Anti-Prop. 8 Mob Watch: Christians in San Francisco’s Castro district

By Michelle Malkin  •  November 17, 2008 04:23 PM

Watch gay activists hound Christians in San Francisco’s Castro district:

Even some left-wing blogs are starting to realize this is bad p.r. for their side.

From the YouTube user’s description of the confrontation, which got physical:

After just singing and worshiping God for a while, Roger decided that we should all hold hands in a circle and continue singing. So we did.

Someone (Actually a person who came up and hugged and kissed some of us who he knew from the past) convinced some people that we were there to protest against the no on 8 campaign.

Then some guy who was dressed up like one of the sisters (The sisters of perpetual indulgence is a group of men who dress up like nuns and call themselves the spiritual authority of the Castro.) took a curtain-type thing (Which I think they use to curse people) and wrapped it around us.

Then a crowd started gathering. We began to sing “Amazing Grace”, and basically sang that song the whole night. (At some points we also sang “Nothing but the Blood of Jesus” and “Oh the Blood of Jesus”.) At first, they just shouted at us, using crude, rude, and foul language and calling us names like “haters” and “bigots”. Since it was a long night, I can’t even begin to remember all of the things that were shouted and/or chanted at us. Then, they started throwing hot coffee, soda and alcohol on us and spitting (and maybe even peeing) on us. Then, a group of guys surrounded us with whistles, and blasted them inches away from our ears continually. Then, they started getting violent and started shoving us. At one point a man tried to steal one of our Bibles. Chrisdene noticed, so she walked up to him and said “Hey, that’s not yours, can you please give it back?”. He responded by hitting her on the head with the Bible, shoving her to the ground, and kicking her. I called the cops, and when they got there, they pulled her out of the circle and asked her if she wanted to press charges. She said “No, tell him I forgive him.”

Afterwards, she didn’t rejoin us in the circle, but she made friends with one of the people in the crowd, and really connected heart to heart. Roger got death threats. As the leader of our group, people looked him in the eyes and said “I am going to kill you.”, and they were serious. A cop heard one of them, and confronted him. (This part is kinda graphic, so you should skip the paragraph if you don’t want to be offended.) It wasn’t long before the violence turned to perversion. They were touching and grabbing me, and trying to shove things in my butt, and even trying to take off my pants – basically trying to molest me. I used one hand to hold my pants up, while I used the other arm to hold one of the girls. The guys huddled around all the girls, and protected them.

And here’s KTVU coverage of the incident.

Soul-fixer, where art thou?

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  1. #547873
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:04 pm, corkie said:

    Omu, did you come back to demonstrate more of your hatred towards consenting polygamists?

  2. #547875
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:06 pm, tuffy said:

    After watching the video, I have to it: I love cops.

  3. #547877
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:07 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 5:55 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    Excellent comment overall.

    America…is being invaded by folks who want *us* to tolerate them, but who outright refuse to tolerate *us* unless we kowtow to their demands.

    Very, very true. This is all part of a bigger picture. It is a documented fact that America was built as, and achieved greatness as, a Judeo-Christian nation built on Biblical values. That foundation has been under attack for less than 100 years, but the attacks are growing ever more viscious. Obama himself is part of the attacks on our Biblical foundation.

    Why does a Biblical foundation matter? Because without that foundation, our nation would, in fact, be brought to its knees.

    De-moral-ization Leads to Totalitarianism

    Who is “Inspired” to “Bring an Empire to its Knees”?

  4. #547880
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:10 pm, grevillea said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 5:34 pm, frostrt said:
    They were not asking for the “drama”; it came to them. I might add; Christianity teaches that there is no “complexity” to the issue of homosexuality; it goes against God’s intentions and the very reason he created us as male and female. Period.

    We do not hate homosexual people; we do not stop believing what we believe because it offends them. I personally pray for their conversion.

    It came to them? They live on the street in the Castro? (And no, that is not to condone violence or removal of free speech, just an observation.)

    Isn’t it funny how the Bible is infused with the cultural mores of Semitic tribes of thousands of years ago, considering it was mainly written by… Semitic tribes thousands of years ago. (And not in English.) Complete certainty about God’s intentions and reasons based on your interpretation of Scripture is a big call. And not an appropriate basis for the laws of a secular society.

  5. #547882
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:11 pm, right4life said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 5:00 pm, cmj said:
    Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. (Luke 23:34)

    Jesus forgave without being asked too.

    really? did He forgive Judas?? did He forgive the rich young ruler???

    He said of Judas: it would have been better if he had never been born…scary stuff….

