the cops, and when they got there, they pulled her out of the circle and asked her if she wanted to press charges. She said “No, tell him I forgive him.”
Afterwards, she didn’t rejoin us in the circle, but she made friends with one of the people in the crowd, and really connected heart to heart. Roger got death threats. As the leader of our group, people looked him in the eyes and said “I am going to kill you.”, and they were serious. A cop heard one of them, and confronted him. (This part is kinda graphic, so you should skip the paragraph if you don’t want to be offended.) It wasn’t long before the violence turned to perversion. They were touching and grabbing me, and trying to shove things in my butt, and even trying to take off my pants – basically trying to molest me. I used one hand to hold my pants up, while I used the other arm to hold one of the girls. The guys huddled around all the girls, and protected them.
And here’s KTVU coverage of the incident.
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On November 18th, 2008 at 11:58 am, zeroangel said:
Darwin was ugly and I’ll bet Jesus could make a better wooden patio.
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Even I must admit: HAR!
And yes, I’ll bet He COULD have, before the whole Messiah (according to my belief) thing kicked in.
right4life:
Only cause Darwin wan’t trying. Heh.
How do you know? Humanist believe in reason, ethics, and justice. Where do those ideas come from?
FamilyMan:
The short answer is history, an evolved mind, and society. The long answers are rather abstract but for me, saying “God” doesn’t do it.
On November 18th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, SoCal said:
Angry religious people sitting alone in front of a computer complaining about gay people… what peace they have found in jesus.
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You don’t exactly seem to have cornered the market on inner peace yourself.
And you’ve obviously been sitting in front of a computer. Get over your own anger at anyone who believes in anything you don’t.
you darwnists are a gullible lot.
right4life:
*one eyebrow raise*
anyone who believes in evolution is gullible, and easily led. oh yes all your pretentions of rationality are a joke.
you evolutionists are SOOO pompous, but your hairygod has no clothes.
Probably annoys you because it proves we’re not afraid of technology – just the immoral application thereof.
I’ve found peace enough in Jesus to know when and how and why to fight to defend my faith ant His Church.
The short answer is correct. The longer question is the next step.
FamilyMan:
Yes, good luck on your journey.
Are you giving up on growing? THERE IS SO MUCH MORE OUT THERE inside you.
FamilyMan:
Are you giving up on growing? There is so much out there in the natural world!
Look, I am basically reiterating everything you say to make a point to you. I am not sure you are getting it.
zeroangel
Reason allows you to observe that you are a totality of all that is. You must then ask yourself who is observing this about myself. The answer is the observer is the observed. You are a totality of all the good and bad in the world because your are all that came before you. At that point you will say ‘WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT”. If you’re very serious and quiet inside, you will find by simply observing that there is much much more beyond reason.
zeroangel
Science is dogma
Religion is dogma
Humanism is dogma
Atheism is dogma
You can not find the infinite with the finite.
FamilyMan:
You seem to be talking about dualism. I am sorry, but there is no evidence for the “Homunculus.” Our “minds” can simply be a function of our biological “brains.” No ghost in the machine, just the machine. Not that that is any less incredible, in fact, I think it is more so.
In any case; if you are serious and quiet inside you will see that there is much, much more to reason and the natural world.
They were killed by Christians…
FamilyMan:
That sounds positively Zen. Nicely done, it still doesn’t constitute evidence for the supernatural (an oxymoron in itlsef).
where’s your link?? you mean people like John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Wayne Williams, Arthur Gary Bishop, David Edward Maust
How do you know unless you try? Evidence is for dogmatic people. Go beyond reason.
oh thats a good one. so you find the theory of eugenics in christianity huh?? ever hear of the pink swastika??? people like Ernst Rohm??? think again who those murderes were.
have you even graduated high school???
FamilyMan:
Honestly, you are seriously starting to sound like the new-age types that generally get laughed out of Humanist meetings.
I have “gone beyond reason” and found it unfulfilling. Natural explanations are much more fulfilling for me personally. If you want to believe in the supernatural and it works for you, good for you! I don’t and it doesn’t. That doesn’t make me a bad person nor does it make me anymore dogmatic than you.
SoCal:
The operative phrases in your citations are “was” and “were.”
Men – in the name of Catholicism, Protestantism, and most New Testament Christian sects – committed their crimes in violation of the teachings of said Christianity.
They left the faith, or used a twisted, perverse interpretatio of it, in an attempt to justify their means.
Hitler was no more a Catholic when he came to power than I am the next Pope.
You are the one looking. If you’re very serious and quiet inside, you will find by simply observing, without the you, that there is much much more beyond reason.
It’s is obvious you have not.
“I’ve had people try to kill me” and “I will not stand for the slander that goes on here.”
