Anti-Prop. 8 Mob Watch: Christians in San Francisco’s Castro district
Watch gay activists hound Christians in San Francisco’s Castro district:
Even some left-wing blogs are starting to realize this is bad p.r. for their side.
From the YouTube user’s description of the confrontation, which got physical:
After just singing and worshiping God for a while, Roger decided that we should all hold hands in a circle and continue singing. So we did.
Someone (Actually a person who came up and hugged and kissed some of us who he knew from the past) convinced some people that we were there to protest against the no on 8 campaign.
Then some guy who was dressed up like one of the sisters (The sisters of perpetual indulgence is a group of men who dress up like nuns and call themselves the spiritual authority of the Castro.) took a curtain-type thing (Which I think they use to curse people) and wrapped it around us.
Then a crowd started gathering. We began to sing “Amazing Grace”, and basically sang that song the whole night. (At some points we also sang “Nothing but the Blood of Jesus” and “Oh the Blood of Jesus”.) At first, they just shouted at us, using crude, rude, and foul language and calling us names like “haters” and “bigots”. Since it was a long night, I can’t even begin to remember all of the things that were shouted and/or chanted at us. Then, they started throwing hot coffee, soda and alcohol on us and spitting (and maybe even peeing) on us. Then, a group of guys surrounded us with whistles, and blasted them inches away from our ears continually. Then, they started getting violent and started shoving us. At one point a man tried to steal one of our Bibles. Chrisdene noticed, so she walked up to him and said “Hey, that’s not yours, can you please give it back?”. He responded by hitting her on the head with the Bible, shoving her to the ground, and kicking her. I called the cops, and when they got there, they pulled her out of the circle and asked her if she wanted to press charges. She said “No, tell him I forgive him.”
Afterwards, she didn’t rejoin us in the circle, but she made friends with one of the people in the crowd, and really connected heart to heart. Roger got death threats. As the leader of our group, people looked him in the eyes and said “I am going to kill you.”, and they were serious. A cop heard one of them, and confronted him. (This part is kinda graphic, so you should skip the paragraph if you don’t want to be offended.) It wasn’t long before the violence turned to perversion. They were touching and grabbing me, and trying to shove things in my butt, and even trying to take off my pants – basically trying to molest me. I used one hand to hold my pants up, while I used the other arm to hold one of the girls. The guys huddled around all the girls, and protected them.
And here’s KTVU coverage of the incident.
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Good point Stan
Gay American Terrorists.
I think that’s the point here, vinny. I’ve said before that I don’t care what they do in the privacy of their own homes, in their own churches that approve of their behavior. But that doesn’t seem to be enough.
It’s the, “Christians have to accept us”, the “society has to castrate itself to ‘include’ us”, “the First Amendment doesn’t apply to you“, “we have a Constitutional right not to be offended” behavior – coupled with violence and intimidation and extortion – that we have a problem with.
lol… just like there was life before current life, there were gods before your “living” god, and, based on the continued breeding of the stupid, there will be more gods later.
You wackos are soooooo funny.. Ooga booga!
That is EXACTLY how I feel about religious nuts!!!!!!
SoCal
YOU REALLY NEED TO GROW UP.
One of these days someone is going to be injured or killed by these radical gays – and this story shows that they are more than willing to assault as well as intimidate. When that happens, the MSM will try to hide the story, but it will be in every home. The reason that civil rights for gays is resisted is that the overwhelming majority of people know that the practices of gays are abnormal and destructive or themselves and society.
EXACTLY!
yeah talking about rationality to socal is like talking about normalcy to norman bates
What, and be a non-questioning follower like you? Naw, got better things to do, like poke at you with a stick.. Ooga Booga!
Except when they do something you don’t like. Then you want to kill them.
SoCal, you should really shut up.
As we celebrate this week the murders and suicides of those radical christians from Jonestown, we remember how they killed their children and then themselves.. over 900 nuts. Religion is one scary hobby.