  6. #547884
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:11 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:
  7. #547885
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:12 pm, right4life said:

    And not an appropriate basis for the laws of a secular society.

    oh please, your entire notion of right and wrong come from those writings.

    in your ’secular’ view…there is no right and wrong…there is only power…as Hitler and Stalin understood all too well…

    explain morality from an evolutionary perspective…you cannot. the strong do as they will…

  8. #547886
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:14 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    if it wasn’t for christianity, slavery would be worldwide today…

    try history 101…look up WILBERFORCE..

    Excellent movie.
    Highly, highly recommended.

  9. #547887
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:16 pm, StanW said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:11 pm, right4life said:

    Jesus forgave without being asked too.
    really? did He forgive Judas?? did He forgive the rich young ruler???

    He said of Judas: it would have been better if he had never been born…scary stuff….

    Without saying I know the mind of the Lord, I feel that Jesus would have forgiven Judas, had he not killed himself and simply asked. Peter betrayed Jesus as well, as Jesus forgave him.

    The forgiveness in this situation at Castro is only going to embolden the perputrator to more asct of violence. I hope this young woman can live with the fact that she could have stopped it.

  10. #547888
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:16 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 5:49 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    If our so called leaders do not step up and condone condemn the anti prop 8 gangs, the final out come will be the start of a civil war.

    maybe it should be condoms

  11. #547889
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:16 pm, cicerokid said:

    omu said:”gay district?”

    Gay district. One of the most terrifically ignorant pair of works I have ever heard. Gay district. Black district. Chicano district.

    Soon to come: Liberal district. Conservative district. Mason-Dixon Line. 38th Parrallel. Zigfried line.

    Pick a demarcation, any demarcation. America is no longer a melting pot.

  12. #547890
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:16 pm, right4life said:

    Excellent movie.
    Highly, highly recommended.

    it was a great movie!! the guy who plays mr. fantastic was Wilberforce…I have seen where the great man rests in westminster abbey…

    the guy who played Newton was awesome!

  13. #547892
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:18 pm, cicerokid said:

    “Members of the gay community insisted that their reaction to the Christian group was spontaneous. “It was not an organized thing. We’re tired of it. It’s not religious. It’s not a racial thing. It’s about hate.”

    Add that one to the list of Duh!

  14. #547893
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:18 pm, right4life said:

    Without saying I know the mind of the Lord, I feel that Jesus would have forgiven Judas, had he not killed himself and simply asked. Peter betrayed Jesus as well, as Jesus forgave him.

    there are certain people the Lord will NEVER forgive..the pharisess that said he was of the devil…those that get the mark of the beast…those that blaspheme the Spirit…

    He’s not all sweetness and light..there is a time of judgement…which is frightening…even for those that are His…

  15. #547894
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:19 pm, bluesoc said:

    explain morality from an evolutionary perspective…you cannot. the strong do as they will…

    I believe there has been a lot of research on the evolutionary benefits of altruism. Here’s an overview based on a quick google search.

  16. #547896
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:21 pm, feebiebabe said:

    Al-Gayda.

    :lol:

  17. #547898
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:23 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    If this comes to the point of bloodshed, any gays that do the killing will be heroes in the left’s eyes, and andy that die will become martyrs.

    Kind of like what happened with the Communists in Chicago in 1898. Check out what year that monument was placed there, and ask yourself which political party was in power at that time.

  18. #547899
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:23 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    andy any

  19. #547900
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:23 pm, ajmontana said:

    feebiebabe said:
    Al-Gayda.

    Talk about confusing on the 72 virgin part. :shock:

  20. #547901
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:23 pm, right4life said:

    I believe there has been a lot of research on the evolutionary benefits of altruism. Here’s an overview based on a quick google search.

    I know, to the evolutionist, evolution is all in all, and it explains everything. :roll: its a nice just-so story, thats about it.

    but what is right and wrong in evolution??? and why?

  21. #547902
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:24 pm, grevillea said:

    oh please, your entire notion of right and wrong come from those writings.

    Oh right, that’s why I believe I should be blessed with concubines and slaves. And avoid shellfish. And divorce should be illegal. And women shouldn’t speak in church.

  22. #547903
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:25 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:16 pm, cicerokid said:

    omu said:”gay district?”

    Gay district. One of the most terrifically ignorant pair of works I have ever heard. Gay district. Black district. Chicano district.

    Soon to come: Liberal district. Conservative district. Mason-Dixon Line. 38th Parrallel. Zigfried line.

    Pick a demarcation, any demarcation. America is no longer a melting pot.

    And we can thank our friends on the other side of the aisle, the Damnocrats, for that. No group, no political affiliation, no organization in the history of this country has been steadfastly anti-minority anti-imigrant as long and as vehemently as the Democrats.

    They’ve already torn this country apart by civil war and depression in the past, it looks like they can’t wait to try it again.