Really?
What are you going to do about it, Zero? Are you going to whine and cry about it? You’ve already done that. Are you going to make some juvenile insults. You did that too.
Stop with the false bravado and the empty threats, and debate if you can!
FamilyMan:
I know you are, but what am I?
StanW:
Debate with you that atheism or humanism doesn’t lead to all kinds of bad things? OK. It doesn’t and my life is proof of that. QED.
Natural explanation are just as dogmatic as religion.
I never said I believed in the supernatural.
In that vein of proof, neither does religion lead to ‘all kinds of bad things’, with MY life as proof.
So where does that leave us? Oh yes, right back where we started that humanist has caused more pain and suffering in this world that religion ever has. Ready to tackle that one, Zero, or do you have any other people you need to insult and threaten?
FamilyMan:
Oh, then you are an atheist? Or are we playing with the definition of “supernatural?”
StanW:
Correct.
Well, let’s assume that you mean Humanism = atheism (which it doesn’t have to, but for the sake of arguement we will).
I have already dealt with it. If Muslim wackos succeed in what they want, religion will easily surpass atheism in body count.
Playing the numbers game is pointless. I could argue that “atheist” killers merely had technology on thier side.
How does every thread about the anti-8 protesters and some of the ugly things they are doing end up being a debate over religion?
I have no proof, but I’d be willing to guess that a very large and significant majority of the people that voted yes on Prop 8 are not regular church goers.
Non of the above.
Your stuck with you upper brain chatter. Stop the chatter. Stop the reasoning and simply observe without holding on so tighly to some make believe dogma.
PS. This is aside from the idea that it wasn’t atheism that led Hitler / Stalin / Mao to thier ends, but merely the fact that they were power hungry lunatics.
FamilyMan:
Oh, I get it. Just do away with language completely.
OK, I am all for believing in the Force. Have a nice day and may the Force be with you.
Salt:
Is it possible any were atheists?
A stunning ploy, but wrong. As has already been noted, Muslims have a long way to go to equal the body count of Stalin, or Mao, or the eugenics movement, Humanists all.
And if you choose to explain away all the murder on your side of the tab to “power hungry lunatics”, then that will negate all deaths on either side. Power works both ways.
You are arguing yourself in a circle, Zero.
StanW:
Correct. You will be hard pressed to find any place here that I argue religion in a general sense leads to death and destruction.
I’m assuming that’s rhetorical.
In some regard, I see these mobs as a blunt weapon that was guided to a target for them to vent upon by a media speculating as to why prop-8 passed.
There’s hardly enough Mormons in California for them to have done it all by themselves.
Why is there no outcry from the left about the hate crimes being visited upon many innocent Mormons and Christians? (That one is definitely rhetorical.)
Indeed there should be. I agree with your point.
zeroangel
It’s beyond anything you can say, think or do.
I should have mentioned that I believe the notion of a “hate crime” is a bit redundant and ridiculous, but since the left has set a standard for such things, I’m curious about why there is not an equal application of that standard.
FamilyMan:
I guess it makes no sense to talk about on the internet using words then.
Salt:
On this particular topic of hate crime it seems we are in agreement.
Sure it does. Words can take you to the edge so you can jump off for yourself.
This thing keeps getting worse and worse every day. First it was a lone elderly woman, now an entire group is horribly assaulted. I get this sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach that this is going to get way worse before it gets any better.
I am absolutely mortified by what I just read. How dare they.
Yeah, perhaps you can tell Omu and Mookie and the rest that I’m not crazy – I know right where this is headed, and someone – Mormon or Christian – is going to end up dead.
englishqueen-
Sadly I agree with you, and if its a Christian-the MSM will ignore it.
If its a gay protestor, we can bet that the media will give it the “Matthew Sheperd” treatment of it and show how much hatred there is towards this loving group of people.
In Memphis, there was a dance concert that was based on Matthew Shepeard’s life, and death last year.
Unfortunately gays won’t accept the fact that Matthew was killed during a drug induced rage and that homosexuality wasn’t the mitigating factor.
If a Christian or straight dies at the hands of a gay for being heterosexual, there is no hate crime.
If a homosexual is a victim of a violent crime, then the perputrators background is screened for any anti-gay bigotry and even if theres none-it doesn’t matter, because the accused will still be charged with a hate crime.
GSP
“This is Sparta!”
A Google search shows the bias. “Matthew Shepherd” has over 800,000 hits.
“Mary Stachowicz” – a 51-year-old Catholic who was stabbed by her homosexual co-worker 17 times and with such force he bent the blade of the hunting knife he used, then he stuffed her body between the floorboards of his apartment – has only 17,000 hits.