Yup. Wouldn’t it be nice if the Gay Community actually earned the stature they seek through their own actions, rather than trying to get the courts to force established institutions like marriage or the Boy Scouts to give it to them? Actions like the ones described here certainly aren’t making me feel like they should be rewarded.
A drop-in-the-bucket compared to the number of people murdered in the name of humanism, SoCal.
still waiting for you to disprove those scraps of parchment…or make any rational statment
Once again, against my better judgment:
SoCal, you are wasting your time. Some of the posters here simply just don’t understand what they are arguing about.
They swallow nonsense from “Expelled” the same way the ultra left swallows Michael Moore movies. In fact, it’s exactly the same. One must wonder if Nathan Frankowski admires Moore.
Seriously, anyone who argues straight-faced that we should be wading knee-deep in bones is beyond help. For the sake of the readers here: not all bones fossilize, in fact, the vast overwhelming majority don’t.
What is even more disturbing is that there is no reason why one cannot believe in a transcendent (not that I do) “god” who used evolution as a method.
Now to be fair, the behavior of the protesters in this article is deplorable and they should be arrested. Molesting and assaulting people (no matter how much you may think they are bigots) is no way to behave.
That would be fine if the government recognized their unions.
Huh? When was anyone ever murdered in the name of Humanism?
and yet we have a huge number of fossils…hmmmm..what could have caused so many fossils??? a flood perhaps??
since theistic evolution is as imaginary as evolution…sure why not?
When way anyone ever murdered in the name of Humanism.
Zeroangel: Do you really consider that a question? So far over 50 million babies have been aborted in this country – and that could only occur when secular humanist principles are applied. How about the hundreds of thousands of gays who have died as a result of AIDS and other venereal diseases – even when gay know that they are infected and go out and infect others.
It’s just sad. But scenes like this actually make me hope for sharia law. The protester talking crap about Christians and Mormons being bigots for not letting gays marry. I wonder how he would feel about the Muslims not allowing gays to LIVE. Of course they are OK.
I see within 10 years an area of sharia law that imposes a sentence on a Muslim gay. At that time, gays will go there and march. . . and there will likely be violence.
This is the problem with freedom. Freedoms overlap when you have different people. When does the freedom to worship God cross the line into bigotry? When gays lose a vote.
Who would be charged with a hate crime if a gay person protests with violence at a Mosque and is killed.
Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao…
Shall I Continue??
On November 18th, 2008 at 10:39 am, SoCal said:
One of these days someone is going to be injured or killed by these radical gays -
As we celebrate this week the murders and suicides of those radical christians from Jonestown, we remember how they killed their children and then themselves.. over 900 nuts. Religion is one scary hobby.
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The Westboro Baptist Church also chooses to call themselves “Christians”, but whether their teachings and tactics are truly in line with Christianity is up for SERIOUS debate. There would be “nuts” in this world with or without any kind of spirituality or religion.
Yes, it was a flood. All the geological evidence confirms your belief. Noah saved all the land dwelling animals on a wooden boat because god told him to. This was, of course, after the all-powerful, almighty god made the mistake of creating wicked people to begin with and decided to murder all of them except for Noah, his family, and a bunch of animals which he could have easily recreated after destroying them all.
No go back to whatever it is you do when you aren’t making the rest of the readers to MM stupid.
publiuswarmac9999:
Without getting into the “beginning of life” debate I will merely point out that 1) there are many humanists that are pro-life; and 2) I fail to see how anyone dying from a disease is murder as I also fail to see how a gay person knowingly infecting another human being with AIDS is “humanist.” It simply isn’t.
StanW:
Stalin: Communism
Pol Pot: agrarian collectivization
Hitler: Fascism
Mao: Communism
These people were no more Humanist than they were Taoists.
Does Stalin ring a bell. Don’t just respond by saying he was a Communist. You should know better.
uhhh.. I never said that.