    Thanks to them, my district is now known as the “Heavily armed and damn good shot” district.

  23. #547908
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:28 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It’s impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian… This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation… we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth… These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation.

    Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States,
    The United States Supreme Court,
    143 U.S. 457, 12 S.Ct. 511, 36 L.Ed. 226 (1892)

  24. #547909
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:29 pm, right4life said:

    Oh right, that’s why I believe I should be blessed with concubines and slaves. And avoid shellfish. And divorce should be illegal. And women shouldn’t speak in church.

    blockquote>

    oh gee like I didn’t see such stupidity coming :roll:

    so go ahead and list the secular abolitionist societies… name a secular WILBERFORCE…

    we’ve seen the wonders of ’secular’ civilization in the Soviet Union, the Killing fields of Cambodia, Red China, Nazi Germany…and of course the flower of secularism…evolution…and its fruit…eugenics..

  25. #547914
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:36 pm, right4life said:

    And divorce should be illegal

    the bible allows divorce :roll: are you wackos ever going to evolve some new lines???

    lame and predictable.

  26. #547915
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:36 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    “I am too close missiles-switching to guns!”

    The problem with the issue of gay on straight rape is that most hospitals won’t take a male victim seriously when they come into the ER.

    Sadly I have seen this since the mid 90’s in both military and civilian hospitals.

    What makes this even more disgusting is that my current job working on a mental health ward, I had a open homosexual cross the line not only with his speech, but with him attempting to do the most disgusting things imaginable-unfortunately my co-workers didn’t respond until I called a “Code yellow” (an assualt in progress) and then the patient was just spoken too and not sedated.

    What made it ironic is that we had a patient an hour later refuse to do something, grabbed a nurses hand, released it and walked away. A “Code yellow” was called and the patient was sedated with a haldol shot.

    Man grabs a female nurses’ hand-Bad!
    Gay man attempting to rape a male tech-not bad!

    Now my supervisior wonders why I don’t want to work that specific ward while I quietly search for another job.

    GSP
    “This is Sparta!”

  27. #547916
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:36 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    “I am too close missiles-switching to guns!”

    The problem with the issue of gay on straight rape is that most hospitals won’t take a male victim seriously when they come into the ER.

    Sadly I have seen this since the mid 90’s in both military and civilian hospitals.

    What makes this even more disgusting is that my current job working on a mental health ward, I had a open homosexual cross the line not only with his speech, but with him attempting to do the most disgusting things imaginable-unfortunately my co-workers didn’t respond until I called a “Code yellow” (an assualt in progress) and then the patient was just spoken too and not sedated.

    What made it ironic is that we had a patient an hour later refuse to do something, grabbed a nurses hand, released it and walked away. A “Code yellow” was called and the patient was sedated with a haldol shot.

    Man grabs a female nurses’ hand-Bad!
    Gay man attempting to rape a male tech-not bad!

    Now my supervisior wonders why I don’t want to work that specific ward while I quietly search for another job.

    GSP
    “This is Sparta!”

  28. #547917
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:37 pm, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Sorry about the double post folks.

    GSP

  29. #547919
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:38 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Snip and tie–calm the little faeries down just a tab.

    If this comes to the point of bloodshed, any gays that do the killing will be heroes in the left’s eyes, and andy that die will become martyrs.

    Oh well, thing happen. Shoot back. If we could drive all of them to Sodom by the Bay they would be easier to control.

    Celebrate Diversity:
    Carry a Revolver and an auto loader-you too ladies.

  30. #547922
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:40 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:36 pm, right4life said:
    And divorce should be illegal
    the bible allows divorce are you wackos ever going to evolve some new lines???

    lame and predictable.

    My thoughts exactly.

    I’m almost positive that I’m allowed to speak in church. I can even wear pants. :roll:

  31. #547926
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:42 pm, cicerokid said:

    wanted to read it twice, anyway!

  32. #547927
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:43 pm, rotarymunkey said:

    We all have the right to sexual choice in this country… “Marriage” is, however, a privelege which has existed between a man and a woman, legally-recognized by socially-governing bodies since the beginning of recorded law.

    The argument that we here in CA have revoked the “rights” of gays is absurd.

    We, the People, in CA voted to affirm that “marriage” was between a man and a woman. Then some judge decided that it wasn’t kosher within the wording of the CA Constitution. So, We, the People, voted to revise the wording in line with our definition of marriage. We did NOT defraud gays of any rights to bugger whomever they want (with consent). We simply enforced the definition of “marriage” within the framework of CA law.

    Here’s a thought, if you don’t like it, move to another STATE! I do believe that’s a “right” you still have.