“Jesse Dirkhising” – a 13-year-old boy who was drugged, assaulted, and tied up by two gay men and died from the position in which he was held – has only about 8,000 hits.
We, naturally, deserve it. And the media will work tirelessly to reinforce the notion we’re the only bigotted ones, and we can never be the victims of hate crimes.
Equal protection does not apply to us. I think hate crime enhancers are crap, but if they’re going to be law, we deserve protection, too.
Gunslingerpatriot, there’s only one thing I disagree with you on, and that’s your use of ABC’s story that supposedly “proved” that Shepard wasn’t killed in a “gay rage” incident. That story is wholly based on claims made by the two idiots who committed the crime (and their lovers/accomplices); these are the same people who used the gay rage defense at trial who are now claiming they lied. I think they did kill him because he was gay, although I don’t believe the incident should be used to further the cause of hate crimes legislation on the federal level (I don’t agree with them at all).
Everything else you point out, however, is spot-on.
Englishqueen101, you are right. The MSM doesn’t care if it’s a religious victim of a hate crime (unless they’re Muslim, of course). They’ll ignore it because I think, at least in part, they believe the “nutjobs” deserve it. I know a few gay people with whom I do not get along who openly state they believe Christians deserve this. Hypocritical pr***s.
If we MUST have hate crime laws, everyone should be protected. I will say, though, that here in AZ even those crimes believed to be hate crimes are sometimes not classified as such because the only evidence that it was a hate crime is hearsay that a perpetrator used an anti-gay slur, something that cannot be corroborated by any witness other than the victim. I don’t know ’bout my home state, but here they at least try to be level-headed about it.
Thanks englishqueen, I couldn’t recall Mary and Jessie’s names when I orignally posted. If I remember corectly there was a third person (a teen if I recall correctly) that was mentioned in either a Larry Elder or Ann Colter book.
AniMEL, thanks for the correction. And I agree with you and would go further in that hate crimes laws violate the 14th amendment of equal protection.
Come to think of it; hate crimes laws appear to be more consistent with the book “Animal Farm” where all animals are considered equal, just some “more” equal than others.
GSP
“This is Sparta!”
Actually, AniMEL, if you go back and check you’ll see that the police who investigated it themselves realized the motive was robbery by some violent thugs & they recorded it as such. It was only later, when some militant homosexual groups saw a chance to cash in (literally and figurtivaly) bigtime, that the motive was changed.
Machtpolitk and mass murder clearly entail a departure from Christian ethics; that’s not necessarily the case with humanism.
To the secular humanist, man is the author of his own ethics and morals. Right and wrong are constantly evolving, arbitrary, relative and changing.
Conceivably, to the humanist, there are circumstances where mass murder is the answer. Hitler, Stalin and Mao simply found themselves in those circumstances. Regretable but all too necessary.
I suspect that those who say that mass murder is never consistent with a humanist viewpoint are ethical kleptomaniacs, unconsciously yet still selectively picking their values from the pockets of their God-fearing Christian neighbors.
And just when did that ethical standard start?
One small problem, SoCal:
NO ONE ON THIS BOARD WAS ALIVE WHEN COLUMBUS LANDED. NOR WHEN THE GOV. OF MA BAY COLONY WROTE WHAT HE WROTE!
I was born in 1983, not 1583, and therefore find it both insulting and stupid to hold me – or anyone else – accountable for the actions of people who lived and died two centuries before I came into this world.
around 32 AD or so.
Christians believe that the Son of God came to Earth and commanded everyone to obey the 10 commandments and, in addition, love thy neighbor. So ipso facto, mass murder is un-Christian because it contradicts the core message of Christianity.
On the other hand, mass murder does not contradict the core message of secular humanism, because to the secular humanist, morals are simply conventional, a man-made rule-of-thumb that can be put aside in “exceptional” circumstances without consequence.
If the humanist can improve the welfare of the group by sacrificing the well-being of a few individuals, then why wouldn’t he do so? If he could create utopia by engaging in mass slaughter of some undesireables, then wouldn’t it be irresponsible of him if he refused to do so?
After all, you can’t make an omlette without breaking some eggs.
IF TWO HUNDRED YEARS IS TO LONG TO HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOMEONE’S WORDS, HOW ABOUT HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE TWO THOUSAND YEAR OLD WORDS FOUND ON FADED SCRAPS OF PAPER IN A CAVE THAT YOU CLAIM IS A HOLY BOOK? ISN’T THAT PRETTY INSULTING AND STUPID? I SURE THNK SO…
(Jeez, you really got me with that argument… )
IF TWO HUNDRED YEARS IS TO LONG TO HOLD YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOMEONE’S WORDS, HOW ABOUT HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE TWO THOUSAND YEAR OLD WORDS FOUND ON FADED SCRAPS OF PAPER IN A CAVE THAT YOU CLAIM IS A HOLY BOOK? ISN’T THAT PRETTY INSULTING AND STUPID? I SURE THNK SO…
(Jeez, you really got me with that argument… )
SoCal:
You are probably the most irrational, unhinged person I’ve met on this board. That’s saying something, although I wouldn’t brag about it.