Religion is one scary hobby.
Frostrt: I wonder if you have ever been to a Christian church or even understand Christian principles? There are plenty of instances throughout history where Christianity was perverted and led to bloodshed, but in the modern Christian world the emphasis is on love thy neighbor – but this does not require anyone to accept thy neighbor’s behavior.
Your ignornace of history is noted, Zero. Thanks for playing.
Dude, take your meds.
The First Amendment protects our right to worship and be as nutty as we please.
The Constitution does not prohibit or limit our behavior to our churches or homes.
It is you, uhninged liberals, who come into our churches, our homes, and our lives attempting to eradicate our beliefs and make them punishable as “hate crimes.”
SoCal
Your right. YOU’VE NEVER SAID ANYTHING.
you’re way ahead of me..in the stupid category..as you have repeatedly demonstrated.
so tell me, how do fossils form?
oh and tell me how the tuatara, which has the fastest molecular ‘evolution’ is a living dinosaur??
Familyman:
Stalin was not a Humanist. Period. You might make the case that he was an atheist, but then you’d have to argue that it was his atheism (and not the fact that he was a power hungry lunatic) that led him to do what he did.
StanW:
Please cite any source that describes any of the aforementioned individuals as Humanists.
don’t forget:
history
science
religion
politics
logic
Yes, I do think that humans would be MUCH better off without religious people around, but I don’t have to kill you. I will just sit back and watch as you worldwide religious nuts finish each in the name of allah or jesus or buddha or whatever serves for the weak-minded in other countries…
right4life:
Look it up yourself. I have tried to educate you before. You don’t want to learn. I am sorry.
THE TROLLS ARE SWARMING. THIS SUBJECT REALLY PULLS THEIR CHAIN.
FEELING THREATENED ARE YOU BOYS?
On November 18th, 2008 at 11:07 am, publiuswarmac9999 said:
Religion is one scary hobby.
Frostrt: I wonder if you have ever been to a Christian church or even understand Christian principles? There are plenty of instances throughout history where Christianity was perverted and led to bloodshed, but in the modern Christian world the emphasis is on love thy neighbor – but this does not require anyone to accept thy neighbor’s behavior.
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Actually, the “religion is one scary hobby” quote came from our friend SoCal. I copied it and responded with the paragraph below the line.
I am, in fact, a churchgoer and agree with what you said. I get rather tired of people who blame Christianity in and of itself for the actions of individuals or groups of people who choose to pervert it in a world where people and circumstances will never be perfect.
Oh, I think you are allowed to be as nutty as you want, and I have freedom of speech to tell you that you are as nutty as you please.
The secular humanist philosophy is anti-God and pro-socialist. It is devoid of morality because it inherently believes that human beings are nothing but a product of star stuff not God stuff. You say that lots of secular humanists are pro-life, and I would say why? Secular humanism is the engine of euthanasia and abortion. And, as was pointed out previously, since there is a very strong connection between secular humanism and socialism, individuals like Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Castro have murder 100s of millions of people to advance a secular agenda.
zeroangel said: have tried to
educateindoctrinate you before.There fixed it for ya sport
Yesterday, you said if anyone voted in a way that affected your marriage to your wife, you would kill them.
So were you lying then, or are you lying now?
publiuswarmac9999:
I am sorry, but you don’t understand secular humanism. I would invite you to attend a meeting. I will openly admit many secular humanists are very liberal. I attribute this to the idea that conservative atheists (like myself) are usually more apt to just avoid the religion discussion altogether. As a result, I find myself arguing why the “Humanist” thing to do would be to follow fiscally conservative principles and a strong foreign policy (among other things) at meetings.
I regularly find Humanists that agree with me.
FamilyMan:
Remind me, do you also think evolution is untrue?
Grew up in the church.. Sunday school and all. Mother was religious, but not nutty, didn’t try to force her views on others like you all, and I have a sibling that is a minister in a church.