    Also, Christians aren’t called by God to meekly go and testify only in safe, warm churches. They’re called by God to go out to the streets and reach out to people. Of couse, secular liberals understand no authority higher than their own ambitions and desires.

  33. #547928
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:44 pm, cicerokid said:

    I thought attempted rape and assault were criminal offenses…if a cop sees one in progress or believes that one has occured (as in domestic violence) an arrest is made and charges were pressed whether the victim agrees or not. Maybe Kornifornia laws are different…

  34. #547930
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:48 pm, right4life said:

    I’m almost positive that I’m allowed to speak in church. I can even wear pants.

    if you look like hillary, then yes pants are VERY appropriate. :P

    otherwise, showing a little leg is always nice… ;-)

  35. #547933
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:51 pm, iamsaved said:

    There is only one unforgivable sin. That is blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. In other words, rejecting God’s gift of salvation by believing in His only begotten Son, Jesus the Christ.

  36. #547934
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:51 pm, Mookie said:
  37. #547935
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:53 pm, purplepeep said:

    grevillea said:
    And not an appropriate basis for the laws of a secular society.

    Yeah! Grevillea is right! Laws like “Thou shalt not steal” and “Thou shalt not murder” are not appropiate!!! Why such bigotry towards Jesse James and Charles Manson?

  38. #547936
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:54 pm, Omu said:

    It is a documented fact that America was built as, and achieved greatness as, a Judeo-Christian nation built on Biblical values.

    No, that’s not why America is great. In fact, the people that founded this country went out of their way to enshrine the separation of church of state in the constition. It seems the delusional social conservatives only like the constitution when they are using to make sure gays are stripped of pre-existing rights, and to make sure no gay person can ever adopt a child like you did in Arkansas.

    Well, you sad, sad bunch of people better enjoy these petty victories you are getting across the country. Once the old, ignorant people die, and more and more people reject religious intolerance and the next generations can vote, the gay marriage debate is over. Gay marriage WILL be the law of this land eventually, we just need to wait for hateful, despicable agents of intolerance to die off.

  39. #547938
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:55 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:48 pm, right4life said:

    Pants… not a pant suit. Ew.

  40. #547940
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:56 pm, Omu said:

    Yeah! Grevillea is right! Laws like “Thou shalt not steal” and “Thou shalt not murder” are not appropiate!!! Why such bigotry towards Jesse James and Charles Manson?

    Hah, pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. So, are you telling me that there were no laws against murder and theft before Christianity or even Judaism? Wow, religious bigots stun me more and more every day with how utterly desperate they are to hate gay people – you go so far as to flat out ignore basic history. Incredible.

  41. #547944
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:58 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Please Omu, on the first page you were defending people who molested a Christian for using their freedom of speech.

    Sig Heil there little Hitler. Let me introduce you to my little friend :D

  42. #547945
    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:58 pm, iamsaved said:

    Omu, it seems the hate you speak of is being displayed by the homosexuals claiming they have pre-existing rights where there are none.

    I love how you liberals use the word intolerance so easily but show by your actions who the really intolerant are.

    You’re probably right though. God will turn this generation of degenerates over to their lusts and give them what they want. I don’t believe they will like the consequences though.

  43. #547947
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:00 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:54 pm, Omu said:
    Well, you sad, sad bunch of people better enjoy these petty victories you are getting across the country.

    Is that why you are so bent out of shape? Petty indeed.

    Once the old, ignorant people die, and more and more people reject religious intolerance and the next generations can vote, the gay marriage debate is over.

    So tolerant.

    Gay marriage WILL be the law of this land eventually, we just need to wait for hateful, despicable agents of intolerance to die off.

    Nietzsche: God is dead.
    God: Nietzsche is dead.

    If that’s what you are hanging all of your hope on that makes you a sad person. Can’t deal with the fact that not everyone agrees with you. Grow up.

  44. #547950
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:01 pm, Omu said:

    I don’t believe they will like the consequences though.

    This is why I think you’re delusional. There have been no negative consequences of gay marriage observed in ANY example of where it’s been legalised. Not in Belgium, Norway, Holland, Spain, Massachusetts, Canada, South Africa, etc. The point is that you have absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to back up your bigotry. And that makes you delusional.

  45. #547953
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:03 pm, corkie said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:56 pm, Omu said:

    Hah, pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. So, are you telling me that there were no laws against murder and theft before Christianity or even Judaism? …you go so far as to flat out ignore basic history.

    Teach us history, Omu. Teach us about the laws against murder that theft that existed before Judaism.

    BTW, are you finally starting to come to terms with your hatred for consenting polygamists?

  46. #547954
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:03 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Thanks to them, my district is now known as the “Heavily armed and damn good shot” district.

    Lots of Colts where I live.