There is a difference between Tradition – which is what Christian faith is based on, and those “faded scraps of paper”, which we consider holy Scripture.
We believe those words to be the words and works of God and His Son, Christ Jesus. We are accountable to them because they are the ultimate model by which we are to live our lives.
You, on the other hand, are attempting to hold us accountable for the actions of people who did things long before our time. You are placing the blame for their terrible actions on us, when we had no control or no ability to change those actions.
In other words, you’re comparing apples to Buicks.
And I highly recommend a good stiff drink and a double dose of Valum to take the edge off, ’cause, geez, I can feel your blood pressure skyrocketing just by reading you’re post.
Heh, now that’s a 3-pointer.
So all of you folks who subscribe to notion that the universe has a secular origin:
How many of you are competent in the mathematics underlying quantum cosmology?
Can you derive the redshift effect using the geodisic equation for a light wave? Can you work your way through and explain the significance of the DeWitt-Wheeler equation, Einsteinian field equations, etc….
… or do you just take it on faith that the secular priesthood at the astrophysics department of the elite universities are right?
*sigh*
I see this is still going on.
Prime Director:
My undergrad was Mathematics. I remember at least once working out (as a practical exercise) what a distant observer would see as a spacecraft fell into a black hole. So, though it may take me a lot of catching up (having been out of school for years) I think I could conceivably at least understand some of the math from the relevant equations. Red shift itself is a pretty simple concept (think motorcycle passing by).
In any event, it doesn’t matter. Your use of the word “faith” is disingenuous. I have “faith” in models that describe the laws of physics in the same way I have “faith” that turning the key on my car’s ignition will start the car. I might not be able to build a combustion engine, but I have a working idea of how it works.
I do not have “faith” that praying to an invisible being will get me anything. Experience has shown me that “god helps those who help themselves.”
Does that answer your question?
Ref. “stealing morals” where does that leave a Humanist in say India? Does he steal from his Buddhist neighbors? The truth is we all get our morals from the same place. People just attribute them to different things.
Finally, ref. justifying mass murder; that sword cuts both ways, as has been pointed out already.
On every landing, Christopher Columbus planted a cross and placed a document called the Requerimiento“I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your country and shall make war against you … and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church … and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him.”
Thank God for Columbus, we need more men like him and especially CHARLES MARTEL!!!
oh and Thank God for the crusades, and the defeat of the muslim invasion!!!
Interestingly, I agree on some level with right4life.
Had the crusades been completely successful, I wonder if we would have the same problems with the Mid East that we have today. I am inclined to believe things would be better, if for no other reason, there would be one less thing to fight about.
Mind you, I am not trying to justify the crusades anymore than I would try and justify dropping the A-bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I am just pointing out that there could possibly been or have been positive results for westerners in general.
probably not. islam is an agressive religion, and I find it amusing that people can complain about the crusades, but never say a word about the JIHAD that caused the crusades in the first place.
I like Martel…a very tough guy…used the greek phalanx to defeat the heavily armoured calvary of the muslims…no one thought he could do it.
Unfortunately the Lord has other plans for Islam…I find it interesting that the anti-christ, the dark man to come, will BEHEAD those who disagree with him…things that make you go hmmmmmm….
I have no problems with dropping the A-bomb…had we not, we would have had to invade japan…and by doing that probably ended the entire japanese race. they were fanatical..see Iowa Jima…and we would have had to kill tens of MILLIONS of them to finally end that war, had we not used the A-bomb.
Right4life:
Incredible, it seems we generally agree here.
I had a conversation with a coworker this morning about “gray” areas.
I made the point that killing someone in and of itself is always “wrong.” However, it’s never “in and of itself.” The same thing can be said of, for example, the Crusades, or the A-bomb.
I won’t judge Truman. Warfare was waged differently back then and many, many more civilians lost their lives to conventional bombing.
very true, people forget the tokyo fire bombings of march 9-10 1945…killed about 130,000 people…in a hellish firestorm….it was total war…I’d rather have the nuke and get it over with quick…
If those had been straight white Christians attacking blacks or gays, the police would have shot them down like the ATF shoots down Christians and Branch Davidians. Welcome to the Obama Regime. If black protestors had gone into a white neighborhood and been treated like this, the police would have attacked the protestors. Welcome to the gay dictatorship. I hope the people of Ohio and Pennsylvania get this treatment in spades, so to speak.