But the moron glasses fell off of my eyes at about the age of 15. I asked the minister of the church what had happened to the Jews killed by Hitler. When he said they were burning in hell because they didn’t follow jesus, I realized at that point that the competing factions of primitive beliefs are all just sad people desperately wanting to believe that THEY know the truth.
I said if you tried to end my marriage to my wife, I would kill you. I didn’t say that I wanted to kill religious nuts.
Get your moronic comments straight.
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Therefore, in the areas of origins, being and eschatology (man’s ultimate future), secular humanism really has nothing to offer except extinction into the cosmic void. Secular humanists rarely admit to such when discussing ultimate concerns (with the exception of Bertrand Russell). The Humanist Manifesto II, published in 1973, does make an attempt at future meaning for man when it speaks of man living on through children and culture. But this living on cannot last beyond a supernova; it cannot go beyond the death of the universe. Secular humanists are ignoring the inevitable by focusing on the immediate future instead of the distant, eternal future. If, in the end, everyone who ever lived ceases forever to exist, then life is meaningless. The eternal nonconsciousness of the future renders everything that happened on earth totally meaningless, because if man’s soul does not live on it will be as if no one ever even existed. The cosmic void of nothingness (nonconsciousness) in the future meets the cosmic void of the past. This is the logical implication of secular humanism. Are you beginning to understand why children brought up under this worldview are willing to commit murder over a pair of tennis shoes or a gold chain? Do you understand how Stalin could murder 20 million people with less feeling than one has when swatting a fly? Are you beginning to see how secular humanism leads to eugenics, abortion, euthanasia, labour camps and genocide?
Humanist
Speaking of Morronic statements.
On November 18th, 2008 at 11:21 am, zeroangel said:
I get rather tired of people who blame Christianity Humanism in and of itself for the actions of individuals or groups of people who choose to pervert it in a world where people and circumstances will never be perfect.
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I personally never blamed humanism. I think there are many decent people who have led good lives who do not happen to believe in any God or religion. For me, the path to salvation and peace has been Christianity. For others, it may simply be secular altruism, which is still a good thing. Whatever drives you to continue improving yourself and trying to make life better for others. Yes, I do also support spreading the Word peacefully, but not bullying and DEFINITELY not violence.
Yeah, well, unfortunately, the numbers tell a different story. Those hostile to religion killed 100 million in the 20th century alone. Including the Crusades, that’s more than any of the religions combined.
What you said was that if we tried to end your marriage to your wie like the people that oppose gay marriage did in California that you would kill them.
Typical of you and your ilk SoCal.
Humanist are those who have looked at life and stopped their search when their mental capacities come to an end. You poor boys need to go further into it yourselves.
On November 18th, 2008 at 11:24 am, SoCal said:
I am, in fact, a churchgoer and agree with what you said. I get rather tired of people who blame Christianity some gays in and of itself for the actions of individuals or groups of people who choose to pervert it
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Actually, I never said all gays should be blamed for what the ones involved in this incident did; only that the ones guilty of assault/attempted rape should be prosecuted. Do you disagree with that?
Do you advocate denying others their right to worship in peace?
What if people who didn’t vote for Obama had “taken it to the streets” in this way, assaulting people, invading their homes, etc? Would you be so understanding of THEM?
how can the uneducated educate those who are already educated??
but of course YOU know the truth!
and what is that? and what did happen to those jews?
P.S. to SoCal:
The fact is, however, that those who commit violence, whether it’s about gay rights, animal rights, whatever their issue is, do not help their cause. That is why I am especially disgusted with people who harm others “in the name of” their religion.
For me it was probably around the time I realized that science and religion didn’t mesh well. To my pastor’s credit, he was one of those that described the biblical stories as allegorical.
StanW:
Oh for goodness sake! Cite a historian that can reasonably make the claim that Stalin was a Humanist. Citing just another person that agrees with you is just plain silly. Why not just cite another poster here?