  47. #547956
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:03 pm, ajmontana said:

    Gay marriage WILL be the law of this land eventually, we just need to wait for hateful, despicable agents of intolerance to die off.

    Your a real piece of work…. It still won’t happen, no matter what you think in that sick brain you have.

  48. #547957
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:03 pm, iamsaved said:

    The perverse homosexual lifestyle has already proven consequences. The statistics bear it out. Aids comes to mind.

    Delusional? I think not.

  49. #547960
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:06 pm, Omu said:

    Can’t deal with the fact that not everyone agrees with you. Grow up.

    No, I can. I can deal with the right wing ethos. I can deal with fiscal conservatism. I can deal with the fact that people have differing opinons on guns. I can deal with trade disagreements. I can deal with foreign policy disagreements. I can deal with all of them.

    The point is that gay marriage isn’t and shouldn’t be about politics. Objecting to gay people being allowed the right to get married is not just another opinion, it’s bigotry and it’s causing so much needless suffering for gay men and women (many of whom are teenagers who will grow up knowing their society rejects them just for who they are). It’s not just a different opinion, I’m afraid. That the right has politicised this issue so much as to assume every gay person marching against Prop 8 is a “liberal” is grotesque. I think you do it just so you can distance yourselves from the reality of the horrible, horrible damage you are doing to gay people.

  50. #547961
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    My brother is HIV positive there isn’t anything redeeming about his current situation. He brought it all upon himself with the decisions he has made. Through it all though, he completely understands why people disagree with redefining marriage. Omu, I hope you enjoy the delusional idea that Christianity will die off. Good luck with that.

  51. #547962
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, ajmontana said:

    Emu should have his/she/it’s own Gayme show. Better do it befor all your fans die. lol…. Idiot.

  52. #547963
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, right4life said:

    . In fact, the people that founded this country went out of their way to enshrine the separation of church of state in the constition.

    uh moron, there is no separation of church and state in the constitution… :roll: duhhhhhhhhh

    you are a stupid piece of trash.

  53. #547964
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    It’s not just a different opinion, I’m afraid.

    Um yeah, it is. And your side lost 52 to 48.

  54. #547965
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:07 pm, Omu said:

    The perverse homosexual lifestyle has already proven consequences. The statistics bear it out. Aids comes to mind.

    Ah, okay. So we are going to use susceptibility to AIDS as a marker for morality. Doesn’t that make lesbians the most moral of us all?

  55. #547966
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:08 pm, purplepeep said:

    Omu said:

    Yeah! Grevillea is right! Laws like “Thou shalt not steal” and “Thou shalt not murder” are not appropiate!!! Why such bigotry towards Jesse James and Charles Manson?

    are you telling me that there were no laws against murder and theft before Christianity or even Judaism?

    So then, laddie, which ancient laws would you have replace the Judeo-Christian laws that America’s founders used as the basis to establish and govern our republic? The “Code Of Hammmurabi”, mayhap?

  56. #547967
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:09 pm, right4life said:

    Objecting to gay people pedophiles being allowed the right to get married is not just another opinion, it’s bigotry and it’s causing so much needless suffering for gay men and women pedophiles

    same logic.

  57. #547968
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:10 pm, Omu said:

    Omu, I hope you enjoy the delusional idea that Christianity will die off. Good luck with that.

    Eventually, it will. Eventually people are going to realise how utterly and completely ridiculous the whole thing is and eventually people will stop devoting their lives to something for which there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. It’s going to happen, eventually.

  58. #547970
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:10 pm, ajmontana said:

    knowing their society rejects them just for who they are).

    What a crock…. you have Civil Unions.
    Get over it! good grief.
    Society by a long shot does not reject them…. wake up and smell fresh air would ya.

  59. #547971
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:10 pm, corkie said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 6:54 pm, Omu said:

    No, that’s not why America is great. In fact, the people that founded this country went out of their way to enshrine the separation of church of state in the constition[sic].

    Not true at all. An amendment to (not the original document) the Constitution merely restricts Congress’ ability make a law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

    They hardly went out of their way to enshrine separation.

    It’s liberal judges that have used that phrase to overreach.

  60. #547972
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:11 pm, iamsaved said:

    Anyone who is sexually active is at risk for HIV. Yes, female-to-female transmission of HIV is possible and it has happened. Another gift to the world from all sexual sin.

  61. #547973
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:11 pm, corkie said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:10 pm, Omu said:

    Eventually people are going to realise how utterly and completely ridiculous the whole thing is and eventually people will stop devoting their lives to something for which there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. It’s going to happen, eventually.

    That’s what the Romans probably thought, too.

  62. #547974
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:11 pm, right4life said:

    This is why I think you’re delusional. There have been no negative consequences of gay marriage observed in ANY example of where it’s been legalised

    you’re the liar. Stanley Kurtz has documented this…

    So the real question raised by Badgett’s comparison is why Holland should be virtually the only traditionally low out-of-wedlock birthrate country in which couples have easy access to birth control where out-of-wedlock birthrates are now “soaring?” I’m grateful to Badgett for (inadvertently) drawing this additional factor to my attention. Rather than weakening my point, it greatly strengthens it. It is clearer than ever that something very unusual is happening in the Netherlands. Demographically, we have a kind of Dutch exceptionalism — and the key difference is that the Dutch added gay marriage to their precarious balance between socially liberal attitudes and traditional family practices. Gay marriage — not restricted contraception or the collapse of Communism — upset that balance, with the result that the out-of-wedlock birthrate began to zoom.

    link

  63. #547975
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:12 pm, right4life said:

    Eventually, it will. Eventually people are going to realise how utterly and completely ridiculous the whole thing is and eventually people will stop devoting their lives to something for which there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. It’s going to happen, eventually

    wackos like you have been saying that for MILLENIA…ain’t gonna happen sonny…cause the bible is TRUE..and all your lies can’t change that!!!

  64. #547976
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:13 pm, Oh-nO said:

    A dog while eat its own vomit and a pig will return to the mud. Omu doesn’t change.

  65. #547978
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:16 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    No, I can.

    No, you can’t. You are lashing out and every other word is either religious bigots or intolerant haters.

    I can deal with the right wing ethos. I can deal with fiscal conservatism. I can deal with the fact that people have differing opinons on guns. I can deal with trade disagreements. I can deal with foreign policy disagreements. I can deal with all of them.

    Well, that’s great but that’s not what we are talking about here. What we are discussing and what you seem to have difficulty understanding is that 52% of the American populace do not wish to redefine marriage. You’ve not once expressed an opinion on the topic other than an attack on religion in general, and Christians, in particular. You are free to throw a temper tantrum but don’t pretend that it is anything other than an emotional response.

    Objecting to gay people being allowed the right to get married is not just another opinion, it’s bigotry and it’s causing so much needless suffering for gay men and women (many of whom are teenagers who will grow up knowing their society rejects them just for who they are).

    On every thread you say that same thing. And the response is always that homosexuals can get married. They have the right to marry. Prop 8 was about redefining marriage and the people have spoken.

    It’s not just a different opinion, I’m afraid. That the right has politicised this issue so much as to assume every gay person marching against Prop 8 is a “liberal” is grotesque. I think you do it just so you can distance yourselves from the reality of the horrible, horrible damage you are doing to gay people.

    I would argue that HIV, AIDS, etc., are doing far worse damage. It’s interesting where the priorities lie.

  66. #547979
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:16 pm, corkie said:

    Omu,

    The point is that polygamy isn’t and shouldn’t be about politics. Objecting to polygamists being allowed the right to get married is not just another opinion, it’s bigotry and it’s causing so much needless suffering for male and female polygamists. It’s not just a different opinion, I’m afraid. You pretend that it’s too inconvenient to handle divorce and benefits. I think you do it just so you can distance yourselves from the reality of the horrible, horrible damage you are doing to polygamists.

  67. #547980
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:17 pm, cicerokid said:

    Emu said:”Ah, okay. So we are going to use susceptibility to AIDS as a marker for morality.”

    We are all susceptible to aids. Promiscuity (think gays, the most promiscuous group)can be used as a marker for morality, no? There’s the AIDS factor.

  68. #547981
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:18 pm, purplepeep said:

    30 pcs of silver said:
    My brother is HIV positive there isn’t anything redeeming about his current situation. He brought it all upon himself with the decisions he has made. Through it all though, he completely understands why people disagree with redefining marriage.

    Yup, 30P, when you’ve actually seen a few people waste away from the ravages of a deadly disease you realize there’s nothing very “gay” about the “gay” lifestyle at all.

    (That’s just one reason why the euphemistic term should always be bracketed in “mock quotes”.)

  69. #547982
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:19 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:10 pm, Omu said:

    Omu, I hope you enjoy the delusional idea that Christianity will die off. Good luck with that.

    Eventually, it will. Eventually people are going to realise how utterly and completely ridiculous the whole thing is and eventually people will stop devoting their lives to something for which there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. It’s going to happen, eventually.

    Funniest thing Omu the Bigot has said all day. Didn’t Voltaire say the Bible would be extinct in 100 years and within 50 years of his death his own house became a warehouse for Bibles of the Geneva Bible Society? And Voltaire died how many years ago now? :lol: You’re telling me God doesn’t have sense of humor? :lol:

  70. #547983
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:20 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:10 pm, Omu said:

    Omu, I hope you enjoy the delusional idea that Christianity will die off. Good luck with that.