Who is this Brian Schwertley anyway? He appears to be a preacher not a historian.
Stalin was NOT a Humanist, he never described himself as a Humanist, ever.
Englishqueen:
So what? So does that mean if a Muslim wacko gets ahold of a few nuclear weapons and blows up the eastern seaboard I can claim (if I am still around) that religions killed more people?
FamilyMan
Is that meant as an insult? What if I told you becoming a Humanist was one of the most satisfying and important things I have ever done. What if I told you it has helped me immensely in my life, to include quitting smoking and having a greater appreciation for the simple fact that I wake up every day?
Thank you.
On November 18th, 2008 at 11:36 am, zeroangel said:
I personally never blamed humanism. I think there are many decent people who have led good lives who do not happen to believe in any God or religion.
Thank you.
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Welcome.
of or pertaining to a philosophy asserting human dignity and
man’s capacity for fulfillment through reason and
scientific method and often rejecting religion; “the
humanist belief in continuous emergent evolution”- Wendell
Thomas
stalin was a humanist. get a clue.
Great. Now go further. I’ve been where you are. It’s a long road.
Marxist Humanism would have been a more descriptive statement than Humanism, and Communism would have fit precisely. However, we all knew Stan and others meant. Parsing words is a game you like to play.
AND NOW back to the topic…
FamilyMan:
I am sorry, no, you go further. I have been down your road. I was raised Christian, saw that biblical stories didn’t mesh with facts. I then became an atheist. I later discovered the idea of a “transcendent God” and the concept of a “moral authority.” I then embraced a form of Deism sprinkled with Christian tradition. I later realized this too was a fallacy and became a Humanist.
So, good luck, it’s a long road.
Excuse me, did you not ask for ANY source? There are plenty out there, Zero. I just grabbed the first I found.
Tell you what, since you are such a pissy little girl that you don’t like to get what you ask for, why don’t you go out and do your own research. It would obviously be a waste of time to provide you with any supporting link, just so you can stick your fingers in your ears and say “Na-Aah!”
happy2behere:
Yes, and twisting and contorting facts just to blame “godless” people for all the world’s woes is one many here seem to like to play.
I am a decent, upstanding American that served our nation in war and I will not stand for the slander that goes on here.
then you shouldn’t post.
Hah! Oy vey.
he already knows EVERYTHING…he doesn’t need to do no stinkin research!!
Yeah I know, the zealots get too nasty here sometimes, but you’ve got to admit that you came on here throwing darts at evolution. What did you expect?
zeroangel
Who said I was a Christian?
I’ve been all those places. There’s much more.
I like poke at wackos with a stick.. Ooga Booga!
I defame their hairygod darwin, and watch them sputter and spit..as they vainly try to defend their faith!
happy2behere:
I was throwing darts at Creationism. I accept the Theory of Evolution through natural selection.
But, yes, you are right. I should have expected to get swarmed by nasty zealots. Thank you for recognizing that.
FamilyMan:
I have read just about every religious text one can imagine. I have delved into eastern and western alike. What makes you think your position is anymore valid then mine? No one can know the ultimate answers (by their very nature), I just happen to think the belief in a creator being is unfulfilling.
Right4life:
Darwin was ugly and I’ll bet Jesus could make a better wooden patio.
Looks like Zero got his widdle fweelings hurt and is now going to cry.
Grow some thicker skin.
StanW:
Seriously dude. If this is your idea of an insult I can’t help you. I have had people try to kill me in my life. Do you really think you calling me a girl annoys me? I find it funny.
The fact is, posters here will scream any cry when they perceive Christianity as being disgraced. However, they will be quick to insult or defame any of the “godless” no matter how decent those people may be.
Angry religious people sitting alone in front of a computer complaining about gay people… what peace they have found in jesus.