    Eventually, it will. Eventually people are going to realise how utterly and completely ridiculous the whole thing is and eventually people will stop devoting their lives to something for which there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. It’s going to happen, eventually.

    That’s just sad right there. Good luck with that.

  71. #547985
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:21 pm, Omu said:

    you’re the liar. Stanley Kurtz has documented this…

    Eh, that’s the best you can do? Really? Out of wedlock birth has risen in Holland? This was happening before gay marriage. Once it was legalised, the trend just continued. There are rising out-of-wedlock birth rates here in Ireland – but we don’t have gay marriage. Hmm, maybe it something to do with the massive, irreversible social change that’s been happening the West since the 60s? Straight people are to blame for falling wedlock births, not gay people. Talk about a scapegoat…

    What a crock…. you have Civil Unions.

    Even if this were true (which it isn’t – gay people in every single red state and most blue states most assuredly do NOT have civil unions) it’s still not enough. It makes second class citizens of a group of people. It’s unacceptable.

  72. #547986
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:24 pm, purplepeep said:

    right4life said:

    “Objecting to gay people pedophiles being allowed the right to get married is not just another opinion, it’s bigotry and it’s causing so much needless suffering for gay men and women pedophiles”

    same logic.

    Yup, and you could go on and on, including all manner of other societal ills, since there’s any number of variations on that theme.

  73. #547987
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:24 pm, ajmontana said:

    Emu wah wah’ed
    Society rejects you…..

    I never heard such a whiney bunch of mamby pambys in my life, Society caters to you whimpy lil crybabies….
    Bigots, intolerance…. give me a flippin break.
    You want this to get ugly emu? keep up the carp and we can go into detail about your disgusting lifestyle….
    tell your buddies to clean up they’re Folsom BS, the White party during Easter in Palm Springs and maybe this great cause of yours will fly someday…. until then, good luck. poor confused lil Emu, sick lil puke.

  74. #547989
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:25 pm, Omu said:

    We are all susceptible to aids. Promiscuity (think gays, the most promiscuous group)can be used as a marker for morality, no? There’s the AIDS factor.

    Gay men are the most promiscuous because they are men, not because they are gay.

    Funniest thing Omu the Bigot has said all day. Didn’t Voltaire say the Bible would be extinct in 100 years and within 50 years of his death his own house became a warehouse for Bibles of the Geneva Bible Society? And Voltaire died how many years ago now? :lol: You’re telling me God doesn’t have sense of humor?

    Whatever. I dislike religion greatly – it is a mind shrinking fallacy and I find it somewhat tragic that so many people cannot be contented to see the world for what it really is. But I honestly don’t mind if you choose to believe in a God. Just don’t take it on the gays, okay?

  75. #547990
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:25 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    eventually people will stop devoting their lives to something for which there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

    I don’t know, Collectivism keeps hanging on…

  76. #547991
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:26 pm, purplepeep said:

    alaskangrizzly said:
    You’re telling me God doesn’t have sense of humor?

    You know the old joke:

    “God is dead” – Voltaire.

    “Voltaire is dead” – God.

  77. #547992
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:27 pm, right4life said:

    Eh, that’s the best you can do? Really? Out of wedlock birth has risen in Holland? This was happening before gay marriage. Once it was legalised, the trend just continued.

    and your documentation for what you say is???? where???

    we all know what out-of-wedlock births have done to the black community. gay marriage is the dissolution of marriage…more children without fathers…which is what the gays want…makes it easier to recruit.

    Hmm, maybe it something to do with the massive, irreversible social change that’s been happening the West since the 60s? Straight people are to blame for falling wedlock births, not gay people. Talk about a scapegoat…

    Kurtz, and dutch scholars he quotes, disagree with you…so where do you get off making this ASSertion???

  78. #547993
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:27 pm, SoCal said:

    Eventually people are going to realize how utterly and completely ridiculous the whole thing is and eventually people will stop devoting their lives to something for which there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. It’s going to happen, eventually

    Actually, while one would think so, evolution doesn’t support the smartest; it supports the ones that breed the most.

    Religious nuts are actually supporting this with their anti-abortion stand. This makes sense if you think about it. In order for religion to continue, they need the helpless, the stupid, the weak-minded, and the gullible. A self-fulfilling prophecy…

    “The meek shall inherit the earth”…and the wise will be but a memory…a memory quickly forgotten.

  79. #547995
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:28 pm, cicerokid said:

    alaskangrizzly said:
    “You’re telling me God doesn’t have sense of humor?”

    Ever see a platypus!!

  80. #547997
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:28 pm, Omu said:

    I never heard such a whiney bunch of mamby pambys in my life, Society caters to you whimpy lil crybabies….
    Bigots, intolerance…. give me a flippin break.
    You want this to get ugly emu? keep up the carp and we can go into detail about your disgusting lifestyle….
    tell your buddies to clean up they’re Folsom BS, the White party during Easter in Palm Springs and maybe this great cause of yours will fly someday…. until then, good luck. poor confused lil Emu, sick lil puke.

    Thank for backing up my point about how it’s all really about mindless biogtry, and nothing to do with the “sanctity of marriage” nonsense you so often trot out.

    As for Folsom and gay pride parades – sure, I agree, they should not be in public. They should be illegal. Do I think these public displays warrant stealing a fundamental right from an entire group of people? Nope, I don’t. You shouldn’t either. Oh yeah, and straight people do stuff like Folsom all the time. Ever seen Mardi Gras in New Orleans? Yeah, I rest my case.

  81. #547998
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:28 pm, FamilyMan said:

    Omu said:
    the people that founded this country went out of their way to enshrine the separation of church of state in the constiution.

    No they didn’t. They made sure the government wouldn’t establish a state religion.

    make sure gays are stripped of pre-existing rights, and to make sure no gay person can ever adopt a child

    Show me were those rights are. They don’t exist sport.

  82. #548000
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:29 pm, right4life said:

    I dislike religion greatly – it is a mind shrinking fallacy and I find it somewhat tragic that so many people cannot be contented to see the world for what it really is

    your mind is so shrunken there is only room for hatred. your secular religion is a lie. evolution is a dead end faith in your hairygod darwin.

    you prove the bible true with your delusions…the fool says in his heart there is no God…

  83. #548001
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:30 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:25 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Ha!

  84. #548002
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:30 pm, FamilyMan said:

    SoCal said:Religious nuts

    Mindless bigotry.

  85. #548004
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:31 pm, right4life said:

    Religious nuts are actually supporting this with their anti-abortion stand. This makes sense if you think about it. In order for religion to continue, they need the helpless, the stupid, the weak-minded, and the gullible. A self-fulfilling prophecy…

    you mean people like Wilberforce, kelvin, Isaac newton, Pasteur, von braun, CS Lewis :roll:

  86. #548005
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:31 pm, ajmontana said:

    Ever seen Mardi Gras in New Orleans? Yeah, I rest my case.

    Yep, filled with mostly freaks of nature like yourself.

  87. #548006
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:32 pm, corkie said:

    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:27 pm, SoCal said:

    In order for religion to continue, they need the helpless, the stupid, the weak-minded, and the gullible. A self-fulfilling prophecy…

    Are you making some baseless implication about non-religious people being smarter than religious people?

  88. #548007
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:32 pm, Omu said:

    your mind is so shrunken there is only room for hatred. your secular religion is a lie. evolution is a dead end faith in your hairygod darwin.

    you prove the bible true with your delusions…the fool says in his heart there is no God…

    Actually, evolution is an irrefutable fact. Sorry about that.

  89. #548008
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:33 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    it is a mind shrinking fallacy and I find it somewhat tragic that so many people cannot be contented to see the world for what it really is.

    Um Earth to Sherlock, I was an atheist for most of my adult life until 4 years ago. I was given the same education as you most likely through 12th grade, went on to serve in the military, got out and am now in medicine. My mind and mental capacity has in no way “shrunk” since understanding the truth, quite the contrary. You can deny your conscience and your soul you all want hollow man.

  90. #548010
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:34 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Actually, evolution is an irrefutable fact a theory. Sorry about that.

    Fixed it for you moron.

  91. #548011
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:34 pm, right4life said:

    Actually, evolution is an irrefutable fact. Sorry about that.

    *smirk* I knew you would say that. ok…then it should be easy to point to the proof of this either in field observation, or the lab.

    go ahead..make my day!! :P

    sorry, evolution is a secular fairy tale…tell me why the tuatara, which has the fastest rate of molecular ‘evolution’ ever seen, a living dinosaur??

    I won’t hold my breath for an answer… :P

  92. #548012
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:34 pm, JohnS said:

    These are the same people who called me a “breeder” when I’d walk hand in hand with my girlfriend in the Castro. You know..the real tolerant liberal types. One of the many reasons I moved to Oakland…I bet you don’t hear that line often!!

  93. #548013
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:34 pm, FamilyMan said:

    SoCal said: evolution doesn’t support the smartest; it supports the ones that breed the most.

    Your starting to sound like Joseph Mingler now.

  94. #548014
    On November 17th, 2008 at 7:35 pm, Mookie said:

    Popcorn anyone?

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