He made a better religion too
On November 18th, 2008 at 11:58 am, zeroangel said:
Darwin was ugly and I’ll bet Jesus could make a better wooden patio.
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Even I must admit: HAR!
And yes, I’ll bet He COULD have, before the whole Messiah (according to my belief) thing kicked in.
right4life:
Only cause Darwin wan’t trying. Heh.
How do you know? Humanist believe in reason, ethics, and justice. Where do those ideas come from?
FamilyMan:
The short answer is history, an evolved mind, and society. The long answers are rather abstract but for me, saying “God” doesn’t do it.
On November 18th, 2008 at 12:06 pm, SoCal said:
Angry religious people sitting alone in front of a computer complaining about gay people… what peace they have found in jesus.
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You don’t exactly seem to have cornered the market on inner peace yourself.
And you’ve obviously been sitting in front of a computer. Get over your own anger at anyone who believes in anything you don’t.
you darwnists are a gullible lot.
right4life:
*one eyebrow raise*
anyone who believes in evolution is gullible, and easily led. oh yes all your pretentions of rationality are a joke.
you evolutionists are SOOO pompous, but your hairygod has no clothes.
Probably annoys you because it proves we’re not afraid of technology – just the immoral application thereof.
I’ve found peace enough in Jesus to know when and how and why to fight to defend my faith ant His Church.
The short answer is correct. The longer question is the next step.
FamilyMan:
Yes, good luck on your journey.
Are you giving up on growing? THERE IS SO MUCH MORE OUT THERE inside you.
FamilyMan:
Are you giving up on growing? There is so much out there in the natural world!
Look, I am basically reiterating everything you say to make a point to you. I am not sure you are getting it.
zeroangel
Reason allows you to observe that you are a totality of all that is. You must then ask yourself who is observing this about myself. The answer is the observer is the observed. You are a totality of all the good and bad in the world because your are all that came before you. At that point you will say ‘WHAT THE HELL IS THE POINT”. If you’re very serious and quiet inside, you will find by simply observing that there is much much more beyond reason.
zeroangel
Science is dogma
Religion is dogma
Humanism is dogma
Atheism is dogma
You can not find the infinite with the finite.
FamilyMan:
You seem to be talking about dualism. I am sorry, but there is no evidence for the “Homunculus.” Our “minds” can simply be a function of our biological “brains.” No ghost in the machine, just the machine. Not that that is any less incredible, in fact, I think it is more so.
In any case; if you are serious and quiet inside you will see that there is much, much more to reason and the natural world.
They were killed by Christians…
FamilyMan:
That sounds positively Zen. Nicely done, it still doesn’t constitute evidence for the supernatural (an oxymoron in itlsef).
where’s your link?? you mean people like John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Wayne Williams, Arthur Gary Bishop, David Edward Maust
How do you know unless you try? Evidence is for dogmatic people. Go beyond reason.
oh thats a good one. so you find the theory of eugenics in christianity huh?? ever hear of the pink swastika??? people like Ernst Rohm??? think again who those murderes were.
have you even graduated high school???
FamilyMan:
Honestly, you are seriously starting to sound like the new-age types that generally get laughed out of Humanist meetings.
I have “gone beyond reason” and found it unfulfilling. Natural explanations are much more fulfilling for me personally. If you want to believe in the supernatural and it works for you, good for you! I don’t and it doesn’t. That doesn’t make me a bad person nor does it make me anymore dogmatic than you.
SoCal:
The operative phrases in your citations are “was” and “were.”
Men – in the name of Catholicism, Protestantism, and most New Testament Christian sects – committed their crimes in violation of the teachings of said Christianity.
They left the faith, or used a twisted, perverse interpretatio of it, in an attempt to justify their means.
Hitler was no more a Catholic when he came to power than I am the next Pope.
You are the one looking. If you’re very serious and quiet inside, you will find by simply observing, without the you, that there is much much more beyond reason.
It’s is obvious you have not.